Attack of the "Merit" Sergeant
It's bad enough the Department promotes the unqualified via a corrupt "merit" process where the only "merit" is being related via marriage to a former First Deputy.
But then to put the "merit" pick into a busy District to fuck with people doing an already difficult job is unforgivable.
And to have the "merit" pick be completely wrong in her actions is downright criminal:
But then to put the "merit" pick into a busy District to fuck with people doing an already difficult job is unforgivable.
And to have the "merit" pick be completely wrong in her actions is downright criminal:
- Newly promoted Sgt. [SP] is now in 011, on 1st watch and what she is doing is trying to jam guys up that are doing traffic stops.
During traffic stop if she sees that you have occupants out of the vehicle and searching the car she will step out of her car, turn her camera on and walk up to you. Then she says, while recording in the middle of you conducting the stop, in front of everyone: why do you have the occupants out of the vehicle and why are you searching the car? You have no right to do so. Claiming that what we are doing is illegal and against consent decree. Not knowing any facts what led to the stop and what led to the search in the first place. Then saying that she will have to get a CR pulled on the officers for violating the rules.
This started happening within a 1st week of her being in 011. All of this can be verified as it was also recorded by officers BWC.
Someone might want to send Dana Stark's sister-in-law a copy of the Consent Decree. None of what she is claiming appears anywhere in the document. And also a Training Bulletin referencing Pennsylvania v Mimms and Maryland v Wilson where officers can legally order every single occupant out of the car.
Then midnights in 011 might want to look into a Hostile Work Environment EEOC complaint and name the Commander as condoning this behavior. After all, he asked for her to be assigned to 011 as a favor to Dana.
Then midnights in 011 might want to look into a Hostile Work Environment EEOC complaint and name the Commander as condoning this behavior. After all, he asked for her to be assigned to 011 as a favor to Dana.
Labels: un-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
126 Comments:
This is reason number 452 of 500 reasons not to stop anyone. Who cares what they do in 011? Go home safely and get your pension
More CPD bs... who knows, she might be on the payroll of the lawyers who will sue you— like those 2 dumb cops were with the car insurance crap if anyone remember it happened about 1 year ago
Traffic stops? In 011? On midnights?
WTF is wrong with you people.
We need a Merit Sgt. to supervise stops?
Time to burn. Not a very sharp knife. Time to burn.
No Problem: "To be clear, and with you presumably having not reviewed the circumstances of this stop, you are ordering me at this point to release these persons? So ordered and complied."
If the boss tells you to let them loose, and wants to get it on tape, let it be so and let them own the actions of the offender after that person kills an innocent child. You were simply following orders.
Man, she's a real shit dumper prize
Maybe she’s doing the Officers of 011 a favor and simply reminding them as to why are they doing proactive work in the first place? Just saying.
Sounds like she's trying to get moved elsewhere.
Pennsylvania v. Mimms, 434 U.S. 106 (1977)
oh great another moron supervisor in 011 just to add a little spice to the fixed post shit soup that we have here
Fuck you Dana
Unfucking believable! She has no clue about law and procedure. Police officers absolutely can order everyone out of the car. We learned this in the first few weeks in the academy. Apparently she didn’t and also never did any police work either. She has no business being a supervisor. Maybe her first concern should be officer safety and watching their backs. The bosses need to sit her down. What the heck happened to 011????
Times are changing! Keep working hard!
"Then saying that she will have to get a CR pulled on the officers for violating the rules. "
Get one on her for incompetence and failure to promote the goals and desires of the Department. The US Supreme Court held officers can get occupants out of the car for any reason or no reason, it is not a search or a seizure.
I would pull the case in LeixusNexus but its not worth the fee.
Childish...
Dangerous...
Evil...
Foolish...
Hateful...
Ignorant...
A scared child with chevrons trying to
make a splash and get noticed...
"HAH! Y'all has been SUPERVISED by ME
and don't you forget it!"
No worries... 011 will always be 011 so she'll get caught
by Dude Inc. looking the wrong way one day...
Heh...
And she's very busily making enemies of the very people
who'll be prying her stupid, sad, sore and sorry ass
out of Dude's jaws...
Typical... No insight or self-reflection whatsoever.
Her sponsors should have her face a wall and self-criticize.
Or maybe her sponsor(s) haven't had "The Talk" with her about
fucking with/trying to jackpot Policemen in a place like 011.
When stinkin' thinkin' causes your mouth
to overdraw your ass.
011 is a place where stupid can hurt really bad...
She WILL fuck up...
Look at her.
Point & Laugh at her.
Leave her.
She’s most likely doing it on purpose to get launched into a better spot.
You guys are fools if you make a decision on any job without caller her to your scene, making her make all the decisions. Then document it appropriately.
What is the problem here.Everything that she stated to the Officers is false so advise her on Body Worn Camera and all other cameras that she should obtain whatever CR number,or generate whatever SPAR that she believes is appropriate and inform her that it is not necessary to inform the Officers that she is doing so.The process will go forward and all of the Officers can answer the false claims and when presented with the allegations.Clarify during the Stop and subsequent field interviews that the Sergeant is creating an Officer Safety issue and any further discussion should be done with the Watch Lieutenant present in the District Station.
Best choice for merit from 015. MMM HMMM! MP TV & CH have been promised forever, and this is the best we could do???
Careful 011 Dist personnel, a stupid sergeant is a dangerous sergeant.
Any coppers pulling shitheads out of cars are soft as shit themselves.
Respond to jobs in a timely manner. Make paper... DONE.
It’s Pennsylvania v. Mimms for the driver.
It’s Maryland v. Wilson for passengers.
After reading this post, I’m glad I work in the suburbs.
This broad was clue less on days. She would never back anyone up so I was glad when they put her in the schools. Beware, beware. Someone clueless will always jam you. Look for other sgts to put her in place. Clueless Sharon.
MERIT IS THE gROOT OF ALL EVIL!!! I would love of one of the brilliant minded scholars in the mayors office or in the consent decree to take a serious look at merit. They are smarter then all of us, so maybe they explain 2 things:
1.) How is it that relatives of gold stars (and mistresses) just happen to be so much more qualified then every other person in the department for a merit pick?
2.) How is that almost every scandal and/or major lawsuit in recent history has involved a merit pick?
Sounds like a total wack job who couldn't find a bag of dope at a pink floyd concert.
Newly promoted Sgt. [SP] is now in 011, on 1st watch and what she is doing is trying to jam guys up that are doing traffic stops.
Why would anyone on god's green earth be doing traffic stops in 011? She's doing you a favor, stay fetal for the next 29 years...
Definite hostile work environment.
Hey, they have a female Sgt in 015 who changed her name to that of a cop killer.
What else would you expect of a merit Sgt?
1st problem is... "You're stopping someone"...
Your 2nd problem ??? refer to your 1st problem .
Here’s an idea... no traffic stops . Period. Don’t do anything except the bare minimum.
The sad part is idiots like this never get hurt themselves. They just put others in position to get hurt. Hopefully she'll just fake IOD and be a worthless sack of shit at home, instead of the worthless sack of shit she is now at work. When you experience working with her firsthand, you'll know I'm not being too harsh.
What's so hard about not doing anything? Seriously, fuck these people. If they don't want you stopping people, comply with their wishes and knock it off. If they're going to pay you for nothing, take that money.
I was looking at the CPD website on gun offenses. It's amazing the number of AGG UUWs that were preceded with rolling a stop sign/light or some other relatively-minor infraction. In non-Bizarro World, this is the broken windows thing. Bad guys breaking big laws usually can't be bothered with the small laws either. And then you have bags of shit like this, who are hot to protect the bad guys, at the expense of everyone else. I'm sorry to say, I think this is what the people of Chicago have asked for. I guess, let them have it.
If true and the officers are in the right, shame on them for not getting a CR on her.
If you aren’t taking notes on the what these imbeciles are saying, doing, ordering you should start.
Can you imagine, if the media wasn't so corrupt, that a reporter could FOIA the incident and then ask why a person, who doesn't know the law, gets a meritorious spot, what heroic acts did she commit to become a merit supervisor.
12/59Am
Just rearrange those words for the homeless attack on a
Thai restaurant patron off Hollywood Blvd. Makes sense,
right? Why go to all that work?
Not a cop but 011 is a shithole. Why do anything at all?
The community obviously doesn't want you there, so don't do anything and just let the implosion of the neighborhood accelerate.
Michigan Vs Long. As you can articulate why you believe there are weapons in the vehicle, you can do a pat down of the passenger compartment that is accessible to the occupants. The safety of the officers outweighs the mild inconvenience of the passengers. So tell her to go pound sand.
She is just trying to make a mess so she can get off the street. Don't fall for it.
Not to mention that her actions during that traffic stop put the Officers in danger by inciting a distraction that could’ve given the stopped subjects the upper hand if they were planning something.
Anonymous said...
It’s Pennsylvania v. Mimms for the driver.
It’s Maryland v. Wilson for passengers.
After reading this post, I’m glad I work in the suburbs.
11/30/2019 01:19:00 AM
I bet you are. But working in the suburbs can also be a minor hell. I have had friends who were in the burbs and they did not have great conditions, and being so small they had no place to run or hide. Things change.Be safe out there as no place is safe these days.
She has to get her 30 days in at 011 before the promotion to gold star. Isn't that how it works? So the dept can claim that the gold stars worked in a busy district?
Traffic stop in 011? And they stopped? Go to calls, drop paper, rinse and repeat.
Do nothing proactive.
Whoa! Where is FOP on this? So she is now a Social Justice Warrior representing BLM and no longer police?
29 and a day said...
This is reason number 452 of 500 reasons not to stop anyone. Who cares what they do in 011? Go home safely and get your pension
11/30/2019 12:07:00 AM
I can say with a 100% degree of confidence, that nothing you do in 011 will ever make one slight bite of difference. You might get some slight degree of thrill and great personal satisfaction with taking some of these shitheads off of the street, but there will always be more to replace them. I came on the job in 1968 and spent most of my career on the West side . Now reading this blog and watching the news, I can also see that it is just as bad now as it was then, with one exception; we had better bosses back then. You have only aholes now, a holes that will not back you up even if you are doing a good job. These merit clowns will burn you if they can. The anxiety and stress is not worth it. Give these progressives what they want. Just answer the calls, call for a sergeant for every job and let them make the decision. Don's chase anyone, don't make traffic stops, don't enforce quality of life issues like drinking on the street or urinating on the street, don't ask to work tact. The days of pro active policing is dead. I live in the burbs now and you don't see much of this going on out here. The cops don't even patrol the street, they just answer their calls and make DUI and traffic stops at night on the major streets. They surely don't chase anyone and out here in palos the thugs break into cars nightly.
In this scenario, the BWC is your friend. Make sure the camera is on whenever you talk to her on the street. Hopefully, some one will talk to her about this dangerous behavior during a traffic stop.
Dana Starks,, now that is a name from the past. He sure was one incompetent clouted individual and an example of everything that has been wrong with CPD.
The Supreme Court ruled that officer safety is more important than dudes feelings. Having dude get out of his car is only an inconvenience.
Funny reading peoples legal analysis. They shouldnt be stopping anyone to begin with. 2 year wonders trying to get the stupid tact spot? Let us know how that works out.
Why are they still conducting TS and why in the hell would they be searching the car ????? I don’t want to hear about how some guys still want to work blah blah blah !!!!
Speaking of 011 midnight merit sgts. There was another one that came in the first night, crying that he was on midnights. The next day hit the medical
This Department has turned into a Third World shit hole where the Dictator puts all his incompetent and unqualified family and friends in positions of power. The Dictator then hires even more incompetent and unqualified relatives of his family and friends to fill the empty spots because competent and qualified people don't want anything to do with the Third World BS. All to the detriment of the competent, qualified, and hard working men and women who want to do a good job, but can't because of the Third World leadership.
A 'woke' merit hack. She'll fix it.
I have a serious question. As an outsider, and as recently retired cop (Masachuetts), I am curious to know if any of the so called "merit" promotions have ever turned out to be okay?
What if you feel the 3 heads in the car jeopardize your safety?
One clueless merit wants activity and other one impedes it.
Y’all taking the yin outta the yang.
Just love it when merit house mice hit the street for a few weeks full of piss, vinegar and general orders...especially Lt and above.
Newb Sgts somehow find that religion even more because they’re soooooo out of touch from street life and the unrelenting radio. Just making a little noise. They all do it. No way in hell she’ll be a lifer there, probably gone by Spring.
Too bad they don’t rotate Sgts. every 4 months so they can get a better taste of citywide action, at least for their first 2 years.
Be Safe - GIVE THEM NOTHING.
Traffic Stops, Street stops, racing and chasing bs assignments is not 21st Century policing.
You no longer have any protections, no matter what, how or where violence prone feral react to your limited authority.
Every District and especially 011 should be nothing more than a door-to-door GOCR assembly line.
Dana Starks - Second City Cop
January 31, 2008
"Starks proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that
Headquarters is still overstaffed beyond belief."
Charlie, you got some homework reading assignments
to do wheather you like it or not. This is The Matrix, my
friend. You really can't trust those closest to you. And you
just can't ignore the problem. Endemic corruption.
New sheriff in town. #BeTheChange
Song goes; Baby It's cold outside, doesn't it, don't give them anything to hang their hat on, save yourself someone is waiting at home for you even if it's only your pet.
I refuse to believe this Sgt. SP is that incompetent because if He/She is that puts the cherry on top of the scoop! I would hope this Sergeant along with the recently promoted would have basic knowledge of case laws.
Sgt if you have any questions about this traffic stop, you can refer to our body cams and the appropriate reports affiliated with this traffic stop. Further more GTFOH, Sgt.
Rinse and repeat.
Run her around the district and record her incompetence. She is a federal lawsuit in the making.
Better question is who made her a merit Sgt and can the media or someone FOIA her merit packet? We’d all love to read the reasons and qualifications for promoting her when she didn’t test well enough to make it.
So her qualifications are that she’s related to a big boss? Typical CPD way. Joke
This is what you get with diversity Merit promotions. Ignorant arrogant tools. Or maybe just plain stupid tools that do good work on their knees or on their backs.
Don't worry, her supervisory skills will get her rewarded with a position in CAPS or district commanders office. That's how incompetence is addressed in CPD.
Any officer who finds themselves in this situation, should not confront this supervisor and report it via to-from report to the WC and demand a CR number be obtained.
This is the watch Lt's duty to step up here and have some balls or guts whatever gender they may be and tell her to knock it off. If anyone then gives the Lt a hard time let the Lt. get a hostile work environment complaint due to the fact that the Lt was doing their job but was stymied because of the Sgt's clout. Two can play this stupid game. This should abosultely not be allowed no matter what district you work in. The PO's already have a tough enough job there to not have to even think about this kind of crap from a no-nothing sergeant. That being said the PO's still must be respectful of her rank and let the LT handle it.
The most amazing part of this whole thing is that she is on the street and actually getting out of her car. She was, is, and always will be a worthless lazy piece of shit. She shows with crystal clarity how incredibly fucked up the merit process is. She is an imbecile.
Going back to the last merit list I surmise it is Sharon Price. Allegedly
LOL Sharon Price!!!
Her Academy Classmates All Signed off on a To- From
Addressed to CPD Academy Commander Wayne Wiberg to Have Sharon Price “DOR”/Terminated
She Couldn’t Shoot/Range,
Pass Fitness Test, Handcuffing or any Gym/Red Man Gear excercise
As well as the Driving School
& most of all the city & State Academy Curriculum.
But Because She was Dana Starks Sister In-Law, The Coward Wiberg wouldn’t honor their request!!
Dana Starks=Phony, Merit Hack & Sharon Price= Phony Merit Hack They are Both a Disgrace To CPD &
Keep in mind, the Supreme Court decisions only give the broadest legal authority- authority which a department can, by policy, deny and discipline for. The driver can't sue you but you can still get screwed. Keep that in mind when you're pulling over shady cars and ordering everyone out hoping that someone will drop a baggie. Is that worth having some idiot supervisor twist your nuts around because she can?
Pathetic that this sergeant, who was obviously such a great and knowledgeable copper that she was promoted simply on her merit, doesn’t know simple case law. “Why do you have the occupants out of the vehicle?” Because I want to, that’s why. I don’t need a reason. My reason is fuck you that’s my reason. And it’s legal. She was a fucking mope when she worked days in 011. I couldn’t believe it when I saw this useless know nothing with a white shirt. Better off getting some kid with 2 years on the job if you have a question, because this sergeant price won’t have any answers for you. Coppers, if you’re going to be making stops, know the law and don’t let her intimidate you. Throw it right in her face because she clearly doesn’t know the law. She won’t know what to say when you give her case law as to why everything is legal. She has no response because there is none. Sergeant sherry price, what a joke this department is.
The funny part is she is not alone on 1st watch. Another merit sgt there thinks taking people out of cars is illegal.
Set her ass straight. Iam a former 11 dist Sgt.retired let her get a Cr# than turn they tables on her.
Merit = qualified to be unqualified
That girl has been, and will continue to be, one of the dumbest people on this job.
She's one that never should've made it out of the academy. From day one she constantly got her whole class in trouble and made everyone else "pay" because of her sense of entitlement. She almost failed the range but blamed it on racist instructors.
In 015 she worked a school car from almost day one and got butt hurt when Babs dumped her from the school. You can count her years of actual street experience on one hand.
It's a damn shame that Cato wasted a merit pick on this clueless excuse for a police officer.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Michigan Vs Long. As you can articulate why you believe there are weapons in the vehicle, you can do a pat down of the passenger compartment that is accessible to the occupants. The safety of the officers outweighs the mild inconvenience of the passengers. So tell her to go pound sand.
Don’t agree with her, but you left out an important part of the supreme courts decision, the last two words, reasonable suspicion. Isn’t that what she complaining about? Why are you stopping the car? Since the consent decree things have changed and are being looked at closer for the reason for the original stop.
Michigan v. Long, 463 U.S. 1032 (1983), was a decision by the United States Supreme Court that extended Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968) to allow searches of car compartments during a stop with reasonable suspicion.
Making waves to get a better spot. The incompetant get promoted ,then use their incompetance to get the soft cushy do nothing supervisor position. Its the CHGO way, no wonder crime is out of control.
Merit (can’t pass a test) / test cheaters ........ CPD leadership is pathetic. So is this forced diversity practice.
Please tell me the other 011 midnight sgt who hit the medical is BP ????????
Anonymous said...
What if you feel the 3 heads in the car jeopardize your safety?
11/30/2019 10:56:00 AM
You predicting the future due to the fact that .....
A lot of people can hurt you out there, call for another car, 3 of them 6 of us, based on training experience and circumstances and your observations if you can clearly articulate by all means get them out the choose wisely who’s getting patted down, it’s no longer rule everybody gets tossed anymore.
The funny part is she is not alone on 1st watch. Another merit sgt there thinks taking people out of cars is illegal.
No; that Sgt made it off the list. Book smarts yes...... street smarts none!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Pathetic that this sergeant, who was obviously such a great and knowledgeable copper that she was promoted simply on her merit, doesn’t know simple case law. “Why do you have the occupants out of the vehicle?” Because I want to, that’s why. I don’t need a reason. My reason is fuck you that’s my reason. And it’s legal. She was a fucking mope when she worked days in 011. I couldn’t believe it when I saw this useless know nothing with a white shirt. Better off getting some kid with 2 years on the job if you have a question, because this sergeant price won’t have any answers for you. Coppers, if you’re going to be making stops, know the law and don’t let her intimidate you. Throw it right in her face because she clearly doesn’t know the law. She won’t know what to say when you give her case law as to why everything is legal. She has no response because there is none. Sergeant sherry price, what a joke this department is.
Because I want to. That’s the reason for the stop.
n order for an officer to pull you over in the state of Illinois, the officer must have reasonable suspicion to make the stop. ... Reasonable suspicion is the standard required for a traffic stop in Illinois, though an officer needs to satisfy the higher level of probable cause for a search of a car.
Because I want to. That’s the reason for the stop.
n order for an officer to pull you over in the state of Illinois, the officer must have reasonable suspicion to make the stop. ... Reasonable suspicion is the standard required for a traffic stop in Illinois, though an officer needs to satisfy the higher level of probable cause for a search of a car.
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Stopping cars because you want to might land you in some trouble. Recently a Deputy Sheriff curbed two male blacks for no apparent reason. When they asked why they were being stopped he replied because "I'm a police officer and I can do what I want." Video surfaced and shortly after he was fired. You might want to get with the times.
Price is the merit selection of none other than merit and cheater extraordinaire Ernest Cato III. Go figure......
Both merit , never the poleece
Want outbof 12
Start asking questions in roll call and see the blank answers.
11/30/2019 07:46:00 PM
WOW, please sign up for search and seizure class. It will be an opener for you.
Anonymous said...
This Department has turned into a Third World shit hole where the Dictator puts all his incompetent and unqualified family and friends in positions of power. The Dictator then hires even more incompetent and unqualified relatives of his family and friends to fill the empty spots because competent and qualified people don't want anything to do with the Third World BS. All to the detriment of the competent, qualified, and hard working men and women who want to do a good job, but can't because of the Third World leadership.
11/30/2019 10:43:00 AM
Welcome to South Africa you voted for it!
Sergeant First Class Oscar B. Ware was a Green Beret serving in Bosnia. There was a Navy SEAL assigned to Oscar's team. One fine day, Oscar noticed that the SEAL was carrying a non-standard Sig pistol. He inquired about the pistol, the SEAL removed it from his holster and handed it to Oscar for his inspection. Neither of them thought to "clear" the pistol. Oscar, being an expert, pointed the SIG in the SEAL's direction and "accidentally" pulled the trigger, shooting the SEAL with his own SIG, just inches from the heart. Unbelievably, the SEAL survived. Heck, Oscar saved his life (he was a medic).
From that point on, we were ordered not to carry a round in the chamber while operating in Bosnia, "the Clinton era". We were living in town, among the Bosnian Muslim populace, with just a pistol for protection yet, because of fucking Oscar B. Fucking Ware......we were supposed to carry weapons without a round in the chamber. Awesome.
Why am I telling you this terrible tale? Because I saw Oscar a few years later, a newly minted Master Sergeant, "leading" a team in Iraq. Yep, the military has a merit system too. Even Oscar can't explain how he was promoted. You guys are not alone.
“Because I want to. That’s the reason for the stop.
n order for an officer to pull you over in the state of Illinois, the officer must have reasonable suspicion to make the stop. ... Reasonable suspicion is the standard required for a traffic stop in Illinois, though an officer needs to satisfy the higher level of probable cause for a search of a car.”
Yah no shit genius. Of course you need a reason to stop the car. But You don’t need any reason to pull them all out. You can pull all occupants out because you feel like it. And to search the car of course you need a reason. Nothing in the comment you responded to said you don’t need a reason to stop or search the car. It said you don’t need a reason to get all occupants out. So I don’t really understand your response. Either you didn’t read the comment your responded to your you’re SGT Sharon price. This is basic stuff. But thanks for clarifying you need a reason to stop a car and reasons to search. You should be a merit pick some day.
Maybe, it’s time to create that 26th District
and assigned these type of supervisors there? Sgt Price
and so many other merit failures, like some of these
idiot Tact Lieutenants can supervise themselves...
Can you think of someone you can recommend?
Just another good idea
Pathetic that this sergeant, who was obviously such a great and knowledgeable copper that she was promoted simply on her merit, doesn’t know simple case law. “Why do you have the occupants out of the vehicle?” Because I want to, that’s why. I don’t need a reason. My reason is fuck you that’s my reason. And it’s legal. She was a fucking mope when she worked days in 011. I couldn’t believe it when I saw this useless know nothing with a white shirt. Better off getting some kid with 2 years on the job if you have a question, because this sergeant price won’t have any answers for you. Coppers, if you’re going to be making stops, know the law and don’t let her intimidate you. Throw it right in her face because she clearly doesn’t know the law. She won’t know what to say when you give her case law as to why everything is legal. She has no response because there is none. Sergeant sherry price, what a joke this department is.
Because I want to. That’s the reason for the stop.
n order for an officer to pull you over in the state of Illinois, the officer must have reasonable suspicion to make the stop. ... Reasonable suspicion is the standard required for a traffic stop in Illinois, though an officer needs to satisfy the higher level of probable cause for a search of a car.
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Second mope found. Your reading comprehension is as bad as your understanding of proper sentence structure. Did he say “because I want to” referencing the reason for the stop? Or was it said in the context of why he had occupants out of the vehicle? Hint: it’s the second one. And they are very different things. Try picking up a book and reading it for once in your life.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Michigan Vs Long. As you can articulate why you believe there are weapons in the vehicle, you can do a pat down of the passenger compartment that is accessible to the occupants. The safety of the officers outweighs the mild inconvenience of the passengers. So tell her to go pound sand.
Don’t agree with her, but you left out an important part of the supreme courts decision, the last two words, reasonable suspicion. Isn’t that what she complaining about? Why are you stopping the car? Since the consent decree things have changed and are being looked at closer for the reason for the original stop.
Michigan v. Long, 463 U.S. 1032 (1983), was a decision by the United States Supreme Court that extended Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968) to allow searches of car compartments during a stop with reasonable suspicion.
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“As long as you can articulate why you believe..” sure sounds like he was talking about reasonable suspicion to me. Why are you stopping the car? Any officer worth a shit can find a legal reason to stop ANY car. There is such an insane amount of traffic law and everyone violates something. If you can’t find a violation, you’re just a dumb cop. Then again, if you’re doing proactive stops these days; you’re also most likely a dumb cop.
After reading these comments about this female Sgt., She is doomed, you have done her in. This job has never changed. Might as well sit in your squad all night and hide sister. Sad.
Anonymous said...
Better question is who made her a merit Sgt and can the media or someone FOIA her merit packet? We’d all love to read the reasons and qualifications for promoting her when she didn’t test well enough to make it.
11/30/2019 11:27:00 AM
why don't you try this? It will be denied as this is a personnel matter and is exempt from FOIA
So what's the going rate for a "MERIT" promotion these days? Back in the day Sgt was 8-10k and Lt. WAS 12-15 k but that was last century.
All this case law talk is gonna get you in a lot of trouble. Yeah your right it is legal to stop them and have them all get out, BUT, is being right what you want to do. Or is keeping your job and not being sued what you want. Tilting at windmills in the community is pretty dumb. Just point laugh and drive on or better turn head so you don't see anything that will get you in trouble. Not the time for moral victories when a war on police is raging.
Stop all the BS case law talk. Only true until next case changes that case your siting then your screwed. Since the won'twon't be prosecuted why bother. Oh the Sgt,Lt and commander want numbers. LOL. Are you his puppet and stepping stone to his or hers next bump. Is that what you want to be a stepping stone? Think about it.
pers, if you’re going to be making stops, know the law and don’t let her intimidate you. Throw it right in her face because she clearly doesn’t know the law. She won’t know what to say when you give her case law as to why everything is legal. She has no response because there is none. Sergeant sherry price, what a joke this department is.
Because I want to. That’s the reason for the stop.
n order for an officer to pull you over in the state of Illinois, the officer must have reasonable suspicion to make the stop. ... Reasonable suspicion is the standard required for a traffic stop in Illinois, though an officer needs to satisfy the higher level of probable cause for a search of a car.
We are not talking about searching the car.
n order for an officer to pull you over in the state of Illinois, the officer must have reasonable suspicion to make the stop. ... Reasonable suspicion is the standard required for a traffic stop in Illinois, though an officer needs to satisfy the higher level of probable cause for a search of a car.
11/30/2019 07:46:00 PM
You don't need probable cause to search a car. I certainly hope you're a troll and not a cop.
It's a win win with these p*$$y sgts. They then get assigned to the desk approving your reports. You can send 100 reports to 5 different sgts and have 5 kicked back. No not the p*$$y sgt! 95 will be kicked back. 50 of the 95 will be kicked back twice. Then you just code everything cause your sick of the b%/$÷ and avoid paper.
Starks was a snitch to the press and stupid Daley finally had him de-balled. That's when the 1st Dep's office lost all it's power.
Don't know the new airport guy, long retired from there. Smart move to have a guy who has been there. It a different world. Some past bosses have lost millions in grants due to lack of experience in aviation. Good luck to him.
Well if this is remotely true, I think the boys and girls in 11 should do a complete stop of ALL work
except for assigned calls that they are given from the OEMC. No Parker’s, No movers, No nothing.
She how she explains the decrease to the boss at the end of the month.....ijs
Is this Sgt. LISA Price's sister? If so then Dan Starks axed for a favor.
That’s assuming she can read
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Better question is who made her a merit Sgt and can the media or someone FOIA her merit packet? We’d all love to read the reasons and qualifications for promoting her when she didn’t test well enough to make it.
11/30/2019 11:27:00 AM
why don't you try this? It will be denied as this is a personnel matter and is exempt from FOIA
12/01/2019 08:38:00 AM
Negative. She’s a public servant feasting at the trough. It’s public knowledge and discoverable. Can you imagine the bullshit qualifications and padded resumes some of these hacks must have??
Please tell me the other 011 midnight sgt who hit the medical is BP ????????
11/30/2019 05:56:00 PM
^^^^^ Yes and still on the medical too.
Anonymous said...
So what's the going rate for a "MERIT" promotion these days? Back in the day Sgt was 8-10k and Lt. WAS 12-15 k but that was last century.
12/01/2019 09:02:00 AM
If that's true take out a personal loan well worth it for the bump in pay and pension!
pers, if you’re going to be making stops, know the law and don’t let her intimidate you. Throw it right in her face because she clearly doesn’t know the law. She won’t know what to say when you give her case law as to why everything is legal. She has no response because there is none. Sergeant sherry price, what a joke this department is.
Because I want to. That’s the reason for the stop.
n order for an officer to pull you over in the state of Illinois, the officer must have reasonable suspicion to make the stop. ... Reasonable suspicion is the standard required for a traffic stop in Illinois, though an officer needs to satisfy the higher level of probable cause for a search of a car.
We are not talking about searching the car.
Read the law above, the first sentence. It states in order to pull over a car you need reasonable suspicion. Only later it states a higher level of probable cause if you search a car. You must have missed the beginning
Pathetic that this sergeant, who was obviously such a great and knowledgeable copper that she was promoted simply on her merit, doesn’t know simple case law. “Why do you have the occupants out of the vehicle?” Because I want to, that’s why. I don’t need a reason. My reason is fuck you that’s my reason. And it’s legal. She was a fucking mope when she worked days in 011. I couldn’t believe it when I saw this useless know nothing with a white shirt. Better off getting some kid with 2 years on the job if you have a question, because this sergeant price won’t have any answers for you. Coppers, if you’re going to be making stops, know the law and don’t let her intimidate you. Throw it right in her face because she clearly doesn’t know the law. She won’t know what to say when you give her case law as to why everything is legal. She has no response because there is none. Sergeant sherry price, what a joke this department is.
Because I want to. That’s the reason for the stop.
n order for an officer to pull you over in the state of Illinois, the officer must have reasonable suspicion to make the stop. ... Reasonable suspicion is the standard required for a traffic stop in Illinois, though an officer needs to satisfy the higher level of probable cause for a search of a car.
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Second mope found. Your reading comprehension is as bad as your understanding of proper sentence structure. Did he say “because I want to” referencing the reason for the stop? Or was it said in the context of why he had occupants out of the vehicle? Hint: it’s the second one. And they are very different things. Try picking up a book and reading it for once in your
Not sure about your comprehension. Was clearly stated “because I want to, that’s why. I don’t need a reason. Pretty clear
TRIFECTA at work as predicted!!
nonymous said...
So what's the going rate for a "MERIT" promotion these days? Back in the day Sgt was 8-10k and Lt. WAS 12-15 k but that was last century.
12/01/2019 09:02:00 AM
The 1977 sergeant exam was going for 5 grand. I know that was the offer given to me. The 1987 lieutenant exam was controlled by Ald. Beavers and I heard the price was high. This is all a travesty but I don't thinks things have changed much wit the BS merit system.
From that point on, we were ordered not to carry a round in the chamber while operating in Bosnia, "the Clinton era". We were living in town, among the Bosnian Muslim populace, with just a pistol for protection yet, because of fucking Oscar B. Fucking Ware......we were supposed to carry weapons without a round in the chamber. Awesome.
Why am I telling you this terrible tale? Because I saw Oscar a few years later, a newly minted Master Sergeant, "leading" a team in Iraq. Yep, the military has a merit system too. Even Oscar can't explain how he was promoted. You guys are not alone.
12/01/2019 03:03:00 AM
Interesting story. The promotions boards have an unofficial quota to enforce and promotions are based on education, awards etc. By, the way, I had a friend who served in Bosnia with the US State Department as a police advisor. He was in a mountain town and was unarmed. When I told him he was nuts to do this unarmed, he told me he was never in danger and did not need a sidearm. I still question that
Cato put her in for merit, nobody should be surprised by his choice.
Yeah, well she’s a fucking moron.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
After reading these comments about this female Sgt., She is doomed, you have done her in. This job has never changed. Might as well sit in your squad all night and hide sister. Sad.
12/01/2019 07:51:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
nonymous said...
So what's the going rate for a "MERIT" promotion these days? Back in the day Sgt was 8-10k and Lt. WAS 12-15 k but that was last century.
Takes more than money to get promoted, even then. You had to be able to get to the guy
If it only took money you would have to be an idiot not to pay. 10K for Sgt. Best investment in the world. Make your money back in a year and every year after that. 100% return on your investment each year
“...
Not sure about your comprehension. Was clearly stated “because I want to, that’s why. I don’t need a reason. Pretty clear”
12/01/2019 02:52:00 PM
Guy your comprehension is unbelievably bad. Yes the commenter said “because I want to, that’s why. I don’t need a reason” in reference to pulling occupants out of the car. That was not said as to why the stop was made or a search being conducted. Holy crap guy, I reread the original comment like 10 times to make sure I wasn’t misreading it, figure it out Sharon price I know that’s you. You illiterate dope.
How about the scared female LT on days in 017...wears a boot on one foot so she can’t go out in the streets. Come on lady, who ya foolin’?
Cato showed his brilliant leadership by promoting this one, right? Ask us again to follow you....
"...have any of the so-called merit promotions ever turn out to be ok..."
Leo is the best example. He's a self-promoter but never let the working copper down.
That is an interesting thought, FOIA merit packets.
Anonymous said...
So what's the going rate for a "MERIT" promotion these days? Back in the day Sgt was 8-10k and Lt. WAS 12-15 k but that was last century.
12/01/2019 09:02:00 AM
If that's true take out a personal loan well worth it for the bump in pay and pension!
Is it worth the headache is the question.I don't think so.
Negative. She’s a public servant feasting at the trough. It’s public knowledge and discoverable. Can you imagine the bullshit qualifications and padded resumes some of these hacks must have??
12/01/2019 01:13:00 PM
if you really believe this then why don't you FOIA some of these merit packets? You will be denied by the city and will have to appeal to the State office of the Illinois Attorney General. Anything to do with personnel will be denied.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Negative. She’s a public servant feasting at the trough. It’s public knowledge and discoverable. Can you imagine the bullshit qualifications and padded resumes some of these hacks must have??
12/01/2019 01:13:00 PM
if you really believe this then why don't you FOIA some of these merit packets? You will be denied by the city and will have to appeal to the State office of the Illinois Attorney General. Anything to do with personnel will be denied.
12/02/2019 08:34:00 AM
Merit hack sounds worried. Don’t you?
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