How Do These Files Exist?
These files date back forty-eight years AND they were the subject of numerous Contractual Agreements that prescribed destruction seven years after they were closed, especially the ones that cleared officers:
- A Cook County judge is giving the Chicago Police Department until the end of the year to turn over nearly five decades’ worth of previously unreleased files related to allegations of misconduct by officers.
The order was issued Friday in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed against the city by Charles Green, who served more than two decades in prison after being convicted in a quadruple murder on the West Side in the 198[0's]
In 2015, six years after his release, Green filed a FOIA request with the city asking for copies of any and all closed complaint register files from 1967 to 2015. The request was made, Green’s attorney said, “in order to help him discover evidence of his innocence and to preserve and disseminate evidence of innocence to others wrongfully convicted.”
The number of officers that had contact with this guy can't number more than a dozen or two - tops. But now, thousands of retired cops (and many hundreds of deceased ones), not to mention three-quarters of the current force, are going to be fodder for a data-mining effort to smear reputations and legacies.
So what penalties is the FOP pushing for? The City has consistently and repeatedly violated the Contract - a Contract that carries the force of law because it was passed by the full City Council. What sanctions against the City does the membership have to look forward to? Surely there must be something on the table.
So what penalties is the FOP pushing for? The City has consistently and repeatedly violated the Contract - a Contract that carries the force of law because it was passed by the full City Council. What sanctions against the City does the membership have to look forward to? Surely there must be something on the table.
Labels: un-fucking-fucking-believable
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
160 Comments:
So.. what is the point of a union or contract in this city
Records keepers at police department and city bureaucracies tend to be hoarders. They throw out NOTHING.
The FOP was asleep on this from the day one.
Ok, you come as the new bargaining agent and there are a lot of things to do. But it should have been a priority issue. It's too late now.
What about pension payment
Class Action suit, damages to be paid to ALL MEMBERS AFFECTED!!
Off Topic but if you really want crimesha out vote in Dem primary. No point in voting in Rep primary in Il.
I took a finski from Mailbox Mary in 1969. I'll turn myself in on Monday morning.
Do they realize how many files they are taking about? Imagine an area the size of the waiting room in the medical section. Now fill that area floor to ceiling with boxes of files. That’s how much!
So you were Convicted by a Jury, And a Lawyer asked you, if you had any contact with Burge? And if you did were you forced to confess? And you may have a settlement, Bingo The Witness and Detectives are No longer around and Get Rich.All Evidence is tossed.
Money is the only sanction these scumbags understand.
Is there any way someone can convince you that democrats want to enslave you under communism?
Sue the shit out of the city. They did not live up to their contractual obligations. There should be nothing to turn over from that long ago. Just a skank lawyer who found a way to hit a jackpot of some sort. How was this clown harmed by anything from the entire CPD that a judge can rule like this ?
Anybody who does anything more than answer their calls and write paper is a fucking moron. They are trying their hardest, their very hardest, to take down any officer they can. It doesn't matter what our general orders say, it doesn't even matter what the law says, logic and reasoning are thrown out the door when dealing with these shithead loving jagoffs. Do your job correctly by the book, and be rewarded with lawsuits, suspensions, and even jail time. Fuck these people.
The department was supposed to destroy them. Now it will cost them dearly.
"How Do These Files Exist?"
Destroying them was likely a low/non-priority. That, and perhaps the people who worked in HQ were "busy doing other things," rather than destroying them.
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I talked to the FOP about this just recently. Rich Aguilar at FOP filed a grievance in 2011 about the non-destruction of files when an IAD investigator made a faux pas at an arbitration hearing and testified that she was ordered not to destroy any files. The grievance went to hearing and the arbitrator ruled in January 2016 that the Department was supposed to negotiate a destruction plan with FOP. Not too surprisingly Disability Dean’s crew did absolutely nothing about it. The matter is now being handled by the FOP labor attorneys. Next time you see Dean or any of his crew, give a big thank you. On second thought a FUCK YOU might be more appropriate.
FYI Ray Ray Casiano who was Dean’s 1st VP is now running for President and Kevin Kilmer who was the Grievance Chairman in 2016 is running for a Trustee spot in the upcoming FOP election. The two have got balls bigger than King Kong. If either one of these guys gets more than a couple of hundred votes all of you coppers are nuts!
Looks like a step forward towards a plan to disband this "bad" Police Department. Release countless documents containing factitious accusations and wait for the media to paint the department as corrupt and evil. There's hate towards the police from all sides, Judges, ASA's, citizens, everywhere. You might as well stop giving a crap, I should have listened to my Sergeant, my LT, and all my co-workers looooooooooooooong time ago.
P.S. Who's to say COPA cannot use these documents to fire officers. Strip pensions maybe? COPA can get creative.
Give them nothing but the address to Lake
Michigan ! Lol
It will only get worse with electronic records and cheap storage.
Going forward. Maybe add a requirement that the custodian of the records signs a statement under penalty of perjury every year that the records have been destroyed in accordance with the FOP contract and records retention policies, Things like "Penalty of Perjury" tend to make people sometimes actually do their job. It would be hard for the City to object, since the cost for the City is minimal.
And the city and CPD wonders why no one trusts these corrupt scumbags? Everything is a lie.
" they were the subject of numerous Contractual Agreements that proscribed destruction seven years after they were closed."
The FOP Officers should have made sure the contract was followed.
The members that knew the facts should have made sure the FOP Officers knew them also.
The FOP is a JOKE! If you’re in your Twenties or early Thirties this Organization is a bowl Full of Selfish HACKS who will FUCK you or use the position to Advance Themselves.
= Truth
Was a grievance filed within seven day of the date the grievant became aware of the violation, or thirty days absolute?
-- Then sorry no soup for you.
Why do you allow a list of registered firearms?
That is something that also needs to go.
Congratulations to Chicago on your No Shooting Tuesday!
May there be many more!
This sucks!!!
The City violates contractual agreements by not destroying records as agreed upon. Nothing will happen to the City. FOP will fold. All that’s left is to fuck the police. Wouldn’t trust representation from the City or FOP. However. due to costs we are forced to use them.
COPA is going to reopen investigations into dead officers CR #'s and find them in violation of general orders, recommending suspensions and firing of the dead officer who cant fight their findings. COPAS disciplinary stats will go way up and they'll be telling the media what a success rate they're producing.
Making a mockery of the Law. And why start with 1967?
FOP must file suit to protect our rights and the rights of all retired officers.
And all the leech lawyers who make their living second guessing, smearing police officers & suing the city will all have these files in their databases thanks to the city, their host.
Who was the judge that issued the order? Is this noted jurist up for retention? Our readers need o cast an educated ballot this November. Register and Vote!
Retired .38 spl +P
Time to sue the city, and get this to the Supreme Court. And I don't mean the IL Supreme Court. I know this is a stretch but we are talking about a major city of this country. Labor Contracts were violated at will by the city for years. A pattern has been established by the city that can clearly be documented. Patterns and practice, sound familiar. Violated by the pols that tout labor as a priority, and yet screw all city unions and their members constantly, regardless of the profession.
Time for the FOP to sue for violation of the contract and General Orders pertaining to disciplinary files not being destroyed. Possible class action? This retiree is in
Contact the American Conservative Union about a class action lawsuit. Flood then with phone calls and let's get this to the alt media. Maybe Paul Huebl can do a piece and get it to Brietbart, Alex Jones and NYPD Rant. Let's get this story out nationally and force the National FOP tio tract.
federal lawsuit by all cops that records weren't cleared after 7yrs...
time for my ghetto lottery
I hope this guy has a lot of spare time to read.
Silly people, you still have not learned that the city owns you. Your contract with the city means nothing unless the city says so. Only hope is to sue to have any evidence in those files thrown out as illegal. Good luck with the that in a Cook County court. Wait until the suspensions and firings once COPA gets their hands on their stuff. Pensions lost and jail for some of them he was unlucky ones. Plus a whole bunch of crimes Win for Redon and sue the city. In this case suits will be called police lottery. Coverups about to hecome very publici, the Code can only cover for so long. Bad popcorn time.
If your counting on the FOP for help, good luck. Kind of like a drowning man being thrown an anvil.
FOP response, DA!
Class Action suit? Put the drink down and give your car keys to someone before you hurt yourself.
Would most of the 1967 police personnel be dead now? Would records that old be fading, yellow or unreadable now?
The FOP is not a union. Its a fraternal organization. No job actions, No strikes. Now when is the next picnic and golf outing?
My father retired 10 years before I was hired, I am now retired. I went to be cleared from an IOD. As I sat in the room waiting for the nurse I picked up what I believed was my file, all paper back then. I was dumb founded when I realized I was looking at my father's file, at this point he was retired better than 15 years. That was the day Dad's file was destroyed.
Well my friend your absolutely right about the skank lawyer getting rich. It will be at your expense, potential to cost the city hundreds of millions, there goes all the We d money and then some. Your raise offer just changed in a dramatic way. For those not paying attention that retro check just got a lot smaller. Surprised if city settled your contract before the fallout from this is known, better hope they do.
Well the good news is that maybe some four and merit hacks will finally get their deserved Karma.
This has the potential to be the biggest scandal ever in a city that is a total scandal. Buckle up gonna be a very ugly ride.
FOP contract Section 8 Employee Security (8.3, 8.4) chicagofop.org under contracts
I’m going to look into finding an attorney or law firm that specializes in contract law that would be willing to represent us. Two things: If I can find one to represent, would everyone be on board with not only signing on, but committed to contributing to the costs the for law suit, it will get expensive fighting the city. Two: What repercussions do I/we face with FOP being our legal representation?
Another problem will be finding a firm/attorney not associated with the Chicago Democratic Swamp, but I’m willing to try. I’ll keep you all posted, I’ve just had enough of this BS.
TF 620
“Anonymous Anonymous said...
I took a finski from Mailbox Mary in 1969. I'll turn myself in on Monday morning.
1/11/2020 12:30:00 AM”
Guy, is that you??? That is not all Mailbox Marilyn gave you. Clapp, clapp, clap.
Oh good another type of get out of jail free card. Only won’t be free after city gets sued and looses.
OT It is working they have you afraid to return incoming shots. Just read about inferential on 71st where cops fired on and did not return fire but were stupid enough to chase. Gonna get a cop shot unless you protect yourselves. Hope the traffic stop on 71st was really worth it. Trying to make that alt or Commander look good. Stupid is as stupid does.
Wow. I’ll be getting big money with 145 crs.
"....Rich Aguilar at FOP filed a grievance in 2011 about the non-destruction of files ..."
this poster (undoubtedly Rich) then slams Dean,Casiano and Klimer.....yet doesn't slam Aguilar--who REMAINS working for FOP and despite his wonderfulness has also done nothing (except be rude and get paid a lot of money)---
It’s happening right now with body camera footage. It’s supposed to be destroyed after 90 days per the order and state law. It’s not happening per Lewin. It’s going to cost the City millions in data storage. All unions should do something. The people in charge are dumb. They don’t even follow law.
Its in violation of the FOIA laws too.
Anonymous I KNOW A THING OR TWO ABOUT A THING OR TWO said...
I talked to the FOP about this just recently. Rich Aguilar at FOP filed a grievance in 2011 about the non-destruction of files when an IAD investigator made a faux pas at an arbitration hearing and testified that she was ordered not to destroy any files. The grievance went to hearing and the arbitrator ruled in January 2016 that the Department was supposed to negotiate a destruction plan with FOP. Not too surprisingly Disability Dean’s crew did absolutely nothing about it. The matter is now being handled by the FOP labor attorneys. Next time you see Dean or any of his crew, give a big thank you. On second thought a FUCK YOU might be more appropriate.
1/11/2020 01:12:00 AM
Nice post AGUILAR but you are full of shit. Yes you filed a grievance. But YOU let the thing sit for years. Too busy going over to the ice house playing hockey during the day and on our time and out dime. When you lost your election the cat was out of the bag. Besides f@ucking over Shields you a-holes were f@ucking over the membership. I’m not of fan of Angelo but he got handed a pile of shit. Because you City-Wide guys hide every piece of information possible from Shields the “Letter” opening contract talks did not get sent in on time. Also when they did and inventory of the whole building the found boxes of grievances that YOU filed but NEVER took the next steps on. You clowns only went thru the motions and the lied to us at a general meetings how the process takes so long. All of our CR# histories are on line because of YOU.
Boys and girls when a elected member of the upper offices has to get up at a general meeting and has to profess to the membership he is not a liar, rest assured he is a lying sack of shit.
The original post is pure democratic swamp bullshit. Blame Angelo for everything to divert attention from YOUR thieving ways.
That amount of paper has to take up a huge space! Who is getting the storage fees, Daly and Vanecko hauling and storage, LLC.?
Who is that real estate guy that the county rents from, Higenbottom? Someone has to be making money beside the scum lawyers...
So if the city disseminates any paper document that violates the contract o would hope every member files a blanket law suit against the city that violates the agreement. Stand up already. Stop letting this happen.
The executive board of our FOP doesn't give two shits about the members, especially considering the fact they are giving a letter of recommendation to Senator Rob Martwick. Martwick is a John Arena buddy and cheered him on when her went after dozens of our members with false complaints. We can't even get the FOP to back our members when a 2 year investigation by COPA proved that these officers were unlawfully monitored. Why isn't Arena being held accountable for filing false complaints? Yea, we know Mark Donahue and his followers care more about their buddies in Springfield, more than our actual members. Well boys and girls we are actually in a position to do something about, educate yourself on who you allow to represent us. Ballots go out in February.
I approached FOP and Bartlett about this two years ago when the innocence project started publishing lies. crickets. No interest. Lost a lot of respect for that team.
Liberal judges in cahoots with their former law firms or college pals to easily soak the city for millions in undiscoverable records.
This legal stunt is not about subpoena and deposition of aged retired from the ‘70’s.
It does make for a quick restorative and social justice settlement when the City can’t locate actual 40 year old paper copies or microfiche likely are long gone when HQ moved out of 11th & State and still, ain’t nobody got time to do no search.
That’s the only reason this frivolous nonsense is being brought up and Groot and her nasty council caucus is going to gladly pay.
I'm 71 years old and very tired of this fuckin so-called Union, i'm done, for a lousy Handbook
I don't need, and member sticker's that will get u a broken window, they can kiss my ass, i'm
done,i have no faith in them and it's been this way ever since they started.
Who was the judge?
http://pili.org/board-member-spotlights/judge-alison-conlon/
Nice pedigree.
Any remaining records that may or may not exist should be burned immediately pursuant to the contract.
Anonymous said...
Who was the judge that issued the order? Is this noted jurist up for retention? Our readers need o cast an educated ballot this November. Register and Vote!
Retired .38 spl +P
1/11/2020 03:56:00 AM
VOTE NO to every Judge!
I think 10 dollars an allegation is a fair price to any officer whose rights were violated by the city for not following a lawful contract agreed on by the city council and mayor. And i mean each allegation since the IAD/COPA clowns seem to love adding shit to BEEFS.
LORI is all about expungements of pot heads and hiring junkies but when it come to officer who risk their live and who protect her ASS she does not give a SHIT!
DID LORI offer to rehire anyone who was fired for testing positive for weed?
NOPE
ANy of you blue shirts get those parking ticket erased? NOPE you got a days suspension and still had to pay.
SO what is FOP gonna do? The city is screwing us with stupid start time and schedules. The mayor isnt fighting against the records? sounds like a class action should be in place ??? CMON PRESIDENT GRAHAM put that crack team of your at FOP who all think they are the future and do something !
OH i also believe whoever kept the actual records should be investigated and terminated. WE NEED SOME NAMES...
On the flip-side, it shows the desperation of the leftists.
They are unable to sway much of the silent population.
The useless ‘union’ should be suing every living superintendent and mayor
for failing to follow the contract.
I asked IAD records years ago why the files weren’t destroyed. Supposedly a federal judge ordered the files to be retained. As far as I know the order is still in effect.
The FOP is and always has been a useless organization except for gold outings. The reps all serve themselves only. Need to take another vote and dump these chumps now. Teamsters, MAP, any fucking body else would be better than FlOP.
Anonymous I KNOW A THING OR TWO ABOUT A THING OR TWO said...
I talked to the FOP about this just recently. Rich Aguilar at FOP filed a grievance in 2011 about the non-destruction of files when an IAD investigator made a faux pas at an arbitration hearing and testified that she was ordered not to destroy any files. The grievance went to hearing and the arbitrator ruled in January 2016 that the Department was supposed to negotiate a destruction plan with FOP. Not too surprisingly Disability Dean’s crew did absolutely nothing about it. The matter is now being handled by the FOP labor attorneys. Next time you see Dean or any of his crew, give a big thank you. On second thought a FUCK YOU might be more appropriate.
Now that's humorous. RICH?
The guy who sat on boxes of grievances he did nothing with? The guy who is an additional field rep the was specifically hired to address contractual issues for contract negotiations? That whole crew has been up their 3 years knowing about this and have done nothing of substance. Now they want your vote because they are going fight. What a joke.
CLEAN HOUSE
This is what happens when you have a union led by annointed ones and yes men. They only thing they fight for is what goes in their pockets.
John Catanzara
From the Illinois Personnel Record Review Act:
(820 ILCS 40/7) (from Ch. 48, par. 2007)
Sec. 7. (1) An employer or former employer shall not divulge a disciplinary report, letter of reprimand, or other disciplinary action to a third party, to a party who is not a part of the employer's organization, or to a party who is not a part of a labor organization representing the employee, without written notice as provided in this Section.
(820 ILCS 40/8) (from Ch. 48, par. 2008)
Sec. 8. An employer shall review a personnel record before releasing information to a third party and, except when the release is ordered to a party in a legal action or arbitration, delete disciplinary reports, letters of reprimand, or other records of disciplinary action which are more than 4 years old.
(820 ILCS 40/12) (from Ch. 48, par. 2012)
(c) If an employer violates this Act, an employee may commence an action in the circuit court to enforce the provisions of this Act, including actions to compel compliance, where efforts to resolve the employee's complaint concerning such violation by conference, conciliation or persuasion pursuant to subsection (b) have failed and the Department has not commenced an action in circuit court to redress such violation. The circuit court for the county in which the complainant resides, in which the complainant is employed, or in which the personnel record is maintained shall have jurisdiction in such actions.
Just a reminder to officers and the FOP.
My wife, who is a CCL holder, owns all of our guns.
We have lawyers in blue, driving a beat car.
Please step up.
Sue the FOP for not enforcing the contract.
Our legal system especially in Chicago is a cover story for a dictatorship. Move along sheep.
Union - What a joke
Now you have all these people running solo - teams -ect
Need to drop all of this and hit up the teamsters
You want to see a union - or what one can actually do ask someone who works for the railroad.
Mail box Mary RIP Thanks for remembering her
I suspect, a lot of files were kept at 1121 S. State St. Remember, this was stone age record keeping, pre-computers. I suspect, a lot of "stuff" was not brought over.
Just a guess.
I don’t think many of the folks involved in my beefs are even still alive today. Now what. Maybe I’ll just confess. Or not.
the FOIA statute says if you don’t deny a request as unduly burdensome within 10 days of getting it, you waive the right to deny it as unduly burdensome and must give all the records. The judge made the right call. Her hands were tied. It was the CPD FOIA unit that made this problem.m
The city can agree to anything in a labor contract but that does not trump state law on public records.
I’m shocked, completely shocked that Aguliar fucked up AGAIN.
Don’t worry once you are sued or indicted Prieb Murray and Bartlett will provide you with revamped legal defense.
Isn’t the police union there to look after the best interests of its members? I keep hearing you all have been working without a new contract for a few years now. How can this be? Is the police union just another corrupt, insider slush-fund that makes people with connections rich and does little for its members (like most labor unions)? Seriously, what exactly are you paying union dues for? These union guys chirp on TV about obvious stuff (like Smellet), but when it comes to the tough issues they seem totally impotent and sometimes AWOL.
The first 50 pages for any FOIA request are free. After that it's 10 cents a page. Had FOIA figured out the expense to provide these records prior to letting the response time run out, the requester would of never paid the price. Since FOIA sat on this request and let it expire, the request needs to be provided for free as per FOIA law. Imagine how much paper will be needed to process this and at the tax payers expense.
said...
I talked to the FOP about this just recently. Rich Aguilar at FOP filed a grievance in 2011 about the non-destruction of files when an IAD investigator made a faux pas at an arbitration hearing and testified that she was ordered not to destroy any files. The grievance went to hearing and the arbitrator ruled in January 2016 that the Department was supposed to negotiate a destruction plan with FOP. Not too surprisingly Disability Dean’s crew did absolutely nothing about it. The matter is now being handled by the FOP labor attorneys. Next time you see Dean or any of his crew, give a big thank you. On second thought a FUCK YOU might be more appropriate.
FYI Ray Ray Casiano who was Dean’s 1st VP is now running for President and Kevin Kilmer who was the Grievance Chairman in 2016 is running for a Trustee spot in the upcoming FOP election. The two have got balls bigger than King Kong. If either one of these guys gets more than a couple of hundred votes all of you coppers are nuts.
Grievance was settled in 2016 and Kevin Graham was elected in 2017 and brought retired Rich Aguilar into the office at 136,000 a year of dues money,the question is what did Aguilar And Graham do in the last three years to make sure the files were destroyed????
Not an issue with current FOP . They are more concerned with fighting Eric Zorn and the "media." No contract, no respect for our rights.
Who is the communist judge who is anti police?
FOP has a contract in place to see these files destroyed, the FOP ought to show up EVERY YEAR and witness the destruction of said files. Hell, have the FOP contract with a shredding company, let that company bring a shredding truck to the location of the files, and witness the files being destroyed; save for any under a valid "legal hold" issued by a Judge. Mark those boxes, put them in a special location of the place marked as such with a copy of the Judge's Order. Take note of the date the Order expires, and schedule the truck to show up on THAT DAY, and toss that box into the shredder.
That takes care of the paper. For Digital Files, FOP needs to have a rep go up to the System Administrator/Database Administrators with a copy of the Contract and tell the Admins to DELETE those files, and scrub any/all backups. Watch them do it.
You know you can't trust the scheisters at the City, so you guys need to get it done yourselves. Stop bitching about this everytime it comes up, START DOING SOMETHING.
The reality is that FOP fucking sucks! They get bitched slapped constantly by the City and cannot protect its members. Time for someone to create a new union! One that is competent.
My Dad and I both had the same star #, He gonna have to take all my shit posthumously. He was always an asshole anyway.
The only thing this city of Democrats understands is money, file a civil suit class action lawsuit on behalf of all the officers. Especially for those who's cases were reopened illegally by copa and ipra.
Fop too busy fighting each other daily to do their damned jobs ! Too many steak dinners and parties , not enough work. Vote all existing and past Fop asshats OUT !! NEW BLOOD , NOW
The fault of FOP, 100%.
The union needs a complete revamp, all new members with no stink on them from previous administrations. Honest people who can’t be bought. No Dineen, Nolan, Doherty, Angelo ties. As a group, they failed us and enriched themselves at our expense,
I am retired, but that union needs to be run by active cops. Nothing else makes sense.
Since we cannot strike or take job actions legally, the only thing ANY UNION THAT REPRESENTS US can do is file an unfair labor practice complaint. No matter who's the union pres or what union we certify.
FOP , PBPA should file a law suit
All records should have been destroyed after 5 years .
The City has and continues to trample rough shod over our Contract with little or no consequences.
With the STATE (not Federally) mandated Consent Decree in place, the trampling of our contract will accelerate as the City and Dept continue to make changes in compliance with this phony Consent Decree bullshit.
Strongly worded letters and going to court before machine political hack judges doesn't seem to be working.
So what's Plan B? Anyone?
I think we all know what has to happen next for coppers to be taken seriously by the City, but... no leadership or direction. Or balls.
You can blame a couple of retired goofs at BIA and a handful of bosses that couldn't make a fucking decision to save their lives.
Bend over!!!!
FOP loses these important lawsuits and then complains about the big bad city. How about you hire some good lawyers who can properly fight the city? Or maybe they don’t want that. FOP playing ball for the city then acting all upset when they lose. Maybe they’re in bed with the city. It doesn’t make sense how the FOP and their lawyers are so incompetent.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous I KNOW A THING OR TWO ABOUT A THING OR TWO said...
I talked to the FOP about this just recently. Rich Aguilar at FOP filed a grievance in 2011 about the non-destruction of files when an IAD investigator made a faux pas at an arbitration hearing and testified that she was ordered not to destroy any files. The grievance went to hearing and the arbitrator ruled in January 2016 that the Department was supposed to negotiate a destruction plan with FOP. Not too surprisingly Disability Dean’s crew did absolutely nothing about it. The matter is now being handled by the FOP labor attorneys. Next time you see Dean or any of his crew, give a big thank you. On second thought a FUCK YOU might be more appropriate.
1/11/2020 01:12:00 AM
Nice post AGUILAR but you are full of shit. Yes you filed a grievance. But YOU let the thing sit for years. Too busy going over to the ice house playing hockey during the day and on our time and out dime. When you lost your election the cat was out of the bag. Besides f@ucking over Shields you a-holes were f@ucking over the membership. I’m not of fan of Angelo but he got handed a pile of shit. Because you City-Wide guys hide every piece of information possible from Shields the “Letter” opening contract talks did not get sent in on time. Also when they did and inventory of the whole building the found boxes of grievances that YOU filed but NEVER took the next steps on. You clowns only went thru the motions and the lied to us at a general meetings how the process takes so long. All of our CR# histories are on line because of YOU.
Boys and girls when a elected member of the upper offices has to get up at a general meeting and has to profess to the membership he is not a liar, rest assured he is a lying sack of shit.
The original post is pure democratic swamp bullshit. Blame Angelo for everything to divert attention from YOUR thieving ways.
1/11/2020 08:14:00 AM
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Carlos Danger says:
Aguilar has been called a liar so many times he has legally changed his name (first, middle, last) to “That f@cking Ag-u-liar.”
Weren't years of files destroyed in a flood, not once, but twice??? . Good luck lol
The correct name is Mailbox Marilyn, for those that actually encountered her.
FOP, why are you not endorsing a member of our Union for State Senator over a Fat-Cat, Arena Socialist?
The f@cks that run for a spot in FOP do it for the same reason people get into politics in this city/county, make money. F you Ray, anytime I asked you a question about contract issues you tried to blow swirls of smoke up my ass. Never bought into your bs. Your not anywhere near as smart as you think you are. 5 years and I won’t ever have to see this city again.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
the FOIA statute says if you don’t deny a request as unduly burdensome within 10 days of getting it, you waive the right to deny it as unduly burdensome and must give all the records. The judge made the right call. Her hands were tied. It was the CPD FOIA unit that made this problem.m
1/11/2020 10:58:00 AM
It was obviously denied originally or it wouldn't have ended up in court in front of a judge.
FOP loses these important lawsuits and then complains about the big bad city. How about you hire some good lawyers who can properly fight the city? Or maybe they don’t want that. FOP playing ball for the city then acting all upset when they lose. Maybe they’re in bed with the city. It doesn’t make sense how the FOP and their lawyers are so incompetent.
1/11/2020 03:09:00 PM
First of all, it wasn't a lawsuit Mr. Brightlights. Second, it's not the lawyers you dummy. Third, where do you think all the judges come from? Hint: Everyone's favorite indicted alderman. You can hire Clarence fucking Darrow and you will still lose in this rigged system.
Chancery Judge Alison Conlon. Her dad is William Conlon of Sidley & Austin. Her Uncle Tom is Judge E. Kenneth Wright’s administrative assistant. There you go......
as always even 40 some years later...."i stand by my paper"
GFYS anyone who wants to come after me or old partners.
Oh, and thanks rahm for taking our health care away you shit ball.
https://spn.org/how-to-opt-out-of-union-government-workers/
Shortly after the contract is finalized I will be ending my membership in the FOP. There is no reason to continue to pay 500+ dollars a year for absolutlely no benefit.
Paperless dept running out of paper. What a joke
OT Just wondering if you've seen this. NYC no bail robber released, so robs again! Says "I can't believe they let me go!"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7877107/Suspected-robber-targeted-four-banks-released-NYs-no-bail-law-strikes-FIFTH-time.html
How do these files exist? A feckless FOP, that’s how.
The FOP reminds me of the Republican Party. They talk a good game and appear to be on your side, but they are actually playing for the other team.
I really think we would be better off quitting FOP, and use our dues money to to hire an out of town law firm that can represent us in all matters.
O.T.
2020 is the 40th anniversary of the CFD strike.....and while this is not an option for us maybe we can take a lesson from their solidarity. My kid was lucky enough to get hired and I couldn’t believe all the perks they get over our recruits. Everything is provided for them including their turnout gear and full dress blues down to their shoes! What do our recruits pay out these days when they come on upwards of 7k? When they test for promotional exams 30% of their final score is based on seniority. Extra points based on years on the job which gives you a maximum number of points at about 9-10 years. I’m retired and know that we have never really come together in the past, but if there is anything that these kids hope to salvage of this once proud profession we need to organize and act. Police work as we knew it is dead, but these kids are patrolling the same beats we once did and their situation has to improve to deal with the madness of current politics and public resentment.
Stay safe!
"Martin Preib, second vice president of the Fraternal Order of Police, said in an email to the Sun-Times that the judge’s ruling was “Great news for the Loevy lapdog media like you,” a reference to Loevy & Loevy, a civil rights law firm that often draws the ire of the police union"
I know it's the Sun Times, but is this guy Prieb really the best point media spokesman the lodge can get? Love it or hate it, being polite and well spoken sometimes goes a long way...especially if you can develop a professional relationship with the press like back in the day. Its like the asshole coming on scene after youve finally calmed everything down and starting motherfucking people.
Vote in the Teamsters!
Anonymous said...
From the Illinois Personnel Record Review Act:
(820 ILCS 40/7) (from Ch. 48, par. 2007)
Sec. 7. (1) An employer or former employer shall not divulge a disciplinary report, letter of reprimand, or other disciplinary action to a third party, to a party who is not a part of the employer's organization, or to a party who is not a part of a labor organization representing the employee, without written notice as provided in this Section.
(820 ILCS 40/8) (from Ch. 48, par. 2008)
Sec. 8. An employer shall review a personnel record before releasing information to a third party and, except when the release is ordered to a party in a legal action or arbitration, delete disciplinary reports, letters of reprimand, or other records of disciplinary action which are more than 4 years old.
(820 ILCS 40/12) (from Ch. 48, par. 2012)
(c) If an employer violates this Act, an employee may commence an action in the circuit court to enforce the provisions of this Act, including actions to compel compliance, where efforts to resolve the employee's complaint concerning such violation by conference, conciliation or persuasion pursuant to subsection (b) have failed and the Department has not commenced an action in circuit court to redress such violation. The circuit court for the county in which the complainant resides, in which the complainant is employed, or in which the personnel record is maintained shall have jurisdiction in such actions.
Just a reminder to officers and the FOP.
1/11/2020 10:03:00 AM
File your own lawsuit!
Timmy C here and retired. We helped the good and loving citizens of Chicago regardless of race. And the shitbird fucks making life a horror for these good citizens had to be handled accordingly! Have no issues in my head how I handled fucksticks! None at all! But still hurt inside to this day for innocent people. 006 District.
Remember a Union is only as strong as it's membership ! When was the last time you were at a FOP meeting ? Are you willing to take the time, join a rally, and march on whoever/whatever, needs to be marched on ? Did you know that less than half of the eligible voters, actually voted in the last FOP election ? I think the late "Jimmy Hoffa" once said,"There are plenty of guys who can't wait to line up, and get there Union Benefit's", but when it come's to "Standing on The Line, to fight for them, they are no where to be found" !
PS: Have a nice day ?
PPS: Remember a union can only do what it's membership has the "Balls" to do !
Anonymous Anonymous said...
as always even 40 some years later...."i stand by my paper"
GFYS anyone who wants to come after me or old partners.
Oh, and thanks rahm for taking our health care away you shit ball.
1/11/2020 08:01:00 PM
Interesting how he magically wins a residency case on a dress in an attic, then he wins mayoral election. Then he takes our healthcare away and his brother helps develop Obamacare. If I didn’t know any better, I’d say there is some master plan to turn the country socialist.
They all need to hang for what they are doing to this country, including Soros, Brennan, Clapper, She Devil, and Alfred E. Newman. Let’s hope things aren’t too far gone and the current occupant of the Casa Blanca can right the ship.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
FOP, why are you not endorsing a member of our Union for State Senator over a Fat-Cat, Arena Socialist?
1/11/2020 05:45:00 PM
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Well Martin Preib, Patrick Murray, Rick King, and Mark Tamlo all took off to campaign for retired votes in Florida. You want to bet they all cash their stipend check for this month? That left the rest of us outnumbered leaving Donahue, Dougherty and Trevino to shill for the democrats.
Little Danny Trevino's son got appointed to a judgeship opening by the democratic party. Now the kid has to run for the office to keep it. FOP endorsed Trevino's son for judge, but will not endorse a copper because Donahue takes his orders from Madigan? Dougherty has to protect his political appointment as a US Marshal. Mike Underwood, Ken Hauser, Sergio Escobedo, Carlos Salazar, and Frank Quinn all voted with Donahue because they are all on his ticket. Keep that democratic machine working for the select few.
file the law suit now, ask for a injunction to block these files from being turned over.
This should have been addressed in every level of the courts until the contract was honored. Certain people are touting their efforts to bring in the best and brightest attorneys. I'm seriously beginning to question that theory. 3 years they had to make this right. Almost as long to address the storage of bodycam footage past the 90day guidelines. They want you to believe they have great plans ahead and the will make a complete turnaround because they were on the 'rightside" of consent decree intervention. They couldn't stop that. They couldnt stopthis. I doubt they could stop a corpse from violating our contract. They have done practically ZERO but divide this Lodge further.
John Catanzara
I say it’s time for a mass exodus from this horse shit union. They don’t protect their members anyway! Fuck you very much FOP and Fuck you some more!!!!!!
he only thing this city of Democrats understands is money, file a civil suit class action lawsuit on behalf of all the officers. Especially for those who's cases were reopened illegally by copa and ipra.
Why does everyone say a "class action lawsuit"? Is it suppose to scare the city? Would it even follow the rules of civil procedure?
Anonymous said...
O.T.
2020 is the 40th anniversary of the CFD strike.....and while this is not an option for us maybe we can take a lesson from their solidarity. My kid was lucky enough to get hired and I couldn’t believe all the perks they get over our recruits. Everything is provided for them including their turnout gear and full dress blues down to their shoes! What do our recruits pay out these days when they come on upwards of 7k? When they test for promotional exams 30% of their final score is based on seniority. Extra points based on years on the job which gives you a maximum number of points at about 9-10 years. I’m retired and know that we have never really come together in the past, but if there is anything that these kids hope to salvage of this once proud profession we need to organize and act. Police work as we knew it is dead, but these kids are patrolling the same beats we once did and their situation has to improve to deal with the madness of current politics and public resentment.
Stay safe!
1/11/2020 08:38:00 PM
Unless your kid is dealing with the savages on thee west side, he’s not entitled to a goddamn thing! As a matter of fact, no new, ain’t done shit copper, should be getting ANY perks! Get some fucking time on!!!
Martin Preib, second vice president of the Fraternal Order of Police, said in an email to the Sun-Times that the judge’s ruling was “Great news for the Loevy lapdog media like you,” a reference to Loevy & Loevy, a civil rights law firm that often draws the ire of the police union"
I know it's the Sun Times, but is this guy Prieb really the best point media spokesman the lodge can get? Love it or hate it, being polite and well spoken sometimes goes a long way...especially if you can develop a professional relationship with the press like back in the day. Its like the asshole coming on scene after youve finally calmed everything down and starting motherfucking people.
You’re an idiot if you truly believe the garbage you just posted. The media hates us no matter what.
wow, I think we should take up a collection only cuz this is ridiculous...\
Stop picking on FOP they are and were just following the advice given over and over again, "be fetal".
I know it's the Sun Times, but is this guy Prieb really the best point media spokesman the lodge can get? Love it or hate it, being polite and well spoken sometimes goes a long way...especially if you can develop a professional relationship with the press like back in the day. Its like the asshole coming on scene after youve finally calmed everything down and starting motherfucking people.
----- And its people like you who clearly have no idea what the relationship currently is or are someone who is a true snowflake and think we live in a fair society.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
https://spn.org/how-to-opt-out-of-union-government-workers/
Shortly after the contract is finalized I will be ending my membership in the FOP. There is no reason to continue to pay 500+ dollars a year for absolutlely no benefit.
1/11/2020 08:04:00 PM
So what happens when some good citizen contacts COPA and registers a complaint against you or worse yet you are involved in a shooting,
who will pay for your attorney? Even those who remain fetal can be involved in an incident and may require legal representation.
To Anonymous talking about Martin Preib, he has done more in confronting stories that are factually inconsistent that portray the Department in False light than anyone. His statements are correct and on point.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The correct name is Mailbox Marilyn, for those that actually encountered her.
1/11/2020 05:00:00 PM
I saw Marilyn @ Balmoral and Sheridan with her teeth out or maybe it was her tweets out. RIP Marilyn
Your paying dues Why? Wake up fools these clowns have sold you down the river. At least Groot had the balls to call your leader what he is. A CLOWN. Stop letting them steal your money. Go in had have the automatic deduction from your checks stopped. City Hall is laughing at your union, as well they should. And yet you all wonder why there is no contract. Look in the mirror your voting brought this situation on your selves by putting these tools in charge. Popcorn time for the upcoming FOP election. Choose well it is only your future at risk.
Rich Aguliar lost the FOP election for Vice President, and was hired back by Kevin Graham, who is paying him with our hard earned dues. Question for Kevin, How much is he being paid on top of his retirement? FLOP is Joke !
They exist because the FOP wanted them to exist. Refused to see them destroyed when they had the chance. Why you Say? Follow the money or perks the FOP leaders got for not following thru on their destruction. Things like this don't happen by chance. There was a plan. Now that plan is unfolding for all to witness. Nice collaboration FOP, you too hate the rank and file of the CPD. Stop paying your dues to an organization that does not have YOUR best interests at heart. Clear enough for you all?
This is not new. The communist east Germany had this record keeping branch started in 1950-1990. The Stasi was established on 8 February 1950.[2] It functioned as the GDR's secret police, intelligence agency and crime investigation service. It grew to have around 270,000 people working for it, including about 180,000 informers, or "unofficial collaborators".[3] It was renamed the "Office for National Security" (German: Amt für Nationale Sicherheit) on 17 November 1989.[4] It was dissolved on 13 January 1990. (Stasis Records Keeping Agency).
One slate just posted that they want to run a campaign free of slinging mud . That’s all they do ! Their entire top tier live in greenhouses . If they win that’s why they will . One platform is to “ hire detectives to get dirt on aldermen and flip em . Hey Capone those days are over ! Extortion 101!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
FOP, why are you not endorsing a member of our Union for State Senator over a Fat-Cat, Arena Socialist?
1/11/2020 05:45:00 PM
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He dropped his union membership. He only re-joined fop in Sept when he decided he and his ego wanted to run for office.
So these files will result in " ... evidence of his innocence ..."
Wow. How does that work?
What does FOP say about all this????
Still waiting on more command changes
Hurry up tho cause he gotta go.
Before proceeding, one needs to know the following: (A) what documents/ information has ever been shared with other City/ State /Federal Agencies ? Do any of these agencies still have the documents? (B) what hard copy/ paper documents have been opticallly scanned and placed into digital format AND if this is accessible to any other agency? (C) is there off site/ back up/ disaster recovery storage of any documents// information?
Categorize as follows: CPD DEAD/ No cases pending: DESTROY. CPD RETIRED/ No cases pending: DESTROY. And so forth depending on status of any CPD AND whether information is currently pertinent or discoverable to any on going or pending criminal or civil cases
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anybody who does anything more than answer their calls and write paper is a fucking moron. They are trying their hardest, their very hardest, to take down any officer they can. It doesn't matter what our general orders say, it doesn't even matter what the law says, logic and reasoning are thrown out the door when dealing with these shithead loving jagoffs. Do your job correctly by the book, and be rewarded with lawsuits, suspensions, and even jail time. Fuck these people.
I completely agree with you, however coppers with less than five years are out here "playing the real police". In 024 alone you have these two year wonders racing (blue lights) to every car accident trying to turn it into a 501. That's just in one district, can you imagine these kids on tact with barley two years on at all the districts city wide? of course they're going to bend over for the bosses. We are our worst enemy, there's no unity anymore! Hell, there's no Camaraderie.
Well Martin Preib, Patrick Murray, Rick King, and Mark Tamlo all took off to campaign for retired votes in Florida. You want to bet they all cash their stipend check for this month? That left the rest of us outnumbered leaving Donahue, Dougherty and Trevino to shill for the democrats.
Little Danny Trevino's son got appointed to a judgeship opening by the democratic party. Now the kid has to run for the office to keep it. FOP endorsed Trevino's son for judge, but will not endorse a copper because Donahue takes his orders from Madigan? Dougherty has to protect his political appointment as a US Marshal. Mike Underwood, Ken Hauser, Sergio Escobedo, Carlos Salazar, and Frank Quinn all voted with Donahue because they are all on his ticket. Keep that democratic machine working for the select few.
Furthermore, Danny Trevino stood in front of the room talking about his dad being on the FOP board and coming from a "blue" family blah blah blah.
He went pale face when I informed him that he might want to not work that angle since his dad and friends didnt endorse Danny OToole.
We will be urging all voters in the 016th district tomorrow to ignore the boards ridiculous vote and vote for O'Toole.
John Catanzara
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Martin Preib, second vice president of the Fraternal Order of Police, said in an email to the Sun-Times that the judge’s ruling was “Great news for the Loevy lapdog media like you,” a reference to Loevy & Loevy, a civil rights law firm that often draws the ire of the police union"
I know it's the Sun Times, but is this guy Prieb really the best point media spokesman the lodge can get? Love it or hate it, being polite and well spoken sometimes goes a long way...especially if you can develop a professional relationship with the press like back in the day. Its like the asshole coming on scene after youve finally calmed everything down and starting motherfucking people.
You’re an idiot if you truly believe the garbage you just posted. The media hates us no matter what.
Agreed with the last post.
Preib did the police a solid in calling out the media , especially the Sun Slimes, for their complicity in forwarding their anti-police agenda. It's no secret that money is being passed under the table by certain attorneys to certain media outlets ( Sun Times, Tribune, WBEZ, Reader) to slander and excoriate the police, so these self same attorneys can sue and bully the city into hefty settlements and or judgments.
Well done, Preib.
Carlos Danger says:
Aguilar has been called a liar so many times he has legally changed his name (first, middle, last) to “That f@cking Ag-u-liar.”
1/11/2020 04:13:00 PM
++++
LMFAO
Yep, this crew from FOP voted to endorse Martwick over Sgt. Danny Otoole. Donahue and Underwood we’re behind this fucked up move. Bottom line their endorsement of this POS Martwick over a Copper shot on a search warrant and a Marine is beyond belief. They took so much heat on this move that they removed Martwicks endorsement and decided to give Martwick and Otoole a letter saying they are both highly qualified. How is this asshole Martwick highly qualified?
That ex fop member should hget all your votes for being smart enough to stop paying any dues to your thieving union. Only question touch should be asking is WHY am I still a member.
Is that Jimmy C. 10 Sector 006th district. If it is what a great copper. Worked with you in the early 90's.
Who is going to represent us in Springfield in concerns of our pensions, law and order issues and so on a liberal, left wing Arena/Berrios pal or a decorated Police Sgt, Marine who is a worker. My money is on Danny Otoole. Also he is strongly endorsed by Anthony Napolitano. Shame on Donahue and FOP.
Keep doing proactive work. Smh
Hey CW, I know you remember mailbox Marilyn
Here's the answer to the question, "why were these records even still there":
Your FOP reps, the folks in the records division, and the brass not enforcing records retentions policies.
Here's your answer to why the FOP contract provision is futile:
Any existing IA / COPA record that hasn't reached the 7 year threshold for destruction is perfectly responsive to FOIA, and that means if anyone, ANYONE, ANY citizen / journalist / blogger / activist / attorney submits a FOIA, those records will ALWAYS be out here. There is no law, for instance, that says bloggers and journalists have to destroy their copies of those records or that they ever have to be removed.
The same holds true for all case reports, arrest reports, and investigative files
Well Martin Preib, Patrick Murray, Rick King, and Mark Tamlo all took off to campaign for retired votes in Florida. You want to bet they all cash their stipend check for this month? That left the rest of us outnumbered leaving Donahue, Dougherty and Trevino to shill for the democrats.
Little Danny Trevino's son got appointed to a judgeship opening by the democratic party. Now the kid has to run for the office to keep it. FOP endorsed Trevino's son for judge, but will not endorse a copper because Donahue takes his orders from Madigan? Dougherty has to protect his political appointment as a US Marshal. Mike Underwood, Ken Hauser, Sergio Escobedo, Carlos Salazar, and Frank Quinn all voted with Donahue because they are all on his ticket. Keep that democratic machine working for the select few.
Furthermore, Danny Trevino stood in front of the room talking about his dad being on the FOP board and coming from a "blue" family blah blah blah.
He went pale face when I informed him that he might want to not work that angle since his dad and friends didnt endorse Danny OToole.
We will be urging all voters in the 016th district tomorrow to ignore the boards ridiculous vote and vote for O'Toole.
John Catanzara
1/12/2020 03:11:00 PM
guess "1000 days on the medical" Cantanzara is upset, heard he got his ass handed to him by the retirees in Florida.
Rich Aguliar lost the FOP election for Vice President, and was hired back by Kevin Graham, who is paying him with our hard earned dues. Question for Kevin, How much is he being paid on top of his retirement? FLOP is Joke !
1/12/2020 08:41:00 AM
i guess if you saved the members about $500,000 in suspension time in the last 3 years. whatever you pay him is well spent.
Ok Who am I? We will address this and send a letter, No , we will file an Unfair Labor Practice, No well , will do something, we hope!
Signed
Kevin Graham
Martin Prieb
Pat Murray
Anonymous Anonymous said...
file the law suit now, ask for a injunction to block these files from being turned over.
1/12/2020 12:12:00 AM
The files are already out in cyberspace. Do a google search of your name and see what comes up if you ever had a complaint filed against you. The judge that allowed the release should be sued for violating our contract and allowing the violation to continue! Because he’s a madigan appointment doesn’t put him above the law.
Donohue is an empty suit, or holster, take your pick put this POS out on the street. Clowns to the left and Jokers on the right pretty much describes the FOP board.
You do understand you do not have to pay dues. OK to walk away from the thieves.
They are talking about older than 7 year old records Clarence Farrow. Mon has your dinner ready in their basement.
From 2011 onward, the Chicago Reporter lists alleged Chicago Police misconduct, searchable by officer name.
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