Something is Going On Here
No way in Hell this guy comes and makes a sweeping decision lie this without some inside info:
- One of David Brown’s first moves after being sworn in last week as Chicago’s new police superintendent aims to crack down on the department’s more than $130 million a year in overtime spending.
A source said Brown made the decision during a meeting with top police brass.
“Everyone in the room was surprised that was his move,” the source said. “He decided right then and there. A bold move.”
The order, approved late Friday, requires officers to get approval from a supervisor with the rank of deputy chief or above for overtime they work after their regular shifts.
This was tried before with the Detectives and it backfired spectacularly. The clearance rates plummeted and the conviction rate bottomed out. While all this was going on, Overtime costs soared as the States Attorney had to subpoena almost triple the amount of detectives, especially in hot cases like murders where convictions are essential to keeping society safe.
You can't just hand off cases to other detectives coming in cold. Or rather, you can....if you don't want to solve killings and convict murderers.
So what happened? It's seems to be centered around 019 if the comments are any indication of a brewing scandal.
(UPDATE) By the way - Frank and Fran, you owe the Chaplains $50 since you stole this story directly from our posting a few days ago.
You can't just hand off cases to other detectives coming in cold. Or rather, you can....if you don't want to solve killings and convict murderers.
So what happened? It's seems to be centered around 019 if the comments are any indication of a brewing scandal.
(UPDATE) By the way - Frank and Fran, you owe the Chaplains $50 since you stole this story directly from our posting a few days ago.
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
79 Comments:
Well...clearance rates in the D division are already shit, so they cannot go much lower. I applaud Brown on cracking down on OT waste that's been going on mostly unchecked for decades.
Let It BACKUP
FYI. The districts are still getting overtime and allowed to work their days off
Grievance will be filed
Let’s see what tomorrow brings for narcotics. We heard there’s a big staff meeting with Deputy Chief Bradley. Does anyone know what’s going on, I herd they are being disbanded on May 1st. SCC is there any truth to that?
When David 'Blowfly' Brown learns grammar we'll
believe this is his idea. Until then think of the strings shown
for the original Godfather posters. Brown has no leverage.
Welcome back, SCC
A 5 yr old CPS student code see that
There was a Problem
The schools increased its budget by just about the same money. I don’t get much OT but I can’t see doing much when it is time to get off if they want us all not to do overtime. This job is not a 9-5.
So just what cases are getting filed by Fox that will need anyone to testify? Not one case of any subpoena’s being necessary while the people and folks are running the recidivism with no consequences show!
Even Beck from California realized we are not factory workers. (No offense to factory workers) We cannot clock out in the middle of a Domestic or Homicide investigation. We have a hard enough time dealing withe the Cook County public defenders, ooops, I mean states attorneys Office. No continuity in investigations will mean even more charges denied or CI'ed. Then again, maybe thats what Groot wants.
That means our summer weekends won’t be canceled
We can enjoy the holidays with our families
It's fine with me.
I want to go home on time.
Hold the jobs that could turn into something for the next watch.
I love the fact that the cmdr has to be called any and every time that any OT is being worked. U got a late TVB on the way in... have to call and wake the cmdr. Got a late domestic.. call the cmdr for approval. Then, the cmdr is supposed to call the deputy chief for his approval. This is spectacular. I can’t wait for them to be woken up at all hours day and night with these calls. Serves them all right for not sticking up for us and what’s right. Is there not a single cmdr with balls anymore? Tell these people what needs to be said. Not a single chief, deputy chief? All just afraid to lose their spots so they all go along with these ridiculous orders. Sad.
The Captain in 019 and his minions have been bilking the system for about 4 years now.He is obviously teflon on this issue.It was genius though taking the Civilian Timekeeper out of the equation and placing your girl there as a part time Timekeeper.
The Mayor said “they are going threw overtime like a drunken sailor “. I resent that! I work very hard for any money I earn! We are not appreciated by are employer. Who (Mayor) now feels we are not performing our job to a high enough level. Screw you Mayor! I don’t want your stinking overtime! It was the Mayor’s office who wanted us to work mandatory holidays; veterans, memorial, 4th of July and other events! Look in the mirror! Screw this job!
This is all due to the moron Captain of 019 who runs his bike team of dozens of officers who basically ride around year round doing nothing, depleting the watches. The 19 Commander is pushed around by P.K. because he used to work for him in the past and is afraid to put him in his place. Commander doesn't have the cojones to stand up to him and say "enough is enough" and boot him outta 019 for good permanently. Just ask the last two lieutenants who left 019 to go to 020 and 024 who couldn't stand his ass. He has been a thorn in the side for EVERYONE the last few years and he is like a bad STD... you just can't shake him off. BTW why does 019 even have tact and gang teams?.... After all for the last 3 months they don't even exist _(or maybe invisible)_, not to mention the last couple years. Usually driving around in the past you'd see them on jobs or volunteering for jobs or assisting beat cars.... now they are non-existent. Hmmm... maybe they are "working" from home like the Caps community policing officers.
Remember when McStreetlights came in and his bold move was to consolidate the detective areas from five down to three? How did that work out? One of the worst ideas ever by a Supt. What are we doing now? Reopening the areas which were closed down. These guys always come in with “bold” moves that consistently fail.
Brown could f-up a one car funeral.
OuttaTown Brown has got to flex those muscles. There are better ways though. I doubt that he would listen.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
So is this overtime issue about patrol division or the detective division?
However we have to admit some took way too much, caused us to be on the radar and this is the result. Just hoping the mayor has made her contribution to the pension fund as required because the Chicago Police Pension fund board cannot be reached due to the impending forensic audit that is finally going forward thanks to Ro. You can look at the Facebook page if you’d like and see how much money has been ripped off from us and how much money has not been put into the phone as required from the city hopefully some of them will be going to prison where they belong for ripping off the pension fund all these years.
We can "what if" this all day long. Police work is not a 9 to 5 job. This has been done in the past with bad results. You never bite the hand that feeds you.
Wait until some consistent Sun and 70’s , and see what happens.
We work to hard, we need to take advantage our down time and not chase that dollar. I know its hard because I do it too. The more you make the more you spend. So go ahead and cut overtime, and quit cancelling our days off then blame us for making the money.
clearance rates plummeted and the conviction rate bottomed out.
sounds like a plan.
Uncle Lightloafer better not try to act like a “drunken soldier” on Memorial Day weekend, the 4th of July, Labor Day, Bud Billikens, Pride Parade, or New Years Eve.
I’ve never complained because cancelled days off were just chalked up to coming with the territory of my assignment.
It tended to work out fairly in the end.
But if it’s not going to work out fairly for both sides, then fuck her. We don’t only do it on command when it’s convenient for the mayor.
Either we work OT or we don’t.
Pick one.
Don't forget to swipe
If he is cutting back on OT, then the Dept shouldn’t be able to fuck us and cancel our days off during the summer holidays.
Thx Judy, aka Wonder Woman
Relax, there’s no scandal in 19. It’s a whiny sergeant who didn’t have enough seniority to work OT on the weekends and a couple of POs who don’t like the old timers who did. So they’re targeting the captain and two POs. It’s BS.
Dallas Dave really knows how to make friends. The first thing he does is getting into the copper’s pocket. Another fucking genius.
The new Supe sounds like a dumb jagoff who doesn't know what the hell he's doing.
Don't give me no late jobs then
Got an idea to curb overtime. Cars in patrol stop taking calls 2 hours before the end of shift, They can use this time to catch up on paperwork, update the general orders etc. Also, this would allow them time to disinfect themselves and the cars ( If the city were ever to buy the proper equipment). No late jobs, not hot calls allowed.
There have always been scammers for overtime, who are we fooling and they usually ain’t working that hard when they’re scamming. However, the vast majority of us want to go home and go home on time, without our days off cancelled, etc. I’ve got no problem with OT being reigned in, but this DC approval isn’t going to work & it speaks just how little trust our mostly merit hack exempts have in their underlings to make a decision. My best guess is those with clout will have their OT approved- no clout...no OT for you, legit or not.
Shows where his priority is at. Not stopping the trends of violence, but saving Lori's budget - so she can spend it elsewhere.
Hello??? They don't want anyone locked up. So, stop trying.
Speaking of the CAPS Officers working from home,was just wondering as a matter of procedure,is it the CAPS Sergeant who completes a separate A and A documenting that the Officers assigned to the CAPS office are actually present and prepared for duty or does that Supervisor simply inform the Watch Secretary who is physically present?
I get that the current 019th District Commander is afraid to confront Captain Overtime but what about the 2 previous District Commanders that allowed him to proceed without intervention?How was an Officer that has the most Overtime in the District allowed to be the Timekeeper?Many questions and so few answers.A good Pandemic washes away a lot of unpleasantness.
Prepare yourself to spend the summer on crime scenes waiting and waiting and waiting...
Came to the office today. Saw a bus. An empty bus. Saw empty bus stands. It stopped at everyone. This city is so in the pocket of the labor unions it won't even adjust bus routes and accessibility although its a PROVEN FACT public transportation is one of the leading contributors to the number of COVID patients.
I like you guys, but you're going to have to get behind teachers and bus drivers apparently...
FYI. The districts are still getting overtime and allowed to work their days off
Grievance will be filed
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Not in my district. Especially with new commander who had no problem at all working ot when HE was a LT.
If the CPD is up to full staff, which I assume it is not, then $130,000,000 divided by 13,500 come out to about $9,500 per officer. I don't know the time and half rated of the average recipient of overtime, but it doesn't seem like a lot of over time to me.
My nephew, who is a lowly deputy sheriff out in California, tells me that due to difficulty of recruiting deputies they are understaffed which requires mandatory overtime. They work 12 hour shifts, so he tells me that he gets over $1,000 in OT per shift.
It sounds to me that CPD needs a larger OT budget.
I mentioned to him that CPD officers have to live in the city. He tells me that the reason they went to 12 hour shifts is so deputies can have a three day weekend every other week. That typically younger deputies commute a couple of hours each way from home because they want to live up in the "Gold Country" where they can buy a house with acreage and send the kids to good schools. They are organized in teams and each team is assigned a 12 passenger take-home van to be used for commuting. Those who choose to stay over night stay in a county owned motel. The county collects a small fee for the use of the van and the motel. The driver of the van receives compensation for driving.
I mentioned CPD and overtime. He told me that due to overtime (and I think higher base pay) typically the deputies make over $150,000 a year and some (like his uncle) made closer to $225,000. Due to overtime the highest paid county employee is a deputy. sheriff.
What do the politicians and sheriff think about these overtime rich kings and queens? They thank them for their willingness to help out where needed.
It amazes me that even though they treat you like shit, the men and women of the CPD are the only ones who go out there 24X7 and do their best to keep us safe.
If I were you I'd move to California....seems they still like cops out there.
We all have to admit that there is a TON of overtime waste in this department. I mean there is absolutely no reason to waste money everyday on the parks overtime. The old timers that do it do absolutely nothing at the parks. Extensions in the district for a few blue cards while the district is in a back log and overtime cars are held down on no jobs is a waste as well. The big problem tho lies with the specific o.t. abusers and scammers that get by with it day after day. Many of them (not all tho) are detectives who have the "photo array" and "victim interview" that can only be done conveniently an hour after their end of tour. Or the P.O.'s working in HQ getting o.t.?? How can that even be explained? We've all seen example after example. Court is a huge overtime scam where Det's and P.O.'s sit around for hours after having been excused by the A.S.A. Unfortunately this city is financially crushed after this pandemic. I just want to see the pensions funded and not lose anything in our contract. The city is going to look to make huge cuts, starting with overtime so everyone needs to prepare and start living within their means.
He is starting with crack downs on detectives , working police , crime fighters .
How about overtime on Commanders administrative staff ,CAPS Officers ?
How about misuse of manpower , too many officers assigned to caps , tactical secretary , review , commanders front office , same with Unit commanders hiding sworn officers ?
22 tactical secretaries , that could man a 3rd watch with two man cars .
shot spot room , radio room assignments , could be filled with civilians or retirees on a part time salary .
And what is the new Supe going to do when the seasonal reoccurring lead poisoning begins. He won't enjoy the weekly trip to the Mayors office to get his ass chewed. At that point the honeymoon will be over, and it will back to cancelled days off to try to keep the usual suspects from killing each other.
Brown was hired because he has the only qualification that matters to Lightfoot — he’ll do exactly what she tells him to do.
When a district starts loosing veteran officers its always because of 1 or 2 white shirts start making their own rules. A lot of veteran officers are gonna get nice checks due to PK giving OT to his small few and not offering it up to veteran officers per the contract.
Hey Brown, now look into your right hand man Riccio. He has a SERGEANT as his secretary ( his niece) and his driver is a DETECTIVE. How ridiculous is that? The media needs to know about things like this.
So is this overtime issue about patrol division or the detective division?
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The ENTIRE department.
Google "Chicago police department directives" and look at the order that came out last Friday.
Anonymous said...
However we have to admit some took way too much, caused us to be on the radar and this is the result. Just hoping the mayor has made her contribution to the pension fund as required because the Chicago Police Pension fund board cannot be reached due to the impending forensic audit that is finally going forward thanks to Ro. You can look at the Facebook page if you’d like and see how much money has been ripped off from us and how much money has not been put into the phone as required from the city hopefully some of them will be going to prison where they belong for ripping off the pension fund all these years.
4/29/2020 06:30:00 AM
Now that is an extremely interesting page, where are the feds can I come in and find out where are all the stolen money is at? Looking at how much rent they’re paying for a building in so much increases who’s getting paid off I thought we had friends at the FBI maybe United States attorney could take a look at this and give us a hand! Here is the page if anyone is interested
Chicago police pension board accountability page.
4/29/2020 06:02:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So is this overtime issue about patrol division or the detective division?
Correct Inspector General investigation on OT in 019. Captain looking out for himself and his suckholes not the company.
OT – Donors and charities bonding some violent inmates out
Willie Wilson and Jesse Jackson are bonding inmates out, along with two organizations who refuse to name the inmates they've bonded out or who their financial backers are.
In a rare piece of actual investigative journalism, two writers at the Tribune looked into the Bail Project, Community Bond Fund, Wilson and Jackson.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/investigations/ct-charities-bail-reform-cook-county-coronavirus-20200429-wgofyh4pnrdixgps76c7ck7bhu-story.html
“Because gun violence continues to plague Chicago neighborhoods, with homicides up 34% and shootings up 27% by mid-March compared with the same time last year, the Tribune also examined all felony gun bonds of $5,000 or above from October 2019 through February. The charities posted bond for more than a quarter of these defendants — a total of 50 such bonds.”
The people involved in the 019 overtime scandal are not just losing their jobs and pensions. They are going to get indicted. Attorney General is crossing their T's and dotting those i's. This is from a very very good source. Like family.
EC III has already told the Commanders not to bother him. W/C will tell the Capt, who will get approval from the Cmdr. Poof, deputies are already out of the equation. I think his dept cell should be in every dept issued phone in his Area. Let the officers call him personally at all hours to get approval. This is what the Sup wanted, right????
Maybe he just looked at the numbers and, being a management type, realized that the budget and hours are completely insane. Not just talking about the scammers. Sure, some OT is inevitable given what you do but it's pretty clear to me as an outsider that CPD leadership loves responding to its various epic strategic planning fails by shoveling OT hours. Maybe profitable for those eager to trade personal time for more money, but not an efficient, responsible, or honest way to do business.
To wit: your department is probably understaffed, but nothing's going to be done about it if they can magically produce a 2,000 cop surge on a regular basis by canceling weekends.
Some District Commanders are stating to approve OT; the lieutenant must notify the CAPTAIN.
THEN, the captain will notify the DISTRICT COMMANDER who will then notify the DEPUTY CHIEF.
NOW Captain P.K. in 019 states anytime he is notified to take action outside of his 16:00hr to 0001hr time frame between Tuesdays and Saturdays; he WILL put in for a minimum of 3 hours of OVERTIME per his Captain's Contract or he will file a grievance with the assistance of the union.
This scamming fuck is still going to make more overtime pay !!!
So is this overtime issue about patrol division or the detective division?
4/29/2020 06:21:00 AM
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EVERYONE.
Here is the order:
http://directives.chicagopolice.org/directives/data/a7a57be2-128884f1-9d212-8887-1216443f8e117f96.pdf?hl=true
Wonder what the DPD Overtime was like. I know their pension system had plenty of people bailing out early to get it while they can. Obvious our OT issue is of great resource for city hall to tap. TexCritter must have thought he was just the Supt, not the dept accountant, he’s now looking for answers.
Yellow slips matter.
The obama executive order 13684, 21st Century Task Farce policing is 6 years old now and the Madigan consent decree needs funding that y’all overtime is eating away at by chasing that elusive felony. Sanctuary can’t wait.
It was Rahm’s spending and kicking cans that lead to Larri’s budget deficit. Now it’s Larri’s Executive order spending spree, can kickin’ and denials that will be ignored by FakeNews but blame it solely on police overtime. Hey, what about that new out-of-the-way Academy Larri approved an expansion for, any hold on construction? Are the TIF reinvestment giveaways in jeopardy?
Overtime happens when incompetent upper city managers don’t manage.
Larri and entrenched pandering city leaders spend every dime they get and always demand more the next budget year.
Like COPA, is it necessary to have a $15 million annual budget or is it that they get to be in overtime mode to maintain relevance.
Manpower is just not utilized properly. Approved Budgets are being subject redistribution particularly police.
It’s always been mismanagement, and the raiding other people’s appropriations. The biggest is ours. City budget has to be submitted in Oct, right before Covid’s second coming.
Buckle up - We’re Headed to the Moon™️
(Exact fare required. Watch your step FOP, please step to the rear.)
We all know that alot of OT is useless time wasted but when specialized units want to do search warrants at the very end of thier tour and surveillance for hours past the tour is where the problem lays, then SWAT has a job during OT whichbis not thier fault but how can a PO who is assigned to the Command van vehicle team and his Sgt make over 225,000 last year and not even be working on SWAT jobs. Thanks JP and RB. And why do you 2 clowns need 3 take home cars.
There is an easy way to cut the OT but easy is too difficult for the command staff. T?he problem is with the court system. Cases go on and on for years. One continuance after another and the officers get paid for each court appearance. I am in court almost every day and I would say about 1% of my cases actually go to trial. I'm not talking about cases where they plead out, these are cases set for trial. I've had several cases last years and my longest misdameanor case, a DUI, lasted 8 years. Amazing. I got paid a handsome sum.
Also, I personally know many officers and detectives that stay signed into court all day they are there even when their case was continued after the first hour. I know guys at traffic court who check in, bring their back pack and hit downtown for hours afterward then check off around 2pm. Detectives who used to sit all day in the lunch room now sit all day in the library.
But again, the biggest problem is the cases that go on forever. I don't mind going to court every day and getting an continuance. My OT check every month is quite substantial.
I was a Detective in Area Two when they tried this years ago. They were actually pulling us off of Homicide scenes and sending out the next shift to take over. My partner and I never looked for nor abused the overtime system but worked it when required to the job effectively and efficiently. We all have different ways of taking notes (GPR's) etc. that may need some translation from the note taker to the person following up. When we were leaving after being taken off a case we would stop by the Sgt.'s office and tell him and his crew to not call us at home with questions about the case because we will not answer the phone. Needless to say the bullshit went away pretty quickly.
So you’re telling me this in-custody investigation in which I’ve only been able to watch body cameras and speak to the victim on is being handed off to third watch and I’ll be going home on time? Sounds good to me, but completely inefficient.
Diamond Dave said Randy called him from his house in lagrange and said don't worry you still won't drop below 200k a year.
Ha ha ha. You all think that Brown did this? Do you really think Brown had anything to do with that directive? Remember, our administrative sections are going to be combined working from somewhere else. That includes finance and timekeeping. THIS has nothing to do with Brown in the least. Look who is below him and in charge of that type of thing...
So oemc won't dispatch late jobs anymore? We need permission to take a late job? Sgts now have to monitor the radio? I am curious how this will work. I will do whatever they tell me.
Franny and Frankie the story thieves. Just sitting on their fat asses, feet on the desk and waiting for stories to bite them in the ass. Any negative reporting must have the editorial and appropriate of the 5th floor blessings first.
The whole Dept. is loaded with scandals. Franny, Frankie and their media pals can't find their balls to muster up exposing the shit that's been allowed by Groot, Rahm, the Daley's and other clout heavy M/Fr's. Here's a hint: Special Ed and the cover up, Fergusons big investigation, Lts. cheating test, Merit promotions for sexual favors, PO's being used for babysitting services, supervisors abusing OT, CPD Commanders on duty in 100 mph chases fleeing India State Troopers, dummy Dallas Brown and the Surge and that's just for starters. Don't forget the over 150 or so murder victims, the Red Line and bull shit Rona parties and the lock down of the Lake Front.
OK story thieves reach down and find your balls and follow up on some of these old leads that nobody thought important or just hide from the public. Can't wait for your sensational and breath-taking stories of corruption in Shit City.
Relax, there’s no scandal in 19.
It’s a whiny sergeant who didn’t have enough seniority to work OT on the weekends and a couple of POs who don’t like the old timers who did.
So they’re targeting the captain and two POs.
It’s BS.
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Huhhh..
When the Captain is "making his own hours" and pulling down over $250.000.00 @ year with overtime? It is NOT B.S. pal.
Time to consult Mrs. Demo-crat States Attorney and consider criminal charges for THEFT.
Robbery and Burglary patterns will suffer. Get ready 016 ,017,022 and 008. Investigations will suffer.
“....Court is a huge overtime scam where Det's and P.O.'s sit around for hours after having been excused by the A.S.A.”
I doubt you would know what actually happens in court or in the general life of a working policeman. I work until midnight but have to be in court at 9am on my day off. So I drive an hour there and an hour back home but you think 3 hours of pay is appropriate compensation.
Captain Kane made $29,539.03 in OT pay according to the city's Employee Overtime and Supplemental Earnings 2018 report.
Now I have no problem with making OT. Late arrest, court, DUIs, search warrants, etc....you know, stemming from actual police work.
But what does a Captain of police actually do to be making so much OT?!
Can someone enlighten me?
Captain Rank will be gone soon .
Inspector gone .
CPD needs supervisors in Districts, on the street , not an office .
9:39 PM-To answer your legitimate question-Captain Kane utilizes the resources allocated to the 019th District as his personal toy box.He rides bicycles up and down Clark and Halsted Streets harassing business owners as a group of young impressionable Officers,who should be learning their craft on midnights or in a fast paced District,mindlessly follow him around and do his bidding to earn O.T and avoid said scary midnights and fast Districts.He roams around the shores of the Lakefront on a 4 wheeler when he gets bored.He takes a brand new marked Ford Explorer with In car Camera and all of the equipment for himself as a take home vehicle.He replaces said vehicle every few thousand miles as he grabs a new one that is supposed to be assigned as a Patrol Vehicle.His hours are officially 1600-0030 Tues-Sat.Every weekend he extends his tour to 0400 Hours at Time and a Half along with authorizing Overtime for his chosen few who do what he asks without question.Just a thumbnail.It does get worse.
1980V are the biggest culprits along with Captain Candy Kane. OT is determined by seniority not only for those bike trained. Ya’ll must be hurting now that the Cubs aren’t playing. Remember when you called us “primadonnas” and “it’s time to put on our big boy pants?” Karma sucks Paulie. Although I often wondered how Judy and Bill had time for “OT on the sheets” because she works more hours than the day is long.
Did he mention without Taste of Chicago, concerts, sporting events, festivals etc. This feat of cutting down on OT is a slam dunk ?
Sounds like. Theft , do Captains get take home cars ? CTTV? If using car without authorization , will Superintendent Brown investigate ? I
Same crap he pulled as a lieutenant in TRU. He utilized the unknowing for his sweeps since more experienced-and working-policemen AND supervisors, walked the other way. Was never a ball of fire in any district he worked in and I defy you to identify anything remotely resembling real police work, or a real pinch, he ever did or made, anywhere, ever. But having his nose firmly planted in Rousell the Cowards ass certainly paid big dividends for him!
Anonymous said...
There is an easy way to cut the OT. . . Cases go on and on for years. . . I am in court almost every day and I would say about 1% of my cases actually go to trial.
4/29/2020 03:12:00 PM
Well what I'm seeing here is the WORLD's worst PO, Det. over promoted Sgt., Lt. etc . . . officer in this department. 1%, . . .1% of your cases go to trial. You have to be the worst officer in this city or you a blatantly arresting people and will soon find yourself in court. Even if you said 5 to 10% I would still laugh at you.
Do us all a favor and pack your bags and leave!
"...It's a whiny ass sergeant in 019..."
Can you be a little more specific? It's been my experience that most sergeants in 019 are whiny asses.
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