More 12s?
At some point, are the "unions" going to say, "Enough!"?
- Labor Day is my 16th consecutive day with RDO cancelled and I know that a lot of officers are doing the same....aren't there any labor laws??? How can this be legal? What's our Union doing?? And now I'm hearing this next weekend might be day off cancelled again...so am I going to have to work 26 consecutive days? This is clearly abuse, Mayor, and you should have at least that much intellect to realize it. I didn't sign up for this!
Supposedly, there was a draft order that kept the Department on 12s but gave everyone their days off....you know, treating us like actual human beings.
Carter said, "No" because (A) he's a moron (B) Groot said no and (C) everyone is afraid of getting caught short again instead of actually planning to have a quick response force available in the form of Tact teams and those Units who choose to volunteer to live outside of the Contract.
Carter said, "No" because (A) he's a moron (B) Groot said no and (C) everyone is afraid of getting caught short again instead of actually planning to have a quick response force available in the form of Tact teams and those Units who choose to volunteer to live outside of the Contract.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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12s for what? For a protest of 5 people. This shit department and incompetent leaders who have never worked a real day in their life need to get this clown show under control. Enough is enough already. We have families too. I hope to see more people leave this department and glad to see people retire. F this city and job. And hey Groot FUCK YOU and brownstain too!
That’s okay. Time due. If I can’t get time due, medical. I’ve had it with this shit. Carter is a fucking MORON!
The Reasons for 12s into end of Year? FU lori lighthead screwed up beyond repair.
Hotel occupancy ,downtown area in the 20s % last week ..break even needs at least 50%
Crain's offers this frightening info ..downtown apartment rentals drop to lowest level Since 2002.... b/c of riots/looting.
Surge in supply of Homes listed for sale in downtown area ,after looting, now at 15 months sales supply..River North Area has 12 month supply of homes for sale....Rest of Chicago has 3.1 month supply of home for sale. Chicago is the Detroit
People have to realize this is as good as it's going to get. The best and brightest that run this department have no clue what they're doing. Therefore all they can do is throw manpower and money at the problem with no real plan in place. Think about it. Forcing everyone to work 12 hours with no days off made sense when looting and rioting was occurring. But to have this as the game plan week after week is ridiculous.
Can we please get someone with military expertise who can devise troop management and institute an actual, working plan
I apologize if this has already been brought up. Does anyone feel like the Mayor may be doing this to us for a reason? We are all beat up, yet we haven’t made any major mistakes..... yet! Is she pissed were much more professional then she wants to give us credit for? Is she pissed that no one in Chicago going crazy like The Crotch in New York?
I don’t recognize more than half of the 24 or so ribbons plastered on Carters chest, up to his shoulder.
Anybody out there able to decipher that scrabble board?
If he earned them-than fine.
If not he looks like a bigger screwball than I originally thought...
Remember, the Police matter to those that matter.
Carter can go fuck himself. Go run along and help your master you sellout bitch
They are burning everyone out. Expect PTSD, depression, anxiety, suicide, alcoholism, drug abuse, divorce, domestics, family issues, and other mental illness to become on to the Chicago Police Officers. Groot and the fake leadership has screwed Chicago residents. Expect more retirements, quitting and problems on the job. So sad. I hear a bunch of police officers say the use to like the job. Now they hate the place. So very sad. I have four years to go.
How about more FUCK YOU GROOT! This bitch will go to Maine while the city is working like dogs and then smirk about it when called out? What a fucking bitch. What would happen if PO’s refused to go in? Just curious because I see no emergency that necessitates this bullshit.
Remember what the dwarf said when asked about cops working 12 hour days and RDOs cancelled and her weekend get always, “but I’m here now”. Hey Groot grab a shield and baton and hold the line day-in and day-out. This is the consequences of demoRat pols making wrong decisions early on. F U you fucking turd.
I hope so!!!! I’m on medical!!!!
If you have an issue
exhaustion is a medical type issue specially for older officers.
GO ON THE MEDICAL
keep in mind the city has been giving checks for a lot of years called duty availability. yes i do know they were just a raise that is not pensionable but they added alot of wording in the contract like notification by phone etc etc.
Again you have to take care of yourself first if you think the FOP gonna come in and save you it AINT happening the contract got us by the balls.
strange HOW you said you work all those day yet took none of your own time off.
take those weekdays off and come back on the weekend and hit the cash box.
Stress is also a medical condition but you may need a doctors note I know its to hard to get one.
Quit answering your phone on your off time. Unless you in one of those special unit and fear a good dumping.
So much for officer wellness.
I call for a simple hopefully effective protest heard it’s all the rage” 30 days Don’t swipe I know most don’t swipe in or out but if everyone doesn’t swipe we will have at least one action as One. Then maybe these unions will understand we are together as one Police. Yes big whoop but if it works no one swipes until a contract and only in never out. For attendance and that asshole who late every day after it’s on contract which is more than 10 fking percent. See the Groot is a bully but a coward one push who knows.
Ugh, the new normal has really gotten old and is completely unsustainable. Even the 2 year wonders are talking about quitting already. I’d really like to hear more from our Union regarding these work conditions. 12 hour days as the answer to everything is really ruining everyone’s quality of life.
9/11 weekend days off cancelled 12 hour days?
I have never heard of anyone disciplined for NOT showing up on a cancelled day off. If you were disciplined that would be a hell of a grievance after working excessive hours and cancelled RDO's.
Not rabell rousing, just saying. Officer's need the time off for the family and decompression. I wonder what the medical roll looks like right now. Inquiring minds want to know.
hit the medical for exhaustion
I think OSHA should be contacted. They’re all about the health and safety of workers. They’ll probably also force the city to furnish outhouses and washing stations at fixed post As well as shade and seating. There’s laws that govern this stuff and a few phone calls from the concerned troops is over due.. hell, truck drivers and pilots are limited on how many hours They can work in a day.. Even pilots who fly firefighting planes are limited and they’re battling actual deadly disasters are limited.
Don’t wait til somebody dies due to exhaustion or makes a deadly mistake.. pick up the phone and make that call.. you’re the only thing between life or death.
1st watch DOG 64 hasn't had a day off since 25 August. I am not coming in. AWOP me, do what u have to do. Haven't seen my kids in 2 weeks. Going out of town and I'm not doing paperwork to request time off on my days off. I'll take the suspension. Might be only way to get a day off anyway
Why you all hating on Carter? He is the real deal. Can’t you tell with his “awards”.
Hit the medical!
Personally, I don’t think all this defunding is going away anytime soon. This is going into the Election Day and beyond. These Bernie voters and Democrats are going to lose their minds after this landslide election. They are going to make cops tired, but financially better. I just hope marriages and kids come out ok. I just hope the Mayor pulls the plug early and disappears from everyone’s lives. The absolute worst person we could have in charge.
Speaking of Abuse... officers in 011 treated worst then shit this weekend. The rdo canceled and 3rd watch people were on foot patrol the entire tour, on side streets. The commander had strip No Parking paper signs put up on residential streets. All which happened to be around the property he owns. He ordered that ALL officers of foot have a parker and anov book, and had the LT’s driving around with a box of parking tickets passing them out. The next day at roll call there was an inspection, to make sure everyone had their ticket books. Lt, captain and commander were driving around ordering officers to write these tickets. Needless to say This resulted several Confrontations, near 10-1’s. So No RDO, 12 hour shifts and they put officers in dangerous situations, yell at them to write tickets, clear corners, block streets. And Not once did he say thank you to single person, or even drop off a single bottle of water to any officer.
I sincerely think they are especially trying to push older officers into leaving either before they hit 55 or before they max out. I also think that they want someone to snap. We are expendable if it suits the end goal.
One Day Rest in Seven (ODRISA)
Illinois state law requires that employers give employees at least 24 hours of rest in every calendar week starting Sunday and ending the following Saturday. This rest requirement does not apply to certain types of workers, including: FLSA white collar exempt employees, state and federal government workers, part time employees who work 20 or fewer hours per week, agricultural and mining employees, seasonal employees engaged in agricultural canning, and watchmen and security guards.
How about that for a load of crap.
People are going to end up divorced due to this. No joke.
Ask your wives and husbands to organize attorney support. Youre all too tired to do so. This is criminal.
Unions do two things: pick your pockets, and support the politicians that care nothing about your lives,or the lives of the citizenry.
This is going to be an uphill battle. The concerned citizens of 011 demand longer shifts; they always shout “twelve!” every time they see me.
Labor Day is my 16th consecutive day with RDO cancelled and I know that a lot of officers are doing the same....aren't there any labor laws??? How can this be legal? What's our Union doing?? And now I'm hearing this next weekend might be day off cancelled again...so am I going to have to work 26 consecutive days? This is clearly abuse, Mayor, and you should have at least that much intellect to realize it. I didn't sign up for this!
Hey the little old gray troll has your back just keep protecting her home, just remember not to sit or lean while enjoying your popcorn and coffee...
The ball is in JCat's court at this point.
You hair gels ever here of the MEDICAL ? Thats how you beat it......
Anybody contact the union about this?
Starting times change/12 hr days. Time & a half.
RDO’s cancelled. Double time
RDO’s cancelled on a holiday. Double time & a half
NEEDS TO BE IN THE NEXT CONTRACT
Never thought I would be punished for having weekends off. Worked the last four weekends. Had to beg To/From for “my RDO” to attend a family function. This is some real bs. Not to mention totally changing our start times as well. I would imagine the department has turned just about every single officer into fetal haters at this point. Good job CPD.
By the way you may want to promote some Detectives and Sgt’s because they’re dropping like flies. Just saying. What about that Consent decree that requires additional supervision? Guess that’s out the window. Funny how the agenda keeps changing. Carry on.
It’s weird. I keep reading on the blog that people are stressed and burned out due to RDO cancellations and 12 hour days. As long as we have the medical role, I’m not going to be sympathetic to those in that situation. You have a contractual right(for now), use it. If you don’t, you’re as soft as puppy shit.
Why you all hating on Carter? He is the real deal. Can’t you tell with his “awards”.
Tac ain't around at 3 am when the looting happened
It is inhumane to do this to the city’s officers. Looks and feels like punishment. CPD wife here; there is a ripple effect on us, our children and the community when these 12 hour days DONT include RDOs. With CPS starting school now, it gets even harder as families are stretched thin. But wait, CPD just rolled out a new mental health initiative- is which bullshit. Actions speak louder than words, unions please step in!!!
Lori is a lawyer. She knows the law. She would better if it is a violation.
This is Groots way of defunding the police. She is forcing people to quit then when she cuts funds whatever decent people that are left in the city won't complain because tthe department will be much much smaller.
What day of group are you? What unit? 63 was the one that got fucked, they havent had a day off since the 25th of August and will only have 1 if they cancel this weekend. The only other group that might have been fucked is the Saturday Sunday crew but sounds like they have a nice spot anyway.... like the post says if you don't like stop volunteering for units that live outside the contract. If your one of the day off groups that gets fucked and in patrol, then call your union and make them hear it. Make sure its included in our next contract.
2:59 AM
It's called attrition. They lure you in with promises of Cadillac
plan medical care and a cushy retirement.
Then they turn the tables to induce frustration and burnout.
It's the old carrot and stick routine. Why be a donkey?
Hit that medical. Doc, I've been talking to myself lately.
What worries me is that I'm answering back.
I had 38 years on the job and retired as a LT about 2 years ago. I've never seen - through my readings in the papers and here on SCC - the department so mismanaged in my life. My heart bleeds daily for the you cops.
Don't be stupid. If you're feeling burnt out, or just too tired to go to work. HIT THE MEDICAL. Your life matters.
12:34 A
They probably come from Dictator Supply Uniform Company.
A joint venture by the Castro brothers.
Eddie Johnson used their business model.
nonymous said...
People are going to end up divorced due to this. No joke.
9/08/2020 03:49:00 AM
In the long run and if this keeps going on, yes, there will be some of that. But, if your spouse divorces you because you worked too many hours this Summer, then there are greater problems going on within your marriage than you care to admit.
9/08/2020 92:18:00 AM
LMFAO. Fuck that commander, what they gonna do to you, stick you in 011 on mids, your already fucking there. Fuck them and fuck their parking tickets.
You guys should bring in OSHA or lawyer up and then go on strike due to working conditions. Add in a (true) claim that your bosses are creating an unsafe work environment. Yeah, ‘no-strike’ law, there’s also a no-abuse-employees law.
It won’t happen. Too bad: if you went out for 2 weeks (and negotiated behind the scenes to prevent the Guard from getting activated until the last day or 2) you’d give the city a great choice: Finish self-immolation so things can change (maybe), or pinch themselves and decide that they want law not anarchy.
“They want someone to snap.” Shame if that was the Mayor’s and also AG’s security details.
If this continues into next weekend and beyond then the FOP/PBPA need to step up as unions and start doing something. I appreciate the fact that J.C. wants to see Trump re-elected but this guy needs to start doing the job he was elected to do and stop worrying about the presidential election. Other than the mass violence/riots/looting from the 4 or so days at the end of May and start of June, there has been no emergency. I have never seen so many officers at the mental breaking point as I've seen lately. Officers are absolutely exhausted and the family/personal lives of many are in shambles. Not to mention the absolute waste of taxpayer money to have all of us sitting around in front of closed businesses week after week doing nothing. There has been no f#$@g emergency going on to keep continuing with this crap. FOP, PLEASE DO something!
Here is a suggestion from the retired ranks. Work all that OT they throw your way. It won't be available forever, soon there will be almost no OT . Take that money and max out your deferred comp., see a financial advisor and identify other places you can stash that money.
Normally I advise young cops to buy back their military time, but I don't think investing in your retirement system is such a good idea.
Don't buy a new truck, or that vacation house. Take the money you can't shelter and follow Warren Buffetts advice for people like us and put it into index funds.
Sounds like your city pension is not going to be what you expected. Does anyone really think that gambling and dope sales are going to fund a pension fund? The profit from the dope sales will be plowed back into rehab programs for the new gambling and dope addicts.
The democrats don't need your voting block and so they hate you. They are not going to raise taxes give you a gold plated retirement when so many of "the community" have no retirement at all. (Of course, if you don't work, why would expect a retirement? Ghetto privilege I guess.) We are going back to the old days when retired cops were expected to get a night watchman job to survive.
Take this gift and do something with it.
You need to take care of yourself on and off the streets.
Hit the medical and cite exhaustion as the reason it’s a legitimate condition per the DSM. If I were still on the job that would be my way out.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I sincerely think they are especially trying to push older officers into leaving either before they hit 55 or before they max out. I also think that they want someone to snap. We are expendable if it suits the end goal.
9/08/2020 02:59:00 AM
I agree, but the reality is that anyone that actually leaves will be the ones improving their quality of life.
That's what the medical is for! If you are feeling exhausted, mentally drained or whatever the case is just do it. This city does not care about you or your family we are nothing but an employee number. Worked 16 straight and plan on hitting the medical if we are back on 12's this weekend or any the next few months. Screw this job
Don't worry in between appearances on fox news and random bbqs the Fop is all over this.
Anonymous said...
People are going to end up divorced due to this. No joke.
9/08/2020 03:49:00 AM
This is not a flippant comment. My wife is fed up with this shit and the kids are acting out because I’ve been gone.
Hell even a truck driver can only log so many hours before they reach their maximum and can’t work no more. Perhaps we should have a limit put on paper. If it’s too dangerous for a truck driver to log all those hours - imagine an overworked emotionally exhausted cop who’s out there with a gun. Not safe.
They obviously do not have a plan and this reaction is like dropping an atomic bomb to destroy an ant hill. Meanwhile the only thing Babs is worried about is having your nameplate on so you and your family can be doxxed by the commies.
How many days without a fair contract?
For all of you so excited about this o.t money you know come tax time your going to get screwed hard by the tax man. Your going to end up having to pay a lot of it back. The o.t is not worth it. Some boss needs to say enough.
Were there no riots this weekend? Outsmarted by the organizers?
It’s a shitty set of circumstances being ordered to work 16 days in a row for 12 hour stints...plus the non-paid bullshit ghetto travel time to and from.
Aches and pains need treatment, you should be wise enough to figure how to deal with that beyond a tub soak in eucalyptus.
If FOP doesn’t already have a labor attorney on this matter I’d be surprised, even if it’s for additional compensation above the Contract manipulation by Larri’s Sanctuary City law department.
If the City allows and encourages disorder, they’re allowed to extend working hours on “what-ifs” and then judge YOU for lack of probable cause, compassion or tolerance?
FU
L L
2 choices, medical or IOD, fuck this city
Why would Carter refuse to give the troop s a day off. Im sure it doesn't matter to him, whether he gets a day off or not. It's not like he works hard anyway, but the troops do work extremely hard each and everyday, for this once great City.My God, gives the Officers a day off, so they could regroup.
Mini Mayor Groot didn't cancel her days off? Oh I forgot she went on VACATION (to Maine?) while the city went to shit!
Eric Carter is a complete failure who runs around with a chest full of medals which were not earned, justcheck on it SCC. It may not seem that relevant but as a true leader you lead by example. He is clueless as to how to manage anything. He has an administrative staff that is completely useless too. I don't know how he got that spot but it should never had been given to him. He cares nothing about the troops.
Please don't hit the medical for stress!! They can pull your FOID card. They did this to a friend. Then they will have you see a shrink!! Don't believe me just ask around, maybe FOP.
Just like all the COVID restrictions and "orders" from our city and state dictators; it's all bullshit. You can kiss my ass with these unnecessary 12hour shifts and days off cancelled. Fuck your proven useless masks too
If you’re not smart enough to use the medical, no sympathy. Stop letting the dept abuse you and get over your Stockholm syndrome. STOP SHOWING UP AND CALL IN. It is the ONLY move.
As bad as it is here what do you think those coppers in Portland are going through? They are over 100 days of violent protests. They are in worse shape than we are and if probably won't be getting better any time soon for them.
Reply to; Anonymous said...
People are going to end up divorced due to this. No joke.
9/08/2020 03:49:00 AM
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Maybe you need to re-evaluate your life and your family situation. Are you willing to give up your marriage, family, mental health and possessions to remain at a job that treats you like shit? Your future and health is at risk already. If you’re willing to let this job cause a divorce, you’re a selfish fool. You need to look for other employment opportunities..
There’s lots of federal law enforcement jobs around the country. US Border Patrol is always hiring and the pay and benefits are good.. Chicago is getting flushed so why stick around?
You know how many people in the restaurant, hotel, bar industry who are struggling to make it right now would gladly work 12 hrs for time and a half to catch up on their bills. This is once in a career overtime because the city made a mistake. Labor Day overtime cost them roughly 6-8 million in overtime and that’s for one day of OT. If your sick stay home ! Not that hard guys. Bank this money for your family and kids and take them on a nice vacation after OCT 1, NOV 1 paydays. Keep your mind and body sharp.
Now I’m sending kids to catholic schools and building college funds lots of hours but all about families future! Now is that pension being funded lazy Larry? Just axin! Oh and fuck You Larry/Lori Groot!
Union want to speak up at all ? Been awfully quiet
FOP NEEDS to address this issue in the new FOP contract!!!!!
Newsflash. No one cares about you. Mayor, bosses, FOP, community. No one.
Speaking of Abuse... officers in 011 treated worst then shit this weekend. The rdo canceled and 3rd watch people were on foot patrol the entire tour, on side streets. The commander had strip No Parking paper signs put up on residential streets. All which happened to be around the property he owns. He ordered that ALL officers of foot have a parker and anov book, and had the LT’s driving around with a box of parking tickets passing them out. The next day at roll call there was an inspection, to make sure everyone had their ticket books. Lt, captain and commander were driving around ordering officers to write these tickets. Needless to say This resulted several Confrontations, near 10-1’s. So No RDO, 12 hour shifts and they put officers in dangerous situations, yell at them to write tickets, clear corners, block streets. And Not once did he say thank you to single person, or even drop off a single bottle of water to any officer.
Welcome to 003, this is always the case.
Is FOP filing a lawsuit? Is anyone starting a class action lawsuit to stop this abuse? It’s unsafe, it’s unhealthy, it’s a labor law violation. Somebody help!
What’s a good reason to hit the medical? Back?
Tickets! Get your picnic tickets for next year...tickets!
There you go, the fLop has spoken. It’s not like those clowns are working 12s.
011 is a complete joke. We are spread all over the district without washroom or even water. Commander and captain have zero people skills and all they do is walk by you and give you dirty look. They are incapable to relate simplest thing to the blue shirts; all they do is wishper to each other ears then jump on LT to work people even more. Have mercy on 011 and Promote them already.
I don’t recognize more than half of the 24 or so ribbons plastered on Carters chest, up to his shoulder.
Anybody out there able to decipher that scrabble board?
If he earned them-than fine.
If not he looks like a bigger screwball than I originally thought...
Remember, the Police matter to those that matter.
Cater spent his tact years at the movie theater and sleeping
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/6/30/21308388/chicago-new-fair-workweek-ordinance
what happened to fairness in work scheduling for CPD?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I call for a simple hopefully effective protest heard it’s all the rage” 30 days Don’t swipe I know most don’t swipe in or out but if everyone doesn’t swipe we will have at least one action as One. Then maybe these unions will understand we are together as one Police. Yes big whoop but if it works no one swipes until a contract and only in never out. For attendance and that asshole who late every day after it’s on contract which is more than 10 fking percent. See the Groot is a bully but a coward one push who knows.
9/08/2020 12:51:00 AM
Ok Mr.Tough guy so what happens when we work overtime in those 30 days and you are checking the boxes and come to (able to swipe) what do i pick ??
That’s what I thought.
Anonymous said...
One Day Rest in Seven (ODRISA)
Illinois state law requires that employers give employees at least 24 hours of rest in every calendar week starting Sunday and ending the following Saturday. This rest requirement does not apply to certain types of workers, including: FLSA white collar exempt employees, state and federal government workers, part time employees who work 20 or fewer hours per week, agricultural and mining employees, seasonal employees engaged in agricultural canning, and watchmen and security guards.
How about that for a load of crap.
9/08/2020 03:38:00 AM
This is also why you have a 6th & 7th day provision in your contract.
Maybe I'm wrong but isn't duty availability for instances like NATO, 9/11, the recent riots, world series, super bowls, etc. Unique events where changes of shifts and or cancelled days off are needed to stop or prevent specific articulable circumstances where officers' change in shifts are, for a limited time, needed?
It seems as if the city/dept. is violating the contract by implementing a work schedule that disregards our agreed upon 4-2 (9 hr) schedule. They are mandating 12 hour shifts on random weekends, and days off being cancelled for those day off groups affected each weekend where no identifiable unique events have been articulated.
One more thing, has Cantazara addressed this recently? He was very vocal about this initially, filing motions against the city but I haven't seen anything recently from him.
8:09 AM. greater problems
Now there you go again, ripping off Dave Ramsey.
Coppers turn it around. BLM goes around yelling "f__k 12!"so can the police!
Cook County can come in and police Chicago. That is what Camden NJ did - they "defunded" and ended up with something like Monterey Security standards...fewer and lower-paid ofc. &c. There is a lot of info on this. Doesn't work too well. "Send them to pass out candy bars."
In other news, an association of left-wing organizations is currently planning out strategies for what they believe would be a political dogfight should Joe Biden win November's election by a small margin.
The group, comprised of more than 50 groups, including MoveOn, Color of Change and the American Federation of Teachers, calls itself the Fight Back Table and recently launched their Democracy Defense Nerve Center.
Expect more 12 hour days in future. Note the American Federation of Teachers in there to stir it up. And how just how much of ones property tax goes to the rotten school system in this city.
There has to be the 21 day rule. 21 x 12 hours = 22nd day off! (fatigue day)this is plain nonsense groot want to be the next city on the list. She is a piece of shit.
Answer sell out Sgt the word is “Detailed in the Field “ WTF have you been putting on your slips aashole we don’t get a lunch or personal
11 is hell on earth! not because of residents but because of supervisors. Scc you could run the blog for two weeks just on stories of the shit 1100 & 1100X pulled this weekend
08:36AM
An idiot with a plan can beat a genius without a plan.
-Warren Buffett
Stop complaining....you have a choice. Hit the medical. Mental and physical exhaustion.
If I worked in 011 and had to do parking enforcement around the ghetto HUD properties belonging to cmdr. spencer I would let the fine citizens know why they were getting a ticket and which properties are to blame.
Wise Old Fox...
When I signed up I wasn't aware that this job was pretty much being a kid working in a Third World Nike sweatshop.
'Maybe I'm wrong but isn't duty availability for instances like NATO, 9/11, the recent riots, world series, super bowls, etc.'
Your wrong. Duty availability was a shift differential. It turned into to a non-pensionable and not used in non-flsa overtime calculation pay raise for everyone. The city gave everyone a raise without increasing ot costs and pension costs (city has to contribute if pensionable).
I know duty availability is now pensionable, but this was "bargained for" in contract negotiations or arbitration. The inspector general and elected officials can "change" the narrative as much as they want, us old-timers learned the truth from old-timers when we started.
This is also why you have a 6th & 7th day provision in your contract.
No, you only have this provision because it was bargained for - the benefit of the bargain.
Keep it up, I’m trying to defund this police department $$$$
Maybe POs should seek advice from Lebron James on how to enforce the law while near the brink of complete exhaustion
"Anonymous said...
I apologize if this has already been brought up. Does anyone feel like the Mayor may be doing this to us for a reason? We are all beat up, yet we haven’t made any major mistakes..... yet! Is she pissed were much more professional then she wants to give us credit for? Is she pissed that no one in Chicago going crazy like The Crotch in New York?
9/08/2020 12:27:00 AM"
You're waking up and your intuition is correct. IMO, Larri 2 Leftfeet is taking her orders from her fellow socialist-communist comrades in power in Washington, DC and the demoncrat-socialist-communist handlers that control DC, (the money guys). The agenda has multiple goals, one of which is to directly and indirectly allow anarchy and chaos prompting passive defunding of the police through attrition. She isn't intelligent enough to make the agenda, but she is competent enough to enact the anti-American policies within Chicago her political masters are demanding.
"Anonymous said...
If you have an issue
exhaustion is a medical type issue specially for older officers.
GO ON THE MEDICAL
keep in mind the city has been giving checks for a lot of years called duty availability. yes i do know they were just a raise that is not pensionable but they added alot of wording in the contract like notification by phone etc etc.
Again you have to take care of yourself first if you think the FOP gonna come in and save you it AINT happening the contract got us by the balls.
strange HOW you said you work all those day yet took none of your own time off.
take those weekdays off and come back on the weekend and hit the cash box.
Stress is also a medical condition but you may need a doctors note I know its to hard to get one.
Quit answering your phone on your off time. Unless you in one of those special unit and fear a good dumping.
9/08/2020 12:44:00 AM"
Duty Availability IS pensionable. You're welcome.
" Anonymous said...
I sincerely think they are especially trying to push older officers into leaving either before they hit 55 or before they max out. I also think that they want someone to snap. We are expendable if it suits the end goal.
9/08/2020 02:59:00 AM"
Commonly known as defunding the police.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is also why you have a 6th & 7th day provision in your contract.
No, you only have this provision because it was bargained for - the benefit of the bargain.
9/08/2020 08:10:00 PM
Sixth and Seventh workday is basically worthless in these recent situations because they’re only canceling weekends. May and June plenty of people made out with it, but not much recently. Seems great at first glance, but when they’re already paying you time and a half, There no benefit.
" Anonymous said...
nonymous said...
People are going to end up divorced due to this. No joke.
9/08/2020 03:49:00 AM
In the long run and if this keeps going on, yes, there will be some of that. But, if your spouse divorces you because you worked too many hours this Summer, then there are greater problems going on within your marriage than you care to admit.
9/08/2020 08:09:00 AM"
100% spot on. Yes the job is tough on marriages, but it's also an easy "excuse" for deeper marital issues.
"Anonymous said...
Here is a suggestion from the retired ranks. Work all that OT they throw your way. It won't be available forever, soon there will be almost no OT . Take that money and max out your deferred comp., see a financial advisor and identify other places you can stash that money.
Normally I advise young cops to buy back their military time, but I don't think investing in your retirement system is such a good idea.
Don't buy a new truck, or that vacation house. Take the money you can't shelter and follow Warren Buffetts advice for people like us and put it into index funds.
Sounds like your city pension is not going to be what you expected. Does anyone really think that gambling and dope sales are going to fund a pension fund? The profit from the dope sales will be plowed back into rehab programs for the new gambling and dope addicts.
The democrats don't need your voting block and so they hate you. They are not going to raise taxes give you a gold plated retirement when so many of "the community" have no retirement at all. (Of course, if you don't work, why would expect a retirement? Ghetto privilege I guess.) We are going back to the old days when retired cops were expected to get a night watchman job to survive.
Take this gift and do something with it.
You need to take care of yourself on and off the streets.
9/08/2020 08:36:00 AM"
You aren't a retired Chicago police officer. You're a troll. Fuck you and your gift.
"Anonymous said...
As bad as it is here what do you think those coppers in Portland are going through? They are over 100 days of violent protests. They are in worse shape than we are and if probably won't be getting better any time soon for them.
9/08/2020 11:00:00 AM"
Absolutely correct in your analysis. Seems to be quite a few posting who don't have an awareness that many police officers in other jurisdictions have it 1000% more difficult, Portland being a good example as well as DC.
Ok Mr.Tough guy so what happens when we work overtime in those 30 days and you are checking the boxes and come to (able to swipe) what do i pick ??
That’s what I thought.
9/08/2020 02:48:00 PM
I haven’t swiped since January. And every OT slip I check the Yes for “able to swipe.” Haven’t heard shit about it. No ones checking because no one cares.
That SUCKS
Welcome to 003, this is always the case.
9/08/2020 12:52:00 PM
Ha! I was thinking the same thing and I haven't been in 003 in 5 years
Hit the medical for 3 days. Do it during the week between these silly ass 12 hour days. It’s a legit reason to be tired, just don’t be stupid during that time off. Give this department zero reasons to fuck with you. Stay home, sleep, order a nice dinner in with the family...don’t Care if you have to do it once every month until these bosses knock it off. Rest, rest, rest! You need it to function properly. It’s all legit! Then come back and fill out those overtime slips!
Time to talk her language: Our argument lies in the legal/contractual definition of “ Emergency” . Without the elements of an emergency, this Overtime needs to be voluntary or part of a pre-determined job requirement on a detail/specialized unit. (as in, previously spelled out in the nojo)!
As for the rest of us, regular Patrol Officers-on a watch-in rough districts, we are getting fucked!!! We are seeing more than 12 hours most days. Its been an operational/logistical disaster eliminating 3rd watch in cars.. it wasnt spelled out in a nojo and We don't have our weekends and nice spots waiting for us on the flip side ., FOP MAKE IT VOLUNTARY ONLY, ASAP !!
If anyone can get documentation to the union that the department is planning on continuing this nonsense, it will be tremendously helpful in negotiations and in the effort to show that this is not a emergency mobilization, but a routine schedule.
This is also why you have a 6th & 7th day provision in your contract.
No, you only have this provision because it was bargained for - the benefit of the bargain.
No this wasn't bargained, there was a lawsuit filed by the FOP Lawyers, so that is why we have the 6th and 7th day provision in the contract. But, we still lose if the 6th and 7th day lands on your RDO's. You will only get time and a half, even though the 6th and 7th day is your RDO's cancelled. So, the city still wins. The city never bargained with the FOP regarding the 6th and 7th day, they had to be told by a Judge during the lawsuit. The city has not bargained fairly with the FOP since the Daley era and that wasn't even very fare bargaining during the Daley era either. Rahm and Lori just do not even try to be fair. We are in serious trouble with Lori, she is a pure hater.
You forgot to mention option 1A / because Carter is an asshole.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If anyone can get documentation to the union that the department is planning on continuing this nonsense, it will be tremendously helpful in negotiations and in the effort to show that this is not a emergency mobilization, but a routine schedule.
9/08/2020 11:58:00 PM
Your evidence is on The Wire. Brown’s last video message basically said to expect this stuff up until and through the election.
Two magic words for the medical "stomach flu"
Starting times change/12 hr days. Time & a half.
RDO’s cancelled. Double time
RDO’s cancelled on a holiday. Double time & a half
^^^^^^^^^^^
This, as well the ability to take all cash on a canceled holiday. Also, no reset on Sundays after 6th and 7th workday. Everything after 6 is time and a half.
RH
Able to swipe does not ask did you swipe. It asks were you able to swipe and the answer is yes I was able to swipe but if you’re asking did I swipe the answer is no, I’ve not swiped since March. Now pay me.
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