Sign the Petition
The Police Board is trying to fire the Officer involved in the Toledo shooting where known gang bangers were shooting at cars and fled with a gun. They were observed on video with a gun and by responding officers with a gun. This is not in dispute.
The "dispute" comes in when Toledo turns with the gun in his hand toward the police while simultaneously covertly attempting to toss the gun in such a way that his hand motions were partially hidden by the fence (our interpretation) . Motions that would be interpreted by a reasonable police officer (the legal standard by the way) of being a direct threat to the police officer involved.
We're not talking about tenths-of-a-second. We're talking about hundredths-of-a-second.
In any event, there's a petition in support of the Officer at this link here.
Go sign it please.
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
74 Comments:
It’s a railroad job. F this corrupt department.
Stay strong E.S!
Rumor that mayor BlowJob is dumping shotspotter in the next couple months. Bonafide shots fired calls will decrease in essence reducing crime.
Exactly why we need to get these decisions out of the police boards hands and into an unbiased, untainted 3rd party that just plain and simple gives us a fair shake. There is no reason this officer should be going thru this.
An extremely hard charger that I know shut it completely down after what happened to stillman. Said he’ll never do an ounce of proactive police work again. I haven’t seen him make even a single traffic stop since. I don’t blame him one bit. Very surprised the whole department didn’t do the same.
Sick
This shouldn't be happening. The officer should not be facing dismissal or ANY action.
The message this sends is scarry.
There's no question this was a legitimate shooting. I'd prefer the older gangbanger have ended up dead but that didn't happen.
I've watched videos of wrongful police involved shootings. This wasn't one of them. It's not even a close call.
Firing a weapon at zero dark thirty, running and turning while the gun was in hand is not conducive to a long life with minimal contact with the police.
This is a bullshit decision.
The officer’s actions were reasonable and justified especially in that timeline when one has only a couple of seconds to act. Those who judge have all the time in the world to make decisions and are often influenced by public pressure commonly referred to as mob justice.
Old time retiree here. I know there was a benefit for this officer. I live out of state. How can I contribute and ensure this officer will receive my donation?
Thank you.
Donated and Signed. Done and Done.
Little boy should have been home in bed and not running the streets with known bangers as for the cop looking like he is going to get whacked
He spared the city a future hell by this cretin. You guys need to learn to negotiate settlements. The criminals get them. You want me out, here's my number to leave, otherwise keep trying....
Signed. Screw them. I rarely put my name on anything, but this one I have zero problem...
Retired in Texas….
Been involved in 2 shootings in 30 year career. The officer acted reasonably and within department standards.
How can a body of clowns pass judgement when they have never ever done this job?
Signed/donated
Be safe out there
Eric, if you're reading this, make sure you sue the fuck out this asshole department, city, and the bosses who fucked you over. Make sure you sue every news station for slander on this bias justified shooting. Make generational wealth and don't do a fucking thing once you get rich. Invest it all away so you can enjoy this bs you endured you should have never been in.
Fuck the city retired in 2004 with 23 years on the job 20 and out boys !!!
How would Mayor Camel teeth feel if one of these bangers like Adam Toledo shot at his black wife and black children on their way to soccer?
Shit head had the time to throw the gun away during the time he was running down that alley.
You know this was a legit police involved shooting because Kim Foxx did not prosecute him. As result of her office not prosecuting she instead implored Lul Larry to impose the no foot pursuit policy. This city is pure garbage.
Just like that police shooting by Laramie and Addison. Cops chased a gangbanger with a gun, fleeing from the police.
Doesn't matter if he's holding a weapon or not. JVD
Remember this the next time you’re sitting in the Academy for Consent Decree mandated training and they are spewing all that nonsense about how you will be judged when using force. BS
I'm not a cop. I’m a citizen that supports you 100%. I've got many CPD friends.
I’ve been on this blog for over 10 years reading it daily, even making contributions with stories and info to SCC via email. (During the pause when the blog was down. It was truly depressing. I’m so glad it’s back up.)
I know you can’t protest by not showing up at work. (Although I understand the blue flu approach and I wouldn’t blame you one damn bit.) But, respectfully, if you guys sit by and do nothing and let this happen without letting your voice be heard, without protesting, without showing some form of dissent, then I’m disappointed with you. I signed the petition, but that's not enough.
And I'm not just talking out of my ass. I’ll be there with you. Other citizens will too, because this is not just an attack on officers. This is not just an attack on Eric, (who I’ve corresponded with, letting him know he had my support). This is an attack on lawful, good, law-abiding citizens.
So I’ll be there with you when you show up at City Hall or at CPD headquarters or the police board meeting and stand with you. I’ll walk the streets with you when you protest. Whatever the hell you do I (and MANY of us) are with you.
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substantially elevate the severity and sentences for a variety of violent crimes including carjacking,
prohibits unlawful homeless encampments,
explicitly approves the use of force by property owners or renters to remove squatters or trespassers,
empowers the state Attorney General to sue any that decline to enforce that law (e.g., sanctuary cities),
requires homeless shelters to prohibit resident individuals from the use of drugs or alcohol and require that they consent to mental health conditions and refrain from criminal activity,
allows for the institutionalizing of individuals without requiring proof of criminal conduct,
tightly restricts the ability of "charitable bail organizations" to bail out violent criminals,
strengthens the ability of retail establishments to use force to detain shoplifters and organized theft rings,
provides criminal and civil immunity to shoplifters who lawfully use force to stop shoplifters,
defines reckless endangerment with a firearm as a "violent offender" crime for which probation or parole is tightly constrained,
expands the definition of terroristic threatening to include any building and any gathering of 3 or more persons,
mandates that school employees report to police certain violent acts or firearms possession by students,
expands the definition of "serious physical injury" for certain domestic violence offenses (including "dating" relationships),
greatly increases the penalties for flight from the police,
... and much, much more!"
It's on video and they still can't get it right. That's because the politics clouds the objectivity and decisions are made which are not based on prima facie evidence.
When will this witch hunt end for this poor guy. Little homicide was a pos who got what he deserved.
Fuck Toledo. Little piece of shit
If Chicago is stupid enough to fire Officer Stillman, there are many western suburb departments that would welcome him to the force.
Stop at every stop sign and traffic red light when responding to shots fired unless it’s a 10-1, don’t do proactive police work unless you live in that district. They will take your pension and lock you up,fuck this place!
Maybe the officer should turn the table and sue the Toldeo family for stress/PTSD and the kid was a minor..why was he out after curfew? and with gang members? wheres mommie and daddy to make sure he was home...thats parental negligence! Officers need to play by the same rules as the offenders...we are victims too and should sue the families like they sue!!
To all you hard chargers and tact. Keep up the good work, the city has your back!
I signed it but seldom do these change.org petitions help, especially when the fix is in.
Human reaction time is measured in half seconds or more.
Between the time anyone sees, "He threw the gun away, Don't Shoot!," and now your trigger finger not pulling the trigger (stopping the pull of the trigger is a good half second to 3/4 of a second.
The stupid punk killed his own self.
The world sleeps just a little bit safer with Adam Toledo in a hole in the ground.
Can someone out there explain why an officer responding to a call of shots fired, is now thrown under the City bus because he was placed in a No Win situation? The loss of life is bad enough! But the Loss of an Officer after we trained him to make that decision in a split second? All this accomplished is to make the rest of the Department members fearful of making that decision? And the Defund the police heretics win and the City and its residents lose!
Retired with 32 years and cannot see how this will get better without more losses?
OT SCC, The other night I was sitting in a neighborhood establishment when I over heard a male white bald guy boasting how many officers he has fired from CPD! It was later I learned he was from a unit downtown! Who was this goof? And why has he not been dealt with? If this is the leadership CPD has now, you can expect him to reach Superintendent soon?
So sad this guy has to notch his gun on other Officers!
So glad I retired 4 years ago.
Shot Spotter is Racist 99% of shots fired calls are Black or Brown.
Politics…. Ruins everything
Shame a P.O. put in that position.. but as my old GrandFather ,retired CPD said .. if someone a pointed a gun at him.. that creature will do that to ordinary unarmed citizens,, offender needed to be taken out
Is the hearing and decision on hold because of the arbitration ruling and the lack of Johnson to knock out the ruling. I guess he was going to try and pass it but pulled the bill because he couldn’t get the required votes
I agree that the officer did nothing wrong, but unfortunately in this city they would rather protect and canonize these little jagoffs than back the police and explain the entire narrative of how this kid was a Latin King gangbanger out at 0200 hours firing a gun at a passing vehicle. This is why you should think twice before you engage in proactive policing. I used to love doing police work , but as time goes on you see no one gives a fuck about any of this stuff. They would rather you not do proactive police work because you are at risk of being a national headline. If you’re a hard charger you may want to pump the brakes and sit on your hands.
A reminder that the Commie politicians will hang us for the sake of votes and to pander to the ghetto ass community.
This officer-involved shooting was reasonable and proportional based on the totality of circumstances yet Officer ES is being subjected to the most vile Leftist justice system.
Justice and restitution shall be his in the end.
I'm so glad I'm retiring and leaving shithole Illinois to a nice red, right thinking state!
Any video used to evalute anything must be viewed at 1x speed, aka recorded real time.
Frame by frame is only valid for identification/clarification of physical/geometrical details, not perceptions during real time occurence.
Speculations derived from this real time viewing are also flawed as position of video capture device is not ever upon the forehead of the one wearing it. And that still is only an approximation of pov of two functioning human eyeballs, located in their normal positions relative one to the other.
Even pov porn videos have a more valid video representation of recorded events.
Plus, the mild fisheye lense also distorts the value of pov.
Real time, 1x viewing is the only valid usage, with the resulting evaluations being still less than accurate to the there and then decision sequence.
After the event evaluations are dubious enough, without the expected bias from a variety of tainted sources.
The politically imposed diminishments of acceptance of harsh but accurate realities reduces the tasks of police to less than bare minimum to provide anyone of our city, county and state populace with better than a report well after the fact events, and an inaccurate report at that. Rendered even more inaccurate by alternative deceptive interpretations.
The deceitful deceive as the victims grieve.
It's the democrat pattern.
Toledo could have dropped his gun in the street the second the police pulled up and ordered him to. Toledo could have stopped running,dropped his gun in the alley and put his arms up in the air, each and every time the police ordered him to.
Toledo chose not to. Toledo chose to keep running away in search of the perfect structure. He knew he would toss his gun behind that structure and swiftly turn with his hands up in the air, to give the illusion of "why you chasing me cop, I ain't got nothing on me."
The officer did absolutely nothing wrong. In fact, my first take on the video was the officer did everything right. I was proud of his actions before, during, and after the shooting.
He should be promoted not fired.
Anonymous said...
Little boy should have been home in bed and not running the streets with known bangers as for the cop looking like he is going to get whacked
1/26/2024 05:08:00 AM
I’m sorry, when you say: Little boy, you’re obviously referring to “Lil Homicide”correct?!!!!
OT: Great work there Chicago
https://x.com/Chicagos_Toast/status/1751016064748515577?s=20
Little Homicide comes from a Latin Queen Why do you think His nick name is little Homicide? He made his bones early.
Did they put his gang nickname on his tombstone “Little Homicide”.
Well if this doesn't turn on a bulb in your hard charging little brains, not sure what will. Answer calls 19P and go home. You do 99% things honorably and that 1% millisecond reaction/reflex lands you fired or indicted. Meanwhile, desk dollies and kneee pad Joes are away from inclement weather getting ducs and merit promos until the pension exit. There's a reason there's a vehicle and foot pursuit...don't due jack (literally), rinse and repeat. Unfortunately, he will be another scapegoat where the "bosses" that patted and encouraged him for years for his outstanding work will be absent and won't be next to him at the hearing or criminal courts. They land softly into a promo or retirement.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
To all you hard chargers and tact. Keep up the good work, the city has your back!
1/26/2024 09:03:00 AM
Plenty of idiot number chasing coppers, they deserve everything that comes at them. I have absolute no sympathy for them when they get what they get when they've seen everything hyperpoliticalized in the city, state, county, congressional and federal level on helping the bad guys out while making SURE every/any cop gets jail time to include civil punishments for doing their job. These idiot coppers, they look down at the beat cops like we're the one's who are stupid. Na. We aren't stupid to what dumbshit you all produce/chase on duty. You will look more stupider when they hit you with jail time, assets forfeited and your wages garnished all for "I saw the car flee. I had to stop them!". Don't you fucking dare ask for benefit tickets at roll-call or your "colleagues" on the watches ya inbred soup sandwich shit stain child.
13 yr old 'banger out after curfew with a gun... shots fired from the shotspotter... kid sees the cops, takes off. Told to stop multiple times, told to drop the gun multiple times.
So when this POS turns around with the gun in his hand and gets shot, I have ZERO FUCKS TO GIVE.
Good riddance.
If anyone ought to be blamed, it's the parent(s)... The cop should get a free box of ammo, a cleaning kit, and a medal. Then give him 30 days off paid to recover from this traumatizing incident.
Cop should consider suing the shit out of the fambily too for even putting him in such a position.
Somebody please tel me Hein really isn’t going to get a chief spot. He will ruin it more than anyone else.
OT: Gee, this was totally unexpected *facepalm*
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/members-of-feared-venezuelan-gang-tren-de-aragua-are-in-chicago-authorities-say/3338210/
Anonymous said...
OT SCC, The other night I was sitting in a neighborhood establishment when I over heard a male white bald guy boasting how many officers he has fired from CPD! It was later I learned he was from a unit downtown! Who was this goof? And why has he not been dealt with? If this is the leadership CPD has now, you can expect him to reach Superintendent soon?
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Very important, did he by chance mention any house mice 🐁 on his radar? Asking fir a friend;)
So when is everyone leaving for Texas? Prolly get a good group fare on one of those returning migrant buses.
Which side ya gonna be on?
If Chicago is stupid enough to fire Officer Stillman, there are many western suburb departments that would welcome him to the force.
Couldn't be further from the truth. No deparment will want to be associated with Stillman. I repeat, NONE. It is the unfortunate part about being a cop. In this current climate you will NOT get a pass unless you're dead. And citizens wonder why cops choose to mostly observe instead of act. Stillman and many others is why. Sad truth.
I was for the 60 day shelter rule before I was against it /sarc
Got the memo before or after the last hospitalization for panic attacks?
Mayor Johnson discusses possibility of ending Chicago’s 60-day shelter rule for migrants – Center Square
Just like that police shooting by Laramie and Addison. Cops chased a gangbanger with a gun, fleeing from the police.
1/26/2024 07:21:00 AM
That one was even more ridiculous. Dude still had gun in his hand when he turns on the officer. COPA wanted him fired too. These two shootings proved COPA doesn’t give rats ass if you take a bullet to the head. And they’ll suspend you posthumously like they did Ella French
But if you are a connected Sgt it's ok to shoot an autistic kid off duty in your personal car and then lie about it and keep your job! Anybody else would be in federal prison. They don't even try and hide the corruption.
If this copper gets fired i believe some well timed blue flu is in order. As many as possible should go on medical no explanations or talk right before the convention . I hope you guys consider it.
Downtown Friday High noon lead slinging by Dude Inc.
scored 2 KIA at 25 E. Washington across from Macy's. Crickets on 10 o'clock News.
The Cook County Medical Examiner's office identified the 17-year-old victim as Monterio Williams, and the 16-year-old victim as Robert Boston.
Say Their Names.
BJ said "...However, it is not constructive to demonize youth who have otherwise been starved of opportunities in their own communities."
Johnson added: "Our city must work together to create spaces for youth to gather safely and responsibly, under adult guidance and supervision, to ensure that every part of our city remains welcome for both residents and visitors."
He said that is one aspect of his "comprehensive approach to improve public safety and make Chicago livable for everyone."
Opportunities to get ventilation holes Stabbed or Shot into your Macy's Jackets.
Mogadishu Mile. Livable but for how long?
Give them nothing but the basics of policing. Nothing more, nothing less. COPA and the other layers of established kangaroo courts are biased and out for revenge. They will extract it from anyone that comes before them - except for the connected. Chicagoans voted for this type of corrupt government. Enjoy it because you earned it. Not only is there blood on BJ hands but the blood stains are on the voters that wanted BJ and the 50 thieves. You got what you wanted.
Mourn your loses, light those candles, loose the balloons, stand on the corner with the revrunds and shout your anguish and go home. Tomorrow rinse and repeat your mourning for the new murder victims of the day. The people of Chicago bare your shame, bury your dead, love the survivors but remember - it's all on you.
I want to take the time and thank this officer for getting rid of this piece of dog feces and protecting the city from all crimes that jr criminal would have committed in the future. Now, he can have a well deserve “dirt nap”. God bless this officer.
Keep this guys' treatment firmly in mind when you are called out to do the impossible at the DNC convention.
John in Indy
Donated and Signed. Done and Done.
1/26/2024 03:51:00 AM AND OTHERS
It looks to me like the donation box at top of page is not for donating to the officer or campaign, it looks to be for a generic donation to Change.org.
If I’m right that’s highly deceptive. The donate box mentions nothing about a specific petition but rather about supporting change.org. Please be careful and sign without donating.
Be aware what you personal info you are giving up at change.org
Website is for-profit and found my libs….
“If Chicago is stupid enough to fire Officer Stillman, there are many western suburb departments that would welcome him to the force.
Couldn't be further from the truth. No deparment will want to be associated with Stillman. I repeat, NONE. It is the unfortunate part about being a cop. In this current climate you will NOT get a pass unless you're dead. And citizens wonder why cops choose to mostly observe instead of act. Stillman and many others is why. Sad truth.”
NOT TRUE.
My department hired a CPD lateral that had a high profile news shooting during his time with CPD. Our agency is an inner ring suburb of Chicago. Many agencies around us I know for a fact are similar.
RE: 26 Jan at 1444 Hours/// You are CORRECT! You are so correct that your few paragraphs should be memorized by everyone using Video Evidence. This is how the human brain works and not by frame by frame. Further, there is no magnification on the Street.
How will this help anything? Union has no power to help anyone who’s at the mercy of discipline. Copa doesn’t answer to the union and neither does bia or the inspector general or anyone. I knew the union wielded no power when Carter remained first deputy after his performance at Ella’s murder. If they can’t even get the first deputy replaced they can’t do anything for the wellbeing of officers on the ground.
Coppers are literally at the mercy of people who openly hate police. A conflict of interest so large should never stand but here we are, mostly due to the union having no power to stop the past 10 years of officer protection.
“If Chicago is stupid enough to fire Officer Stillman, there are many western suburb departments that would welcome him to the force.
Couldn't be further from the truth. No deparment will want to be associated with Stillman. I repeat, NONE. It is the unfortunate part about being a cop. In this current climate you will NOT get a pass unless you're dead. And citizens wonder why cops choose to mostly observe instead of act. Stillman and many others is why. Sad truth.”
NOT TRUE.
My department hired a CPD lateral that had a high profile news shooting during his time with CPD. Our agency is an inner ring suburb of Chicago. Many agencies around us I know for a fact are similar.
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Stop the cap.
I’m recently retired. Thank God.
What’s not being talked about nearly enough is our brave Superintendent who hid in the Academy for over 20 years is also CPD’s USE OF FORCE EXPERT! All he needs to do is hold a press conference and approve the shooting. That’s it.
He’s the boss. He’s the expert. But of course he hasn’t. He’s a coward. And politics and his image are all that matters. Period.
This was an outstanding police action. The officer should have an award of valor.
It would’ve been nice or even customary that Snelling would reach out to the officer. But, that hasn’t happened either.
First Brown who never called, now Snelling.
Great leadership guys! Prayers sent to the brave officer. He’s by far the best policeman of the three.
Un-Holy Toledo.
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