Fucked Up Lieutenants Test
This is ridiculous. Someone just burned a $4 million dollar test. Here's how we heard it went down - someone closer to the investigation can fill in the finer points:
- Part 2 of the exam consisted of an "Oral Board." Test takers were shown a short clip and then asked to respond to the clip within a set time limit. A dozen or so clips were shown with time to answer the scenarios between each clip
- Some proctor misunderstood the directions and told test takers that they had to watch the entire series of video clips one after the other and then answer all the questions one after the other at the end of the entire run
- Sergeants who protested were told they could either perform the test as administered (whether wrong or not) or they could leave the testing area and receive ZERO credit for Part 2 of the exam. Needless to say, they took the test, and we heard at least one lawsuit has been filed as of this evening.
Today, this FAX came out:
- Fax Message # 071913 01 May 07
POLICE LIEUTENANT EXAMINATION ANNOUNCEMENT ***ASSESSMENT EXERCISE RE-TEST**
Note: The re-test will consist of the same questions administered on Jan. 6,2007. For those taking the re-test on June 23, 2007, the evaluation of the oral portion of Assessment Exercise will be based on your June 23, 2007 performance; your Jan. 6, 2007 performance will not be evaluated. For those that choose not to re-test on June 23, 2007, the evaluation of the oral portion of the Assessment Exercise will be based on your Jan. 6, 2007 performance.
A re-test. Consisting of the EXACT same questions that were already given. Hell, if we had the questions 7 weeks in advance to every promotional test we've ever been eligible for, we'd be Captains at least a year ago.
How is this not going to be a HUGE federal lawsuit? How is it that Noelle Brennan, the Federal oversight person in charge of all manner of promotions and hiring NOT blasting the City and it's testing firm (was it Ernst & Young again?) First up, anyone who has any doubts whatsoever that they may have missed a certain question or two damn well better sign up for this "do-over." And anyone who thinks they might be able to "tweak" an answer or two for a few extra bonus points better do so.
This is a fuck up of monumental proportions. How anyone can even consider this anything resembling a legit test is beyond us. Does this feed into the rumors we heard a few years ago that the Department was seriously looking into making all Lieutenant promotions by "merit" and resumes like Captain promotions?
The mind boggles. Hello? Investigative media? $4 million dollars and who knows how many lawyers fees will be eaten up by this one. Anyone?
UPDATE: Who wants to bet on the possibility that there might be a copy of a certain DVD containing, oh let's just say, SEVEN scenarios, that somehow made it out of the control of the testing firm and is currently circulating amongst test takers? After all, this is Chicago.
How is this not going to be a HUGE federal lawsuit? How is it that Noelle Brennan, the Federal oversight person in charge of all manner of promotions and hiring NOT blasting the City and it's testing firm (was it Ernst & Young again?) First up, anyone who has any doubts whatsoever that they may have missed a certain question or two damn well better sign up for this "do-over." And anyone who thinks they might be able to "tweak" an answer or two for a few extra bonus points better do so.
This is a fuck up of monumental proportions. How anyone can even consider this anything resembling a legit test is beyond us. Does this feed into the rumors we heard a few years ago that the Department was seriously looking into making all Lieutenant promotions by "merit" and resumes like Captain promotions?
The mind boggles. Hello? Investigative media? $4 million dollars and who knows how many lawyers fees will be eaten up by this one. Anyone?
UPDATE: Who wants to bet on the possibility that there might be a copy of a certain DVD containing, oh let's just say, SEVEN scenarios, that somehow made it out of the control of the testing firm and is currently circulating amongst test takers? After all, this is Chicago.
Labels: department issues, promotions
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
104 Comments:
agreed, scc; just when one would think that CPD testing couldn't get any more fu@@ed up, it gets more fu@@ed up; it confirms the suspicion that all rank testing, including "merit", is horses@@t and corrupted, politicallly speaking; and it seems like there is no one, other than maybe the federal monitor, or the U.S. Attorney, that would be able to step in and make a difference...
The patrolman think they are the only ones continually fucked over? The higher you go the more they fuck with you....I'm surprised and shocked this test didn’t go smoothly, No not really.Wounder how mat did?
“ How is this not going to be a HUGE federal
lawsuit? . . . . This is a fuck up of monumental proportions. “
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Wait – Sllll-ow down SSC . . .
The testing outfit proctors screwed up Part ll of the test (a total of 7 or 8 questions by the way) WHAT SHOULD THE CITY DO?? Throw out the entire test?? That would be a loss of perhaps a million to taxpayers. “Re-write” the 7 video taped questions? That would be would be a loss of perhaps a few hundred thousand.
It seems fair enough to me . . AND you would have to be an idiot to NOT take the test over again that you now know what to expect. Many municipalities around the country let prospective applicants know exactly what to expect on the test so it’s not an issue. Even though I know what the 7 questions are. . I still don’t know what the hell the correct answers would be because I don’t know what the test administrators are looking for. What I’m saying is I could knock up a few points on the 7 oral portion but I still don’t know what the hell to do to ace it.
I do not see a law-suit stemming from this because everyone is being given a chance to be on level ground. And believe me – I am not a fan of this horseshit of a city.
An older and now retired sergeant of mine told me that while taking his first sergeants exam, applicants filled out a piece of paper containing their personal information and affixed it to their test sheet with A PAPER CLIP! Now if that wasn't the most fucked up thing I ever heard of, nothing was.....that is, until I heard of this.
What do you expect in such a fucked up city? And unfortunately, this is for real.
EXAMSCAM DEJA VU!
An "ORAL BOARD" is the CPD's euphemism for a blowjob.
This whole City is full of shit!
It's taken roughly 16 years, but congrats, they've sucked out every last ounce of pride I've ever had about working for this Department.
The bastards have won. You get NOTHING from me from this day forward.
They should just promote with a lottery system. No tests, just throw your ss# in one of those bingo cages and start calling out the #'s. We could even hold it in a bingo hall with old ladies making sure it's on the up and up. We would probably get a better quality of leadership.
Just more of the same.
Pookie, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes right now. I hear your phone is blowing up!
As I've said before, this department is being run by complete morons!
Pssssst!
When you go back for your "re-test", be sure to say "notify the watch commander" to every question.
Keep that on the down low.
"MERIT" is "the Chicago Way", Sarge.
It was a honest mistake. Mere incompetence. We would never intentionally jeopardize the integrity of an apolitical promotional process. Only the best and the brightest.
RIGGED??? That's just silly. Silly, silly, silly.
Sounds more suspicious than the 'Notify the Watch Commander' answer from the 1987 test.
question: will meritorious milt have to re-take the 2nd part???
answer: no -- love, JD
THE JOB IS LEGIT!
CAP$ WORK$!
MORE KOOL-AID, ANYONE?
Looks like Zelitsky will make Lt after all! GOD HELP THIS DEPARTMENT!!!
If the oral portion is screwed up and has to be redone, so be it. But give new questions so everybody starts from the same place again. And fire the company the provided the proctors and make them pay for the re-test. To just use the same questions would be the same as striking the oral portion entirely as everybody has looked up the answers already. Unless, of course, they just want talking heads reading rehearsed scripts.
Given the unfair result, what other remedy would you recommend? The City will recoup its expenses from the company that failed to properly train its monitor.
Two things are now official....
1) OPS is being turned into an independent "civilian review board" who's bosses are being picked by defense lawyers and the "reverands."
2) I, as well as many PO's I know, are done being an aggressive officer(s). I'll be goddamned if Pfeger's people are going to try to take my house!
Finally some GOOD news from Cook County government:
'Don't ask' immigration plan fails in County Board
By Mickey Ciokajlo
Tribune staff reporter
Published May 1, 2007, 9:02 PM CDT
A proposal that would have established a policy banning Cook County employees from inquiring into the immigration status of people they encounter failed Tuesday to win the support of the County Board.
The resolution died on a 7-7 vote with three board members voting "present."
County Board President Todd Stroger, who contends that he has the right to vote to break board ties but has yet to do so, did not vote on the matter.
Board members who voted against the resolution argued that it was simply a "feel good" measure that did not have the force of law. Others said it was confusing and they worried it would encourage illegal immigrants to use the county's overburdened health system.
"I'm more concerned about whether or not this will open up the doors for people to come into Cook County to get health care, which we cannot afford anymore," Commissioner Earlean Collins (D-Chicago) said.
Commissioner Roberto Maldonado (D-Chicago), the measure's sponsor, said he was disappointed that the proposal failed and called it a "fabrication of facts" that it would have led the county's health-care system to become overrun with patients.
"I'm not going to give up. I'm going to bring it back," said Maldonado, who had hoped to win passage on the same day a large immigrant-rights march and rally were held in Chicago.
This is absolute nonsense. Tell us where we finished on the last test before we decide if we want a do over. If you were lucky or skilled enough to finish high, maybe you would not want to do it again. You could know all that shit, get nervous or forget something that you included last time, and then you slide down the list. In addition, the test was designed to determine if you can think fast and make decisions under "pressure". If you already know the scenarios, where is the spontaneous thinking? What a fucking joke. Also, are we doing the complete second part again, or just the video portion? And how can they not tell us why this is happening. Admit that they screwed it up. They send out that fax with no explanation. It included a phone number to call....a "hotline" and hey guess what? It is the same message thats been on there for 2 months or longer. And heres a surprise-by the time that the notice came out, the PBPA office was closed, the answering service answered. Lets see, test maker screws up the test, no one at the company responds, union does not respond, no explanation from the city or the department. Just a big bowl of hey fuck you people. absofuckinglutely unbelievable.
Is there a commitee sitting someplace that looks for ways to completely screw up morale? As if it wasn't in the shitter already? This one takes the cake.
ex cap dept J.P's son has a lot of attorney's fees to pay for taking pictures of half-naked drunk yuppies. If the dumb fuck would just sell them it would even the score. He'll be an LT no doubt.
Consider this:
Now that everyone gets a second chance to take the oral exam which, per the lieutenant's exam guide, was designed to see how candidates "think on their feet," the distribution of test scores on the oral portion will be much more narrow. How can it not be? Everyone knows the "think on your feet" questions 7 weeks before the exam. Very few will blow it. Almost everyone will do well - even those who blew it the first time when it was a true "think on your feet" exercise.
Here's the rub - the Department never published how the written assessment exercise and oral assessment exercise will be weighted to arrive at a candidate's overall score. Now that the vast majority of candidates will perform well on the oral exam, a higher percentage of a candidate's overall score can be attributed to the oral portion. This will produce a candidate ranking vastly different from what it would have been based upon the original oral assessment scores. Thus, the Department can play with the relative weights of the written versus oral until the "desired" candidate rankings are achieved. Does this sound fair? You don't think the city would do this, do you?
Does anyone think the Department received and were unhappy with the rankings resulting from the January test scores and decided to manipulate the scoring process under the guise of making it fair for a few candidates that allegedly got screwed by incompetent proctors?
Disgruntled candidates should immediately call: Noelle Brennan, members of the media, and the Sergeant's Association. Demand that the union seek an injuction to stop the the June do-over, at least until the city provides a reason or some facts (there's a crazy notion) supporting their decision to effectively nullify the assessment value of the oral portion of the exam.
It's time for the union to step to the plate!!
Imagine what Mark Donahue will receive for being Judas. Looks like you get more than thirty pieces of silver. This is from todays Sneed column under birthdays:
Former FOP President Bill Nolan, who is now commander of the Cook County sheriff's deputies at the Daley Center.
The PBA should demand that the alleged sergeants who complained names are public knowledge. I believe that the numbers didn't look politically correct or dearest Matt didn't perform well.
Oral portion of police exam to be offered again
May 2, 2007
BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter
ttp://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/366439,CST-NWS-exam02.article
"Notify the watch commander!"
Matty Cline got it right on the first test..He gave the secret password and he had the Secret Squirrel Decoder Ring on his left ring finger..
People start talking that “someone” must have failed the exam b/c of the re-test. If someone has juice, they do not give a shit about the test score. Look at Keating - he never passed the Lt. test and he is a commander. Lubberman never passed any promotional exam, not even the FTO exam, and is on leave as a Deputy Chief and now runs the CTA. How many Lts were merit -- and before that a merit Sergeant. So the re-test has nothing to do with the fact that "someone" must have flunk, b/c that person will be a Lt. anyways.
ehhhhhhhh what did you expect? Every day there is something f-ed up going on here.
It amazes me what goes on in this corrupt city.
This re-take is easier said than done. To answer the first oral question each candidate had respond based information from the written part of the exam. They would have to give each candidate their test answers to the written part so they can properly answer the first oral question. Or they have to eliminate that oral question. It's more fucked up they you think.
And so how did this proctor get that job? Unbelievable.
One thing is for certain ,SCC YOU ARE A 35TH ST. HOUSE CAT!
Who gives a damn about the Lts test. Apparently you do, for reasons unknown?
This topic belongs on second city sarge, not on a PO Blog, Don't you think?
One thing is for certain ,SCC YOU ARE A 35TH ST. HOUSE CAT!
Who gives a damn about the Lts test. Apparently you do, for reasons unknown?
This topic belongs on second city sarge, not on a PO Blog, Don't you think?
First up, we aren't housecats. We've never worked at 35th St or even 11th and State.
We give a damn about the City fucking up a simple promotional test that cost us and other taxpayers $4 million dollars. You don't think they're bringing back the Oral Boards for Detective or Sergeant at some point? This could very well be a practice run for such an event and it better concern everyone involved in any sort of promotional event.
And lastly, this is our blog. We write about what interests us. Or maybe you haven't noticed our commentary on sports, national politics, international events, etc. This belongs where we put it and judging by the comments, we have more than a few Sergeants, Lieutenants, Captains and exempts reading the board anyway.
I heard that Matt Cline actually failed the exam - for each and every question, instead of responding "Notify the Watch Commander," he replied "Call Dad."
Anonymous said...
Looks like Zelitsky will make Lt after all! GOD HELP THIS DEPARTMENT!!!
5/02/2007 01:09:00 AM
Are you kidding?? Good ol' A.Z.??? What is this world coming to??
Clout,Juice and Merit babies need not worry.
The solution to the problem is easy. Since the testing company proctors made the mistake, they should refund a portion of their fees to the city. Then that portion of the test be thrown out. Of course if they did that, the illeterates and undereducated would sue because they would not get their percentage promotion.
You guys keep harping on merit promotions like Irish women at the the Church. Yet you totally ignore the percentage promotions- those promoted because of their race, ethnicity, or what ever. They stand to lose big time here. These types of tests were implmented to appease the so called minorities, not to bring fairness to the system.
Looks like Zelitsky will make Lt after all! GOD HELP THIS DEPARTMENT!!!
5/02/2007 01:09:00 AM
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don't you mean king of the knuckleheads yo'?
TIP for "ORALS":
Remember that this is the "correct" answer to all questions, including the following:
According to Jean Paul Sartre, what was critically inherent to his theory of existentialism?
What is the square root of 169?
What's the first thing you do after a bowel movement?
What color is orange juice?
What is your favorite shibboleth?
YES THIS JOB IS TOTALLY FUCKED UP! I AGREE THAT THIS CITY & DEPT. HAS SUCCESSFULLY SUCKED EVERY LAST OUNCE OF PRIDE OUT OF ME. AND PEOPLE WONDER WHY WE FEEL THE WAY WE DO. THE SGTS, LT'S AND EVERY OTHER TEST IS FUCKED!!!!
WE CANT EVEN HANDLE DRINKING IN A BAR OR HAVE A FREAKIN STREET DEPUTY BRIEF THE PRESS PROPERLY....
OH YEAH CAN SOMEONE PLEASE INFORM "DOWNTOWN ERNIE FUCKIN BROWN" THAT THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "H.B.T" ANYMORE. GET A CLUE! ITS 2007. NOT 1977. THE H.B.T. ORDER WAS TRASHED OVER A FUCKIN YEAR AGO. THE CPD NOW HAS A "S.W.A.T. TEAM". MAYBE ITS NO LAPD, BUT THOSE GUYS HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OVER THE LAST YEAR. AND WE HAVE A STREET DEPUTY THAT DOESNT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE DEPT'S UNITS ARE CALLED. IM DONE. ITS 10AM. TIME FOR A COCKTAIL. BE SAFE, AND STAY TRUE.
You gullible assholes!
We're in on it!
God bless Mayor Daley and the Chicago Way!
QUID PRO QUO
The exam announsement said you have a choice to retake the test or you can keep your answers from the original test. If you retake the the test your original scores will not be graded.
I know for a fact that the tests were already graded. The city did not like the results.
Why would anybody believe that it takes four months to decide to retest. It's because the results are not what the city wants.
1969 has another opportunity to flunk it again. With all those B.S. degrees from Lewis you would think he could pass it. This goof still believes he should be a merit pick. Based on his police expertise, he should be nothing more than a meter maid.
I hope Matt makes lieutenant. He was a great copper, worked in 011, didn't talk shit, is a great guy and he DOESN'T hide behind a key board!!
to all of you phil cline ass kissers claiming he's the best supt. we ever seen, this is what he's done to the dept. and why morale is at a all time low! say what you want about hilliard and rodriguez but morale was never this low with them.
Do you think maybe because some of the alderthieves lost that their merit appointees are not getting the job and now a bullshit retest?
I am in the KMA club and thanks to all the new coppers and this site attention is really being drawn to the fake merit process!
The testing company learned of the 'problems' with the oral portion on 06-JAN-07. Why did it take 4 months to decide to do it over? It would only be fair to let people know how they did so they could make an informed decision about the re-test. Let's say you got 30 out of 30 points the first time you took the test, now they want you to consult your crystal ball and decide to take the re-test. Now you score 25 out of 30 for whatever reason, you are now penalized because the testing company made a decision not to release the results.
I could go on but why bother.
Here is the problem: The city waited until they had the results back and the scores of all of the applicants before deciding that they would administer the re-test. THEY HAD THE SCORES!!!! They didn't have a week or a month's investigation (the enitire process, including the directions which were written and given to us in advance before the test and re-given at the test site in the room, and gone over by the proctor when the Sgt was supposed to read the directions with the proctor, was recorded. They had two tape players. One they started immediately and stayed on the entire time, from identification of the proctor through the directions, through the playback of the other recorder to make sure you were being recorded, to the scenario, to your answers, to the completion of the test. The entire thing was recorded. This investigation should have lasted a week at most and resulted in either a published statement stating, "If you can't read the directions and follow simple clear cut directions, we don't want you as a LT. or They should have immediately thrown out the second portion of the test and discussed a way to rectify the situation with the union, Management and Labor Affairs, and Legal affairs. As far as I know, NONE of them were contacted about this. They waited to get the scores and see where their people or the wanted demographic landed and then decided to do this idiotic thing. This is in no way fair. The bosses already had their after the test groups telling people openly what the city was looking for on test questions. This was supposed to be a spontanious think on your feet excercise so knowing the questions beforehand does not get the wanted result. This is city bullshit, plain and simple. The Meritorious Selection Process now supposedly has federal oversite, they agreed to settle lawsuits to the tune of 12 million so they can't beat the horse anymore. Now they have to find another way to fuck everyone. It wasn't enough to give the chosen people the answers to he first part, but now that those people fucked up the second part, they decide to give everybody another bite at the apple. Just throw out the entire test but give us our scores for my lawsuit....
This solution totally rewards those people who chose not to prepare for the oral portion. It also completely undermines the stated objective of the oral portion; to test a person's ability to think on their feet.
Now, the oral portion will test a person's ability to memorize seven answers to known questions.
Why do the people who did well on the original oral portion have to be punished?
It's all legit!!! trust Richie, it's all legit. WHAT A JOKE!
GOD, PLEASE SEND US A FEDERAL ADMINISTRATOR, I BEG YOU! AMEN
Hell I am not a sergeant at least not yet. All I could say was yeah i'll retake the test as soon as I see my score. I mean come on someone please call BULLSHIT!!!!!
Actually the way that they are re-testing is the best (from a legal standpoint) way to handle the situation. If they did nothing the people who the proctors fucked would sue. If they gave different questions people would assume that chosen ones had the answers (or fucked up bad the first time around). This way is just a wash because everyone should get a 100% and no one can sue for them altering the testing format. All in all, another CPD test that will go down in scandalous infamy.
lets see if that so called sgt union has any pull to put in a suit for those poor saps. Let me guess that they have no clue like the fop.
Everyone should take the test again. We call it a do over.
Who are we kidding? It's not about any "one" person not doing well on the oral portion! It's about what "groups" of persons who didn't do well on the oral portion! If the city is forced to use ALL of it's meritorious promotions to maintain "cultural diversity" in the rank of lieutenant, then they cant take care of the politically connected.
As a sergeant who felt that he did relatively well on the oral portion, I'm devastated. It kind of defies logic to give an exam that is supposed to test your ability to "think on your feet" when they are now giving people seven weeks to prepare their answer. I was in the first group of sergeants to take the oral portion on 06 Jan 07. My proctor seemed a little befuddled at first and I told her how I believed the test was supposed to work. She, to her credit, called one of her supervisors and verified the correct procedure. Perhaps the department should take that into consideration. If I'm a candidate for lieutenant, and I know what the testing process is supposed to entail, and God knows it was explained to us numerous times, then maybe I should have questioned the "20 something" year old proctor who held my career in his/her hands! If you didn't have the balls to say something there, then maybe you shouldn't be a lieutenant anyways!
My primary concern with this would be the timing of the announcement. If there was in fact an issue with the exam on 06 January, why did it take five months for them to correct it? It will be difficult for the city to defend this action if they received the results and then decided that they needed to offer the oral portion again. It gives the appearance, if not the reality, that the results did not look like what the city hoped they would. Again, if this was a known problem from the start, why wait so long to take steps to correct it? And second, an excellent point was raised earlier, that being that this portion was designed to determine how one would think on their feet in a situation. How accurate can that goal be if the questions are given ahead of time? Third and last, there were many complaints about the written, I estimate far more than complaints about the oral. Why is that portion not also being offered again? It is amazing that the city is trying to go through with this. I hope our union dues are not wasted and that the union at least puts forth an effort to stop this.
The only logical conclusion that one can reach is that the city did not like the results (clout/racial)of the test. Why else would they wait four months to correct an error they knew about on January 6th. They waited until the results were in and then reached into their hat of schemes and pulled this out in the hopes that when this dumbed down version of the test is graded, the results will be more to their liking. Why not tell us how many people had trouble with the tape recorders. What if they gave all of those people perfect scores on the oral portion. How much would that have changed the rankings?
You guys were expecting what? Legitimacy?
And you young guys wonder why we old timers have given up.
Deees Dept. just one big puuussey just waiting to get fucked.
How about the fuc#ers using their cell phones texting answers! WTF!
This is absolute nonsense. Tell us where we finished on the last test before we decide if we want a do over. If you were lucky or skilled enough to finish high, maybe you would not want to do it again.
I agree with the poster making the point of how can we make a decision to take it again when we don't have the results of the first test?
ok so we're to believe that the city has a viable terrorist plan, yet they can't even run a simple promtional exam correctly.
God help us
The fair thing to do would be to retest the oral portion with new scenarios. If they don't want to do that, they should drop the oral portion entirely and base the list on the written portion.
Why is it such a secret how many Sgts claim to have had problems with the oral portion? If it is just a few, why not bump up their oral scores by a fair amount?
Why do the powers that be think it is fair to make a Sgt make a decision that will effect the rest of his career on incomplete information? Why not let the Sgts know how they did on the oral portion and let them make an informed decision?
If Cline wants to atleast give the impression of fairness, he should give the Sergeants their scores on the written portion along with a statement of how much the written and oral portions count towards the total.
Treating the Sergeants like dogs will only make them act like...
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!! WTF!!!!!!!!! ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND??!!!!!!!! THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!!!!! WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE??!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S IT, I'M GOING FOR THAI FOOD!!!!
The only fair way to do this is to dump the oral. They regularly dump questions on an exam; so this time it happens to be all the oral questions.
You know this exam has already been duplicated by Roberts or the other seminar company. You also know there will be "model" answers floating around by the time the exam is given in June.
Just about everyone will have the "correct" answer or at least the same answers. So what's the point. If we're all going to score with in the same ballpark, don't bother; just dump all the oral questions.
I really can't understand how 11:50:00am or anyone else can think this is fair. Either you leave it alone or dump the oral all together; that's fair.
SCC; maybe you can post the "model" answers if and when you get them. Or at least post the scenarios. If for no other reason than to show how stupid this is.
Now let's all go for Thai food.
SCC:
Plesae post a brief description of all seven questions so no clout babies will have all the answers.
Anonymous said...
I hope Matt makes lieutenant. He was a great copper, worked in 011, didn't talk shit, is a great guy and he DOESN'T hide behind a key board!!
5/02/2007 12:07:00 PM
You're kidding, right? The only thing he hides behind is his daddy.
The Daley Crime family stirkes again!
So criminally corrupt and inept they cannot even manage ONE honest test!
Honesty? hell no! Just business as usual with these democRATS.
Off Topic,
To our brother and sister employees at the CTA:
Beware of Daley's henchman, Ron Hubberman, he is not your friend.
On of the TV news reports stated his goals and one of them was, REFORM PENSIONS.
That does not mean to make sure that your retirements are secure and fully funded. He will try to raid the funds and or put in a two tiered system. This is so that the Democratic campaign contributors will be secure and fully funded.
Ron has never been in a position for very long but he can do a lot of damage to employees in a short time. Hope your union has more balls than ours, at least you can strike.
Anonymous said...
The exam announsement said you have a choice to retake the test or you can keep your answers from the original test. If you retake the the test your original scores will not be graded.
I know for a fact that the tests were already graded. The city did not like the results.
Why would anybody believe that it takes four months to decide to retest. It's because the results are not what the city wants.
5/02/2007 11:04:00 AM
why did it take 7 months for the sgt results????
I've been out of town and just heard of this fiasco. Has the media reported on this at all?
First off, we're talking a $4 million dollar mistake. This alone should be cause for concern.
Second, I didn't put much effort into it anyway, still, a lot of people did and I don't blame those folks one bit for being enraged. The city's solution is just so insane, it's incredible.
So let me get this straight, someone who screwed up the oral, gets another shot at it, knowing what the questions will be? But someone who studied and feels confident he/she did well the first time, gets to wait to see how others do the second time around.
This is worse then the meritorious process.
Oh and one more question, no one is accountable for this? We get written up for wearing a tie instead of a turtle neck, but someone screws up a test and $4million dollars and it's forgotten?
How bout someone get an event number for a "test integrity mission".
orrrrr next time have two proctors in the room.
This is such a disgrace.
I am going to take the test can a blue shirt take it? Why not? look at jimmy keating all the way to exemt and huberman was a deputy must be nice to have clout!
Hey 1:09......I worked with Adam for years in 012 and we all did our jobs and had a good laugh doing it. He is a bit unorthodox and that's what makes him a great guy to work with. I always liked the guy, he makes me laugh. If you are reading this Adam, hope to see you at another Sox game. Remember that 4th of July or the VEHICLE CHASES??
ladies and gentlemen we are in a new era of policing. we are under attack from the media.we are "the punching bag" of the general public.quite frankly we are all a politically unpopular incident from being a leper. i.e. the tru guys involved in the shooting at 37 kedzie.we need to have a perspective on whats really important,yourself and your fellow officers being safe mentally and physically. if you see the blue lights flash,take a minute and stop even if you hate the guy or girl. one day the shit might hit the fan and the officer you hate could be the only thing keeping you from being killed.take the time to say hi to a fellow officer no matter who he or she is. and also lets make a truce on the infighting and the attacks on each other,i mean how is the mayor and the general public supposed to respect us when we cant even stand united and respect each other. you know if we put a truce to all the petty beefs we have with each other we will single handedly be the most powerful force around and no one can conquer us. if we want to measure a succesful day,its not how many event numbers we get,how many seatbelt missions we do.its at the end of the day every officer you see at the begining of roll call,is at checkoff alive and not in the hospital,folks we won!be safe,this storm we are facing will pass,and lets be good to each other and take care of each other cuz frankly no one else will!
LITTLE MATT HIDING BEHIND HIS DADDY THATS NOT THAT HARD YOU COULD PROBABLY HIDE A BARN BEHIND HIM
did booberman take the
lts test
what surprises me the most is that all of you fools are surprised!
Anonymous said...
Hey 1:09......I worked with Adam for years in 012 and we all did our jobs and had a good laugh doing it. He is a bit unorthodox and that's what makes him a great guy to work with. I always liked the guy, he makes me laugh. If you are reading this Adam, hope to see you at another Sox game. Remember that 4th of July or the VEHICLE CHASES??
5/02/2007 09:27:00 PM
LOL!!! You obviously never had to work for him. He is the biggest stroke and has zero respect from about 98% of the people on the watch. You should hear how people crack jokes about him when ever he is on the air, which is constantly since he loves to hear himself talk. Him being a Lt. would be fucking ridiculous.
this Department is nothing but one big FIX. The story years ago about the CPD patrolman who swam the English Channel a couple of times not being eligable for the Marine Unit sums this place up 100 %.
Federal Oversight on EVERY exam given for the Chicago Police Department. Corruption is at its highest ever!
I'll start, how do you answer the question when the Deputy Chief comes in and says his friend was just dumped from the CAPS office and you as the CAPS LT. are being asked by the Deputy who is winking to take him back onto CAPS.
Maybe they could not get the answers to the right people for the second part, maybe the right people missed the flyers for the super secret study group, unlike the sgt's and dec's test. Where exempt ranks openly gave their people the right answers. By the way are the FED's looking at the now retired Commander Kobel for giving that study group on company property on company time, and having a high amount of people in that group make detective already.
Who cares about the Lt's this is Second City Cop right? Let those people fend for themselves.
The version of that story I heard was:
The P.O. was an excellent swimmer and was in excellent shape. He didn't have a "phone call" so kept getting passed over for consideration in the Marine unit.
They had to give him a reason why he didn't make it in, so a higher up in the department gave him the "official" reason. It seems that it was simply a case of the P.O. being "over qualified."
Sad, but true. A guy who is in condition to swim the English channel and could swim with the best olympians and keep up is deemed over qualified to be in the marine unit as a rescue swimmer.
THE CHICAGO WAY!
How about the fuc#ers using their cell phones texting answers! WTF!
Nobody cares...it was the same on the sgt's exam.
Anonymous said...
did booberman take the
lts test
5/02/2007 10:03:00 PM
He can't, he never made Sergeant! What a fucking joke.
You guys got your shorts in a twist over nothing. Forget about the boggyman behind every door and get on with your lives for pete's sake.
Great headline SCC. Now you have every dimwit responding. Cool to use 'fucked up' as catchy headline. . Use your bold print to respond. Stop posting these CPD members....maybe not, it only makes you look better. First and last time observer.
Great headline SCC.
Thanks!
Now you have every dimwit responding.
Aw, and you started out so well. Now you insult our readers who are concerned about how the City manages to have the "reverse-Midas" touch - the one where everything they touch turns to shit. You must be one of those bitter folks we keep hearing about at 35th Street
Cool to use 'fucked up' as catchy headline.
Thanks again! We are the height of cool. We use naughty words like that as a plea for attention you know. It has nothing at all to do with the fact that this test is going to be tied up in court for the next few years and the only ones getting rich off of it are the lawyers while taxpayers get the shaft again.
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Oops, you dropped an extra period there - don't forget it when you leave
Use your bold print to respond.
OK, here you go
Stop posting these CPD members....maybe not, it only makes you look better.
Umm...what? Was that English? Seriously, what was that? Anyway, aren't you even the tiniest little bit concerned that the City can take a simple civil service exam and turn it into a debacle that will end up costing well in excess of a couple of million dollars because they low bid the process to unqualified companies? And then to see the results of the debacle commanding this Department into the deepest morale tailspin in history? Or maybe you don't care because you're a boss already and you're looking to minimize fallout so your dollies get taken care of?
First and last time observer.
No great loss - don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. We're just irritated we used some of our best comeback material on a fool.
THOSE WHO REMEMBER THE ORAL SCENARIOS; EMAIL THEM TO SCC TO SO THEY CAN POST THEM FOR US. MAYBE SCC WILL GET A NOD IN THE LAWSUIT, "THEY EVEN HAVE THE SCENARIOS POSTED ON A BLOGSPOT CALLED SECOND CITY COP YOUR HONOR!"
Yesterday, I called the Sergeant's Association to inquire about what is being done to address the do-over exam. I was told that they are currently discussing our legal recourse with their attorneys. Also, the call-taker related that whatever action they intend to take should be posted on the Sergeant's Association website by Friday.
I hope this is true. Already there's clamor about dunping PB&PA if the ball is dropped on this one.
If you took this exam, please call our Union and apply pressure. If we let the City get away with this nonsense, who knows what it will try next.
Wow, there were tape recoders at your oral. I didn't see any when I took the oral at under the desk at 35th St.
This entire situation is insane. I would be a lieutenant already if it wasn't for the knee-dropping merits. If this situation causes a delay and the next lieutenant's class is off the old list--sorry Matt-you'll have to wait--The Thai food will be my treat!!!!!!
It is what it is
and its all bullshit
Anonymous said...
The version of that story I heard was:
The P.O. was an excellent swimmer and was in excellent shape. He didn't have a "phone call" so kept getting passed over for consideration in the Marine unit. . .
. . . THE CHICAGO WAY!
5/02/2007 11:50:00 PM
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He finally DID make it into the Marine Unit.
It did take 3 or 4 yrs of trying though.
The City doesn't care about any lawsuits. By the time its ajudicated, they've already gone and made the ones they wanted to make before this "nuisance" lawsuit was filed. Their answer is always: "Oops! Sorry. We'll never do it again.
You're kidding, right? The only thing he hides behind is his daddy.
5/02/2007 06:24:00 PM
He's a great cop and a great guy!!
What about you??
He worked in 011 and truly worked!! AGAIN, what about you??
Anonymous said...
You're kidding, right? The only thing he hides behind is his daddy.
5/02/2007 06:24:00 PM
He's a great cop and a great guy!!
What about you??
He worked in 011 and truly worked!! AGAIN, what about you??
5/03/2007 10:54:00 PM
Decent hardworking guy find something else to bitch about. I have never heard him say a bad word about anybody
10:54 PM
Thanks for sharing, Matt.
I urge the Sergeant's Association to seek an injunction stopping the June re-test.
If a number of candidates experienced problems during the January Oral Assessment Exercise, then the City should investigate to verify these problems (our entire encounter w/ proctors was recorded on a second tape recorder) and provide a remedy narrowly tailored to remediate the affected candidates.
The scores of 650+ candidates that did not experience problems on the oral portion should not be affected by a remedy created to address the issues of less than 40 candidates.
Is there any doubt that something is rotten in the state of Denmark? We now call upon our union to protect the interests of its membership.
Will Sgt. Dawn make it now
1969 as a lt. Give me a break. He learned from the ball less "KING OF POLICE" 43X. What ajoke!
Anonymous said...
1969 has another opportunity to flunk it again. With all those B.S. degrees from Lewis you would think he could pass it. This goof still believes he should be a merit pick. Based on his police expertise, he should be nothing more than a meter maid.
5/02/2007 11:04:00 AM
This guy actually thinks he should be a Lt. Company man big time. Do not do anything on his watch because he will go right to the bosses and ask "what should I do about this." Has no balls himself. Needs someone else to make the decision.
These are just facts about this man. Just ask Ricky G., R.E., M.K. and V.O. Hung them out to dry.
Dear City, Please throw out the results from the audio portion of part 2. If you must retest, please change the questions and stop dummying down the test for the people that did not pay for study groups or commit to taking time out of their lives to study. The only ones hurt by this are
people that put in a good effort. What a disappointment. This decision should have been made in the first week not four months later after the tests have been scored.
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