OPS Stands Alone
- Mayor Richard Daley today announced plans for a "total restructuring" of the office that investigates police officers, removing it from control of the Chicago Police Department.
The office would report directly to the mayor and have subpoena power, something the current office does not have, Daley said.
We have a question about this proposal. And it pains us to have to ask it because it will most likely have to be answered by a lawyer - and as a matter of policy, we greatly dislike lawyers and have advocated that they be drowned at birth. Failing that, we recommend drowning upon graduation. Anyway here it goes:
- If this "new" entity has subpoena powers, at what point do 5th Amendment protections kick in?
Under current Department rules, you can be ordered to answer questions. Being ordered to answer will subject you to administrative discipline, but what you say supposedly cannot be used against you criminally. Being subject to subpoena would seem to negate Department discipline being a factor and even the Department rule compelling you to answer.
Any lawyers not currently learning to breathe underwater care to answer?
Any lawyers not currently learning to breathe underwater care to answer?
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
65 Comments:
Does this have anything to do with the CPD framing a cop and making him lose his job?
So that despicable, mealy-mouthed hypocrite wants the process to be "...more open, transparent, accountable and credible..."
Could Daley be referring to his filthy, corrupt CPD PROMOTIONAL "process"?
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Fuggedaboudit! He's just posturing on how he can make political scapegoats by throwing often innocent police officers to the wolves.
Less than a year to go. God help you guys.
Uh oh looks like the area ranges are going to close soon. guys are bailing out of that unit. Or they make the drunk range guys sgt.'s The city is going to install a computer game in each station to simmulate range practice. Just like a playstation game.
I would imagine they will use subpoena power to bring forth witnesses who would normally be uncooperative.
As far as compelling testimony goes. . . one would be entitled to assert a 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination if it is reasonable to believe such testimony can or may be used against in criminal proceedings against that person (ie. testifying before the Grand Jury).
The bottom line is this. . . if you are ever administratively forced to give any sort of statement, that statement cannot be used against you in criminal proceedings. It is similar to a copper being ordered to blow administratively in a DUI. While the results will most certainly be used against him or her in Departmental administrative proceedings, they cannot be admitted as evidence in any criminal proceedings.
I hope this helps. Now don't drown me in peanut sauce!
Off Topic: But along the same lines...
Just what we need more idiots....
NBC5
Another scandal with chicago coppers!
WTF you guys are a bunch of idiots!
folks from l/a who where marching may 1 got the cops pissed off ,i saw it one the news ,i laughed . shooting the assholes with rubber bullets. this is the way to clear a street , including the media way to go LAPD/// ,
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The City cannot make any changes in the discplinary process without the approval of the Lodge through collective bargaining.
They have tried in the past and the Lodge has requested arbitration and the arbitrator has always ruled in the Lodge's favor.
I can remember two instances when the City lost big time in efforts to modify the process.
We hold the upper hand.
Great daley said that we would be responsible to the mayor. Now we will be judged by the most corrupt mayor and adminsitration in chicago's history! The king and his slaevs err council will jusge us! what an asshole daley should move to mexico with all his illegal friends!
Wonder Why our "union" didn't hold a press conference right after to counter that short little Irish prick of a Mayor who stood up there with all his "reverends" and other bullshit groups. Stop Policing, let the animal go wild and kill each other, this city could care less about any of you. Get out while you are young.
who would order the officer to answer, if it is a wholly seperate entity?
we should have a professional P.R. Firm!
good quote from Donahue:
"Our concern will be the protection of due process for police officers. ... We totally expect those subpoena powers to be used to clear officers as well as prosecute them," he said.
Don't count on it tho!
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After receiving an OPS report, the superintendent would have 90 days to either follow the disciplinary recommendation or disagree in writing. If there's no action within 90 days, the OPS recommendation would prevail. If OPS and the superintendent disagree on punishment, the Police Board would have the final say.
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I'm sure future Supt. Charles Williams will have NOOOO problem agreeing with every recommendation.
Anonymous said...
Uh oh looks like the area ranges are going to close soon. guys are bailing out of that unit. Or they make the drunk range guys sgt.'s The city is going to install a computer game in each station to simmulate range practice. Just like a playstation game.
5/04/2007 12:03:00 AM
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The mayor would like to take our guns away.
All this will do is make Lawyers richer!!!!!!!
The best they will hope for is to present a case to the States Attorney's office. The mayor can not hand out days its not in the order
Anonymous said...
Wonder Why our "union" didn't hold a press conference right after to counter that short little Irish prick of a Mayor who stood up there with all his "reverends" and other bullshit groups. Stop Policing, let the animal go wild and kill each other, this city could care less about any of you. Get out while you are young.
5/04/2007 08:16:00 AM
Bec Donahue is told to keep his mouth shut.
Anonymous said...
who would order the officer to answer, if it is a wholly seperate entity?
we should have a professional P.R. Firm!
5/04/2007 09:15:00 AM
PR firm?!?! You are nuts. The FOP's PAC $$ are pennies on the dollar compared to other orgs. It's a shame.
Off topic: Anyone hear about the PPO who testified on behalf of known ganganbangers? Apparently, he went to court in uniform as a character witness. He's now been terminated.
The bottom line is this. . . if you are ever administratively forced to give any sort of statement, that statement cannot be used against you in criminal proceedings. It is similar to a copper being ordered to blow administratively in a DUI. While the results will most certainly be used against him or her in Departmental administrative proceedings, they cannot be admitted as evidence in any criminal proceedings.
Not true, dont believe things just becasue you are told that.
Just want to give out an "Attaboy" to Bt. 2213, 1st watch. Good job, P/O Da gASSOLE, writing coppers tickets at the benefit for a murdered P/O (pretty pimpy parkers, to boot). I guess if you're too chicken shit to stay on your beat, or venture east of Longwood Dr.,writing coppers is the next best thing. OBTW, no calls or complaints on these vehicles (and all had stickers/medallions), you took it on your own to show a few thousand P/O's what a jagoff you are. Bet you're the last car to show up on a 10-1 (unless you're calling it at 103-Artesian).
One stupid fuckin' copper gets arrested for stealing credit cards & pin numbers and the anti-cop news media calls it a fuckin' scandal. Fuck the News Media ! they all suck.
Mark gave a statement and was on one the news stations saying that it has to be negotiated in our next contract.
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WHAT'S WITH THE NEW SCANDAL? THE TACT CHUMS FROM 018 DOING PICK POCKETS AND STEALING ATM/CREDIT CARDS. ONE CAUGHT AT A JEWEL STORE ON CAMERA PAYING WITH A STOLEN CARD! AGAIN, WTF!!!
Well you know they will be looking hard for their first officer they can make an example of.
The day of being pro-active is over. It's smarter to just react and cautiously at that.
I just can’t stand seeing those so-called “men of the cloth” standing up on stage with Richie Rich looking like they want to lynch a copper.
They are all wolves in sheep’s clothing and all they really care about is grandstanding for themselves and all of the tax free money they collect from their missing-link followers. Why do you think these rent-a-reverends drive Cadillac’s around? These shitheads would be walking around aimlessly for a rock on the west side, but have figured a way to scam their own people under the guise of being a “man of God.”
The sad thing about members of these so called “blue ribbon” committees is the only qualifications they have is they are black and if Richie Rich doesn’t kiss their ass, no votes for him. One big circle jerk and the c*m on the cracker has to be eaten by us.
There are people in this city that are convinced that Harold Washington was poisoned by the “man” and they vote Democratic.
I wonder if it applies to his hired truck scams, kick-back schemes, dare I say corrupt aldercreatures, that are all over his administration. I think not. I don't think he likes us very much.
Applications and resume for Captain process to open up again next week
Anonymous said...
Off Topic: But along the same lines...
Just what we need more idiots....
NBC5
Another scandal with chicago coppers!
WTF you guys are a bunch of idiots!
5/04/2007 01:13:00 AM
Just read it more assholes hired! Now thanks for making more of the working coppers look like shit hope you go to prison plead guilty and go spare us the drama!
Off topic, but did anybody see that our ex-union-pres Deneen got himself a real nice job running security? Pays to be in bed with de mare.
Wont change a thing. Just a political move so the public thinks there is something being done. All nonsense people. Like Hubermann running the CTA; his qualifications, rode the el for two weeks a long time ago.
I think the Mayor should personally monitor the police. He should ride in a squad car on the 3rd watch every Friday and Saturday night in 010 or 011. He can show us how to "do it right".
Yeah, I heard the drunk range guy made Sgt. Holy shit, the detectives will now have to actually show up and shoot.
I like the part where OPS will report directly to the mayor, what a joke this way he can cover up for the connected. This Silly, Silly Daley owned corrupt city.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Fuggedaboudit! He's just posturing on how he can make political scapegoats by throwing often innocent police officers to the wolves.
Less than a year to go. God help you guys.
5/04/2007 12:02:00 AM
Those connected, the New OPS will NOT go after. The little man with no power is fucked again.
I would imagine they will use subpoena power to bring forth witnesses who would normally be uncooperative.
As far as compelling testimony goes. . . one would be entitled to assert a 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination if it is reasonable to believe such testimony can or may be used against in criminal proceedings against that person (ie. testifying before the Grand Jury).
The bottom line is this. . . if you are ever administratively forced to give any sort of statement, that statement cannot be used against you in criminal proceedings. It is similar to a copper being ordered to blow administratively in a DUI. While the results will most certainly be used against him or her in Departmental administrative proceedings, they cannot be admitted as evidence in any criminal proceedings.
I hope this helps. Now don't drown me in peanut sauce!
5/04/2007 12:26:00 AM
However the Dept can still fire us under rules or administration policy. Also they can choose when to use them?????
RE: 5:41 AM
In 1997 the City tried to change the process and the Lodge took them to arbitration and won BIG-TIME. Harold Kunz called it the "greatest victory ever". Bring back Harold!!
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5/04/2007 03:45:00 AM
Get ready Mr Lawyer these people are two faced they want A Lawyer to help them yet they think your a scumbag??
This is a total load. There's a lot of things that need to change in this city, but OPS is not one of them. Why don't they start looking into why there are so many administrative errors in hiring, contracts, and finance in this city government? What about the officer who was falsely accused by a female citizen for sexual harassment on a traffic stop and had the tape which recorded her saying "if you take me in, I'll say you touched me". She slandered the officer and when they found out she was lying the department refused to press charges against her even though she signed the affidavit, perjuring herself! This whole thing is nauseating.
So every copper with a tie to Daley can get a play from the NEW OPS??? Just like the inspector generals office that is NOT allowed to investigate certain people!
Lets get a truly independant OPS and have Federal Mediators/Arbitrators be the judge of the investigations. The Mayor should make it accountable to NO ONE! This way there would be an equal JUSTICE system for ALL Police and NO outside or political interference. The two tiered DISCIPLINE process of the CPD and City in general is what fucks everybody. Police, City worker and citizen! IF YOU HAVE CLOUT AND A PHONE CALL NO MATTER WHAT DEPT. YOUR IN YOU WALK!
MAKE IT FAIR AND IMPARTIAL!!!
NO PHONE CALLS TO HELP!!!
The mayor, police brass and the fop would throw anyone of us under the bus if anything is even slightly questionable. Shit, why would they believe us? They would sooner take the word of a shitbird dope dealer. Fuck daley, fuck cline and his band of idiots like risley and fuck donahue. They're all in bed together. They should move ops so far east that their fucking hats float, you know, like those purple and lime green derby hats.
Hey 3:45, I need a good P.I. attorney. Some asshole ran me over with his car while on duty. Can you help me out? Can't seem to find a hungry one. I got hurt pretty bad.
Hey 5/03, 11:26, you be on the money
That's all fine and good...but who's watching the mayor?
Hey Donahue
You talk out of both sides of your mouth
TV appearance stating members must still be afforded "DUE PROCESS"
You don't even know the meaning!!
You jag off
The most commonly used term on this "blog" to try to covertly describe people of color. Take a guess? Just waiting on one of you tough guys to use it in my presence. After I tell you your mother's an animal I'll wait for your response. WHAT A DEPARTMENT!
You've got to be softer than puppy shit in the rain to do more than 29+1 day.
http://video.aol.com/video/cops-behaving-badly/1899822
check out this vid of a copper in tampa - traffic stop . got 5 days suspension for doing his job. it's definately hunting season - and we're the game being hunted.
Another dirty cop, 18th Dist. Tac Officer stripped of his police powers. Found driving another guy who was ripping people off with their ATM cards. I hope they fire his ass, better yet, let him spend a few weeks in Cook County Jail with the general population. Remember Ladies and Gents, when one cop is found dirty, ALL SUFFER for it.
5/04/2007 06:15:00 PM
Look me up in 007 I will call you animal opr savage unless you aren't one, asshole. It's a term that is used, and I've seen it used by coppers of every color, go race bait somewhere else Jackson.
Anonymous said...
The most commonly used term on this "blog" to try to covertly describe people of color. Take a guess? Just waiting on one of you tough guys to use it in my presence. After I tell you your mother's an animal I'll wait for your response. WHAT A DEPARTMENT!
5/04/2007 06:15:00 PM
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ha??? Are you drunk with color?
daley will be the enw boss and will give punishment what a jagoff daley and his crew! Is his wife still a b(&ch to the coppers who drive her around? What a demanding queen of chicago!
Glad I'm retiring soon, this Dept. is an embarrassment to work for.
It's a shame the Feds are really not the great investigators they think they are,or Daley would be behind bars by now with his pals George Ryan, Laski, Sorich, etc;etc;etc.
A 100% civilian OPS run by the "reverands?"
Well it was nice being the working police, I'm done, as are many of my collegues.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Wonder Why our "union" didn't hold a press conference right after to counter that short little Irish prick of a Mayor who stood up there with all his "reverends" and other bullshit groups. Stop Policing, let the animal go wild and kill each other, this city could care less about any of you. Get out while you are young.
5/04/2007 08:16:00 AM
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Amen!
I'll be dammed if I lose my house/job/pension to some thug because the reverands people on OPS dont like me.
I'm kicking back until retirement!
Off topic, but did anybody see that our ex-union-pres Deneen got himself a real nice job running security? Pays to be in bed with de mare.
5/04/2007 12:19:00 PM
First of all learn how to spell before the bullsh*t comes out of your mouth. Second of all if you know so much or think you know so much what security is he running?
WHO IS IAD ACOUNTABLE TO? THEIR LAZINESS AND LACK OF INVESTIGATIVE ABILITY HAS FUCKED MORE THAN ONE COPPER OUT OF HIS JOB.
Anonymous said...
Hey 3:45, I need a good P.I. attorney. Some asshole ran me over with his car while on duty. Can you help me out? Can't seem to find a hungry one. I got hurt pretty bad.
Chuck Gale is an injury attorney. He is on Lasalle st. 312 372 0300
Anonymous said...
I like the part where OPS will report directly to the mayor, what a joke this way he can cover up for the connected. This Silly, Silly Daley owned corrupt city.
5/04/2007 12:52:00 PM
yup here is a mayor that can't remember anything and knows nothing.
good quote from Donahue:
"Our concern will be the protection of due process for police officers. ... We totally expect those subpoena powers to be used to clear officers as well as prosecute them," he said.
Don't count on it tho!
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This is not a good quote, it tells me that the FOP has already rolled over and stuck thier ass in the air for this new policy.
only question left is lubed or dry?
It's real simple people, the store front revs don't want you harrassing their peeps and the mayor doesn't want pro-active policing so JUST DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!! Let this city become the super shit hole they want it to be and then let them explain it. Either way we are the ones who are going to be wrong so be wrong with your house, job and pension. Let the crime rate sky rocket. That and the ever dwindling transit system should assure the olympics will never make it to chicago. Daley you're a cocksucker and anybody who voted for you is a cocksucker too.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
"Wonder Why our "union" didn't hold a press conference right after to counter that short little Irish prick of a Mayor who stood up there with all his "reverends" and other bullshit groups. Stop Policing, let the animal go wild and kill each other, this city could care less about any of you. Get out while you are young."
Damn right. This city doesn't care about the thugs or the few police who try to stop them. As long as the yuppies and gentrified are safe in thier part of town. Fuck being the working police for this place. Nothin left in this city but a career of handing out a V.I.N. Fall in line with the rest of the dogs or lose your job to a civilian staffed OPS review board. Great motivation for the P.O.
Protect the neighborhood you live in. period.
OPS has always been civilian!!!!! Lil dick is just talking pol-speak (not polish) to placate the masses. His ole man created the office. Do you actually believe any thing will change? The funding will come out of say the dept of human services or whatever but they still have to be trained. By who? That should be the biggest question. Stay safe.
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