Amusing Scenarios
What if everyone put in for New Years Eve? Or the 3rd of July? Or Christmas Day? Or Bud Billiken Parade Day? Or any number of other dates that usually end up being staffed by officers who would otherwise be pushing a beat car? Or a tact/gang car?
Sure, it's wishful thinking, but we're going to go and encourage everyone to put in a slip for New Year's Eve. Everyone. Beat officers, tactical officers, unit guys and gals, everyone.
Let's start the experiment now. Force the City's hand. Make them violate a Federal Court ruling. At the very least, we get fines and sanctions leveled against the City, it's lawyers and the executive branch. Best scenario, we get tons of time or money, a taxpayer revolt, and maybe an eye opening experience as to who actually keep society running smoothly, even without a contract.
Then we start to apply the real pressure. All you need to play along is time on the books.
Sure, it's wishful thinking, but we're going to go and encourage everyone to put in a slip for New Year's Eve. Everyone. Beat officers, tactical officers, unit guys and gals, everyone.
Let's start the experiment now. Force the City's hand. Make them violate a Federal Court ruling. At the very least, we get fines and sanctions leveled against the City, it's lawyers and the executive branch. Best scenario, we get tons of time or money, a taxpayer revolt, and maybe an eye opening experience as to who actually keep society running smoothly, even without a contract.
Then we start to apply the real pressure. All you need to play along is time on the books.
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posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
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SOUNDS UNREASONABLE. IT WOULD PISS OFF A JUDGE ENOUGH TO SCREW WITH US OR AMEND IT SO IT WOULD HURT US;
The city will file appeal by end of the week, until that is addressed, it's maintain the status quo....don' tforget TACT/GANGS are contract exempt, howdoes this effect them??? Along with non-bid units?
Off Topic:
Thanks for the referrals. Nearly 600 hits today and that is up from our average of 260 a day.
SCS
Is there anything preventing one of us bringing a lawsuit against a thug who fights us and puts us into the hospital, even with minor injuries?
Speaking of lawsuits, anyone see this recent one? Its one where we pull a guy out of a car and "severely" beat him for no reason.
http://cbs2chicago.com/video?id=35558@wbbm.dayport.com
Now the W/C cannot hold over copper' heads to work one man cars on 1st and 3rd. "If we cannot fill the cars, we cannot gibe docu" Heard it a million times, Demand to work 2 man cars. You will be working your RDO' for time and a half.
How about a new holiday...non-suckass day. On this day, everyone who is not indebted to politics or politicians, and everyone who refuses to become same, drops a slip.
Such a holiday would reveal alot!
I cannot wait to try this one the Bud Billikin Parade!
Where can I buy an "SCC is right!" bumper sticker?
I just put in for new years eve. I am in a unit. how many of you patrol division bitchers are going to do the same? I have got a lot more to lose then you guys but if it will get us a contract I am on board. FYI it was just approved.
Off Topic yet another tragic reason why we need rifles in our cars!!
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CUTLER BAY, Fla. - A gunman opened fire on four Miami-Dade County police officers during a traffic stop Thursday, killing one and injuring the other three. Police killed the suspect hours later, authorities said.
Dozens of officers from police departments across South Florida had been searching for 12 hours for the suspect, who investigators identified as Shawn Sherwin Labeet, 25. Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Alvarez said Labeet was found shortly before midnight Thursday in a Pembroke Pines apartment complex about 30 miles north of the initial shooting scene.
"There was an exchange of gunfire and the subject was shot and killed," Alvarez said.
He said the family of the dead officer was informed of Labeet's death.
"They asked us for one thing," Alvarez said. "They asked us to catch the subject. Well, I'm happy to report that shortly before midnight, we found the subject."
Alvarez identified the dead officer as Jose Somohano, 37, a married father of two. Another officer, Jody Wright, 31, underwent several hours of surgery to repair her severely injured leg. The other two officers were treated and released.
The officers were conducting burglary surveillance in the Cutler Bay area of southern Miami-Dade County when they stopped the man because he was driving a car erratically, police spokeswoman Linda O'Brien said. The man opened fire with a high-powered weapon without warning and fled. It was not immediately clear whether the officers returned fire.
Labeet, who may have been wearing a bulletproof vest, fled in his car, which was found abandoned 5 miles away, officials said. An AK-47 assault rifle was found inside, Alvarez said. It wasn't immediately known if it was the weapon used in the shooting.
I am going to buy Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart a drink:
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Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart is taking all the fun out of a stay at the county jail.
Inmates can't get an orange anymore, can't buy packs of Ramen noodles and can't lean against metal fences.
And, perhaps most painful of all, they soon won't be able to watch "The Jerry Springer Show."
It's all part of an effort to curb violence that Dart says has plagued the overcrowded facility for years.
In a Wednesday speech to the City Club of Chicago, Dart outlined several simple steps he has taken in the nine months he has been in office to gain better control of the jail.
Jail stabbings are down 25 percent since 2004, and this year, the number of shanks confiscated dropped from 38 in January to 16 in August.
Dart said he cut off oranges when he learned inmates were stashing them until they fermented, then using them for booze.
Inmates created fires in cells to cook Ramen noodles, he said, caused him to cut off that supply, too.
Other changes at the jail include the style of toothbrushes, aerosol cans and lunch trays used, not letting inmates near metal fences and changing screws used in mirrors, as inmates were using each to create shanks to stab others.
He also said he plans to change all jail TV programming to more educational fare.
Dart also ridiculed the judicial system for its lags, saying some inmates wait seven years for trial.
Policeman's Taunts Caught on Tape Posted: 2007-09-13 23:24:
ST. GEORGE, Mo. (Sept. 13) - A suburban St. Louis police sergeant has been put on unpaid suspension, accused of threatening to invent charges against a driver who caught the exchange on videotape.
The driver, Brett Darrow, 20, recorded Friday's exchange with Sgt. James Kuehnlein with a dashboard video camera he installed after past run-ins with police. (Wonder what these past "run-ins were about?) He posted the video online Saturday.
"I wanted everybody to see that this kind of stuff does happen," Darrow told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch in Tuesday's edition. "I thought if I just go to the chief or whatever, it would just get swept under the rug."
In the video, Kuehnlein approaches Darrow, who was sitting in a parked car at about 2 a.m. in a commuter lot. Kuehnlein asks for identification.
When Darrow asks whether he did anything wrong, the officer orders him out of the car and begins shouting.
"You want to try me? You want to try me tonight? You think you have a bad night? I will ruin your night. Do you want to try me tonight, young boy?"
Darrow says no.
"Do you want to go to jail for some (expletive) reason I come up with?" the police officer says. Later, Darrow says, "I don't want any problems, officer."
After about 10 minutes, Darrow is allowed to go.
The recording, posted on Google Video and YouTube on the Internet, brought more than 300 protest calls to St. George Police Chief Scott Uhrig.
"I was very displeased when I saw the actions on the video," Uhrig said. "My officers are not trained and taught to act like that."
A listed number could not be found for Kuehnlein for comment.
Uhrig said Kuehnlein stopped to talk to Darrow because police have received reports of thefts from cars in the area. But Uhrig said the officer's actions and tone were inappropriate.
"Someone either violated the law or they didn't. You don't say, I'll lock you up and then come up with why afterward," Uhrig said.
The so called suicide of John Stroger's godson (Under Federal Investigation for corruption) is very similar to the so called suicide of Hillary Clinton's law firm partner, Vicent Foster.
Hmmmmmmmmmm both were under Federal Investigation for corruption and both are very suspicious in the way they committed suicide!
I wonder if Todd Stroger was running to get the godson's legal paperwork.... Just like Hillary stole all of Vince Foster's legal paperwork?
I have a feeling this is going to blow up to be the biggest news story in Chicago in a long time!
Interesting scenario, but of course you realize that you have just advocated a job action. Which is and of itself a violation of the contract and a firing offense without union protection? I forsee the city seeing the potential of just such scenarios doing away with time due entirely you will get your earned vacation bfd's p days once those are gone your done for the year especially if people keep advocating actions such as you are.Its a far better route to just sit back and let the dust settle rather than publicizing any sort of ideas that they can react to before the issue is ironed out with agreements not that just such a scenario hasn't occured to them but why give them the ammo in writing?
I am saving all my time due to take CU off the whole time the Olympics are in Chicago. I'll show them~!
My New Years Eve slip is in!
Hey...it's dress down Friday. Can we all come to work in jeans and pajamas too? What a great way to instill discipline in the ranks. Let's see, the taxpayer pays for our uniform allowance and those not assigned to civilian dress duties get to relax every Friday because they are so overworked.
Do you not see that everyone putting in slips at the same time would cause this "Undue Disruption of Service" that the court stated was necessary to deny time. This is the level that the court said the city would have to prove to deny time.
These "Amusing Scenarios" would NEVER happen.
I think people are jumping the gun on this thinking that whole watches can put in a slip for the same day or that anyone can just throw in a slip for any day they want to in order to gangster the city for anything. Think again.
Some of the people on the job will attempt to abuse this ruling and we will end up to the point where "Undue Disruption of Service" is defined the same way as "manpower." In other words just another vague term open to arbitrary and capricious interpretation.
Being retired and reading about just how bad things in the department are. You, SCC come up with some hairy ass idea that will only make things worse.
Them and Us syndrome. Go ahead and bite the hand that feeds you. If anyone doesn't like the job {no one forced you to take it} find another job in the private sector that will pay as well.
When the so called Union came in, it took away much discretion a boss had in granting {time}. So now we have bad bosses.Too bad, once a very fine organization, now down to bickering over every little thing.
It's not advocating a "job action" to tell people, "Hey, you can use the Comp time you earned any time you want!" and then name a couple of dates that have been typically used by the City to deny officers time off over and over and over.
I heard the city has already filed an appeal. It will be tied up in court for years.
Pallidin
I really enjoy all you smart asses who feel so put out because the city expects you to do your job according to the job description you took an oath to do, not the way you interpret it. Why dont you just fucking quit if you dont like it instead of whining like you do charity work for free.
boy o boy KEEP THINKING JUDGES GIVE A SHIT.
ALL THAT WOULD DO IS GIVE THE CITY AMMO.
TRUST ME THEY HAVE A MINIMAL NUMBER IN MIND FOR HOW MANY PEOPL CAN WORK THEY JUST DONT WANT US TO KNOW.
WHOLE WATCHES HAVE TRIED AND PUT IN SLIPS.
WATCH PARTIES ETC. REMEBER OTHER DIST COVERING YOUR BEAT. IT HAS HAPPENED AND THEY STILL HAD CARS TO MAN THE DIST.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070913/D8RKQJ2O0.html
SCC this should be a topic philly police chief wants 10,000 BLACK MEN to patrol the street because of all the violence! Hey Why Not white men? Guess the shootings are only done in the black areas!
Anonymous said...
People don't see what the city will end up doing to aleviate this problem.
All comp time on the books now will be paid in cash. Everyone will them have a zero time balance and all overtime in the future will be paid in cash.
You have seen the last of comp time and the city will be able to man the beats as they please.
A retired po
9/13/2007 07:15:00 PM
Mark the word of an old retired secretary.
Anonymous said...
Being retired and reading about just how bad things in the department are. You, SCC come up with some hairy ass idea that will only make things worse.
Them and Us syndrome. Go ahead and bite the hand that feeds you. If anyone doesn't like the job {no one forced you to take it} find another job in the private sector that will pay as well.
When the so called Union came in, it took away much discretion a boss had in granting {time}. So now we have bad bosses.Too bad, once a very fine organization, now down to bickering over every little thing.
9/14/2007 06:05:00 AM
Hey Jagoff I am also have much time, when the union was not here they changed your DOG so you did not get weekends, we were fucked over a lot more what is the matter goof alzsheimers kicking in? Or let me guess you were a clout pet boy?
Have it Better Than Most said...
The city will file appeal by end of the week, until that is addressed, it's maintain the status quo....don' tforget TACT/GANGS are contract exempt, howdoes this effect them??? Along with non-bid units?
9/13/2007 11:52:00 PM
Case law a judges order, it covers everybody now until the city takes comp time away.
A retired old secretary
shit, put in a slip and then realized i was rdo!
I can't do this I might get kicked out of tru and put back in 16.
Here's a question...if you guys hate being cops so much, why don't you do something else?
Like accounting, maybe advertising?
3:08 is right on the money
cpd is in process of a new order , no more comp time you'll be paid for all overtime in money
and possibly buying back all comp time on the books it will save them money in the future by not having to pay ot and no more 2 hours on the end need 2hrs on the end will be wothout pay
be carefull what you wish for
I think alot of good points have been made on both sides of the coin.
The point I think that was trying to be made was that the city or its agents in cases like this the WC can't just decide he needs all his cars up so only 1 or 2 special people can have TD.
The lawsuits reasons and the judges decision are simple. The city must have enough staff to allow a reasonable amount of officers to use earned compensatory time. It is not any of the rank and files problem if the city doesn't have enough police officers. The city claimed we don't have any cops. The judge said go hire some and start granting TD or give OT to those officers who want it.
The mess is far from over. The city will file an appeal to stall. The contract negotiations will centainly go alot longer now that a new item is on the table. As one poster said the language is a little vague in the judges decision. The city will play games as always and say we are cooperating with the spirit of the judges ruling. I don't see alot changing in the near future except for a pile of grievances.
Someday five years down the road will see the changes that this lawsuit has made. I believe some consolidation of certain units will be made and more officers will be sent back to dists or officers who are detailed out will not longer be allowed to kept on the dist their from books.
In the District I work, I have never been denied any CU request I have put in. I have 3 years on the job, and I work on the southside. So I really don't know what all the fuss is. We're busy in my District on 3rd watch, but people still take off when they need to. I can't speak for other Districts, but it's not bad where I work. I have been bounced around a little between 1st & 3rd watch, but other than that, I love this job, and I like my District too.
I usually agree with you SCC, but lets see how this plays out before we encourage what amounts to a job action.
New lawsuit coming up. The interview portion of the mounted unit included questioning members with children what their childcare situations are, being that the unit may require short notices to report. Big no-no, can't ask childcare situations during interviews.
Idiot idea, which shows we can't handle the responsiblity coming to us with this new court ruling.
You assholes make too much money for all of your whining. Go swing a sledgehammer for a few days and get some perspective.
Hey, Filmore and the retired suckass the reason there was a ruling is that W/Cs in the name of the city have arbitrarily and habitually denied time due for so long it takes a Federal Judge to order them to treat us fairly and still the City attempts to fuck us by appealling the ruling instead of just meekly saying we are sorry for causing Officers stress in their personal lives and we will do all in our power to treat the officers fairly. The W/C yesterday was bloviating about how he tries to give as much time as possible yadda yadda yadda, funny, I have been denied three times in six months and I always put the slip in at least a week prior to the date unless OBE. Time Due is not a "little" thing retiree it's making it to weddings, birthday parties, family functions so take your mouth off of the stuttering prick's prick and STFU.
CPD bretheren: The grass isn't greener on the other side; thanks to this fucking guy Palcu!
I mean, WTF? he is single-handedly going to ruin the Cook County Sheriff's Police. Our elected non-lawman Sheriff just stands there like no problem!
We are right back to the old days of Malinowski/Fitzgerald. The Chief has ZERO power and authority. Nothing happens unless fearless John approves it.
Well, since you are the "dude", why do you and your man-puppets alarmboy and fatlock do something contructive?
1. When is Jimmy Knapp going to be memorialized on the wall with our other fallen officers Ridges and Rusnak? I mean, he died in the line of duty too!!
2. This pool car situation is awful. Taxicabs look better than our fleet! A guy lives 200 feet out of the county and he has to park his shit at the courthouse? C'mon! We got guys living in Olympia Fields and they drive to the Meadows! They get to take their car home and I don't? I am aware the the Coal City and Burlington contingents screwed us, but give me a break already!
3. Medical? You want medicals? Go ahead and fuck with the schedule. You really want the medicals to go away? Then do something positive for us for once. Work to boost the morale.... Do your part as the First Deputy to leave a lasting legacy of trust, honor and pride; not fear, sorrow and burnout. We need people. These people need equipment. They need to be trained well (our FTO program is a JOKE!) and they need to be recognized for a job well done when appropriate. Morale is ZERO now.
4. The radios suck. Motorola really fucked the county on this one. God help us if one of our cops gets killed because these 5000 dollar radios doesn't work.
5. The uniforms. When are we going to start to resemble a quasi-military organization rather than a bunch of rag-tag misfits? Get rid of those STUPID BDU's, ballcaps, gymshoes, nylon belts, etc. and standardize on our class A uniforms.... We look like UPS drivers or exterminators, and not the police!
6. The secret promo interviews. You MUST be joking! Some guys get to go to your private clubhouse at the SSMCTF for their little stroke job, and the rest of us mutts get our mass-interviews with some Commander? HELLO SHAKMAN????
Chief, the blame doesn't rest solely with you.... Our fucked up local needs to get off of their agenda(s) and get a contract like the Sergeants got.
Our heroes in patrol need to get out of the gas station and handle some calls...... Quit blowing off stuff! What? Are you motherfuckers overworked?
We need a buyout to get rid of all the old decrepid deadweight....FAST!
Sorry for the rant. I am just fed up with all the bullshit. I just hope that CPD realizes that the grass isn't greener on the other side.
Regards,
Your brother on 43's beat.
According to our (expired) contract Section 20.2 --Compensation For Overtime, "The officer, shall have the option of electing pay or compensatory time, at the rate of time-and-one-half, for approved overtime hours worked..."
It's important to note the OFFICER has the option of selecting pay or comp time, not a supervisor nor the city. Unless bargained away, this is guaranteed in the contract, so as stated elsewhere on the blog, it is unlikely the city can simply eliminate the comp time option unilaterally.
As SCC correctly states, this is huge! Even members with little time on the job should be able to enjoy holidays with their families, or simply be able to make plans more than four days a year by using personal days.
Personally, I would work several RDOs a month for time and half insteady of the hassle and straight time of CTA special.
Frankly, I don't see manpower shortages on holidays. According to the contract, if an officer is required to work a holiday on his RDO, he is entitled to 24 hours of comp time!!! Maybe I'll be able to afford a house on the North-side after all.
fine,take your time due to prove a point. put one man cars out there with coppers with less then two year on the job. someone will get hurt or worse, killed... but we proved our point. even if the city were forced to correct the problem and hire more coppers, it would take at least a year and a half before it would have any effect on the streets. the point of this is to not be denied time due when you request it. not to stick it up the dept's ass which will be seen as retaliatory and we'll end up loosing comp time altogether.
what's going on with Durkin Park, heard that the States Attorney Office is trying to turn it all around and make the white kids at fault. the kids and their families are being harrassed and threatened with grand jury subpeonas. they've already been interviewed but are now basically being called liars and dragged before the grand jury. were the black kids and mexican kids also dragged before the grand jury?
fillmoreranger said...
Interesting scenario, but of course you realize that you have just advocated a job action. Which is and of itself a violation of the contract and a firing offense without union protection? I forsee the city seeing the potential of just such scenarios doing away with time due entirely you will get your earned vacation bfd's p days once those are gone your done for the year especially if people keep advocating actions such as you are.Its a far better route to just sit back and let the dust settle rather than publicizing any sort of ideas that they can react to before the issue is ironed out with agreements not that just such a scenario hasn't occured to them but why give them the ammo in writing?
9/14/2007 03:08:00 AM
OH RIGHT, SURE - YOU CAN'T GET 5 COPPERS TO AGREE WHERE TO EAT LUNCH ANYMORE... FEAR NOT MY FILLMORE BROTHER, YOUR CONCERNS WILL NEVER BECOME REALITY
LET'S GO BACK TO ROTAING WATCHES. I LIKED THAT BETTER. I ALSO LIKED WHEN OLDTIMERS ON DAYS WERE OLDTIMERS....NO ONE WITH 2 YEARS ON THE JOB SHOULD BE ASSIGNED TO DAYS.....
Tact/Gangs ARE NOT EXEMPT from the FOP Contract. They voluntarily give up some of the provisions while on Tact/Gangs but are still covered by contract. However the Dept. could make you forego this provision if you want to work Tact/Gangs just like those in Tact/Gangs now who are subject to different provisions while working Tact.
This is why you should take Job Action. I recently emailed the New York City FOP to find out what their retirees pay for hospitalization insurance. I received a prompt reply and the rep from the NYC FOP stated that they DO NOT PAY ANYTHING!!!!!Thank you Mayor Daley and the Chicago FOP. Now there's a reason for a "Job Action"
Four officers shot in Florida during as traffic stop. One dead, one critical, two released. Now more than ever you need to acept an in-car camera. Read what happened in St. Louis. Now people and their organization are filming coppers, taunting them verbally into a reaction to post and a law suit later. Wake up folks!
You can use time due any time you want.
Thanks to the above post the Dept is already drafting a order stating that on the days you mentioned in the post along with a host of others, NO elective time will be granted due to a SPECIAL event and the need for additional man power.
You can say good buy to Day off Holiday for ever!
Becarful what you wish for...
If everybody on tact put in a slip for Bud Billiken day, and this would cause an "undue disruption" then the City can deny time by senority. Let them send PPOs. We do overtime assignments, details, watches, furloughs by senority. Why not time due?
I'm in. I plan on using a PDay :)
Now the W/C cannot hold over copper' heads to work one man cars on 1st and 3rd. "If we cannot fill the cars, we cannot gibe docu" Heard it a million times, Demand to work 2 man cars. You will be working your RDO' for time and a half.
THERE IS NOTHING WRITTEN SAYING YOU HAVE TO BE A 2MAN UNIT AT ANY TIME... ...
My question is two fold:
1. Aren't holidays considered "day off holiday" and comp time not utilized?
2. Can the City and FOP negotiate in the next contract, the elimination of compensatory time as an option, in instead pay us for all overtime/ holidays? And in addition orchestrate a "one time" buy out of all amassed compensatory time over a period of time? This would be expensive, but in the meantime, eliminate all problems with staffing, and future problems with bidgeting. Don't know if any of our current "exempts" are slick enough to think of this, but i guarantee you one of them will steal the idea if someone could only read it out loud to them.
it's about time. it's your time, you should be able to use it.
whats the definition of ample time? one week, 10 days, 1 month. a lot of the time you don't know or need the day off until a couple days before that particular day.
I have a feeling this is going to blow up to be the biggest news story in Chicago in a long time!
9/14/2007 02:42:00 AM
Jones left his position in county government to create a lobbying firm in association with Tony Rezko, who has been indicted on fraud charges.
Recent reports from Las Vegas also claim that he was the target of a federal investigation stemming from a hospital deal that he negotiated.
Cook County Commissioner Tony Peraica says Jones' untimely death, while firstly is a human tragedy, also raises many questions about the Cook County president's office.
“Some of these matters Jones was involved in that are currently being investigated by the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's Office are reaching to the highest level of county government,” Peraica said.
I luv how every small minded person thins this is a win. Do you really think that daley is going to hire more officers to compensate for the lack of manpower? Of course not or he would have already done it. Does anyone realize how much money in taxes we save by being able to take our overtime in comp time instead of cash. Our overtime is taxed at a higher percentage also. Why do you think people save their comp time until they retire. This is going to force the city into either elimiating time due all together or put limits on how long we can hold onto it. Now with current contract negotiations, is our FOP going to be able to get something in there to protect us from allowing the city to elimate or put time contstaints on comp time? No we will have to wait until the next contract. I don't think anyone has thought of all the bad things that can come out of this.
To 12:10:00 -----thats a great question anyone know the answer?
When the so called Union came in, it took away much discretion a boss had in granting {time}. So now we have bad bosses.Too bad, once a very fine organization, now down to bickering over every little thing.
9/14/2007 06:05:00 AM
When did bosses use fair discretion? In the 1970's, you dropped to the drunk district
secretary for a day off. Or if you were irish. Who are you kidding? Without the union life for a beat officer sucked. We fought hard to gain rights from political white shirts. Change days off and never have a weekend to spend with your family. You needed a supply of white enveloupes for everything.
this is guaranteed in the contract,
NOTHING is guaranteed in a contract that doesn't yet exist....
talked to my retired father about this today. He seemed to think it was unreasonable(at first) for the FOP to file such a law suit.
Upon further discussion and explaination he couldnt believe that we are so short of blue shirts. I explained that 1st and 3rd watches are running short cars and in some cases running one man cars on those watchs.
Explained TRU, the number of exempts that have been made etc.
His response was "You should all get together and agree on a certain day then see if the department denies your time." Ive got a slip ready to go and Im waiting to denied so I can march down to a FSLA attorney and file my suit.
To 9/14/2007 12:20:00 PM
OH RIGHT, SURE - YOU CAN'T GET 5 COPPERS TO AGREE WHERE TO EAT LUNCH ANYMORE... FEAR NOT MY FILLMORE BROTHER, YOUR CONCERNS WILL NEVER BECOME REALITY
I am not concerned that this would happen. My concern is by putting in writing that people are advocating using this new found right to punish the city, it may very well sway future decisions from the bench.
as for 9/14/2007 10:35:00 AM
Gee, after 25 yrs on the job I didn't realize this was happening I also can't make much sense of your rambling or what it has to do with my initial comment so until you can intelligently make a counterpoint why don't you STFU?
Is there anything preventing one of us bringing a lawsuit against a thug who fights us and puts us into the hospital, even with minor injuries?
To 12:10:00 -----thats a great question anyone know the answer?
Just the fact that the usual offender has no assets to sue for, so no lawyers will take the case becuase there is no money to be made for elimniates this option.
However if you are lucky enough to
get an offender that has money nothing prevents it. It has been done in the past same applies to traffic accidents were a civilian is at fault you have to reimburse the dept it's expenses but you get thew rest.
Idea's like this are why we don't get anything, ridiculous you are.
"If we cannot fill the cars, we cannot gibe docu" Heard it a million times........
gibe docu? you heard that a million times?
why don't all you hair gel police quit all you do is arrest 1 baggers for the court time and hide at the white hen & 7/11 stores
the sos and tru are the real deal
Can someone tell the bailiff/turnkey from county that we could give a shit where he has to park his take home car or how the big bad chief ruined his life.
Go find your own blog.
3:08 is right on the money
cpd is in process of a new order , no more comp time you'll be paid for all overtime in money
and possibly buying back all comp time on the books it will save them money in the future by not having to pay ot and no more 2 hours on the end need 2hrs on the end will be wothout pay
be carefull what you wish for
9/14/2007 08:59:00 AM
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Read your contract dipshit.
gibe docu? you heard that a million times?
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Hey Mr. spelling police....the "b" on the keyboard is right next to the "v". It was a typo. docu=day off CU, so bite it you nitpicking jerkoff.
to Have it Better Than Most said...
The city will file appeal by end of the week, until that is addressed, it's maintain the status quo....don' tforget TACT/GANGS are contract exempt, howdoes this effect them??? Along with non-bid units?
Uh no Patrolmen are contract exepmt
said...
Is there anything preventing one of us bringing a lawsuit against a thug who fights us and puts us into the hospital, even with minor injuries?
Speaking of lawsuits, anyone see this recent one? Its one where we pull a guy out of a car and "severely" beat him for no reason.
http://cbs2chicago.com/video?id=35558@wbbm.dayport.com
9/14/2007 12:10:00 AM
You can sue them but generally they have no money and srent likely to get any soon
Anonymous said...
In the District I work, I have never been denied any CU request I have put in. I have 3 years on the job, and I work on the southside. So I really don't know what all the fuss is. We're busy in my District on 3rd watch, but people still take off when they need to. I can't speak for other Districts, but it's not bad where I work. I have been bounced around a little between 1st & 3rd watch, but other than that, I love this job, and I like my District too.
9/14/2007 09:43:00 AM
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You can sue the offender. I know several officers who have done this.
However, it's hard to find an offender with money.
Second, if you win, the city will go after you to recoupe their costs for medical treatment, paid time off, and the like.
the sos and tru are the real deal
9/14/2007 09:30:00 PM
If thats the case then I guess the "real deal" ain't what it used to be!
"Anonymous said...
WHOLE WATCHES HAVE TRIED AND PUT IN SLIPS.
WATCH PARTIES ETC. REMEBER OTHER DIST COVERING YOUR BEAT. IT HAS HAPPENED AND THEY STILL HAD CARS TO MAN THE DIST.
9/14/2007 07:42:00 AM"
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Yes for one district and one watch party, it can be done. Do the same citywide for New Years Eve and it WILL be a different story. It will cause an undue disruption of service and the city will easily be able to deny your time.
Having to detail people to other districts for basic police service to cover for entire watches taking c.u. could also be called an undue disruption of service.
FUCK i must really be an old timer.I never heard of"gibe docu" or give docu for that matter.Not even docu.Sounds really COOL though!
Very funny SCC! HOw old are you ten? Stooping to the level you complain about is really mature.
First, the holidays are "exempt" from time provisions.
Second, go ahead, price yourself out of a job. Put such a burden on the city, you have to be laid-off! Ha Ha, I know how much time you have so that would be funny!
Hows that gig at KMart working out?
Go back in your hole troll! Ehm, pardon me, Asshat!
When I came on the job, if you had more than 40 hours on the books, come furlough, you lost it.
That when there was no paid overtime, and only hour for hour comp time.
If the city didn't keep drqaining the districts and putting all the manpower into the "elite" units and offices there would always be enough manpower so getting time off would seldom be a problem.
buy sheriff Tom Dart a drink....WTF????? What planet are U from??? He's a political hack...but he, at least is trying to gain control of the Cook County Jail...CONTROL???!!!murderers and thugs run the jail...they tried CONTROL before with their SORT unit...too many brutality complaints from assholes who are inately BRUTAL...just look at the guy (Stroger) who slipped in under daddy's name who's in charge of this toilet...
Boys and girls....When I came on the job, NOBODY LIKED THE POLICE..this CAPS thing is all political get a paying, non-work position, bull-shit...U guys are the last resort...back up even the assholes...they wear the same blue...U are the people that show up to face hell, when others are afraid to look out their fucking windows...!!!
Yea, here we are with the time-due thing..don't you people know, that the house-mice and general suck-holes ALWAYS get their time off; the on-the-street, working coppers,are ALWAYS the last to get time off...WHY ??? because UR not in front of moron bosses giving them donuts or coffee...U are doing your job by being the police and patroling the streets...bosses think UR SHIT...WHY?? BECAUSE U get the CR#'s they have to deal with.....
I always like to hear from people who say " if you don't like it, then just fucking quit..." That is a moron sergeant talking, or the son of a moron...who wants to be a boss...where would labor unions be with the attitude "just fucking quit"...fuck that....CHANGE THE SYSTEM...AND CHANGE THE ASSHOLES WHO THINK THEY ARE IN CHARGE...
Anonymous said...
In the District I work, I have never been denied any CU request I have put in. I have 3 years on the job, and I work on the southside. So I really don't know what all the fuss is. We're busy in my District on 3rd watch, but people still take off when they need to. I can't speak for other Districts, but it's not bad where I work. I have been bounced around a little between 1st & 3rd watch, but other than that, I love this job, and I like my District too.
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. . . "I have 3 years on the job" . . .
That's the problem kid. Shutup and wait til' you have at least 10 years and get screwed over a few times.
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Why, because he tells it like it is in his district and enjoys the job, fuck off, you my friend are the stroke.
How does the holidays day off holiday work i called fop and they did not have a definite answer anyone on here know? is it by seniority? By first in? By clout?
Rambling? It was a well thought out reply/explanation to your post. All I said was if the city had treated us fairly with respect to TD there would not have been the need for such a ruling. However, when a company man hears of the peasants considering an uprising he instantly starts braying "lordy lordy don't you be uppity and fight for your rights massa might accuse you of a job action" I stand by my earlier request of STFU.
I hope this protest day off is publicized here so I know which day to keep my family home and my "homeland defense" weapons locked and loaded.
fillmoreranger said...
Interesting scenario, but of course you realize that you have just advocated a job action. Which is and of itself a violation of the contract and a firing offense without union protection? I forsee the city seeing the potential of just such scenarios doing away with time due entirely you will get your earned vacation bfd's p days once those are gone your done for the year especially if people keep advocating actions such as you are.Its a far better route to just sit back and let the dust settle rather than publicizing any sort of ideas that they can react to before the issue is ironed out with agreements not that just such a scenario hasn't occured to them but why give them the ammo in writing?
9/14/2007 03:08:00 AM
Hey there ranger rick....the city CANNOT AFFORD to do away with time due. They would have to pay out an ungodly amount to anyone with time on the books, not to mention they would have to actually pay cash for every overtime incident. FLSA requires that we are compensated for overtime....get rid of time, all that is left is cash...something the city keeps saying it doesn't have. Dropping a slip is not blue flu...its taking time that is DUE.
Very funny SCC!
Thank you!
HOw old are you ten?
No, we're twelve
Stooping to the level you complain about is really mature.
No it isn't. It's a gut reaction to being kicked in the nads a bit too often
First, the holidays are "exempt" from time provisions. Second, go ahead, price yourself out of a job. Put such a burden on the city, you have to be laid-off! Ha Ha, I know how much time you have so that would be funny!
Listen son, what you think you know wouldn't fill a thimble. You know how many people they'd have to lay off to get near us? We still remember Patrol Specialists, Watch parties and Captains who earned their rank. We aren't going anywhere
Hows that gig at KMart working out?
$26 per hour, thank you very much. And the pretty blonde manager tips us off to the Blue Light Specials a week in advance, so we really clean up.
Go back in your hole troll! Ehm, pardon me, Asshat!
Nice try troll, but we think we've pointed out the asshat here
"Anonymous said...
How does the holidays day off holiday work i called fop and they did not have a definite answer anyone on here know? is it by seniority? By first in? By clout?
9/15/2007 12:20:00 PM"
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Seniority. Just like the opportunity to WORK the holiday in the Units that operate on a skeleton crew.
what's going on with Durkin Park, heard that the States Attorney Office is trying to turn it all around and make the white kids at fault. the kids and their families are being harrassed and threatened with grand jury subpeonas. they've already been interviewed but are now basically being called liars and dragged before the grand jury. were the black kids and mexican kids also dragged before the grand jury?
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Ummm the white kids were the ones who started it!
Just put in for new yaers eve and Christmas eve have to get it! time and 1/2 yeah thats the ticket hire us back in the old days we worked the beat on rdo on our beat for straight time now we will get time +1/2!
I remember good Old Capt. Quaid, we never were denied time due etc.... he kept 2 sets of manpower sheets one for the ivory tower and one for the District. No one on his watch signed up for the law suit not because they were kissing ass but because he gave time due, period. He rarely said no but when he did he was rather sympathetic towards the PO. A true Prince if ever there was one. He would even work with you so you could work your RDO and take have the day you needed as your RDO. Make more Capt. Quaids and the Morale on this Dept. would take off into orbit, no joke.
You can use time due any time you want.
Thanks to the above post the Dept is already drafting a order stating that on the days you mentioned in the post along with a host of others, NO elective time will be granted due to a SPECIAL event and the need for additional man power.
You can say good buy to Day off Holiday for ever!
Becarful what you wish for...
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A special event does not mean every copper in the city has to work it. Allowing time off would not create an disruption of service. The city doesn't know how to manage its resources in case you haven't figured that out. Tell me why you need every tact team & every inside person to stand around at Bud Billiken? I will grieve it if they deny me time off on a holiday or special event. Let THEM prove how this causes a disruption of service!
I remember good Old Capt. Quaid, we never were denied time due etc.... he kept 2 sets of manpower sheets one for the ivory tower and one for the District. No one on his watch signed up for the law suit not because they were kissing ass but because he gave time due, period. He rarely said no but when he did he was rather sympathetic towards the PO. A true Prince if ever there was one. He would even work with you so you could work your RDO and take have the day you needed as your RDO. Make more Capt. Quaids and the Morale on this Dept. would take off into orbit, no joke.
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This is true. I remember 2 W/C's in 009 that would allow us to switch days off so we could save our comp time. This doesn't happen much anymore.
STOP...This bullshit...The City got fucked,,Now the house boys are cUming to defend the city...We win one and everone fells bad..The City hates you..the would like to see a dead copper than a bad guy...its true..They do everthing in thier power th fuck you over,and you come back for more.Lay coppers off,bullshit..Thier are only 9000 of us anyway..HA HA City of Chicago..Now how does it fell...
You assholes make too much money for all of your whining. Go swing a sledgehammer for a few days and get some perspective.
9/14/2007 10:13:00 AM
well for starters, I do swing a sledgehammer everyday while I'm busting down doors on search warrants looking for drug dealer gang banging pieces of shits armed with guns that don't want to go to jail.
perspective huh. it's obvious you wouldn't last one day being the police, especially in the ghetto districts I've worked in over my career. the first time you see somebody with a gun shooting, your pussy ass would be running the other way crying or the first time you saw a mutilated dead body, your pussy ass would be throwing up and shitting in your pants. Fuck You!
To anonymous 1:22 - most guys would not know what to do with a rifle in their car if they had one...most guys don't shoot more than their required to on their duty gun, you think they'll spend the time to get trained up on a rifle? Youre out of your mind. Theyll just get someone (like themselves or another one of us) killed.
maybe the city will have to lay off a 1,000 hair gel police
I'm a 20year officer and will gladly work my day off for time and a half shoot i'll be makin as much as the bosses and the city won't have to pay benefits bfd personal and vacation to the hair gel police i almost forget the medical hahaha thanks guys
Here's the answer:
Assign everybody in the CPD to the 25 districts. Yes everybody, from the supt on down. Then detail the ones that are really needed back to their specialized duties on a temporary basis. When a district runs short, empty out the tower, Homan Square, Traffic, etc. Some say it can't be done, but the contract gives the city the right to eliminate and create units as necessary. Simple, huh?
A couple of smart kids from Mt. Carmel could fill in all the details.
why don't all you hair gel police quit all you do is arrest 1 baggers for the court time and hide at the white hen & 7/11 stores
the sos and tru are the real deal.
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Please do not associate us with TRU
Contract,Contract,Contract ect... I've been on the job for some time now & am considered an old-timer. I've read lot of these comments & I keep reading over & over the word"Contract" I don't know if this is just a convienent word to use or people are just ignorant of the fact that we DO NOT have a "Contract" The F.O.P. has a "Collective Bargaining AGREEMENT" w/the City of Chicago. & as police officers we do not have a "Union", we have a Fraternal Organization that by our vote,has the right to represent chicago police officers below the rank of sgt.What this means,as the more veteran officers already know is that the "City" from the Mayor down to the new sgt. that has a hard-on for you could care less about violating the "AGREEMENT" b/c their attitude is "Screw 'em,let them grieve it" They know your gonna win but by the time it's heard & you get back what you've lost the a/h that took it from you is either a gold star or retired. Moral; Until the rank & file get a real Contract,Binding arbitration,Binding single issue arbitration full seniority rights, the no strike claus removed & full indemnification, we will continue to be treated like endentured servants by members of "THE CLUB" that founded this department.Of coarse the above "wish list",we all know,the kid that got hired yesterday will long be retired & still none of these changes will be in place...
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