Surprise! Cameras Don't Work
In England, one of the most camera infested countries in the world:
- Massive investment in CCTV cameras to prevent crime in the UK has failed to have a significant impact, despite billions of pounds spent on the new technology, a senior police officer piloting a new database has warned. Only 3% of street robberies in London were solved using CCTV images, despite the fact that Britain has more security cameras than any other country in Europe.
- Use of CCTV images for court evidence has so far been very poor, according to Detective Chief Inspector Mick Neville, the officer in charge of the Metropolitan police unit. "CCTV was originally seen as a preventative measure," Neville told the Security Document World Conference in London. "Billions of pounds has been spent on kit, but no thought has gone into how the police are going to use the images and how they will be used in court. It's been an utter fiasco: only 3% of crimes were solved by CCTV. There's no fear of CCTV. Why don't people fear it? [They think] the cameras are not working."
One of England's solutions? Spend billions more on biometric recognition systems still undeveloped and use stored data backed up by written descriptions! Somehow, we suspect that England is taking cues from CPD. Expensive but unusable technology, few cops on the beat, clearance rates in the sewer. Anyone know if the Chicago Machine opened an English branch?
Labels: crime
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
25 Comments:
But luberman told our dear mayor that they work so it must be true.
well big fellow what do the pod people do any way. There is a whole group of them useless people getting a bull shit award at the police awards dinner on 9 May 08.
Pod-din to the left pod-din to the right, pod-din my way to a do nothing pod-din political career on the cpd
While travelling rhe French Riviera, I learned that the Principality of Monaco has monitored COMPLETE taped video coverage for all streets as well as the casino at Monte Carlo. However, it only measures 0.8 square miles.
While many of the wealthiest people in the world visit and live within Monaco, street crime is virtually non-existent.
Didn't our founding fathers fight and win Independence from the inbred morons whose descendants still reside and rule that little island off the coast of France, some 230+ years ago?
Maybe someone from 001 or 018 could weigh in here? I figure with the amount of retail establishment there they must handle a large amount of shoplifters.
They have to get video from the stores. Is that video used in court proceedings?
Sorry so long..I found this on a community posting-seems relavent to our plea!
Gang activity exists in every suburb, from Naperville to Harvey. The difference lies in the level and type of activity. In Naperville, the well-heeled residents who paid big scratch for “good schools” are not going to tolerate loitering, graffiti, crack houses, stashes of Mac-10s being unloaded from U-Hauls, open air drug dealing, shootings, and other garbage. They can afford a good police force and to equip them with all the toys they need. And they don’t hesitate to call them. So the gang activity is going to be underground product distribution -- wannabe white tough guys being used by the organized gangs to peddle drugs supplied from elsewhere to their wealthy friends. There’s enough of a market and enough cash to be made there and in other affluent suburbs so that turf wars are rare. Plus, the gangs know if they kill someone in Naperville, there’s going to be heat, and no business wants to kill the customers and pretty sales reps anyway. The challenge in Naperville is not avoiding the gangs but finding them.
In prairiestate’s neighborhoods, you have a much less affluent population. The residents of these areas tend to be mistrustful of police and unlikely to call when they see problems. They respond to a survival of the fittest mentality – where the strong are feared and not to be trifled with. The punks are highly visible and out and about 24/7 maintaining an atmosphere of intimidation. Their “tags” are all over the place, and open air dealing and drug houses are blatant. Weapons and drug stashes are stored there and crack is manufactured there because residents will look the other way and police presence is low. I’ve heard stories from credible sources of citizens leaving their doors unlocked so the punks have a place to hide when the police do come.
Because of the desirability of these neighborhoods to gangs, turf wars are frequent, as are killings resulting from “inter-organizational” disputes. Where the Naperville account rep stabs his competition in the back figuratively to get that big promotion to Vice President of Midwest Regional Sales, the Englewood gang banger does it literally. At this point, the public, and Chicago Police Department, are desensitized to people being killed in gang disputes in poor south and west side neighborhoods. And Daley’s administration is too focused on gentrification to care anyway. Their solution is, basically, to push them somewhere else -- primarily into poor south suburbs which have limited resources and ill-funded and ill-equipped police departments susceptible to corruption. So Chicagoland certainly isn’t getting any help from the City on this. The markets and factories are just being shuffled around.
Organized gangs aren’t stupid. They’re businessmen, and conduct themselves in a way where they face the least risk and the most profit. As a rule of thumb, if you want to know how visible gangs are going to be in a given area, follow the money. The less affluent the area, the more likely there is to be a problem, with “problem” defined as a visible, dangerous and unchecked presence. I guess, in short, you’d much rather live in the mall than in the factory.
Being a former aggressive P.O. I have had many a conversation with GDs, BDs,Stones,MCs, and VLs. They are all aware of the work slow down. They are also very aware that the camera is their ticket to a lawsuit. They congregate by the pods hoping to be randomly searched without probable cause. They also are strategicly placing their people (with cameras) on streets where they apply their trade hoping to be randomly searched. Be aware people, be very aware. The elitist folks running our city have destroyed it.
The cameras are an important piece of technology that will assist in law enforcement and keeeping this city safe.We need to do more with technology.Just look at all the red light cameras that I put up in the white nieghborhoods.You people are benefitting from my ideas.Notice I didnt put them up in the poor or unfortunate nieghborhoods.But your money will pay for the free give aways that I use to keep this one party family system going.So enjoy!
You just could have ask any copper to know it is a waste.
put a few cameras within city hall! where the real crime takes place.
anonymous said...
Didn't our founding fathers fight and win Independence from the inbred morons whose descendants still reside and rule that little island off the coast of France, some 230+ years ago?
5/08/2008 12:39:00 AM
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Many of the inbred morons had relatives who stayed here to do further inbreeding and become the new ruling class.
Then another large group of inbred morons came here in boats looking for a new potato patch and discovered the City of Chicago and then invented the Chicago Police Department. This Keating stuff, if true, is proof the CPD is sinking fast.
Funny thing, I don't read of anyone bitterly cussing out Phil Cline any more. Sort of like how now we don't hear anyone debating why we didn't go all the way to Baghdad in 1991.
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12:26 AM
The problem with Monaco is that there is NO DIVERSITY.
A lack of diversity, multiculturalism and political correctness is totally unacceptable.
However, I understand that upon arrival at Charles DeGaulle Airport in Paris, we can get a prompt flight to Nice, only minutes away from Monte Carlo via rail or the Grand Corniche.
anyone else noticed lately a increase of dope being found in the backseat while inspecting your vehicle? don't trust this cross eyed fed boss we got. he could give two shits about what we go thru day in and day out. all he's lookin for is jammin up coppers. he's not one of us and never will be. watch your asses boys and girls.
Anonymous said...
put a few cameras within city hall! where the real crime takes place.
5/08/2008 08:52:00 AM
daleys office and burkes also in their tax payer paid fleet of vehicles hey mayor "sunshine policy" right?
This is the perfect answer for Chicago's problem of having worthless cameras. Lets throw more good tax money at it and lets do it before the U.S. Attorney's Office finds out who the camera contractor might be.
If you google almost any major city or state and police cameras or police surveillance or you get the picture, there is not a single success story. Nothing but failure after failure. No one watching the camera. You cannot take a politician and let him buy a substandard camera from a political friend and place a different political friend in a better position to let the substandard camera work by itself and then have a different substandard official think it's going to work????? Not possible. Cameras don't kill. Politicians kill.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Maybe someone from 001 or 018 could weigh in here? I figure with the amount of retail establishment there they must handle a large amount of shoplifters.
They have to get video from the stores. Is that video used in court proceedings?
5/08/2008 01:03:00 AM
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As far as shoplifters go, the ASA's will not approve a felony upgrade on a shoplifter if the retail establishment has cameras but there is no surveillance tape/dvd inventoried. It can make it difficult to upgrade if a smaller store has an hourly employee working who has no idea how to download the footage for you. If you admit to the ASA's that there are working cameras then you're stuck getting hold papers and attempting to contact a store manager at another time and a retail theft turns into nothing but a headache. Sorry for the rant but to answer your original question, yes they do use the store cameras to prosecute.
You can buy alot of AR15s with that camera money.How bout some new radio batteries too?
Want to bet the cameras work! They work just like CAPS does! If the city gets money from somewhere else, the program is going to work! I'd like to see the actual (real, not the citys made up shit) numbers on how much they cost the city, how many crimes were solved, and arrests made due to the cameras.
The richest man in Monaco got killed by his nurse who started a fire so he could put it out and be a hero. He forgot he was scared of fire. Did the cameras catch it?
Anonymous said...
Want to bet the cameras work! They work just like CAPS does! If the city gets money from somewhere else, the program is going to work!
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!!!
Cameras can never replace Police. But what do I know I am only a Police Officer.
Well said! BUSH SR. was alot smarter than people gave him credit for.
1:55am
Good rant! Ya sound like someone who would've been a good leader/
boss on this job, but didnt have the juice to go anywhere....
this fine a.m. one m/b killed in 012 in front of pod
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