Big Fire Department Scandal
This one is bubbling to the surface:
- A very loud rumor has it that the First Deputy Fire Commissioner Lester Noy was removed from office today (Monday March 10,2009) by the US Dept. of Justice. On ongoing investigation into copies of Fire dept. promotional exams being given out to members of the black church and shared with the City's chosen folks for the last couple of years. How do you think these honor student's landed high on the list, surely not for their brains.
This will only get better once the media catches on.
Not only does this call into question CFD promotional practices over the past few years, it raises the specter of scandal on all city promotional exams. We've commented here many times, along with other people, how certain exempts that are "subject matter experts" developing the testing criteria seem to have rather large statistical anomalies where members of their staff score in the very top percentiles. It's uncanny.
Labels: fire fighters, scandals
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
154 Comments:
FINALLY.
monday was the 9th.
Is that like when Capt. JRD was the at home proctor for her best friend Sgt. now Lt. PC on the Lt's test. I'm sure that was legit. Just because PC is a box of rocks doesn't mean she didn't study hard.YEA RIGHT!
Well well well
Chicago known as "The City That Works" has become "The City Thats Broken". Thanks to a very corrupt Mayor and his band of theives who took about 80% of the loot and gave the citizens the other 20%. At least old man Daley only took 20% and gave the other 80% back to the citizens. The money he has looted makes Madoff look like he took chump change.......
Speaking of Change 2011 Mayoral is not far away....lets get ready to rumble!
Maybe this why CPD is not promoting. We know the City has plenty of money for cameras, GPS, ad companies, not mention the Skyway, the Meters, and Midway.
HOLY MACK'RAL
We all know that "special people" are coached or given suggestions on what to study by "high ranking" members of the command staff. It's a no brainer. If you're close with a big boss your going to get help with the substance of the test so they won't have to merit you and expose your clout if they don't have to.
Does anyone really believe that the brass over the years just keep their lips zipped when it comes to giving out test questions to the chosen? Come on now. It's a well known fact. "Hey, there's something important I think you should read in the top drawer of my desk while I leave the room." Wink Wink.
I know one thing
When I was a student inthe Chicago Public Schools during the 1960's and 1970's I used to score 3 grades above myself on the standardized achievement tests
I was always in the 8th and ninth stanine and in the 90th percentile or higher
The minute I got on the Police Dept except for qualifying "well Qualified" on the 1975 exam I got stupid and couldnt get out of my own way.
Not one promotion in 29 years
Hopefully some heads will roll and I will be vindicated.
Maybe even compensated
"...rather large statistical anomalies where members of their staff score in the very top percentiles." - SCC
You best believe it, SCC.
I will enter herein an extract from the certified letter received by the Office of Mayor Richard M. Daley on April 19, 1990. The letterhead reads "9171 COMMITTEE, AN AD HOC COMMITTEE REPRESENTING MORE THAN 600 WHITE, BLACK, HISPANIC AND ASIAN AMERICAN SERGEANTS. OUR MISSION: A FAIR PROMOTIONAL PROCESS WITHIN THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT":
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(D) THE ADMINISTRATIVE CLUSTER. An analysis of a clearly-defined statistical aggregate of all administrative sergeants actually serving in "administration" units on April 16, 1987 provides overwhelming proof of fraud. Among these 36 sergeants, random chance would place 10 to 11 in the top 250. A bright group, the X-list* places 20 in the top 250. The City claims an incredible thirty-four (34 of 36) successes. Even with their demonstrated skills considered, cold mathematical precision sets the likelihood of such success at less than one chance in 13.8 TRILLION! Based on $4 ticket purchases, you would have a better shot at winning the Lotto jackpot twice!
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(*) The X-list is a statistically-sound rank order list which fairly measures the relative excellence of all candidates in the two objective components of the exam.
REPEAT: Less than one chance in 13,800,000,000,000 that the so-called "ORAL BOARD" (weighted at 80% after the fact) was NOT rigged.
Show some real proof before we link ourselves to CFD. I like many others studied and scored well enough to have made it if they promote as many as in previous exams. Those who yell and scream the loudest should have used that energy to study instead of saving it to complain. Most had no inside help and many of us scored well enough anyway. Don't penalize us.
Did you ever think for a second that the reason the people who attend the study groups score higher is because they are actually putting forth an effort? WOW THAT"S A NOVEL CONCLUSION EH?
These "study groups" you speak of are open to any member of the department who wants to shell out THEIR OWN HARD EARNED CASH! That is why people bitch. Less than 1% is probably hand fed the test. We can't even get guys to buy uniforms with their UNIFORM CHECK!. I am tired of hearing all the bitching by SCC and the rest of the hacks with tight pockets. Take a study session and MAN UP!
Sure people who are related to people who have scored well do good. That is how it works. If you did well you can pass on what you did. Usually good habits run in the family. ITS CALLED GENES!
Myself and at 8 of my co-workers attended one of the outside "study sessions" which tagged us for about 2k. Guess what............ all of us scored under 300. 6 out of the 8 in the top 120. SO PLEASE! NONE OF US HAD THE COPY! If you all study as much as you bitch you would have scored high. SHIT PROBABLY 90% OF THE POSTER HERE WOULD BE IN THE TOP SPOTS! Open you tight pockets, a book and STFU already.
THE TEST ISN"T THE PROBLEM IT IS THE MERIT SPOTS THAT TAKE AWAY THE SPOTS OF THOSE THAT HAVE EARNED IT BY HARD WORK!
It's Leslie Noy.
http://egov.cityofchicago.org/webportal/COCWebPortal/COC_EDITORIAL/AdministrativeServices.pdf
Leslie is a male name in this case.
SCC's earlier post regarding the amazing ability of some "staff" of high ranking exempts to get near perfect scores on promotional exams is very worthy of federal scrutiny.
You cheat on an exam and it is no different that stealing a promotion from someone more deserving. You steal a promotion and you are stealing money from someone.
I know that's considered OK by politicians, but by my non clouted ass it's a crime.
Therefore those of you who cheated please have the decency to resign. I'm not holding my breath.
What else is new. Like you said this shit has been going on forever.
yeah, look into that f/2 who scored #2 on det. exam and #1 on sgt. exam.
out of thousands of applicants.
STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE !
***off topic but important******
scc, i dont know if you covered this yet but was on the fop website and they have this posted. hopefully there are some of us out there that can help him out and write some nice words for him and justify a sentence of probation. the following is directly from fop website:
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Bill Cozzi is scheduled for sentencing on April 30, 2009. Here is your chance to show your support for Bill. Please take the time to write a character letter on Bill's behalf.
While there is not any right or wrong way to write a letter your letter should comment on the positive aspects of Bill's character as a person. You should include your identity, how you know Bill, and how long you have known him. If you know of acts of Bill helping others or providing extraordinary service to the community please include them in your letter. You should also consider including how this case has affected Bill's life.
This letter should not include your opinion of Bill's innocence or how unfairly you believe he was treated by the Department of government.
Your letter should be addressed to:
Honorable Blanche Manning
United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois
219 S. Dearborn
Chicago, IL 60604
*** Do Not mail your letter directly to Judge Manning ***
Send your letter to the FOP Unit 541 via Department mail or mail to the FOP at 1412 W. Washington Blvd., Chicago, IL. 60607.
All letters will be forwarded to Bill's attorney who will present them to Judge Manning
Word is.... not giving it away, he was selling them copies for $10,000 each. Nice side job huh?
Finally justice comes to shitcago,crime ridden by the daley crime family! I worked in a district years ago where all the members of a tact team were made sgt,the magic "8" same team! They all studied together! All made sgt together all very smart "not"! Who gave the envelopes to who?
You mean like Jimmy Mauer?
The CPD doesn't need to promote. They just need cameras with blue and gold checkerboard that supervise the other cameras.
To those that keep up the "stop whining and study more" mantra:
I studied my ass off on the last detective and sergeant exam. I scored top 30 on both. Having said that, I am not naive enough to believe that all of my detective and sergeant classmates did not receive some secret study group help. Study your ass off...but fight for fairness every chance you can. It may have been legit for me, but I want it to be legit for EVERYONE. For Mr. Top 300 who posted at 01:18...you probably would have been promoted already if not for those with a pre-test glance at the materials.
why worry about the test being rigged, just look at people that have been over promated several times in just a few years. Test, they don't need a test, it's a joke the whole system.
Anonymous said...
You mean like Jimmy Mauer?
3/10/2009 05:40:00 AM
Kennedy
Biggane
Georgas
and many others??????
THE TEST ISN"T THE PROBLEM IT IS THE MERIT SPOTS THAT TAKE AWAY THE SPOTS OF THOSE THAT HAVE EARNED IT BY HARD WORK!
3/10/2009 01:18:00 AM
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Not talking about Bernstien or Roberts. There ARE other invite only study groups.
SCC you are so wrong! The fire boss was just going to offer it to the church for "urban translation".
Show some real proof before we link ourselves to CFD. I like many others studied and scored well enough to have made it if they promote as many as in previous exams. Those who yell and scream the loudest should have used that energy to study instead of saving it to complain. Most had no inside help and many of us scored well enough anyway. Don't penalize us.
3/10/2009 01:13:00 AM
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You may have studied and got promoted legitimately, but to say that this doesn't happen in our dept is crazy.
This is great. Now to call a grand jury to investigate, that would even be better. Mauer, Cline and others. It would be hilarious.
I enjoy the few on here with the "be like me,study harder,I made it on my own,blah,blah,blah" attitudes.
Good for you! Now go back on IOD, for that shoulder injury you got while patting yourself on the back, stroke!
Don't let those who vent here, diminish your accomplishments.
However,you should be just as upset that the system is broken, and exposed to outside influences.Because until the testing and promotional process is uncorrupted,you will have a cloud over your head whether you made it fair-and-square or had HELP!
We all have anecdotal stories of people who can't tie their shoes without help,and had to take retests every single week throughout their academy training, just barely graduating. But now, praise the lord they're healed. Now they are top performers, who garner promotion after promotion and are so smart. Just ask them, they'll tell you!
Remember the gang team in 011?
Almost entire team scored top 15 on Det test. Most of the same group scored extremely well on Sgt test. Rumor is they are all smart and studied together..........
U mean like the study group from TRU where all those attended it are in the 150?
This city is a Joke. Hey head FBI man: stop sucking Jody and Richie off and do your fucking job: investigate!
I'd like to hear how this info got out... finally is right!
So the exams are given away to the connected ahead of time and Ike CaROTHERS Brother still had to be merit promoted twice. He is to stupid to remember the correct answers.
Hi Maureen.....
We know you were the best and we will miss you now that you got that big spot at HQ recently.
You and Mauer and Cline should all be proud you were the smartest that day.
PS.......When is the next xmas party and which exempts are invited?
Is that like when Capt. JRD was the at home proctor for her best friend Sgt. now Lt. PC on the Lt's test. I'm sure that was legit. Just because PC is a box of rocks doesn't mean she didn't study hard.YEA RIGHT!
3/10/2009 12:14:00 AM
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I'll second that. No appearance of impropriety there, hmmm?
just a slight correction, Noy is not the 1st Deputy, that would be the resident hero Bob Hoff, but as for the rest, thank God some of us can retire and get the heck out of here before the place implodes
In Chicago? NO WAY!!!
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Great job Arne Duncan. Can't wait to see how the rest of the country turns out with you in charge.
Even with their demonstrated skills considered, cold mathematical precision sets the likelihood of such success at less than one chance in 13.8 TRILLION! Based on $4 ticket purchases, you would have a better shot at winning the Lotto jackpot twice!
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Every portion of the promotional process is based on who you know in the City of Chicago. Although most bosses claim how hard they studied, their decision making contradicts such. And I say to everyone reading this Blog. This City is and always has been the place to advance your career if your hooked up(politically connected! And it is with great pleasure that I remind bosses of their meritorious promotion status! Which for some reason really frost their ass.
Patrolman for life
1:13 and 1:18 AM:
Well, well. If it isn't the reincarnation of Gregor Mendel himself. Listen up, you sanctimonious prick. Before you board your flight to Stockholm to pick up your Nobel Prize in genetics, perhaps YOU should SHUT THE FUCK UP!
I place your arrogant ilk in the "STUDY HARDER" category of the City's apologists.
I personally have interviewed scores of "successful" promotees who initially used that "study group" bullshit. Then, when I got them alone with a promise of confidentiality, they ultimately 'fessed up to having been given "trick" answers to EXAMSCAM.
The "confessions" began with my beloved friend from our homicide days and the best man at my wedding, the late John Durkin. John confided that a boss provided him with the trick answers and, in turn, he passed them on to several others, including another mutual friend whom I nicknamed "#1 white boy" for obvious reasons, based on his "success" in the rigged process (since retired Cmdr. W.M. did not like my new ball-busting nickname for him).
Ultimately, a score of other newly-minted lieutenants confirmed what John had told me. John knew that I would never be a party to EXAMSCAM saying that I "never took a (legit) exam that (I) couldn't ace". I humbly submit that John was correct--I've always "tested well". (The City "flunked" me on EXAMSCAM) I only use John's name now because John Durkin is with God now. God bless you, my brother. Even to this day, there is a current very high-ranking and widely respected exempt who knew the answers beforehand. The irony is that all three of these guys would have made lieutenant on the legit.
So you take your "study harder" and "study group" bullshit and I'll give you 13,800,000,000,000 to one odds that you KNOW where you can shove it.
And don't even get me started on the City's response to "affirmative action". I have incontrovertible evidence that some of our most gifted black and Hispanic candidates were unceremoniously "flunked" by the City. I termed it "THE GATES PARADOX" after a black sergeant who attained PERFECT scores in the objective (legit) components of the "process" before the City "flunked" him based on the rigged "oral board".
After you "notify the watch commander", have a nice flight to Stockholm, Dr. Douchebag!
Myself and at 8 of my co-workers attended one of the outside "study sessions" which tagged us for about 2k. Guess what............ all of us scored under 300. 6 out of the 8 in the top 120. SO PLEASE! NONE OF US HAD THE COPY!
BUUUULLLLSSSSHIIITTTTT!!!!!!
If the top CR List is out there so should the promo List. Names, Units of assignments, years on the job.
This is one of the reasons many highly qualified officers have just given up on the process.
There always has been a question as to the honesty of the city, this is just more proof.
yeah, look into that f/2 who scored #2 on det. exam and #1 on sgt. exam.
out of thousands of applicants.
STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE !
3/10/2009 02:19:00 AM
It seems as if she was able to score very, very high on one exam, she would be able to score very, very high on a very, very similar exam.
In other words, its statistically PROBABLE.
The only thing statistically IMPOSSIBLE are your chances on the next exam.
29 years and a day said...
I know one thing
When I was a student inthe Chicago Public Schools during the 1960's and 1970's I used to score 3 grades above myself on the standardized achievement tests
I was always in the 8th and ninth stanine and in the 90th percentile or higher
The minute I got on the Police Dept except for qualifying "well Qualified" on the 1975 exam I got stupid and couldnt get out of my own way.
Not one promotion in 29 years
Hopefully some heads will roll and I will be vindicated.
Maybe even compensated
3/10/2009 12:46:00 AM
But once you were on the job, you were competing against graduates of non-public schools. That's the explanation!
Thats not making the news NO WAY!!
Having had some experience in these kind of tests, the claims of 1 in a billion chances of something happening is ludicrous.
I am not saying there is not some kind of "cheating" going on, however, some people are just very good at studying for and taking these kind of tests.
Its also not real surprising that some of the people close to people helping make up the tests might have a better idea what is on the test than the average guy.
I am one who is very suspicious that this kind of test is all that great of a way to select police officers for promotion. It might be better to use it to screen out the real dumb ones, and those too lazy to study, and than find some none clout filled way to select from those who make the grade.
It seems to me there is much more to being a detective or a police sergeant than being able to do well on standardized tests. Those qualities would seem to be difficult to quantify, and likely to be unidentifiable on any kind of written exam.
1:18 AM
Grab your ankles and "man up" to this, you phony piece of shit.
Hey, 1:18 a.m., I hope you've had time to clear your head since you wrote.
You said:
Did you ever think for a second that the reason the people who attend the study groups score higher is because they are actually putting forth an effort? WOW THAT"S A NOVEL CONCLUSION EH?"
These "study groups" you speak of are open to any member of the department who wants to shell out THEIR OWN HARD EARNED CASH! That is why people bitch. Less than 1% is probably hand fed the test. We can't even get guys to buy uniforms with their UNIFORM CHECK!. I am tired of hearing all the bitching by SCC and the rest of the hacks with tight pockets. Take a study session and MAN UP!'
I say:
You clearly do not know what study groups we're talking about here. We're not talking about Bernstein or any of the others like that.
We're talking about the "super secret" study groups that are made for supervisors' kids and other hand-picked friends/acquaintances/ bed and blowjob buddies. Where they study for most or all of the shift while drawing full pay. Pr were they're given the test content prior to the test. We're talking about the people who wind up scoring near the top of the list who just HAPPEN to have been working in administrative positions for supervisors.
That is not to say that EVERYONE who scores near the top of the list had a hand up. I've had friends who studied their asses off and made it solely through hard work. I have done the same.
You said:
Sure people who are related to people who have scored well do good. That is how it works. If you did well you can pass on what you did. Usually good habits run in the family. ITS CALLED GENES!
I say:
You need to give warning next time you're going to write or say something like this. I just lost my cup of coffee laughing and wondering if you're for real. Genes? Good habits? Are you kidding me?
In general, perhaps. (Although that's open for discussion, because I'm one of a family of 10 kids. My parents are brilliant. Several of my siblings are, too. I'm intelligent. But the rest of my siblings are average to learning disabled.)
But a lot of the supervisors, and their offspring, are dumber than a box of rocks and couldn't find their asses with 2 hands, a map, and GPS.
You said:
Myself and at 8 of my co-workers attended one of the outside "study sessions" which tagged us for about 2k. Guess what............ all of us scored under 300. 6 out of the 8 in the top 120. SO PLEASE! NONE OF US HAD THE COPY! If you all study as much as you bitch you would have scored high. SHIT PROBABLY 90% OF THE POSTER HERE WOULD BE IN THE TOP SPOTS! Open you tight pockets, a book and STFU already.
I say:
I studied, too. On my own. And I made it. Without clout. Without help. And without the price tag of an expensive study group. So I know it can be done.
You say:
THE TEST ISN"T THE PROBLEM IT IS THE MERIT SPOTS THAT TAKE AWAY THE SPOTS OF THOSE THAT HAVE EARNED IT BY HARD WORK!
I say:
And here we agree.
Don't you see? Merit is for those who are too stupid to pass the test and get a good score, as we did, on their own.
Those who choose merit picks get 2 bites of the apple (at minimum) on any exam. Bite #1: They get to pick who is a meritorious promotion. Bite #2: They get to determine who sees the test and/or its answers and/or the exact test content material before the exam is given so that it can be studied, thereby putting "their" people in the upper numbers and, thereby, closer to promotion.
Look at the recent captain's list. One example: Lupe Pena has been a merit pick for each and every one of his promotions. That's 4 bites of the apple for him, 4 bites of the apple (at least) for whoever his clout is.
So the issue isn't all of us here bitching about not being able to pass. The issue is that promotion opportunity is tainted by a large number of people being promoted without having done the work to attain it. It's all clout.
Signed,
A sgt who knows, understands, and backs up his officers on everything (and my officers know who I am)
if you guys that scored well on your own and are telling the rest of to stfu and stop bitching and just study harder SIGN YOUR FUCKING NAMES SO WE CAN SEE WHAT KIND OF GREAT SUPERVISER YOU ARE THAT WAY WE CAN SALUTE YOUR FUCKING ASS-
Between the merit selection process and secret study groups, I'd say that it's really closer to a 50% merit process. Don't get me wrong, I realize that there is still an opportunity to score high but I would like to see everyone on an level playing field. I wonder what the boss' excuse would be for not allowing the officer to attend a study group which is being held in a department facility. A co-worker told me he went to a secret study group and landed up around 350 on the Sgt's list. There is nothing more embarrassing then being spoon fed the answers and not being capable of finishing in the top 100. Also, wasn't there an entire tact team that made detective and all the officers placed in the top 50 on the list? I don't care how hard they studied, people just don't retain information the same way unless you had extra help. But I guess it's entirely possible that was the smartest tact team in the history of the CPD.
This just begs to bring up the Lts. exam from years ago, when clouted sgts were given a "code" to mention during oral board interviews.
Sgts were asked in the oral interview, what notifications were required in the event a certain incident occurred. This info was in a General Order that was on the study list prior to the oral boards. The G.O. specified that the required notifications were to:
1) the Zone Dispatcher;
2) the Desk Sergeant; and
3) Operations Command.
No problem! Pretty cut and dried. And having been told previously to study this order, anyone who studied the order knew the correct, answer. Right ? WRONG !
At the end of each oral response, the oral board, (several exempts you are speaking to), asked if you had anything to add. Most people who had given the "correct" answer, would decline to add anything. After all, you wanted these guys to know that you KNEW the answer, period. You didn't want to go stuttering and blubbering and looking unsure of your answer. And theres the rub !
The "clouted ones" all knew that on that question, when asked if they wanted to add anything, they were supposed to say, "Yes. AS A COURTESY, I WOULD NOTIFY THE WATCH COMMANDER".
In the order, it specified that the desk sergeant was RESPONSIBLE for notifying the watch commander. The notification that was REALLY being given to the members of the oral board, however, was I am connected, I will be given a very high score by you and I will shortly be promoted to Lieutenant, and if you don't want to piss off your boss who provided me with the "courtesy to the WC" code, you better do what you are told. To add insult to injury, after they completed the Oral Boards, the City decided that the orals would count for 80% of the sgts total test score ! ! !
As I recall, there was a big to-do about the allegations but, of course, there was no proof or evidence of anything and so the clouted went merrily on their way to Lieutenants' Classes, while everyone else just steamed.
Thats how they did it before they invented "Merit" promotions.
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Anonymous 29 years and a day said...
I know one thing
When I was a student inthe Chicago Public Schools during the 1960's and 1970's I used to score 3 grades above myself on the standardized achievement tests
I was always in the 8th and ninth stanine and in the 90th percentile or higher
The minute I got on the Police Dept except for qualifying "well Qualified" on the 1975 exam I got stupid and couldnt get out of my own way.
Not one promotion in 29 years
Hopefully some heads will roll and I will be vindicated.
Maybe even compensated
3/10/2009 12:46:00 AM
Hey troller that is not how they scored the tests in 1975 they did not start scoring the test like that ie well qualified, qualified ect. until after 1995. Stay off the blog faker.
Are they finally gonna get Kobel for that private class on company property?
well well well! clines secretary sgt scored on the top of lt's exam. isn;t that interesting. all these exams should be thrown out and our wonderful fop should file a lawsuit but it will never happen in shitcago.
yeah, look into that f/2 who scored #2 on det. exam and #1 on sgt. exam.
out of thousands of applicants.
STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE
I know of this person, and personally know she studied long hours for both test and also went to a study group. I know she put more hours in studying for those test then ten of you bitc*ing on this blog. Maybe if you put half the effort she did instead of complaining on the blog, you would have gotten more right on the test other then spelling your name correctly.
Approximately 500 sergeants and 150 lieutenants were promoted from the 94 lists. These were rank order and even shortshanks publicly supported the process. Many of us saw an opportunity, studied for 12 months and spent money and hours of personal time in the process to capitalized on the opportunity. However, the end result severely changed the make up of the supervisory ranks (predominantly white). This brought about the merit selection process. If you are fortunate to view the 1998 sergeant's merit list, yes there are copies out there, you'll see the beginning of what has become the upper management of the CPD.
As the years have past, many of us 94 listers have since made Lt and have found ourselves stuck (with pride) in patrol as the future leadership of the Dept is groomed around us with multiple merit appointments: sgt, lt, capt, exempt. I'm sure you get the picture. There should be no question as to why we're in the organizational chaos we are in. It started long before J-Fed came to town and will last long after he fades away with a million in the bank.
As someone who has earned my stripes and bars and have helped others accomplish the same, I offer the following advice: study hard, the process should start about 12 or more months prior to the exam, get in a good organized group as well as a small group of trusted friends who will equally share info and ideas, consult people in the rank who you feel are competent (most will be happy to help) and give it your best shot. Yes you are fighting 30% off the top. Yes there probably are those who get answers or questions. But don't sell yourselves short, believe you can succeed.
Stay safe, watch out for each other personally and professionally. The sharks are in the water both on and off the Department and are waiting to feast on your flesh. Don't let your displeasure with the mayor and the Depts leadership strip away your comraderie! We are the Chicago Police Department. We need to protect ourselves, our families, and the good people in the city (the majority still appreciates us).Chalkie will help take out the trash. He's not intimidated one bit by the cameras and believes in change.
May God bless each and every one of you and your families. Don't let those on the wall die in vain.
Anonymous said...
Show some real proof before we link ourselves to CFD. I like many others studied and scored well enough to have made it if they promote as many as in previous exams. Those who yell and scream the loudest should have used that energy to study instead of saving it to complain. Most had no inside help and many of us scored well enough anyway. Don't penalize us.
3/10/2009 01:13:00 AM
You slipped through the cracks consider yourself lucky kid! More hair gel for me!
Quite sure some have been given the tests by our fine brass too. And i mean both white and black!! How else can we explain the huge number of incompetent clout heavy fuck up bosses?
Oh im sure it happened. This city and its depts all suck. I am f/01 who did very well on a previous sgt test did i get promoted hell no city took that list down word is the next 70 people on the list were majority black males and females came from a very reputable source. Its all BULLSHIT!!!!
It is going to get harder and harder for us un-clouted nobodys to get promoted. Bosses like JM are directly involved in developing the test, and then hold an invite only closed door study group at headquarters.."I can only assume to become more familiar with the answers." The list is stacked with clout babies, like Brian O from 004th dist, and then the bosses have their 30% to play with. It makes busting your ass studying kind of futile.
Most of the CPD Irish bosses shaking in their boots
two key words... "black churches"... just like Burris, the black politicians will come forward and say that anyone trying to start a witch hunt on the black community will pay with their political life... Anyone trying to do the right thing will be viewed as a racist, and will be spanked by the bullshit reverends... You cannot hold the black community accountable for anything these days... if you even try, YOU ARE A RACIST! mark my words, nothing will be done! This will get swept under and aside from a temporary demotion or two, the black community will emerge unscathed as usual. The fault will be shifted from what really happened, to "why arent there more black bosses???" And that will become the central issue. You are dreaming if you think a black boss, or anyone who benefited from this cheating will be held accountable.
Crybabies! I have no clout made Sgt off my test score will make lieutenant off my test score and I am a minority. Just quit one of your side jobs and study for a test!!!!!
"Less than 1% is probably hand fed the test." - 1:18 AM
Ah, so you concede that some individuals were "hand fed the test."
Tell us. Do you really think that any sane person, including your "anonymous" self, would admit on this blog (or anywhere else) to cheating?
Ergo, you merely speculate on the percentage of cheaters as "less than 1%".
I say MOST (if not all) of the "successful" candidates cheated and that they will predictably "DENY, DENY, DENY!"
Ironically, about a quarter of the "successful" candidates would still have been promoted if the "process" was actually legit.
Sorry to interrupt you from your "genetics study group", but without transparency and accountability by the City, prove me wrong, Slick.
After you come up for oxygen from Daley's sphincter, what say you, "Transparency" Jody?
After all, you promised "transparency" to the troops at your dog and pony shows.
Retirement is stressless ecstasy. WHAT A CLUSTERFUCK! My heart goes out to you bright, once hard-working coppers that have no recourse but to take it up the ass from these insufferably corrupt bastards. UNITE and make your voices heard.
FINALLY! It took me 17 years to get promoted to a lowly detective. In that time I placed in the top 10% on the first phase of every promotional exam I took. However, when it came to the second phase of these tests (Where the city can play their games) I turned into a fucking amoeba ensuring that my placement in the top 10% was effectively erased, pushing me into the stratosphere on the list.
I have kept all of the results and hopefully there will be a class action suit coming soon.
Before all you "I studied hard and got promoted" strokes start your BS just look at the morons who run this department. Their are lieutenants on this job who nothing whatsoever about police work or how to manage people. And I know I am not the only one on this job who has scored well on tests only to put thrown out of the running after the city finished screwing with the results.
There exists plenty of guys and gals on this department that paid for the promotional exams.Fortunately for them they were meritoriously promoted for their efforts and contributions.
) THE ADMINISTRATIVE CLUSTER. An analysis of a clearly-defined statistical aggregate of all administrative sergeants actually serving in "administration" units on April 16, 1987 provides overwhelming proof of fraud
you left out a word. Administrative Cluster F***
A very very small percentile make it by studying hard. I took 2 sergeants test ranking 407 (didn't make it) and now 600 and something. Studied my ass off and spent money on study groups as well as free ones and have come finally to the conclusion that it's not worth the aggravation anymore. They take who they want. However it's done that is the bottom line. I will never again use that amount of time to study anything for this departments exams. They can just keep promoting the ballonheads, it won't effect me anymore.
As a person who took the time and effort to study and happens to test well it is quite obvious when you go to the academy with the dimwits who scored well but can't tell you their name or address unless they look at the tag in their clothes. Mauer's study group is presently in very high ranking positions which explains many of the problems that continue on even though he is gone.
TO 1:13 & 1:18
This is about COPY OF THE TEST AND/OR ORAL QUESTIONS being distributed to members of selected "minority churches".
NOT ABOUT A STUDY GROUP, ASSHOLE!
This is just like CPD having issues regarding the re-taking of orals based on THE SAME QUESTIONS.
It's easy to score well when the material is handed to you.
IT ALL BULLSHIT TEST ON, NOY AT A MEETING TODAY IN UNIFORM AT THE FIRE ACADEMY
Over ten years ago a lt was trying to get into my pants and was a subject matter expert. He told me what was on the test.
WAY TO GO FEDS; you have been investigating the City for what now, a few Decades, and it's WORSE now than when you began, with goofs like Brennan & Co; giving straight Cops and City Employees b.s. Shakman Settlements when the City Pols and their family members get the most in settlements? This Corruption stuff just goes on and on, and you get a couple or so every year? BIG Deal. You couldn't catch mosquito bites in a forest. At the rate you are going, you'll bring down corruption here 10% a year, as it goes up 75% a year, and you think you are fooling us taxpayers. You too are a joke, just like the City Hall, Crook County, State of Il crook Politicians, fixers, and cohorts. Why don't you just admit it, you are blowing investigations and doing a half-assed and half-hearted job of stopping Corruption here. I used to have a lot of respect for you, but now I have ZERO, just like for the IRS and the rest of the Governmant Lackeys.
To 01:18am
Its not the outside study groups that people are talking about. I also went to one and scored well, around 230. Its the special study groups, invite only, that you are not allowed in. The people in these groups seem to always do very well... You figure it out..
yeah it is HUGE! As a matter of fact, as of 1600 today not a simgle word of it in either rag... If this was the PD and it was white coppers this would be fucking everywhere! The BS revs have everyone so fucking scared of being called a racist !!! WHERES THE COVERAGE??? THE PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW!!!
thank god the fire department finally took some heat off of us :) even if just for a day or two
This is the same Les Noy that got stabbed on Taylor ST for putting the moves on another mans girlfriend back in the 90's. This is also the same Les Noy that had to defer on being promoted to Battalion Chief because he was using drugs at the time. Its funny how these scumbags advance in our depts.
I have a "media source" who looked into this and so far the fireman is still working and the US Atty's office has denied any investigation was ongoing, but according to my source they probably would not say if they had something going, but at this time this may look just like a rumor.
I called a buddy of mine who recently retired from the CFD. He did some checking and found out that Noy was at a staff meeting this morning. We need more info.
3/10/2009 12:46:00 AM
Hey troller that is not how they scored the tests in 1975 they did not start scoring the test like that ie well qualified, qualified ect. until after 1995. Stay off the blog faker.
3/10/2009 11:26:00 AM
You're dead wrong on that one. I also took the exam in 1975 (March or April, I believe). We were ranked well-qualified, qualified, conditionally-qualified, and not qualified. I was a "qualified" white male, and was hired 18 July 77 (class 77-3_). So he's no faker.
Quite frankly I think the city screws with the first part of the test as well. When the only identifier on your paper is your seat number, in pencil, you can become anyone.
It is true and confirmed.
Let's clean this fuckin' house once and for all.
I love this topic....
Wanna hear something ironic?
I know of plenty of Det.s, Sgt.'s and Lt.'s who were made by the merit system.
EVERYONE of them had made a statement to the like :
" Well, I deserved it "
Of all the merit I know, ONE deseved it, on my opinion.
Hell, I know a guy who was shot, and his partber killed,and he is still a P.O.
Okay, let's hear from the merit pukes -
What's that you say, you deserved it? Ha.
Ya, me too.
Anonymous said...
Word is.... not giving it away, he was selling them copies for $10,000 each. Nice side job huh?
3/10/2009 03:14:00 AM
Years ago I was told by an aldershit that
10K would get me promoted.
It's not the money; my comp time alone would be worth that much more; it was selling my soul to this aldershit. I would be beholden and might be called to do things that might be unethical or moral.
Hey North....
At first, I thought you were a little bitter about this topic.
Now I know you are.
However, you are dead on.
I know guys who were given the questions.
What pisses me off, is that they didn't share with me.
As far as merit?
It's all bullshit.
But, don't forget the very large application with all the news clippings you submitted to become merit Lt.
Anyway, enjoy the good life.
Be glad you out of this shithole
JOHNNY NORTHSIDE
I do think the powers that be regret f###ing you over in the lts. exam when they did not make you a lt. Then again, we would not have your smarts and passion to expose these rats.
We made dick together. I backed you up on that big 10-1 at 68 & Halsted. Remember. Just like the hiring test, you got the top score out of thousands when they were legit. I can only think that the city will say you got a bad case of anesia for the lts. scam.
I still remember when we came on the job they gave us IQ tests and kept the scores at the academy in a big book. You set the record off the charts.
The city picked the wrong guy to f### with.
Enjoy your retirement John. I am.
Dude what do you mean "the black church"? I mean like please tell me where this "black church" is located. Is it next to the "white church" Last time I checked I had black friends who were Catholics, Muslims, Bhuddists, and Jewish. I even know a black guy in my philosophy class who is a registered Republican! If you look at the Fire Department and the Police Department I bet the number of black managers you see is still very small. Dude stop making corruption a black or democrat thing. It a failure of people. Guy I love your blog but at times its a bit sour if you know what I mean.....
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
You mean like Jimmy Mauer?
3/10/2009 05:40:00 AM
Kennedy
Biggane
Georgas
and many others??????
3/10/2009 06:31:00 AM
and for shits and giggles, include super-lips janet Peska.
Get rid of the "minority status" it's UNFAIR to all RACES!! If you have to STAND on your the COLOR of your SKIN then you obviously do not have much going on UPSTAIRS!!
...oh? you mean the famous f/2 from 019 who couldn't find find her ass with three hands, two clues and a hint?
#2 on the dicks test & #1 on the sgts? something like a bit over a year apart between promotions?? PLEASE! go somewhere else & peddle the freshly bottled stink off this bullshit!
Begrudging no one who has put time in and actually went toe to toe & eyeball to eyeball with ol' boy out west or out south, BUT...
Conventional wisdom seems to dictate that no blue jean police until five years in patrol. Non eligible for detective until 10 years in patrol. Sergeant? Please... Minimum of 15 years experience in PATROL before you can dare to sniff a white shirt. PERIOD.
That's part of what's ruining this job... green as monkey-shit supervision! If it ain't in the G/O's they have no frame of referrence whatsoever and there's a lot of stuff in the police world that can't be answered by reading & parroting a G/O word for word... That's where the years of street experience come into play... But then again, this mess has short-biggie's fingerprints all over it.
yeah, look into that f/2 who scored #2 on det. exam and #1 on sgt. exam.
out of thousands of applicants.
STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE !
3/10/2009 02:19:00 AM
Douche, she happens to be super-smart. Why don't you try "looking into" your own ass!
6:04 PM
"North?" You talkin' to me?
Look, asshole. I only participated in one lieutenants' "promotional process" during my career.
Based on the 80% "oral interview" conducted by LeRoy ("the Father of ExamScam") MARTIN and another exempt, I was FLUNKED. At that time, there was none of this submission of any "very large application with all (my) news clippings." The braintrust had yet to conceive this so-called "merit" bullshit.
Furthermore, you imply that I was "bitter" because neither John Durkin nor anyone else gave me the TRICK answers. John knew better. So did George Ruckrich. I'm no goodie-two-shoes but I would have blown the whistle upon confirmation of such treachery. If the "process" was legit, I KNOW that it would be a cakewalk for me.
I haven't been "bitter" for years. Retirement is utter bliss, thank you. I merely want to share my experience and knowledge with the young active guys that still must deal with these "in-your-face", rotten cocksuckers.
6:09 PM:
While I appreciate you kind words and your assistance at that bloodbath in Englewood, you have inadvertently placed me in an uncomfortable and embarrassing position. Granted, I "test well". Let's leave it at that.
You have compelled me to cite a fact of which I am NOT proud. While I never really cracked a book at Marquette, I graduated with a "C" GPA. Like ex-roommate Bob "Kegger Tonight!" Cooley, I would have received an "A+" in Partying 101. BrewTown was very, very good to me.
Let's move on...
when did the city first steal the promotion process with "merit" sgt's???
Anonymous said...
yeah, look into that f/2 who scored #2 on det. exam and #1 on sgt. exam.
out of thousands of applicants.
STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE
I know of this person, and personally know she studied long hours for both test and also went to a study group. I know she put more hours in studying for those test then ten of you bitc*ing on this blog. Maybe if you put half the effort she did instead of complaining on the blog, you would have gotten more right on the test other then spelling your name correctly.
3/10/2009 11:51:00 AM
If you know this person then you know that the study group that she attended was given by Capt. JRD who was a subject matter expert for the test. That goes for the CAPS LT at Area 4 who also attended the study group and a few others that scored in the top 30. Maybe the Justice Dept. should talk to Captain Plastic JRD.
So stop defending these people when they had the answers and materials for the test, THAT IS A FACT.
Sadly the fire dept has appendix G in our labor contract "Copies of written examintions will be made available to the Community Advisory Board".
There was no such thing as a merit package when northside and I took that goofy exam. He was relentless. He even staked out a sgt. house in the getto to shame him into kicking in the $100.
"Sure people who are related to people who have scored well do good. That is how it works. If you did well you can pass on what you did. Usually good habits run in the family. ITS CALLED GENES!"
Hey 3/10/2009 01:18:00 AM GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!!!. Your a pompus ass. It's in the genes alright. How about the study groups given by certain bosses for certain bosses clouted connections. No one else need apply if you even find out about them.
The tests have always been rigged. Even back when they had oral boards, certain candidates didn't have to study every order. They got a mysterious phone call telling them a G.O. number.
Just keep studying and maybe that will change your genes.... But than again once a goof always a goof..
Signed, Bad spellin, ASSHAT...
Almost 14 TRILLION TO 1?
Maybe O.J. didn't kill Ron and Nicole.
Still not on the LOCAL NEWS!
Thank god for internet it will soon be everywhere and local news will be scooped because they are afraid!!!!
I'm glad international news, national and others monitor your sight!
SHOW THE WORLD THE CHICAGO LEADERSHIP USELESSNESS!!!
promote the most incompetent Police and Fire dept Leadership in the NATION BECAUSE YOU KNOW SOMEONE!!!
China had 1 million police officers for Olympics!
Chicago can do it with 9000!!!!
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No Security checks!
minimum wage!
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I FEEL STIMULATED!!!!
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Our motto should be "You won't die, we have more advanced life support ambulances than anyone in the country!"
THANKS!
I can live after receiving a Chicago battelfield injury!!!!!~
I took four promotional exams in my career. Of the four, I studied hard for only one. That was the '93 sgts exam that I was eventually promoted from. The '89 & 93 dics test I didn't study for and my results showed it. I took the '98 lts test and didn't do well on that....I didn't study for that either.
I'm not foolish enough to say or think that there is no fraud somewhere, but in my case, the studying paid off. When reading the questions the answers came, not because I'm brilliant, but because I studied.
I was in a small study group and was the only one to make it. There was one other who would have made it if shortshanks had only kept his promise to promote 500. But the list was struck down because it was politically incorrect.
Merit promotions? I know of many people who have won tons of awards and they are still police officers. Then I see others who are merit promoted to dic, sgt, lt, and some even captain and beyond. There should be no merit promotions. But if there is, it should be one only....ONE! fat chance that will ever come to pass.
Years ago I was told by an aldershit that
10K would get me promoted.
It's not the money; my comp time alone would be worth that much more; it was selling my soul to this aldershit. I would be beholden and might be called to do things that might be unethical or moral.
3/10/2009 06:02:00 PM
what do you think all burkes,the treasures,and of course criminal daley do? all the d-3 servants they buy fund raising tickets and or an envelope etc..
Those guys from 011 were smart, smart enough not to share the answers with everyone.
There are alot of us who know that a prior superintendent's son received a copy of the det, sgt and lt exam prior to the test date. We know this because he stupidly shared it to impress his co workers who have big mouths and they have girlfriends who have big mouths and thought it was funny to brag. Daddy was pissed after hearing about it after the second time, but he still gave it to the kid a third time. Think daddy ever played this game to get where he got? The acorn doesn't fall far from the tree.
Most of the tests are fixed.Obviously if you are connected, you get help one way or another. I studied very hard twice, made sgt. in 88 and lt in 95. The 1994-95 Lt.'s test was the hardest test of my life. Never went any higher, no clout. I guess I was somewhat lucky but I did study hard.
old retired guy.
Did you ever think for a second that the reason the people who attend the study groups score higher is because they are actually putting forth an effort? WOW THAT"S A NOVEL CONCLUSION EH?
These "study groups" you speak of are open to any member of the department who wants to shell out THEIR OWN HARD EARNED CASH! That is why people bitch. Less than 1% is probably hand fed the test. We can't even get guys to buy uniforms with their UNIFORM CHECK!. I am tired of hearing all the bitching by SCC and the rest of the hacks with tight pockets. Take a study session and MAN UP!
Sure people who are related to people who have scored well do good. That is how it works. If you did well you can pass on what you did. Usually good habits run in the family. ITS CALLED GENES!
Myself and at 8 of my co-workers attended one of the outside "study sessions" which tagged us for about 2k. Guess what............ all of us scored under 300. 6 out of the 8 in the top 120. SO PLEASE! NONE OF US HAD THE COPY! If you all study as much as you bitch you would have scored high. SHIT PROBABLY 90% OF THE POSTER HERE WOULD BE IN THE TOP SPOTS! Open you tight pockets, a book and STFU already.
THE TEST ISN"T THE PROBLEM IT IS THE MERIT SPOTS THAT TAKE AWAY THE SPOTS OF THOSE THAT HAVE EARNED IT BY HARD WORK!
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IF THE TEST ISN'T THE PROBLEM WHY ARE YOU NOT GIVEN A SCORE IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE EXAM LIKE THE DO IN HIGH SCHOOL EXAMS????? ITS A DAMN SCANTRON SHEET, THAT NEEDBE ONLY FED INTO A MACHINE AND SCORED IMMEDIATELY. BUT SOMEHOW THE CITY TAKES MONTHS TO CAME TO AN ACTUAL SCORE. THAT I WOULD SAY IS A PROBLEM.
Anonymous said...
yeah, look into that f/2 who scored #2 on det. exam and #1 on sgt. exam.
out of thousands of applicants.
STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE !
3/10/2009 02:19:00 AM
Douche, she happens to be super-smart. Why don't you try "looking into" your own ass!
3/10/2009 08:33:00 PM
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If that's true, why is she such a crap sergeant??? What went so wrong???
The easiest way to remedy the problems with testing for promotions is to give the score and correct answers of the exam to the test-taker that very same day.
The answers are done on scan-trons, so scan the fucking thing right in front of everyone.
Then give the answer key to the individual as well, along with a copy of his/her answers.
Think they could do this? Hell, yes thay can do it. DO YOU THINK THEY WILL EVER DO IT? Fuck no!
If the promotional process was transparent there would be no room for doubt! Keep it a secret and there is plenty of room for cheating and conspiracies.
BTW - Isn't it interesting how well some of Capt JRD's sgts in 017 did, outside of Lt. PC? I thought that home proctoring test was suppose to be investigated by the Dept? Foolish me for having thought so.
Finally, meritorious should be back down to 20%. We have enough nit-wit white shirts being meritoriously promoted, when merit promotion should be exactly based on MERIT and not repyament to a friend.
ok! we can go on and on about all this unjustice with the examscams that have plagued our fine CPD & CFD city for so long, and I don't see it ending any time soon.
If the city really wanted to make this fair,(and they should), then let's start with every promotion to be given, to be scored by: 30%=senority, 30%=work-ethics, 30%=exam-test, 10%= based on medical & absent abuse. Further that every person who goes back to school after 30yrs, then pay to take the exam, passing it to be put on the list, should get/be promoted until the entire list has been exausted before spending another 15 or 25 million to set up a new test when you already have people that have paid and passed, and still on the list waiting to get that promotion so that they can support their family and hopefully live long enough to retire on a better pension!
This will in turn get you the most qualified work experience on the street teaching these younger officers how to become a good police officer before making Det., Sgt., and so on, which in turn will make well qualified/experienced bosses who will know how to be the "real police"!
SCC, you should have asked the fireman. The test is given to members of black churches before being administered so that they can judge how racist it is. This is an adendum to the firemen's contract. I think #7, but not sure. Call the fire union or go on the CFD blog and ask. It is part of the contract. They only have 18% meritorious, but they have the giving of the test beforehand to compensate for past racial injustice, and the wrap around thing....Although it seems illegal, it is part of their contract...Believe it.
6:45 PM
It's not because Janet Pestka is a dear friend of mine. It's not that she could use her amazing "people skills" to resolve a 10-1 before the Bears defensive unit could even start swinging batons.
It's because you are a fucking liar. I know how everyone did on both the legitimate parts and the rigged "oral board" portion of EXAMSCAM. The FAIR list is in front of me as I type.
The first wave of promotions included 101 sergeants, the overwhelming majority did NOT deserve it.
Jan was promoted from #31 on the bogus EXAMSCAM list.
The FACT is that Jan ranked in a tie for #68 on the two legit components--a perfect score in the written and only three of 63 wrong on the multiple choice.
Jan and I both worked Capt. John Collins watch in 025.
Off duty and when we met for our lunches and breaks, Jan confided in me that the oral was rigged with trick answers.
When that lunatic Joseph Curtin, LeRoy Martin and his hatchet men tried to drive me insane with incessant, pretextual harrassment for blowing the whistle to the media, who was "my rock"?
Who was the ONE person that kept me from going berserk with those filthy sonsofbitches?
None other than my lieutenant, a first class lady named Jan Pestka. She's my peeps. Fuck with her you fuck with me, "anonymous".
If you're reading this Jan, I still owe you one, girl. Call me when you're back in town. Your eMail address bounces as "disabled".
"Sure people who are related to people who have scored well do good. That is how it works. If you did well you can pass on what you did. Usually good habits run in the family. ITS CALLED GENES!"
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I totally agree. But you misspelled it. The word is "JEANS", and the answers are best kept in the right front pocket.
The girl who finished #2 on the last Lt's list was given special treatment, but only on the 1st part of the test, which any moron should of been able to pass. She had to get permission from city council to take the test the way she did, which was due to a major illness.
the 2nd part she took like everyone else, whether her capt friend helped her, i don't know, but i never see people from 15 complaining on this blog about her like they do about the one who was in 11 and now a/4 caps lt.
Oh im sure it happened. This city and its depts all suck. I am f/01 who did very well on a previous sgt test did i get promoted hell no city took that list down word is the next 70 people on the list were majority black males and females came from a very reputable source. Its all BULLSHIT!!!!
----------------------------------- Yeah,thats the reason the city took down the test, cause were too many blacks next to get promoted. That was your clout(reputable source) telling you he did nothing for you and blamed it on whitey
Anonymous said...
yeah, look into that f/2 who scored #2 on det. exam and #1 on sgt. exam.
out of thousands of applicants.
STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE !
3/10/2009 02:19:00 AM
Douche, she happens to be super-smart. Why don't you try "looking into" your own ass!
3/10/2009 08:33:00 PM
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If that's true, why is she such a crap sergeant??? What went so wrong???
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Because your smart does not automatically mean you will be a good Sergeant. Knowing how to manage and actually managing people is two very different things. I will take a street smart Sergeant over a know it all college Sergeant any day.
Of all the merit I know, ONE deseved it, on my opinion.
Hell, I know a guy who was shot, and his partber killed,and he is still a P.O.
I’m a blue shirt, been in one since '95. I can count Three (3) that are merit Sgt’s, that were the working police, knew their shit, kicked ass, took names, and loved to lock up bad-guys all day, everyday! Now, they are Sgts, they have the same attitude, and have no problem showing officers that want to learn how to be the Police, the right way. Will look out for them, stand behind officers when they are wrong.
Aint too many like that who made it off the score!
Anonymous said...
when did the city first steal the promotion process with "merit" sgt's???
3/10/2009 08:36:00 PM
I don't recall the exact date, but I do recall it was almost immediately after the first time they published two separate lists. There was so much talk about the officers on the merit list, the department decided to protect all future merits and only produce one list.
Somebody help me, wasn't the first merits in the early 90s?
Oops I just reread your post, and I thought you said "seal" the list.
I mean like please tell me where this "black church" is located.
Three come to mind:
#1: 752 East 114th St.
#2: 400 W 95th St.
#3: 7351 South Stony Island Ave.
Have a blessed day!
3/10/2009 12:46:00 AM
Hey troller that is not how they scored the tests in 1975 they did not start scoring the test like that ie well qualified, qualified ect. until after 1995. Stay off the blog faker.
You are a joke youngster. Know your facts before you speak. 1975 test had 4 groups. Well Qualified, Qualified, Conditionally Qualified and Not Qualified. If my memory serves me correctly they went through the entire list and all but the Not Qualified were hired.
One more point. Many who took that 1975 test were not college educated like you geniuses coming on now. Now that you are chastised keep your mouth shut unless you know the facts.
The Box Chevy Phantom said...
...oh? you mean the famous f/2 from 019 who couldn't find find her ass with three hands, two clues and a hint?
#2 on the dicks test & #1 on the sgts? something like a bit over a year apart between promotions?? PLEASE! go somewhere else & peddle the freshly bottled stink off this bullshit!
Begrudging no one who has put time in and actually went toe to toe & eyeball to eyeball with ol' boy out west or out south, BUT...
Conventional wisdom seems to dictate that no blue jean police until five years in patrol. Non eligible for detective until 10 years in patrol. Sergeant? Please... Minimum of 15 years experience in PATROL before you can dare to sniff a white shirt. PERIOD.
That's part of what's ruining this job... green as monkey-shit supervision! If it ain't in the G/O's they have no frame of referrence whatsoever and there's a lot of stuff in the police world that can't be answered by reading & parroting a G/O word for word... That's where the years of street experience come into play... But then again, this mess has short-biggie's fingerprints all over it.
3/10/2009 08:31:00 PM
I have never met this infamous woman but there is NO fucking way she did that without being told exactly what was going to be on the test. #2 on the Dicks test and #1 on the Sgts test gotta raise some flags. I don't care how much you say she studied and how smart she may be. You can study your ass off but it dont mean shit if your studying all the wrong material! Let me guess, #1 on the Leuitenants test when she takes it because she is the smartest person on this department.
Anonymous said...
yeah, look into that f/2 who scored #2 on det. exam and #1 on sgt. exam.
out of thousands of applicants.
STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE
Who is this Mensa member we have working amongst us. She has to have an I.Q. of at least 145. A pure genius working with us here on the CPD.
Everything else in this corrupt cesspool is fixed and rigged to favor the few, of course the CPD promotional tests are fixed. You don't think the politicians and bosses are going to allow their kids to test with the unwashed masses on a level field, do you?
Dumb but loyal political suckholes continually get promoted by "competitive exam" and those whose IQ test out at genius level cannot make it?
3/11/2009 at 12:48--shut your pie hole--you ain't the real police--that was very apparent when you wrote that you were a f/01-----real cops write it f/1--so stay off this blog because no one cares what you say or think!
If that's true, why is she such a crap sergeant??? What went so wrong???
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I don't know the person you are tlaking about, but just becasue you do well on written tests is not going to make you successful at anything, except maybe taking tests.
The tests should be used to weed out the stupid and those too lazy to study.
I would be willing to bet that someone who is a good test taker, and had some idea what was on the test, and had access to study material (such as your general orders) could do quite well on the test, never having been a cop.
These kind of tests only test how well you can regurgitate facts.
"monday was the 9th.
3/10/2009 12:10:00 AM"
Tuesday was the 10th.
Merit promotions would not be bad if the person receiving it was qualified, unlike the f/2 who was put in for sgt. works in 009th dist. Only qualifications are on her knees for CMDR Roy. Seven years on the job 5 1/2 inside...... real qualified
I know one thing
When I was a student inthe Chicago Public Schools during the 1960's and 1970's I used to score 3 grades above myself on the standardized achievement tests
Wow. What an achievement. Like being the tallest midget. FYI: your picture still hangs above the center urinal in the 2nd floor bathroom at the Paderewski Learning Academy. The janitor still talks about you.
DOESN'T ANYONE CARE THAT THE THREAD THAT STARTED THIS -IS ALL BULLSHIT. SOMEONE PUTS A LIE ON THE BLOG AND EVERYONE GOES CRAZY. SHOWS A REAL LACK OF INTELLIGENT FORTHOUGHT.
Anonymous said...
when did the city first steal the promotion process with "merit" sgt's???
3/10/2009 08:36:00 PM
I don't recall the exact date, but I do recall it was almost immediately after the first time they published two separate lists. There was so much talk about the officers on the merit list, the department decided to protect all future merits and only produce one list.
Somebody help me, wasn't the first merits in the early 90s?
Oops I just reread your post, and I thought you said "seal" the list.
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1998
Since the list comes from the score of the second part of the test ranked by senority and the second part is graded by hitting "code words" in short answers, who ever got in the top 5 in the last Dicks and Sgts either had 40 years on the job or only missed a couple of the possible hundreds or thousands of code words!
Regarding the following post...
Oh im sure it happened. This city and its depts all suck. I am f/01 who did very well on a previous sgt test did i get promoted hell no city took that list down word is the next 70 people on the list were majority black males and females came from a very reputable source. Its all BULLSHIT!!!!
It's no wonder you never got promoted. You can't even type a simple thought. No proper punctuation on your forty-four (44) word run-on sentence.
Bwaahahaha!!!
hey jan! i heard that the inspector generals office will be knocking on the door soon! somebody provided some info on your "study group"! i believe they will be talking to your "students" too! out of four, you think you could have had at least one blow the test so not everyone was in the top 30! a quick statistical analysis will sink you. in addition, when you all stick to the same story, iad will roll out the rule 14's! damned if you do, damned if you don't!
sleep well lt's!!! sleep well captain!
Anonymous said...
I would be willing to bet that someone who is a good test taker, and had some idea what was on the test, and had access to study material (such as your general orders) could do quite well on the test, never having been a cop.
These kind of tests only test how well you can regurgitate facts.
3/11/2009 08:56:00 AM
You would think that, not being from the police department, but once you read a few of our orders you would realize how difficult it is for many. It isn't that we are of diminished intelligence, it is just the way these orders are written and by whom. If they were written by people of high intelligence I think the exams would be more fair with less opportunity for ringer questions which ask for some very obscure fact out of a 12 page order. Usually there is something stated in nearly the same way and repeated 5 times each with a subtle nuanced difference.
People who are good at studying and memorizing lots of arcane stuff do well on these tests but they are no longer a good indication of who would be a good detective, Sgt. etc.
Then there is the essay part of the test, the "what would you do if..." type question and in what order.
I always tested very well in school. I graduated college before I came on the police department and was reasonably sure I would do well on promotional exams. I never did well. Closest I ever came was 500.
In 25 years of taking these tests and never coming close to being promoted I have come to accept my fate and realize that I never want to be the type of person who would do well on these tests.
speaking of merit hacks. who is the sgt. on midnites in 007 that refused to help an off duty police officer after an drunk citizen rammed her car . me thinks he may be related to the 14 year old police imposter. 7 years on the job and a sgt. PLEASSSSSSE.
OK THIS IS OFF TOPIC, BUT THIS IS A HOT TOPIC TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION!!!
PLEASE PUT THE ST JUDES PARADE BACK ON MICHIGAN AVENUE, WHY MUST WE BE TUCKED AWAY IN THE PARK WITH THE PIGEONS.
Thank You
Proud to be the POLICE
I have never met this infamous woman but there is NO fucking way she did that without being told exactly what was going to be on the test. #2 on the Dicks test and #1 on the Sgts test gotta raise some flags. I don't care how much you say she studied and how smart she may be. You can study your ass off but it dont mean shit if your studying all the wrong material! Let me guess, #1 on the Leuitenants test when she takes it because she is the smartest person on this department.
3/11/2009 04:30:00 AM
reminds me of the isakson dynamic duo! Old time dad retired from the job who notoriously did some old school policing with top brass before they were made... AMAZINGLY both (each with less than 5 years on) scored in the top 10 on both Sgts and Dets exams! As a matter of fact, the younger lad made Sgt before he had time in grade to get the spot!!! So he couldnt take it, and is still waiting for his "earned" chevrons! Give me a fucking break! Talk about an impossibility! Not one, but TWO from the same blood line scoring top 10 in TWO promotional lists with a combined 8 years on the job!!! WHAT IS THIS, THE BRITISH FUCKING MONARCHY??? This department is a JOKE!!!
AGAIN TO THE SRG WHO SAID QUIT WINING AND START STUDING HARDER- FUCK U STATE YOUR NAME SUP SO i CAN SALUTE YOUR ASS- FIGURES YOUR A PUSSY SUP
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There are alot of us who know that a prior superintendent's son received a copy of the det, sgt and lt exam prior to the test date. We know this because he stupidly shared it to impress his co workers who have big mouths and they have girlfriends who have big mouths and thought it was funny to brag. Daddy was pissed after hearing about it after the second time, but he still gave it to the kid a third time. Think daddy ever played this game to get where he got? The acorn doesn't fall far from the tree.
3/10/2009 11:01:00 PM
Don't forget a State's Attorney's son and his tact team buddies.
It's all legit.
Give me a fucking break! Talk about an impossibility! Not one, but TWO from the same blood line scoring top 10 in TWO promotional lists with a combined 8 years on the job!!! WHAT IS THIS, THE BRITISH FUCKING MONARCHY??? This department is a JOKE!!!
Don't cry. You can still cash out your pension $$$ and become a full time vagrant. Your new throne at Lower Michigan and South Water awaits, Sire.
AMAZINGLY both (each with less than 5 years on) scored in the top 10 on both Sgts and Dets exams! As a matter of fact, the younger lad made Sgt before he had time in grade to get the spot!!!
There is NO WAY any one with less time on the job to actully get promoted could legit score well enough to get in the top 100! If they were that smart, they would not be the police let alone CHICAGO police.
Dude what do you mean "the black church"? I mean like please tell me where this "black church" is located. Is it next to the "white church" Last time I checked I had black friends who were Catholics, Muslims, Bhuddists, and Jewish. I even know a black guy in my philosophy class who is a registered Republican! If you look at the Fire Department and the Police Department I bet the number of black managers you see is still very small. Dude stop making corruption a black or democrat thing. It a failure of people. Guy I love your blog but at times its a bit sour if you know what I mean.....
3/10/2009 06:22:00 PM
obviously NOT the police! Hey, Levine, take your liberal ass to the west/south side and educate yourself on BLACK CHURCHES!!! I mean I guess Historically Black Colleges do not exist either because some brothers end up at normal state schools!!! loser
Just like the goof over in the dog fighting unit that made Sgt. without the required edumakation opahh. Worst part is that he brags about it. Makes me want to puke gyros!
He should buy a thicker pair of glasses...I'll bet u love that doggie unit, does it remind u of her? Hah she'll never do u again flamin cheese boy... you lucky I can't spell saganaki.....
Just like that long haired goof from narcotics who got promoted to det. then like a dumbass bragged that he didn't even take the det.'s test. But he was put back in narcotics because he was so valuable and trusted. Yeah O.K. so well trusted he bragged about not taking the test.... let the FBI talk to him, he'll flip.... he has to he attended det. class for over 2 weeks, he should have been charges foe stealing that education and training from someone who earned it.......
Dude what do you mean "the black church"? I mean like please tell me where this "black church" is located. Is it next to the "white church" Last time I checked I had black friends who were Catholics, Muslims, Bhuddists, and Jewish. I even know a black guy in my philosophy class who is a registered Republican! If you look at the Fire Department and the Police Department I bet the number of black managers you see is still very small. Dude stop making corruption a black or democrat thing. It a failure of people. Guy I love your blog but at times its a bit sour if you know what I mean.....
Signed,
The Schaumberg raised White guy who tough, gritty, and street smart because he lives in the "city" now. I also ride an old shitty ten speed and wear capri pants as I burn rubber!!!
Face the truth. "I'm no good at taking tests" is nothing more than a euphemism for "I'm stupid".
Regarding the following post...
Oh im sure it happened. This city and its depts all suck. I am f/01 who did very well on a previous sgt test did i get promoted hell no city took that list down word is the next 70 people on the list were majority black males and females came from a very reputable source. Its all BULLSHIT!!!!
It's no wonder you never got promoted. You can't even type a simple thought. No proper punctuation on your forty-four (44) word run-on sentence.
Bwaahahaha!!!
3/11/2009 03:44:00 PM
Laughing my balls off! 44 word run-on sentence! Nice call.
REPEAT: Less than one chance in 13,800,000,000,000 that the so-called "ORAL BOARD" (weighted at 80% after the fact) was NOT rigged.
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is this the Sgt Test from 1990? And the oral was worth 80% ---
hold on a second - if I remember correctly there was NO meritorious on this test, so 100% came off the list (not the current 30% meritorious)
so all that credit I give to Sgt.s who made it off that list is misplaced?
Dude what do you mean "the black church"?
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that would be a church with a bunch of blacks in attendance .... moron
Anonymous said...
when did the city first steal the promotion process with "merit" sgt's???
3/10/2009 08:36:00 PM
I don't recall the exact date, but I do recall it was almost immediately after the first time they published two separate lists. There was so much talk about the officers on the merit list, the department decided to protect all future merits and only produce one list.
Somebody help me, wasn't the first merits in the early 90s?
Oops I just reread your post, and I thought you said "seal" the list.
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1998
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even if the prior tests contained no meritorious - they still had the oral portions - did they not? - and that was all a scam
I know of a lieutenant who took 3 meritorious spots
Meritorious Detective -Sgt - and now Lt.
he's actually a great guy - and I'd work for him any day but WTF???
Did you ever think for a second that the reason the people who attend the study groups score higher is because they are actually putting forth an effort? WOW THAT"S A NOVEL CONCLUSION EH?
These "study groups" you speak of are open to any member of the department who wants to shell out THEIR OWN HARD EARNED CASH! That is why people bitch. Less than 1% is probably hand fed the test. We can't even get guys to buy uniforms with their UNIFORM CHECK!. I am tired of hearing all the bitching by SCC and the rest of the hacks with tight pockets. Take a study session and MAN UP!
Sure people who are related to people who have scored well do good. That is how it works. If you did well you can pass on what you did. Usually good habits run in the family. ITS CALLED GENES!
Myself and at 8 of my co-workers attended one of the outside "study sessions" which tagged us for about 2k. Guess what............ all of us scored under 300. 6 out of the 8 in the top 120. SO PLEASE! NONE OF US HAD THE COPY! If you all study as much as you bitch you would have scored high. SHIT PROBABLY 90% OF THE POSTER HERE WOULD BE IN THE TOP SPOTS! Open you tight pockets, a book and STFU already.
THE TEST ISN"T THE PROBLEM IT IS THE MERIT SPOTS THAT TAKE AWAY THE SPOTS OF THOSE THAT HAVE EARNED IT BY HARD WORK!
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IF THE TEST ISN'T THE PROBLEM WHY ARE YOU NOT GIVEN A SCORE IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE EXAM LIKE THE DO IN HIGH SCHOOL EXAMS????? ITS A DAMN SCANTRON SHEET, THAT NEEDBE ONLY FED INTO A MACHINE AND SCORED IMMEDIATELY. BUT SOMEHOW THE CITY TAKES MONTHS TO CAME TO AN ACTUAL SCORE. THAT I WOULD SAY IS A PROBLEM.
3/10/2009 11:11:00 PM
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I made Det legit in 2000 off the '98 ? '99? exam (only one exam just not sure which year it was given) There was quite a bit of writing out of the answers if I remember correctly. It was not solely scantron.
Det is 20% merit (as opposed to SGT, LT 30%)
when was the final 'no-merit' Det test? In other words when was the first Det class which contained merit guys? the 98/99 test (promotions began in Sep 2000) definitely was 20% merit
Which study group did you take?
Keep studying those orders!!! No clout, no phonecall, no famous last name, no promotion for you!!!!
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