Do Not Get Caught Doing This
We've all heard the stories. Here's what you risk:
Steven R. Cordes wanted to help his girlfriend keep tabs on who her teenage daughter was dating and hanging out with.
So Cordes — director of a Kane County emergency dispatch agency — searched confidential police databases and did criminal background checks on a boyfriend and other friends.
But the searches were unauthorized — and illegal. On Thursday the 44-year-old Lake in the Hills man on Thursday was sentenced to six months in jail and placed on 30 months probation after he pleaded guilty to official misconduct for running the searches between 2006 and 2008 while he ran Quadcomm, a 911 dispatch center.
As everything is traceable to individual log-on ID's and keylogger programs are running in the backgrounds of most Department computers, there really aren't any excuses to get caught doing anything that doesn't have a police purpose. Just don't.
Labels: info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
61 Comments:
What's the deal? I've never seen anything in writing or even heard of a problem with this. I can understand doing it for a person who is not the police, but to run your kids boyfriend. What's this world coming to. Techically you are conduting a police investigation. Prove otherwise.
This guy just ran way too many names.
He should have done some leg work
instead, you can find out a lot
with a little effort but you can't
do it from a chair...
access to a database doesn't make
you real police officer...
He is a bonehead and lazy...
Makes you wonder how many times J-Fed did the exact same thing to find dirt on his command staff?
Any person including a cop can get the same infromation from the various court clerks! It's a PUBLIC RECORD.
You have a right to the information, just don't use departmental resources for your hunt.
You can even do a statewide name check through the state police. Their website will show you how.
If you can't deal with this yourself, get a PI pal to do it for you.
I believe this is the reason so many shitbags are strolling up and down the streets these days. Years ago everyone had the bad guys numbers! What a shame this man is going to jail.
You were directing your warning to police officers, right, scc? Because we all know this wouldn't apply to exempt in our department. Most of the repeat merit bosses half to run their family and lady friends on a daily basis.
just saw this on the news ...
I am guessing there is FAR MORE to the story ....
you don't go to jail for running names ...
What ELSE did he do?????
Don't get caught doing official misconduct?
You're a cop, you're supposed to uphold the law.
You go on and on about the Daley family crimes and corruption and all you can say is just don't get caught doing your own misconduct?
Lawyers have made this nation ugly. How'd the investigaton begin in the first place?
I don't run anyone anymore... why bother? I'm not even worthy of a contract!
OFF TOPIC: But can somebody please tell me why the memorial vandals case keeps getting continued???
Don't get caught doing official misconduct?
You're a cop, you're supposed to uphold the law.
You go on and on about the Daley family crimes and corruption and all you can say is just don't get caught doing your own misconduct?
If you don't understand the English language, maybe you shouldn't be reading these posts.
There are no hidden meanings in the post. "Do Not Get Caught Doing This" is a perfectly acceptable way of saying, "Don't Do This or J-Fed Will Make Sure to Drive Stake Through Your Ass."
Conspiracy nuts like you truly devolve the level of debate by twisting the English language and finding hidden meanings in innocuous words. How very "liberal" of you.
Asshat.
Accessing LEADS for a non-police purpose ( checking up on boyfriends is hard to justify as a "police purpose" )is illegal. Not only that, but I know of at least one CPD officer who was charged with Federal wire fraud charges for running a name for his buddy who turned out to be a dope dealer.
The problem is, since so many people abuse the privilege, many don't even realize that it is against the Law. But it is.
Wonder how many people in the Department with Department issued Lexis Nexus type accounts have run background checks on their renters?
Never admit to anything.
Probably a good time to emphasize also that you should be careful with your passwords, like not writing them down on a sticky under a keyboard (hear that Commander, have someone remove it for you:) don't make them obvious to someone who can guess, like bluevette1 if you have a blue Corvette, and watch for people looking over your shoulder to get your PW.
I wonder how many Patrolmen have the password Fuckyoujfed ?
Stay safe and God Bless on this September 11.
--Not a cop--but not that--not a cop--
ot citizens and cpd blame responding officers for not inventorying lock looking for fingerprints at crime scene
do not put yourself in position of not doing your job
call an et on every burglary , recovered auto , shooting , domestic battery
that 's why et's get d2 pay
let them respond and make the decision
don't be the scapegoat for cpd
"you don't go to jail for running names" ...
You WILL, at least, be fired.... Dont do it.
Anonymous said...
What's the deal? I've never seen anything in writing or even heard of a problem with this. I can understand doing it for a person who is not the police, but to run your kids boyfriend. What's this world coming to. Techically you are conduting a police investigation. Prove otherwise.
This guy just ran way too many names.
9/11/2009 12:27:00 AM
You can understand running names for people not the police? What banana land are you from? You cannot do it goof, or else your fucked! Think boy think!!
Almost 20 yrs on and I never heard this was illegal. I know you can't run backround checks for people who are not the police.
It's funny when I hear people in the public sector talk about HIPA (SP?) violations when we deal with peoples info everyday and I don't even know what that means.
Do the janitors follow any protocol because I've never seen anything shredded and how many reports and rap sheets go into the garbage?
There have been several suburban and down State LEOs' convicted of running unathuerized CQHs' and as well as criminal convictions lost their jobs for doing so. Several did so for P.I.s', one(County,not Crook County) owned a P.I. company and sold the info. to clients.
In general the rule is only authorized searches for C-C-C, Cops, Courts & Corrections.
I am not playing devil's advocate here but...what if you suspect your daughter's boyfriend is selling dope out of your apartment that they rentto them.? Are you in violation doing a check on something like that? Where is the line? That car in the alley all the time? The neighbor's car with all the traffic in and out? We are on 24 hours. I am unclear on some things.
There was a deputy in Florida who ran a check on his friend's ex-girlfriend and gave the friend her new address. A few days later, the ex and her new boyfriend were attacked. He was shot and killed, the ex had acid thrown in her face and was permanently blinded. The feds charged them with conspiracy because they couldn't prove the murder/attack. The "friend" got 20 years, the deputy got 8 years, even though there was no proof that the deputy know what his buddy was going to do with the info.
Using LEADS for personal purposes is a Class A misdemeanor, bad enough, but you could be held responsible for whatever that info is used for as well.
This depts ISD couldn't install a keylogger if they tried.
use of any dept computer for personal/private investigation(s) on state database LEADS will subject user to criminal charges & of course job/pension loss at the least. This is covered in Leads training and general orders and Illinois statutes. Back in the day users paid no mind because you did not have to be logged in with your personal ID #, so no real accountability. Today anyone with an ax to grind can hang you out to dry for CLEAR or PDT misuse? Be very careful the delete button does not erase hard drive archives.
I've never seen anything in writing or even heard of a problem with this.
--When you log onto DWH it says for official police business only and are trained in LEADS you are informed that this is to be used for police purposes only.
Never heard of a problem ? Yea Ok.
On the other hand, if you get info from a reliable source about a person committing crimes, drug related or otherwise, is it not your sworn duty to follow it up somehow? where is the line drawn? we have a nation , a County, and a city and its Suburbs running out of contropl with crime, and police officers get criticized if they don't so anything, and ignore it. so how about some fairness and common sense? Yes, some do abuse info. sources for stupid shit, but legit checks on crimminal activities should be followed up on. God Bless Texas, and god Bless the USA
sounds like someone dropped a dime on the poor guy!
What's the big deal of doing a name check on someone, maybe some of our exempt ranks should have did some background checks on there tennants. there is plenty of drugs in them houses
This just in...
JPUD's next victims will be the lowly P.O.s and maybe even their sergeant who took the missing person report for that girl who was now supposedly, "abducted."
JPUD on the news, as usual, admitted all the blame on the department and assured the press that the officers will be dealt with harshly and accordingly. Of course, JPUD wasn't there and has no idea if any evidence of a break-in were visible to the patrolmen taking the report.
Instead of apologizing and putting the blame on a bunch of overworked, underpaid P.O.s why doesn't JPUD for once stand up and tell the media how it really is???
He could have easily said, the police who responded couldn't determine if it was a bonafide incident because you people call the police for everything and its getting harder to figure out when it is really a police matter. If the majority of Chicago citizens disciplined their kids properly then there wouldnt be the need for all these missing person reports for teenage runaways, mad at mommy and daddy. I wonder if this girl had been reported missing before? My guess is momma used up her share of police resources and time in the past reporting bogus missing incidents.
Anyway just another example of JPUD trying to fuck the working guy at any chance he can.
It is NEVER okay to run a name for personal reasons. When you trained for LEADS you should have been taught that. The powers that be can go back YEARS and see who you have run and it can come back to haunt you. Don't do it for a friend either.
So, don't hang out with any felons, because you could be fired, but for damn sure don't run anyone to find out if they are in fact a felon, because you could go to prison.
Got it.
ot citizens and cpd blame responding officers for not inventorying lock looking for fingerprints at crime scene
Why do I get the feeling there's more to this story than whats in
the papers.Somthing stinks,and I feel a couple of P/O's are about to get thrown under J-Feds bus.
Retired...............and loving it
i'm very unclear on this. we were never told in the academy that we could be fired for this. personal reasons? looking up your district you live and seeing what the beat car is doing on the beat you live in? looking up to see if your academy buddies are logged on? c'mon now. everything we do on those computers is for personal reasons. there is more to this.
Twenty years ago I ran a wanted offender on the desk computer. The FED's were hunting this guy for some kind of official coruption. Three months later I was called to meet two LEO's on the street. They turned out to be two Junior G Men wanting to know why I had run this guy.
Side bar: ALL current CPD computers have key loggers installed on them. I ran an anti-virus program on one and it poped-up. Deleted it, and it was back the next day. Re-installs automatically.
nonymous Anonymous said...
Word is spreading that the groupie Commander, (R.W.) took numerous members of her staff (on duty of course) to the Cubs/Sox crosstown last Thursday (1:05 game).
This begs of questions on many fronts.
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PSSSSS - Word on the street is RW took a crap last night. Spread the word...
As I have more important things to do with my f'ing time then reading your weird fucking revenge blogs can you just challenge her to a f'ing dual or something. Who gives a shit who goes to a ball game you asshole. We take time all summer to do that shit. What kind of holier then though asshole are you. I can't believe you are a Chicago cop...you sound like some sick son-of-a bitch.
9/10/2009 10:32:00 PM
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You take time, they didn't. Do you use a squad car to go to the game?
Lets review shall we.
Free tickets.
Free transportation on the taxpayers.
Getting paid to watch a baseball game on the taxpayers dime..
So, don't hang out with any felons, because you could be fired, but for damn sure don't run anyone to find out if they are in fact a felon, because you could go to prison.
If you never ran them you have no knowledge of them being a felon.
anything you run in the C.P.D. can
be traced. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE: I
was living with my ex, my ex moved
out and i ran the name just to
make sure my ex is not using my
address. my ex filed a complaint
for something else...after a full
year of investigations by I.A.D..
THE ORIGINAL ALLEGATION WAS
UNFOUNDED, BUT I WAS FOUND GUILTY
VIOLATING RULE # 4 (using police
powers for personal gain).
NEEDLESS to say...i didn't gain
anything, but a lot of aggravation.
This guy got too comfortable running all the names he wanted for the girlfriend and wound up getting burned. Simple solution is don't run plates or people for your friends unless you have a good explanation for why you did it. And by good explanation I mean something that a boss would have to agree with.
LEADS policy is clear, follow the three C's...Cops-Courts-Corrections... and you will be fine.
For the folks talking about the car parked down the block for a few days, nothing wrong with running the plate as long as you don't give anyone else the information who doesn't fall under the three C's.
I'm a cop now, but having been a dispatcher I can tell you that even if your department doesn't have the software to track what plates and people you run, the state does. I have done inquiries to the state before and all you have to do is specify the plate or name and the time frame and they will send you back a list of what department and terminal ran it during that time frame.
Use your heads boys and girls!!!
How you supposed to find out if an aquaintance is a felon? Duh!!!! That's a rule violation also!
Sounds like a lot of us didn't pay attention when they took the LEADS test. You can't do this or you will be charged with official misconduct.
If you want to find out about someone and don't know how to do it without police databases, you should find a private investigator to do it for you.
Using LEADS for personal purposes is a Class A misdemeanor, bad enough, but you could be held responsible for whatever that info is used for as well.
9/11/2009 10:38:00 AM
Is this Il law or something one PPO told another PPO??23 years on and this is news to me.I know passing info you ran to others is a no-no,but never knew just running for your knowledge was illegal.
everyone says LEADS but this also goes for all databases that r not public info. It goes for CLEAR, ACCURINT, CHRIS etc.
everyone says LEADS but this also goes for all databases that r not public info. It goes for CLEAR, ACCURINT, CHRIS etc.
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accurint is public info ...you gotta pay for it ...but its public info ....
you can run a plate for $7 at the S.O.S. too ....it's public info ...but you gotta pay for it
Probably a good time to emphasize also that you should be careful with your passwords, like not writing them down on a sticky under a keyboard (hear that Commander, have someone remove it for you:) don't make them obvious to someone who can guess, like bluevette1 if you have a blue Corvette, and watch for people looking over your shoulder to get your PW.
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Bullshit ...you should give away your password to everyone you know ...leave you password logged on in all the districts ....that when when something goes awry you can show 10 coppers were all using your password at the same time all over the city ....
prove it was me .....NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH
PSSSSS - Word on the street is RW took a crap last night. Spread the word...
As I have more important things to do with my f'ing time then reading your weird fucking revenge blogs can you just challenge her to a f'ing dual or something. Who gives a shit who goes to a ball game you asshole. We take time all summer to do that shit. What kind of holier then though asshole are you. I can't believe you are a Chicago cop...you sound like some sick son-of-a bitch.
9/10/2009 10:32:00 PM
Look you corruption loving asshole, don't fault this officer posting about a member who already is in hot water for abusing her badge, to continue to abuse it. You are what is wrong with this department. If you want to stick your fucking nose up the commanders ass then do it but don't expect other law abiding and rule and reg abiding officers to "swallow" the shit those who have no honor or integrity do ON DUTY. We WILL have something to say about it fucker so get used to it!
What prosecutor had the time to waste on this crap? Obviously not one that's overworked or worried about the public safety.
This is a mini Bill Cozzi.
At the most, the officer should have been dealt with administratively.
FYI's --
1. Illinois DOC web site has very good information on current inmates and parolees, including color photos:
http://www.idoc.state.il.us/subsections/search/default.asp
2. If you want to see the gold standard, check out the Wisconsin Circuit Court web site that has public access to all recent adult records, criminal and civil, statewide. Updated hourly, this includes very detailed charge and conviction data, bond conditions, addresses, case status, etc. It's free and public:
http://wcca.wicourts.gov
Note: If you bust anyone who has an open criminal court case in Wis., commission of any crime anywhere is an automatic bond violation. Drop a dime or an E-mail on the Wis. PD or DA and you just might get a free trip to Cheeseland to testify.
Why can't Springfield come up with something like Wis?
OLD*6970 said "access to a database doesn't make you a real police officer."
With apologies to someone who makes this geezer look young (you got ten years on me), I must take issue with some of that.
A *good* dispatcher is gold. Unfortunately, today's crop is highly variable and too bureaucratized.
A good dispatcher who knows how to mine databases can find out a lot of helpful information that can save your hind end, such as prior calls, weapons, parole status, etc. A good dispatcher with address to the street address telephone directory can sometimes get information about what's going down before you get there by simply calling people in the neighborhood of the call.
A good dispatcher has to be able to think like a cop -- and often better than a cop.
I know that wasn't OLD*6970's main issue but I started as a dispatcher when computers were pretty new and figured out how to maximize their use to help the guys on the road. When I got on the road this inside knowledge was often helpful.
Flip side: today's robotic dispatching sucks. Yes, it has a few good points but computers and call takers are less reliable and much slower than in the old days.
A call could be dispatched quicker in the 1930's than today. Enough said.
Just so you know about running plates, there is a search that can be done to determine if someone's plates were run as well as a name check. I was working a child abduction case once and ISP ran a search to see if the abductor's plates had been run. They could tell us everytime they'd been run in the past year (which is all they were asked for) and who had run them.
There is also a fed who is facing 10 years in prison for running his ex-girlfriend's records. He didn't distribute it, the charges are based on him accessing data bases operated by Homeland Security for his personal use.
Is this Il law or something one PPO told another PPO??23 years on and this is news to me.I know passing info you ran to others is a no-no,but never knew just running for your knowledge was illegal.
9/11/2009 09:46:00 PM
In 23 years you never were trained on LEADS? Must be one of the anointed who've spent their whole career in a "spot".
It is a violation of federal law for a police officer to access certain data bases for his personal use and that includes running daughter's boyfriends. You can also be subject to a civil suit for violation of privacy.Just do not do it. A PI can get much of the same information, but they have to pay for it. Never use these data bases for anyone at anytime unless it is your assignment. You could be indicted ( see Acosta) and you could lose yur job.
All I can say about that is, if Aunt B had done a little of that, it would have saved her a whole bunch of embarrassment down the road about her daughter's squeeze at the condo!
nonymous Anonymous said...
Word is spreading that the groupie Commander, (R.W.) took numerous members of her staff (on duty of course) to the Cubs/Sox crosstown last Thursday (1:05 game).
This begs of questions on many fronts.
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PSSSSS - Word on the street is RW took a crap last night. Spread the word...
As I have more important things to do with my f'ing time then reading your weird fucking revenge blogs can you just challenge her to a f'ing dual or something. Who gives a shit who goes to a ball game you asshole. We take time all summer to do that shit. What kind of holier then though asshole are you. I can't believe you are a Chicago cop...you sound like some sick son-of-a bitch.
9/10/2009 10:32:00 PM
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You take time, they didn't. Do you use a squad car to go to the game?
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Why don't you run this a few more times just in case someone on Mars didn't read it. What a dipshit you are. And why are people calling him Mr. Holiday inn...can anyone fill me in on that.
PSSSSS - Word on the street is RW took a crap last night. Spread the word...
As I have more important things to do with my f'ing time then reading your weird fucking revenge blogs can you just challenge her to a f'ing dual or something. Who gives a shit who goes to a ball game you asshole. We take time all summer to do that shit. What kind of holier then though asshole are you. I can't believe you are a Chicago cop...you sound like some sick son-of-a bitch.
9/10/2009 10:32:00 PM
Look you corruption loving asshole, don't fault this officer posting about a member who already is in hot water for abusing her badge, to continue to abuse it. You are what is wrong with this department. If you want to stick your fucking nose up the commanders ass then do it but don't expect other law abiding and rule and reg abiding officers to "swallow" the shit those who have no honor or integrity do ON DUTY. We WILL have something to say about it fucker so get used to it!
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Why do I think there are a bunch of cops right now saying "we who dickhead"
A lot of experts are talking about how you should know this cause you took the L.E.A.D.S. test.A couple people took it for are whole district.That aside ,you know when you log on it can be traced.Don"t do it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
nonymous Anonymous said...
Word is spreading that the groupie Commander, (R.W.) took numerous members of her staff (on duty of course) to the Cubs/Sox crosstown last Thursday (1:05 game).
This begs of questions on many fronts.
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PSSSSS - Word on the street is RW took a crap last night. Spread the word...
As I have more important things to do with my f'ing time then reading your weird fucking revenge blogs can you just challenge her to a f'ing dual or something. Who gives a shit who goes to a ball game you asshole. We take time all summer to do that shit. What kind of holier then though asshole are you. I can't believe you are a Chicago cop...you sound like some sick son-of-a bitch.
9/10/2009 10:32:00 PM
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You take time, they didn't. Do you use a squad car to go to the game?
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Why don't you run this a few more times just in case someone on Mars didn't read it. What a dipshit you are. And why are people calling him Mr. Holiday inn...can anyone fill me in on that.
9/12/2009 05:18:00 PM
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Oh Mars knows about it. I wonder if she will also lose her take home car since ADS HL did. Probably not. She needs it to drive people around on company time to special events.
Corruption? Give me a break. It's just plain ole snitchin' on each other over a grudge match. Stop it, you're making me sick.
I told'ja she sounded fun to work for!
Here's what I did once on city time with a city squad car. I climbed on top of it, stepped over a six foot fence meant to keep me "the greatest White Sox fan in the world" out, bribed a private security guard a sawbuck to let me fill the back seat of my squad with those famous white painted bricks from the old stadium, took a quick side trip home (out of the district) to empty said back seat, then begifted my joyous family at Yuletime with the greatest gifts ever. Don't you wish you did?
I'm in the Burb's and talk here was that this guy was carrying his girlfriend on the insurance roles as an employee so she could get free insurance.There may be some validity to the rumor since the article I saw indicated that he had to pay restitution.
Lets ask the guys from 016.Thats all thet do ,they would know.I heard that a supercop from 016 stopped a guy from pulaski and madison,with burglary tools at about 145 in the morning.Let the guy go after the guy said he was on parole for burglary.Next day 3 thefts from vehicles within a 2 block span of where the guy was stopped.Good job guys,u work 3 miniutes from your house and dont even protect the homefront.Y you r making the same as a west or south side cop is unbelievable.Jfed if your reading this ,this is how u save money.Pay cuts 4 guys in the slow districts unless you have over 18 years.1 baggers,drug paraph,gambling ,and all the other nonsense a ticket for 100.00 now your saving money on guys who live off one baggers (no court date)and you make $100.00 a pop for all the nonsense arrests.Guys assigned to deskand lockup should be on a lowe pay scale.Their life is rarely in danger and they dont break a sweat.
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