Implausible, but Interesting
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- How about this..... I would love to see what is going to happen when this is implemented. The 7th district as well as the 17th district are going to be involved in a new pilot program for sector/beat integrity. (seeing none of these asshats in headquarters ever worked the streets it won't work in 7)
The deal is this, each sector sergeant will pick his sector personal. The dog asses will have to be equally distributed among the sergeants so that there is no unfair advantage. Then each car in that sector will be in the same day off group as the sector sergeant.
For Example....if 710 is in day off group 2 [then] 711, 712, 713, 714, and 715 will also be in that day off group. There will be relief sergeants to work the sector when the regular sergeant is off. What I want to know, is there is barely enough people to man the cars on a regular basis, people are going to have to involuntarily change there day off groups, who is going man the cars when a whole sector (11 people with the sergeant) are off?
This isn't coming from the commander of the districts it is coming from the brain tards at 35th st.
The only way we see this working, and a number of people commented on it already, is if we were at full strength. We're way too shorthanded to do this at the moment.
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posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
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"The 7th district as well as the 17th district are going to be involved in a new pilot program for sector/beat integrity."
yeah they tried that in 1993, it was called CAPS.
Yep. The idea is from the Civic Consulting Alliance. They are bunch of ivy league jack asses who know nothing about policing. The commander is on board 100% because he too knows nothing about working and supervising the street or running a watch.
It was done like this in the early 70s when I was very young, thin and hirsute man.
It didn't work then either.
This was tried before in the late sixtys or early seventies. It was called the team concept. I know for sure it was done in 013. It did not work ! It takes too much manpower! I was a Cadet in 013 when they tried it.
Old retired guy
To the original poster, do yourself and others a favor: Go back to school and take an English composition course. Your use of the language is embarrassing. You need to learn how to spell and use correct grammar.
If you have been hired in the last 16 years, how did you ever get out of college with skills like that?
As long as I don't have to change my DOG, I could give 2 shits!
That idea is old stuff! We did that in 020 back in the mid 70's!
Wow, I never thought that it would come back as a new idea?
They must be getting desperate?
Old revolver cop.
An idea that can only be properly implemented under the most ideal conditions, which we all know today are FAR FROM THAT. As such, it is doomed to failure. Who will take the blame for that? I can tell you who won't, 3M and J-Fled!
Will EB be the fall guy when this proposed plan crumbles into a steaming pile of whatthefuck? Is there room for another deflated know it all former exempt out at the airport?
This was tried several years ago while I was still on the job in 003. As I recall, it lasted maybe a day. Senority pretty much killed it as more senior people didn't want to change their day off groups or cars, etc. and bosses with any sense didn't want to piss off their workers.
If you have been hired in the last 16 years, how did you ever get out of college with skills like that?
Oh, oh. Sounds like a future boss.
Another LAPD thing. Enough already Brust. We're a different police department, you stroke.
To the original poster, do yourself and others a favor: Go back to school and take an English composition course. Your use of the language is embarrassing. You need to learn how to spell and use correct grammar.
If you have been hired in the last 16 years, how did you ever get out of college with skills like that?
U r a FN Tool..clear enough for yah?
"Senority pretty much killed it as more senior people didn't want to change their day off groups or cars, etc. and bosses with any sense didn't want to piss off their workers.
9/06/2010 05:18:00 AM"
the former might be a factor, but, since the latter is practically nonexistent these days........
Talk about your Deja vue all over again. I think it was about 70AD the VERY first time we gave it a shot, it sunk like like a stone. signed J. Christ
I hear that they also want to get rid of desk sergeants...
anyone hear this??
It was called the "sector concept" in the late 70's it was tried as a pilot program, I loved it, but the old timers voted it down and we went back to assigning three officers in three day off groups to each car -
I guess it might work if you put lots of manpower and a lot of PPO's there..
Whatever is new is old. The recycle this but refuse to go back to pins on the map. Now they put dots on a computer.
Boots on the ground
Good supervision
old retired guy
At any rate, per MOST of the allegedly bright ideas coming out of HQ, THIS ONE HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE! LOL...
I came on in 1980. We used that method then and it worked, no problem. I liked it much better than the way it's done now. There was a team concept, more camaraderie.
I believe the nypd use a system similar to this, they call themselves a platoon rather than a "sector team".
They tried something similar in the early 80's.It gets busy and the whole idea falls apart.Also,sad as it is,not many people give a rats ass about their beat or anything else.Without support from city hall and 35th street nothing is going to work.I don't see that support ever coming.
9/06/2010 12:58:00 AM
Seeing this isn't an English class go fuck yourself. I saw 3 errors, I see case reports from most that are 1000 times worse. Maybe if the person that wrote this sat on his ass like you do everyday nitpicking over bullshit he or she would have seen them as well.
Making over $300K and this is the best he can come up with?
I used to say the manager of our local Dollar Store could manage our Department better,now I'm betting the flower guy on 111th & Pulaski could do a better job.
They did it in the early 70s.
Failed miserably, will fail again. It will take everybody involved, including the Sgt., 10 seconds to figure out the "advantages" and "disadvantages" to this system.
Also today, we have nowhere near enough people to do this for more then two consecutive days.
Like most new "ideas", its just an opportunity for exempts to blow somebody who they perceive to be of value to them.
Mikey might be on the chopping block
To the original poster, do yourself and others a favor: Go back to school and take an English composition course. Your use of the language is embarrassing. You need to learn how to spell and use correct grammar.
If you have been hired in the last 16 years, how did you ever get out of college with skills like that?
9/06/2010 12:58:00 AM
STFU asshat. His point was clear and the message was understood. That point being we don't have enough manpower and the idea has been tried before and failed. (you can continue to be the spelling police or keep your spot in CAPS though)
Will the late rapid cars still get to hide out on bogus "Anti-violence" missions? Just like in 025, all the late cars hide out on these. It's just like Sgt. Whiteside never retired.
So the Poll says City Hall but I bet that FOP once again refuses to listen and it stays at Headquarters
This is the brainstorm of civilian consultants. The whole concept is the same as the old Beat Teams. Get ready its coming Citywide!
yeah they tried that in 1993, it was called CAPS.
9/06/2010 12:10:00 AM
It goes even further back. Unless it has been recently rescinded, check S.O. #79-15 (?). That was the initial effort for Sector Patrol. It went absolutely nowhere. It was found to be entirely impractical, but they kept it on the books because they did not want to admit it did not work.
To the original poster, do yourself and others a favor: Go back to school and take an English composition course. Your use of the language is embarrassing. You need to learn how to spell and use correct grammar.
If you have been hired in the last 16 years, how did you ever get out of college with skills like that?.................................Quit complaining about correct grammar!!!!!!! WGAS
Holy Crap, someone on the police group has been reading an old Star magazine. I was in 20 over thiry years ago and they did it back then when there were over 450 Coppers in the 20th District. Which one of the newbee's on the policy group is trying to take credit for this old idea. Wow better make that genius a merit Sergeant, oh wait a Merit Lt, oh wait, an Exempt then they would be able to see first hand that we do not have enough manpower to make it work. How about coming up with some new material junior.
once upon a time most cars had two officers assigned to it in the same day off group--- when those two officers were regular day off relief officers worked the car... the city then went to the three man rotation currently in place to discourage corruption... so now they are going to go back to something that was not working... what happens to the third man assigned to the cars... this will not work for 2 reasons--- their is not enough manpower and people will start screaming when they are separated from their partners.... 017 and 007 better start stocking up on the par forms right now....
Mealer Mealer Mealer Ernie has got ja number. You gone
It was tried in Town Hall back in 1990...it failed then because of the lack of manpower, and it will fail again because of it.
Also, it forces good and bad workers with Supervisors that were also good and bad.
Say what you want, but time usually sorts out who goes where and works for whom.
There is no magic formula.
I'm guessing an old retired "boss" with a degree of influence is screwing with someone with current policy making authority for the fun of it.
The secret to success is, and always has been, having competent and fair Supervision.
End of Report.
Holy shit please dont stick me with an asshat of a sgt.
It was in Town Hall in 1970...
This was called the sector concept and was a pilot program in 018, and elsewhere, for years back in the 70's. It was ultimately scrapped because, mathmatically, it required an extra man per sector over traditional staffing.
There were 4 "sectors", that being the 10, 20, 30 and relief sectors. As each sector was RDO, the relief sector covered for that day. The concept is similar to the tactical team day off groups, but with geographical boundaries.
Instead of 3 man rotations on each beat, each beat car had two permanent partners. I found it to be a FAR better system than what is done today, but because it required the extra manpower, it was thought to be too costly.
Can't blame them for retrying it though. It brought real unity to each sector and a tighter knit group of PO's who had a real allegiance to one another.
You can mark my words. IF this ever gets off the ground, it will eventually be ended for the same reason as last time... too costly.
Old Retired Guy Here: Yes this was done in 1978 and 1979. It worked great. Problem is you need lots of manpower. You need a relief team to handle the days off.
It was fun to come to work. We had a great Sgt. You worked with the same group in your sector. You all worked as a team. We competed with other sectors. I loved it. They got rid of it. Problem was manpower, and they lost control of the masses. They have to keep you suspicious, and jealous of each other. Its the great way, they always use to divide you. It worked then, and its working now.
PS: Have A Nice Day ??????
One major fire, police shooting, 10-1, Major accident, two shootings, in the sector it all falls apart.
Too many old guys in the sector picking summer furloughs, medical rats, personal day priorities, partner picking, guys pulled for details, Tru,
Good Luck Brainies
They are just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Imbeciles.
How would you work this in a district like 018. We usually run with one sgt. for the whole district. Are they going to put 40 people in our sergeant's day off group?
It's not going to matter. I still will get stuck working with Hyde.
To all you out there that get pissed because you get moved off "your car"-get over it. You have no contractual right to be assigned to a car. You bid to the watch-that is the only secure thing you have in the district-you are assigned to whatever car you are needed on for the day as long as it is withing the two hour window of your start time. Let the bitching begin.
CPD-looks like the 70's are back
going back to 70's
no more merit
all exempts must pass a promotional test
hey let's go back to 79
bring back Jane Byrne for Mayor
US PO's have been telling the powers to be to do this for sometime now. But some shit boss told the department to do this and boom we are going to be put into squads. WOW what a new idea a future gold star came up with. What a joke
Watch this clip! Funny little shitehead.
Future shooter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN5EJDa8DPw&NR=1
Manpower-wise you need:
Sgt and beats 1,2,3,4,5
10 Sector= 1 Sgt. 10 P.Os
20 Sector= 1 Sgt. 10 P.O.s
30 Sector= 1 Sgt. 10 P.O.s
Relief:
1 Sgt. 10 P.O.s
If Day-off groups go as such: 2,4 6
How are the relief guys suppose to get time off. Your already at 4 Sgts and 40 P.O.s
To the original poster, do yourself and others a favor: Go back to school and take an English composition course. Your use of the language is embarrassing. You need to learn how to spell and use correct grammar.
If you have been hired in the last 16 years, how did you ever get out of college with skills like that?
9/06/2010 12:58:00 AM
Are fucking kidding me? There are numerous exempts that can barely speak English, much less write a perfectly constructed sentence. Get a life, loser.
THIS IS HOT!!!
Soon to be in a squad car in every district!!! Glow-in-the-Dark Ouija Board. Move over pdt, this little gizmo will foretell the future and solve your problems. Sold for 20$ at your neighborhood target. It might come with wi-fi so you receive instant updates from Crystal Ball unit in HQ.
This program was implemented in the 013th district back in the early seventies. I thought it was great. Don't know why it never was implemented on a permanent basis. On the teams day off there would be a relief team to cover it. A retiree
What are you talking about? Shorthanded? I heard J-Fled on the radio (780AM) last night, and when asked how many officers the city was short, J-Fled said once you factored in that new class of recruits, that CPD was short only 850 officers, but that there were still 12,500 officers protecting the city of Chicago! That's 12,500 sworn police officers!! AND that the city was looking to hire MORE officers once they figured out how to 'creatively' seek out new recruits. When asked if he was referring to finding a new method of hiring in lieu of giving a test, J-Fled quickly responded that that was not his call and that he did not feel it appropriate to speak on behalf of the Human Resources Dept. However, he did say that he looked in to larger cities that implemented a hiring process that did not include a standardized test (which he claimed by the way ONLY determines if a candidate has a capacity to learn)and said that Raleigh was successful in doing so. But when the interviewer asked what Raleigh did in lieu of a test, J-Fled said that he had no idea because he did not look into any details, rather just that Raleigh did not have a test. J-Fled also said that the clearance rate on the test was at 85%, and therefore, the test was not very good at weeding out the candidates and implied that it should be dropped all together. HEY, GENIUS, I'VE GOT AN IDEA. INSTEAD OF DROPPING THE TEST, WHY NOT MAKE A MORE STRINGENT TEST SO THAT CPD HAS MORE QUALIFIED CANDIDATES TO CHOOSE FROM. YOU DON'T DROP THE TEST IF IT'S TOO EASY. YOU MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A POLICE DEPT THAT HAS A HIGHER CALIBRE OF OFFICERS AS OPPOSED TO ALLOWING JUST ANYONE JOIN THE RANKS OF CHICAGO'S FINEST.
OT
Very simple, if we can't change the location of the march on the 15th, change the message.
Make it a No Confidence march against Weis.
No confidence in Weis.
Demand Weis resign.
Then schedule a march on the Hall the following week when Daly is back in town. Hit him with a double whammy.
in the 70's, yeah I'm too old to pay attention to, when we had a good sector sgt. we all fought to get into his dog. Even more so with the W/C or F/Lts., if they took care of the workers. Yes, dogs existed then too.
it's not new at all. Workers like to bond into a unit of their own, even in districts.
you don't have the man power today to pull this off. Plus we were usually 2 man units with two wagons in the sector.
it's over, thank your mayor
CAPS was a bust from day one a boondoggle we ignored, a hole or hiding place for the timid.
one other thing, when you split partners who work and place them with the dogs to create two working units it won't work you get two down cars
Yep, this was tried bofore I believe it was more in the mid-70's than the early 70's, but that really doesn't matter. I was a big proponent of this idea in my district the last time, but as good as it sounds, it doesn't work. Under As I recall the biggest problem was the relief sector teams and the number of people required to fully man the whole thing. Figure it out, each sector in 007 requires 10 P.O's, or 30 total, and each relief requires 10 P.O's. With the old Day Off Group system 2 relief sectors were required. That made it a scheduling nightmare, primarily because only 5 day off gorups were really usde. I think we made the desk and inside people into a sector also to try and even things out. I don't know how that would work with the new schedule, maybe only 1relief, but that is still 40 P.O's. From what I am hearing on this blog, none of the districts are fully manning sectors now. I don't know what makes anyone believe that they will be able to do so using a new system, without further stripping the other districts. It is a another great idea that does not work.
IDEA! how bout this to keep coppers on the street....aira...only use when an arrest is made, homicides, made by agg batt's.....but all PAPER jobs; keep them as just that PAPER, at least then there will be some coppers still left on the street.....just spit ballin.
OT What is Da Mayo going to China for anyways. Is it on taxpayer dime? He knows the city is burning yet he is fleeing. Maybe he's a little smarter than Julis Ceasar. He is hoping to bring 12 new Chinese reastaurants to China Town. Sounds like a waste of time and taxpayer money to me!!!!!!!
This was tried back in the Mid 70's as a "Pilot Program" & it did not work. At that time you Did have a full complement of men & most cars had 3 steady men working that car so that it always a 2 man car for the 1st & 3rd Watches. The Pilot Program broke up partners & just did not work. That program was the brain child of someone at the Ivroy Tower who did not work the streets & did not klnow what Police work was about, just like the person who is attempting to re-instituted this program.
Gone in 70 days
This concept actually worked very well 35 years ago. It promoted team work and you had a group of people you could count on. There was a relief sector and sergeant who took over the responsibilites of the sector that was day off. They were a seperate team themselves. We also had a minimum of (2) stratigic response cars per sector that raced to all of the inprogress felonies. The response cars would also receive assignments when a sector car was on lunch or on an assignment (no prima donas). In order for this to work you need a full compliment of officers in patrol. We had 13,500 officers and supervisors when this worked well. Today I'm told that patrol can't even man all of the beats. This concept was the brain child of one of the superintendents son's at the time (either Lt. Conlisk or Lt. Spioto I'm not certain). Under any circumstance don't let the down town asshats let you believe that this is a new idea and let them take credit for it. When I was in patrol it worked, and most of us liked the concept. It is a good program that will be doomed to fail because the people in charge haven't a clue as to how to properly implement it.
Everything old is new again!
This “Sector System” was tested in several Districts in the mid 70’s, maybe 1976. I worked it in 010. Each District had FOUR sectors. There were 6 field Sgts, each in different DOGs. (The Desk Sgt was in the remaining 7th DOG.) The six field Sgts picked their teams behind closed doors in the WC’s office. In 010 each sector had four beats. Each team consisted of 10 or more POs, each assigned to a beat, the extra POs were for furlough, medical or time due relief. Four of the teams were assigned to a sector while the other two teams bounced between two sectors to cover the primary teams RDO. Each sector had its own roll call: 10 sector 1500, 20 sector 1530, 30 sector 1600, 40 sector 1630. The Sgt handled roll call, time off, etc. If something came up a Sgt could borrow from another team or from “watch relief.” Watch relief were extra people assigned to traffic car, hospital car, crime car, etc. The Desk crew remained in separate DOGs. The WC had very little to do, the Sgts handled everything. Each team was to remain in their sector except for emergency jobs or lunch. You were never given a routine traffic accident, domestic, burglary out of your sector, the job would wait for a car in the job’s sector. Usually you were not assigned off your beat. We rotated watches back then and the cars remained two man on days.
Actually the POs & Sgts loved it. The team concept and peer pressure made all work together and party together. The Sgts could lead, direct & mentor his team. The WCs hated it; the power to deny time off was taken away from them.
It fell apart because the Department/City would not staff it. Can you imagine having 4 Sgts and 32 or more POs on the street during one shift?
This job is circular. Everything comes back around as a new concept, a few years after people forget it didn't work.
OT please post names of new merit clouted lts that arrive late at the academy tomorrow
in your face i'm here
these dumb retard decision makers at headquarters don't have a clue. yeeesh!
What a surprise! What is old is new again!
The Department did the same beat/sector configuration is mid 1970. I was in the 20th District when it was instituted. I remember that there were four sectors: A, B, C & D with four or five beats per sector. And two relief sectors: E & F with one sergeant and 8 to 10 P.O.s per relief sector. (I think.)
This management/patrol scheme is so old! And the accountability factor was just as prominent and eminent: The commander told the sergeants and P.O.'s "We're gonna hold you accountable for any crime in your sector!!" "Mark our words: You're gonna be flogged at roll call in front of the entire watch if there's any crime in your sector!!" Blah, blah, blah!! Inconsequential warnings and threats!
I remember the officers and sergeants liked it because they were all in the same D.O.G.!! Ya know, it's a bitch when you're workin' that beat car and you're datin' six different people every week (or whatever the day-off configuration is now; I can't keep up with it!). Man, I don't miss that circus, but I sure do miss the clowns!!
Come on you guys with 30+ years: Tasch, Holmes (Rick, you are not forgotten!!) Walsh, Johnson, Fivelson, Vitaioli, Barrett, etc. Add your comments!
Most important rule: Watch/cover each other!! Stay safe!
Why would we allow sgts to pick who works under them in their beat cars? The supervisors are so bad on this department, we're lucky if there is one supervisor on the ENTIRE watch that any of us would want to work for. Now they are proposing the supervisor gets to pick his entire watch that works under him day to day? Then he will be driving his sector to produce to make himself look good? Things just got worse and I didn't think that was possible. 7 and 17- I hope you guys do everything in your power to undermine this program!
We're grasping at straws here. Desperation has reared it's ugly head and the smoke and mirrors game is again center stage at our circus. Trying to pretend we're full strength and give that perception to the public doesn't work as the body count keeps escalating. Meeting with gang leaders and pleading that they behave or else will not work. Shaking hands with old gang leaders and being their buddy will not work, i.e. ERNIE! Putting all the brain trust in one room and coming up with hair brained ideas does not work. Hiring the amount of people that we are budgeted for is a start. Filling all the supervisory spots as budgeted for will help. Keeping all cars staffed while allowing for CU is getting warmer. Taking back the streets - getting hotter now. Being the police! Marco ----.
This will not work.
One reason why it will not work is that it presumes the regular sergeant will be the same guy/gal for a long period of time to develop a team.
Sgts in patrol (for the most part), especially on 1st watch, are very eager to get out of patrol, or off midnights. How many sector sgts of the 75 sectors time 3 watches are the same sgts day in and day out.
Then heaven forbid that 10 or 30, if they are both there, will stay for a full tour without one of them getting an early duck with "time on the end".
Come'on, you policy wonks at 35th, get real.
The brass is in need of a history lesson. We keep on repeating failed programs.
Hey Professors out there this isn't an essay contest it's a fucking blog on the computer, so if i'm not gramatically correct or spell right,
NOW LISTEN CLOSELY GO FUCK YOURSELVES
99.9 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS BLOG DON'T CARE ABOUT GRAMMAR AND SPELLING so please go fuck off okay?
this is the old Task Force / Special Operations idea of the 60' & 70's
It's nice to know that retired coppers are reading and contributing to SCC. Some are even critical which can be good.
What bums me out is the idea that during retirement I will still give a fuck about this job.
No way in hell will this work. We would need at least double the manpower we have now to accomplish this. As it stands, we cannot even man the cars we have now, and this is with the DOG's being balanced across the watch!
What comes next, a new innovative idea of foot patrols and call boxes?
too bad they are so short on sergeants in patrol this will never work. Most of the time in the district I work in I'm the only sergeant on the street. Don't worry I'm sure the merit promoted superintendent's driver will come to A/2 and help out for a few2 periods before he is shuffled back to a specialized unit like the rest of the merit promotees in the past 3 classes.
SCC, Why don't you do a little research and see how many merit promotions since Weis has been superintendent are still in the patrol division. I am willing to bet that over 90% are now in special units or hiding at headquarters. The get a huge pay raise and then go back to where they came. Its so typical on the CPD.
Off Topic, but when are they going to post the WORST PERFORMERS LIST . It's time we called out THE DOGS,
There arent enough Sgts or Po's to be assigned to a specific sector. Most Districts are lucky to have 2 Sgts per watch a night and there are at least 2 cars down per District each night not including several 99 Units.
This is so neat I must repeat: Start the drum loop!
05/2010 11:30:00 AM
AC:DC 007 said...
I ain't goin nowheres
so you haitahs' have a care;
I just got what my brotha demand
which was a gold star command;
I can'ts be indicted til I gets gold braid pensioned,
My brother the IKE he done so mentioned;
so what yall laffin at, ain't a damn thang funny
AC gonna get his money;
Me and the Brown ain't going down - Me and EBrown gonna be aroun,
so if yall from the double o seven would,
get yall asses back to work in da hood! That is Englewood, bitches; peace out.
signed AC,the DC.
(a rapping crapper extraordinaire)
*A goldstar ghetto haiku froms me to you*
9/05/2010 11:30:00 AM
50 cent gots nothin' on you!
That didn't work in the late 70's and it will not work today. That time we had 4 sectors with 4 different roll call times 7:00 , 7:30 , 8:00 , 8:30 . No one liked the late one . That concept sucked then and it will surely suck now . J-Fuck must have been the one that kicked this off. Another useless program .
Another stupid brain fart idea from non-street working Police!
Here is an idea!
Work the damn streets first before you come up with dumb policy and or operational decisions!
Here is a better idea! Hire more coppers you stupid Exempts!
Da Pelon
Involuntary day off change equals time and one half per day
they did that when I was new on the job in the late 1970s
The Sgt and his guys were all in the same day off group and worked the same sector
I see no reason that productivity will improve because of this
"new idea"
hey you want this old sgt to play that tried and failed method for the 3rd time since 1988, go for it, even though its all about forcing sgts to ride herd over their set DOG officers it puts the same heat on the po s, so I gather its more about performance evaluations than any bogus beat integrity, and once again sgts are the only white shirts managing anything and everyone working the streets. Just stop pretending you need more middle and upper management and make more sergeants!
Dumb and Dumber!!! What? Huh? who?
Why doesn't shortshanks look at bringing in McCarthy from Newark? He seems to be doing a great job out east.
9/06/2010 12:58:00 AM
don't be jealous because you are one of the dog asses that the poster mentioned.
Off Topic: A letter someone e-mailed me. Very Good Read
According to the Chicago Sun Times, Superintendent of Police Fancy Pants met with gang leaders on the West Side on August 17th. He did not arrest a single one. He demanded- more like begged- they stop the violence or else they would be arrested under RICO statutes. Kind of like "if you do that again, I'm going to tell my mommy on you". I bet those heartless, hard core, murdering gang leaders were shaking in their boots and urinating in their pants at your macho manly threat. They must now be soooooo afraid of you. Why hasn't Fancy Pants brought one RICO case against any of the gang leaders since he has been Superintendent? Why hasn't he used his alleged vast Federal expertise to go after them before? Why did he meet with them to begin with? To beg? He has done nothing to stop the growth of the gangs during his reign of failure. The only people he has hurt are our police officers, who are afraid to do their jobs because of his draconian retributive policies. Fancy Pants has destroyed what was once a proud police organization. He put the final nail in the coffin. Fancy Pants, get a clue. Real police officers do not meet, parlay, or beg with the leaders of criminal enterprises. Real police officers arrest the leaders of criminal enterprises. They investigate them, indict them, and have them prosecuted. If necessary, they even kill them. Having never been a real police officer, or even a real FBI agent, you would not know that. You spent your whole FBI career using Preparation H as lip gloss to climb up the FBI hierarchy. Yesterday, you added knee pads to your arsenal. Instead of begging criminals to stop killing people, you should have put together a task force of city and federal law enforcement officials and pursued RICO cases against the gangs- three years ago. Now, you go hat in hand and beg them to stop? Did you order them to disband? Did you order them to stop selling drugs, creating mayhem, committing other crimes, or dismantle their criminal enterprises? Did you demand they leave town? No! You made empty juvenile threats. Threats with no teeth. Meaningless threats. They can keep their criminal enterprises going, as long as they do not kill anyone? Nice. Real nice. You begged them to stop killing and threatened them with prosecution? You even gave them job information? Hey, Fancy Pants, guess what? The gang leaders do not need jobs. They are wealthy- tax free wealth. I would have loved to see and hear the roaring laughter of those gang leaders after you left. It is just like the laughter of our police officers when your name is mentioned. Fancy Pants, you are a disgrace to the profession of law enforcement. You have brought shame and discredit to the Chicago Police Department. Your actions are a slap in the face to every Chicago Police Officer who has ever worn the Star; especially those who were killed fighting the same kind of criminals you begged. What you did was deplorable, despicable, detestable, and disgusting. You should be fired. Now. Today. Before you do more harm. Every citizen in this city should call the mayor and their alderman to demand you be tarred, feathered, and run out of our city on a rail. You are not fit to lead a cub scout den, let alone a proud profession.
If Mayor Malaprop agreed with your delusional tactic, he should resign too. Police officers do not meet with or parlay with organized criminals. We do not beg them. We arrest them. You just showed the whole police department and the citizens of this city that you are a lowly, spineless, yellow belly coward. The worst kind of turncoat. You have shamed all of us who fought the good fight for years. You are a stain on our profession.
Posted By Peter V. Bella to Rage Against The Machine at 8/29/2010 05:06:00 AM
boy, what Genius, no wonder they get paid so much to figure stuff like that out.................
this is what happens when a bunch of circle-jerk boys try to do a mans job.
This has been tried before- more than once. It always failed.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Making over $300K and this is the best he can come up with?
I used to say the manager of our local Dollar Store could manage our Department better,now I'm betting the flower guy on 111th & Pulaski could do a better job.
9/06/2010 07:48:00 AM
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I would go through a door with the Flower guy before I would go through with J-Fled.
OT *** FYI At a time when the city is BROKE and drowning in debt,and manower is dangerously low, Jody Weis has been busy with his seemingly unlimited city budget, suing his own Chicago Police Board in Cook County Chancery court whenever they failed to terminate an officer and gave them suspensions instead. This Weis has sued the Police Board at least 12 times since he got here, and is himself getting sued and has been sued by many officers due to their subsequent railroading by the scared police board,(who is now firing everybody like an assembly line because they don't want to answer law suits from Weis). How can the city afford to sue itself in this economy??? He presides over the decimation of the police department by forcing retirements of top brass, railroading officers to the police board, encouraging retirements. Crime goes through the roof and then he cries that he has no manpower and there is nothing he can do about it, as coppers and kids get shot. Again he lied to the department,to the press and the citizens of chicago. This guy needs to exposed even more by the press and a federal class action suit needs to be filed on behalf of the wronged officers. March from HQ to the city hall, this is terrible.
How about hiring at least 500 more police officers.
Stop beating around the bush city hall and 35th st.
The 70's??
Are they bringing back disco, too?
just axin
Yeah, okay. Like I really want to work the 20 sector team with that moron Chuck H. as Sgt. on 3rd watch. Zero personality or people skills. Unless he's dealing with Alder-creature Ray Ray, then he's a big suckoff. Note to Commander of 025, if you get any flack from the Alder-creature about supervisors getting detailed to fill in in other districts you can blame Chuckles the clown for running and crying to him like a little bitch.
There will be two sectors per district. Early sgt and late sgt on the street. There will be a reduction in total number of beats citywide, with additional field units in busier districts.
OT - The FOP update still has the march at 35th and the message has been updated with a flyer. Don't those guys get it? Or are they just that proud and can't admit a mistake?
Um, how about the fact that it's nearly impossible to keep a beat car on its' beat let alone the rest of the cars in their respective sectors. Without the manpower available to provide needed coverage, this idea will fail. Can I get an event number for all the clueless,inexperienced and incompetent personnel who believe they thought this through enough to sign off on it?
Also bring back the Crime Triangle: victim, location, offender and Verbal Judo...........
Here is my concept of improved policing: I retire and don't worry about it any more. Sounds great to me.
What people are missin is that along with the way they did it back in the day, now because Brust is tied up in it, they will be holding Sgt's
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wait for it
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accountable. Write up that Sgt in 007 for too many shootings in his sector!
going back to 70's
no more merit
all exempts must pass a promotional test
hey let's go back to 79
bring back Jane Byrne for Mayor
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As soon as UPS delivers my flux capacitor...1979 here we come!!!
That idea is old stuff! We did that in 020 back in the mid 70's!
i hear they're trying everything just to see what will work and the name of this new pilot program "CPD throwback" they're even gonna see if they can get th2018 democratic convention and kick ass again, hahahahahahahahah, some idiotis going to get a gold star for thinking of this again and again and again
is that the new won goldstein program
OT--
Disgusting hit-and-run savagery on South Side caught on video
Search on for driver who ran over mother, children
Updated at 06:43 PM today
September 6, 2010 (CHICAGO) (WLS) -- Suspects ran away from a stolen car after it ran down a woman and three children. The terrifying accident was caught on a surveillance camera, and the mother of two of the injured children is now calling on the driver to surrender to police.
One of the children, an 11-year-old girl, is in critical condition.
The hit-and-run accident took place in the 6200-block of South St. Lawrence Saturday afternoon.
Police say the most important elements of the surveillance video are pictures of the two suspects seen running from the car. Authorities say they need help in identifying those two suspects.
Mother Darlene Williams now has a broken knee and a broken nose from landing on the pavement after being hit by the car. Her son, daughter, and a friend were just leaving a store, almost across 63rd Street, when a 1999 Chrysler 300 hit them, dragging them several feet before the car crashed into a parked car and then a building.
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=7653136
Mauer wanted this done like a platoon sergeant.
Boy, am I glad I retired....
"Come'on, you policy wonks at 35th, get real.
9/06/2010 12:07:00 PM"
they can't get real; it's not part of their pay grade.
"7 and 17- I hope you guys do everything in your power to undermine this program!
9/06/2010 11:33:00 AM"
it will underman itself.
"Off Topic, but when are they going to post the WORST PERFORMERS LIST . It's time we called out THE DOGS,
9/06/2010 01:21:00 PM"
define 'WORST PERFORMERS'.
"What bums me out is the idea that during retirement I will still give a fuck about this job.
9/06/2010 12:49:00 PM"
stock up on jack, lots and lots of jack.
and don't be stingy with it's judicious application.
cheers.
(OT) SCC this should be a front page item! The airlines don't want it but daley and his cronies want to borrow another 1 BILLION for O'Hare,as police pension funds are being depleted by the daley crime machine,and we have what 4,000 coppers short!
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/09/chicago-hopes-to-borrow-another-1b-for-ohare-expansion.html
The more things change...the more they stay the same.
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There were 4 "sectors", that being the 10, 20, 30 and relief sectors. As each sector was RDO, the relief sector covered for that day. The concept is similar to the tactical team day off groups, but with geographical boundaries.
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9/06/2010 08:53:00 AM
You forgot something. Until the early 1980's, just previous to our first contract, each police district had a 10, 20, 30, AND 40 sector showing on the beat map. Each district was essentially divided into fourths.
Additionally, the relief sector, the three sector response cars for each sector and the squadrol for each sector were all listed on the map.
So, counting the relief sector as you did, we actually had 5 sectors in each district. There were 4 sectors and a relief sector. Plus there were three rapid response cars and a squadrol in each sector.
A wave of the magic wand erased the 40 sector in each district and the maps were reprinted to show each district divided into thirds. The remaining three sectors and their beats were all expanded to absorb the erased 40 sector. Shaazam! No more workforce shortage! No more squad car shortage!
The money saved by erasing the need for workers and equipment in a fourth sector in each district was part of the reason we were able to receive a decent inaugural contract.
CPD-looks like the 70's are back
9/06/2010 09:36:00 AM
But the coppers are very different.
Another moronic idea! The only solution Rich is to hire the coppers needed! Ever notice how Barry obama gives no money to richie! Like 10 states received 500 Million for schools,but Illinois got none! Even thought Arne "Duncan donuts" is from here and Barry is also no money! Look how rich took away the Presidents security at his home,it seems Barry obama wants nothing to do with daley,and the only reason barry keeps pat Fitz locked up is because daley knows some obama "secrets" that he will reveal if he is indicted!
"OT - The FOP update still has the march at 35th and the message has been updated with a flyer. Don't those guys get it? Or are they just that proud and can't admit a mistake?
9/06/2010 07:42:00 PM"
to them, it's not a mistake; it's post retirement job security.
When are they sending 80 p.o.'s to the airport? Also when is the date we can bid for the spot?
OT - The FOP update still has the march at 35th and the message has been updated with a flyer
Any real copper that shows is a sellout to the Blue. Let FLOP leaders stand alone
"yeah they tried that in 1993, it was called CAPS."
You mean CAPS isn't working?
(sorry. ROTFLMAO)
"The commander is on board 100% because he too knows nothing about working and supervising the street or running a watch."
And because he, too knows nothing about policing.
Anonymous said...
Why doesn't shortshanks look at bringing in McCarthy from Newark? He seems to be doing a great job out east.
9/06/2010 04:31:00 PM
Rule #1 as Mayor of Chicago: Never ever hire someone that will outshine yourself as it will create a possible rival in future elections.
"Failed miserably, will fail again."
To all you nay-sayers:
It's gonna be different this time! It's gonna work!
(and now back to ROTFLMAO)
I would go through a door with the Flower guy before I would go through with J-Fled.
9/06/2010 05:40:00 PM
I'm with ya
When you want a new idea look at the past. This concept was done in the 70's and it sounds great but due to man power, transfers, and other reason never really worked. It takes MANPOWER to make this work, and we do not have the MAMPOWER needed.
Anonymous said...
Off Topic, but when are they going to post the WORST PERFORMERS LIST . It's time we called out THE DOGS,
9/06/2010 01:21:00 PM
I'd rather be on the "Worst Performers" list than on the "Goofs We Fooled Into Believing Our Nonesense" list, which has your name on it.
There arent enough Sgts or Po's to be assigned to a specific sector. Most Districts are lucky to have 2 Sgts per watch a night and there are at least 2 cars down per District each night not including several 99 Units.
9/06/2010 01:27:00 PM
Entertainment Detail is at fool staff.
There is nothing new under the sun (Shakespeare)
OT - The FOP update still has the march at 35th and the message has been updated with a flyer
Any real copper that shows is a sellout to the Blue. Let FLOP leaders stand alone
9/07/2010 12:21:00 AM
I'll bet you go to the St. Jude March, Mr. Rebel. That's different because the bosses say so.
You people are all wrong about this idea. It will be a great success. All the evaluations will say so. And the person that came up with the idea will be declared brilliant and will get his/her gold star.
On that basis, it will be a success.
On the street level, will, that may be a little different. But you can't have everything...
The only way you'd go through a door with JFed would be if you were swinging him to get the door down. Then he'd be JSledge.
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