Where to March?
We've noticed a definite resistance to the upcoming march being held at HQ in 15 September. People are making legitimate complaints that we'll be out of sight, that the media will ignore the march, and that Shortshanks will be out of town. We offer this quick survey:
This is, of course, an unscientific poll, but it's something the FOP should have done themselves. There are plenty of reasons for holding the march at HQ - our contract is settled and our fight is against the policies of J-Fled. But there are even more reasons for holding it at City Hall - coverage, exposure, pressure in an election year.
If the FOP fails to address the concerns of the members (and they are legitimate concerns), there is another election coming up this spring. The current board was swept in by the collective outrage of the membership against Bill Nolan. They lost a number of trustee seats during the previous election.
It wouldn't surprise us in the least to see another complete sweep on the horizon.
UPDATE: The numbers are currently running 88% in favor of marching at City Hall with almost 2,000 votes. While unscientific, it is skewed enough that FOP really ought to come forward and explain the reasoning behind picking HQ over City Hall. We're willing to listen to reason.
This is, of course, an unscientific poll, but it's something the FOP should have done themselves. There are plenty of reasons for holding the march at HQ - our contract is settled and our fight is against the policies of J-Fled. But there are even more reasons for holding it at City Hall - coverage, exposure, pressure in an election year.
If the FOP fails to address the concerns of the members (and they are legitimate concerns), there is another election coming up this spring. The current board was swept in by the collective outrage of the membership against Bill Nolan. They lost a number of trustee seats during the previous election.
It wouldn't surprise us in the least to see another complete sweep on the horizon.
UPDATE: The numbers are currently running 88% in favor of marching at City Hall with almost 2,000 votes. While unscientific, it is skewed enough that FOP really ought to come forward and explain the reasoning behind picking HQ over City Hall. We're willing to listen to reason.
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posted by SCC at 12:09 AM
145 Comments:
Will they address the matter of why there are promotions when there are less Officers on the street? How can you cry budget cuts & keep making more whiteshirts. WAKE UP FOOLS!!
If it's a march against officer safety, then city hall is the place to march. Shanks is responsible for the lack of hiring. The ass-clown at 35th is just a performer under the big top. The big top is at city hall where the grand marshall is the main performer.
OFF TOPIC??
I emailed a version this letter to FOP President Mark Donahue just a few days ago. have yet to receive any response... If you feel as I do Please take a moment and let the FOP or the blog know it...
FOP "Reads" the Blog Too!
RE: “Manpower Shortage” Who's to Blame:
The “Protest March” that is sched. at HQ on 15 Sept. at 1000 hrs. Needs a Change of Venue!
The Best location for such a march is "City Hall", right in the Mayors “Front Yard”. To my knowledge you cannot even walk around all 4 sides of HQ. I'm sure the Mayor would prefer us hold a march at Police HQ...any place other than the "Loop" where you find the local media parked half way around City Hall at any given time. It also allows the Mayor to "Side Step" the issue by making ref. that we are marching against the Supt. and not the mayors office.
Normal foot traffic around City Hall would be interrupted, gaining the attention of passers by. Literally thousands of on-lookers would witness the display where as the vast majority of on-lookers at 3510 S. Michigan will be the “Top Brass” and police officers showing up for work who may or may not be there on a "phone call" to begin with... I could envision many of the "Top Brass" being instructed to take digital photographs from their private offices showing as many "faces in the crowd" as possible...
Truth of the matter is that the Superintendent has nothing to say about how many officers are hired. The Reality is that "Personnel" for the City of Chicago directed by the Mayor and possibly the City Council thru budget constraints are where the problem lies.
The Mayor has money for those projects that he deems necessary; whether it be "Concrete Flower Beds that are being constructed "as we speak" up and down Lincoln Ave in the 020th Dist. or ripping out "Perfectly Good" residential street corners all because of Federal tax dollars are being filtered and wasted indirectly thru the Mayors Office.
It is however obvious that the safety of the citizens of Chicago are not one of those priorities.
Long Story Short... When you go on Vacation...you go somewhere Memorable, if they choose this location, I'll just stay home!
His Eminence of the Olympics is going to be out of town. We want him in town so the media can question him about the march so he can ignore their questions and keep denying the facts. Fop doesn't get it. J Fed is also ignorant of the facts that surround him so forget 35th st.
His Eminence of the Olympics is going to be out of town. We want him in town so the media can question him about the march so he can ignore their questions and keep denying the facts. Fop doesn't get it. J Fed is also ignorant of the facts that surround him so forget 35th st.
I feel that there should 3 simultaneous marches should be conducted. 35th Street, City Hall, & the mayor's house, we'd have enough boris to do each id the turn out was anything like the earlier march.
I'll repeat my offer and donate the following:
Reams of Paper: $12.50
Pack of pens: $3.00
Ink used printing 2500 voter registration applications from http://www.chicagoelections.com/dm/
general/document_455.pdf: $15.00
Watching daley shit when 2,500 pissed off coppers and their friends and relatives march these newly printed applications from 3510 S. Michigan to the Board of Elections for filing at 69 W. Washington and proceeding to then march around City Hall:
fucking priceless!!!!!
CITY HALL ALL THE WAY
Reprint: A protest march around 35th St. is like putting up a billboard in a forest. The march's goal should be to cause Shortshanks as much embarrassment and bad publicity as possible. Daley will be in Michigan exercising his pocket puppet while the police protest in front of...the police. Daley is doing to Chicago what Obummer the POTUS/POS is doing to the country, ruining it. These two wankers are joined at the hip. David Axelgrease is The Shanksters political adviser & he is also Obummer's political advisor. Maybe this POS can help run state government and complete the hat trick. And while I'm at it: Fuck You, Dick Durbin, the turban
It wouldn't surprise us in the least to see another complete sweep on the horizon.
One can only hope...
The boys at the lodge are done.
I really don't care where we March as long as we March together. If FOP made deals to March at headquarters then I say we March at city hall and do a complete revamp from the top to the bottom. FOP you make deals with the devil you will get burn....
why not march at both at the same time?
Vote early, vote often!
It is also VERY important to include the Fire Fighters, Teachers, Streets and San and everyone else possible.
Get the NATIONAL MEDIA on this I want Dianne Sawyer talking about this.
Have reporters in CHINA ask Shorty questions when he is there and how the corruption ties in with Obama.
Get LENO and LETTERMAN to make JOKES Shorty J-Fled and how this ties in with Blago and Obama.
With a hugh crowd of all those city workers, plus their families this would be a great opportunity for MAUER or WAPUCEK to announce they are running for MAYOR.
Stay Safe, City Hall is the ONLY place to make this march.
Just another tid-bit to ponder:
Daley doesn’t like us. He sees us as a necessary evil in his City. Face it, we COST money! Lawsuits, lawsuits and more lawsuits…
Daley is not a stupid man. Not by a long shot. Treacherous and spiteful, yes, but not stupid! We march at City Hall; this causes undue embarrassment for Little Lord Shortshanks. Do you think he won’t get even somehow? As much as Weis is despised around here (rightfully so), how would you like his contract renewed for another year or two? The numbers are already fudged, crime ON PAPER is “down”. Who says it can’t or won’t happen? Remember, Little Lord Shortshanks loves money and power; he also loves not to be publicly embarrassed by his hired help. I’m not sayin, I’m just sayin…
Hell, look at what happened the last time we marched at City Hall… the 16% was taken off the table. Granted, we knew we weren’t going to even come close to a 16% raise, but it was a way that Daley said “Fuck me? Naaaa, fuck YOU!”
Either way, I’m going to be there. At this point; in for a penny, in for a pound.
I think it would be wise for the marchers to carefully target their message.
One thing the media did after the last march was to cherry-pick isolated examples of 'whining' - totally unrelated to the core issues that inspired the march to begin with- and show only those.
I believe the message of this march should be a demonstration of no confidence in Jody Weis. If there is a cogent, universal message in play, it's very hard to manipulate it after the fact.
This needs careful planning and lot and lots of bodies who show up.
There's a story about an author who wrote a famous book, inspired by watching a small boy whipping a horse pulling a cart. He reflected on how this insignificant boy was able to command such a large and powerful animal. The answer, obviously, was because the horse didn't understand that it had the power to destroy the boy, if it so pleased. It had been tricked into believing that the boy was more powerful than he really was.
It's time to let go of fear and let our voices be heard. We are many, they are few.
If FOP doesn't march at city hall I will be there anyways with another 1,000 who feel it does no good to up stage the Supe. Everyone knows he is a goof! I think another march should be planned when Da Mayo gets back. Why should he catch a break. This city is going to be in the dump for years because of him!!!!
If he hasn't done so already, Mike Shields needs to make his intentions known and assemble his ticket to oust this current piss-poor regime.
This kid obviously has the smarts, motivation and hopefully the right people in his corner to take the reigns and provide the membership with the representation it truly deserves. Mike has proven his abilities thus far...we need to get behind him and make this thing a reality.
It's quite obvious that Donahue is a bustout with his own post-FOP agenda the only important thing on his mind. Donahue has shown his true colors, and this attempt to keep our rally on the down-low only solidifies what many have been saying for quite some time...Mark Donahue is in bed with the Daley administration.
Are you listening, Mike? Get this thing started...but be sure to stay vigiliant on our pension issues, too.
two words: PUBLIC EXPOSURE. The people by 35th St don't care. You have thousands who do their business downtown by city hall who will see us. Tourists and locals alike. The ball is rolling on national news about the problems in Chicago. We should keep that ball rolling. Its not about daley seeing us. Its about the rest of the world,which I am SURE is the reason the FLOP agreed to do it at 35th. Trust me, jfled and the house mice do not give a shit either.
I hate to say it but this reminds me of the St. Jude March relocation. We could at one time be proud of who we are and what we stand for but that didn't please these pimps and they hid us in the corner wearing Dunce caps.
Making us march down McFetridge and past the useless reviewing stand, I vowed that I would NEVER go to another St. Jude Parade.
SCC uses the term insignificant. They moved us, not out of the public eye but into insignificance
And now they want to snicker and chuckle as we march around Police HQ with NO ONE seeing it. Even though the news crews will all be there, it'll be nothing more than a blurb that you might miss if you turned you head for 2 seconds. We need to start a fire in the bellies of the WORKING people, the middle class that will come out in the fall and steamroll these puds outta town.
Marching will have an ENORMOUS effect if we march around City Hall. When the hardcore members of the collective political autocracy that we call City Govenrment find that we have the stones to march around the Hall, they might come to think that there IS life after King Richard II and vote him out. So much corruption, so much mismanagement, so much out-and-out waste. He really needs to go.
I would even support an idea to START OFF at Police HQ and then march all the way down to the Hall. Walking from one place to the other might have a snowball effect and we might pick up random supporters, all of flexing our votes.
Don't let them placate us by "letting" us march around CPDHQ. Everyone needs to see the big picture and a 3 or 4 thousand marchers walking down State St will open a lot of eyes. DALEY NEEDS TO GO. Then he can take Weis with him and all the rest of the Posers (especially Masters Masters Masters) on their way out.
We might only get one shot at this. Let's make sure that we do this thing right!
Change the date so that Shortshanks can see and hear it too. That last one was fun all around. Let's do it again.
Also, the focus should not only be on the manpower shortage, but our lack of confidence in J-Pud and city hall.
Something smells fishy about this whole thing.
Plus, have it when Daley is in town, either before or after.
The FOP is in bed with someone here!!!!
Why the 15th when Daley is out of town? Plus, 35th St. is just stupid. If it's about manpower, that concern is best brought to the hall. CPD has no authority to hire.
This really stinks!
March from 35th to City Hall, that will cover both locations.
I like how the FLOP has conveinently shceduled this joke of a march for BEFORE the next FOP meeting. This way they can expect to take a little bit of heat for their fuckup as opposed to having to take suggestions and criticism from the membership when they try to justify that they're "sleeping with the enemy"...DALEY.
I'll be at the next FOP meeting, and I fully expect Mike Shields to bring this to Marky Mark's attention. He's one on the few coppers out there that actually has our well-being in mind and isn't afraid to put his money where his mouth is when it comes for change that actually benefits the lifeblood of the CPD.
Looking forward to your comments, Mike. Hopefully another comment from you will be your declaration that you're running for FOP president!
Why can't the march be postponed until Daley is back from China (whateverthehell he's doing there)? And then have it at City Hall where it will matter. Nothing is set in stone - except the Great Wall.
If FLOP doesn't go for City Hall, postpone it to next City Council meeting day. FLOP can't give a reason for 3510 Michigan. Something stinks. If FLOP doesn't come on board, have a WILDCAT demonstration organized by Mike Shields, John Northen, Jim Maurer, Lt. Andrews and other guys.
When you're dealing with the CLOUT beast, you don't shoot it in the buttocks (CPD HQ/WEIS), you go for the heart (CITY HALL/DALEY). Also no public transportation problems because all CTA leads to the Loop with thousands of passers by, many influential citizens.
At HQ, all you have is the bottle gang standing in Church's Chicken parking lot and a bunch of clout baby suckholes staring out the windows with cameras running. Unlike City Hall's four sides (LaSalle, Clark, Washington and Randolph) to march in a circle, CPD HQ only has frontage on Michigan Ave. if front of HQ.
When is the next City Council meeting?
What was FLOP thinking? They can't defend their stupidity. Why 3510 unless something sinister is afoot?
If necessary, WILDCAT RALLY at CITY HALL.
This is, of course, an unscientific poll, but it's something the FOP should have done themselves
Yea right, If mayor mumbles stopped dead in his tracks donahue would be wearing him like a hat!
Screw fop and the hell with that stupid march. We should only march because of dissatisfaction with FOP!
I'm not a cop. But I am a strong supporter of you. The march should be at City Hall as most of you say but it should not include teachers. Most of us are pretty upset with teachers but are really upset with the uncontrolled violence that has overtaken the City. People will support a march against violence that is caused by lack of support for our police department. We need more cops and they need to be given the tools they need to fight the gangs. Can't think of anyone in Chicago who wouldn't support that kind of a march.
Someone should make copies of the 24 hour report and hand it out to the citizens so they can see for themselves the crime that goes on in this city.
Check out the NYPD rally at City Hall on September 16th, 1992 with over 10,000 angry cops. They even closed down the Brooklyn Bridge. Then Mayor David Dinkens called it "a police riot".
We can't condone seizing our Michigan Ave. Bridge but the demonstration must be at City Hall.
FOP must have a hidden agenda by pushing HQ rather than City Hall.
Get guys from CFD, Streets and San, CPS school teachers, other city employees and good citizens involved at CITY HALL.
DALEY is the target. WEIS is just DALEY's puppet. Why is FOP pulling their punches? Go for the jugular: CITY HALL!
AGAIN...The march should start at 35th street and end at City Hall.
This is maximum effect. Now for those of you who would stay home GFY. ...and for those of you who say that J-Fled has nothing to do with manower,GFY.
Fled presided over the entire decimation of the CPD. He assured "hiz shortness" that could come in here and fire whomever,encourage retirements, force retirements restructure all the exempts, piss off the entire department (fun) and lie to the citizens with bullshit stats because everyone loves and fears the FBI. AND do so without compromising public safety!!!!
He has failed miserably and the experiment has backfired. MARCH FOR THE GOOD OF HUMANITY.
Do you really think anyone in this current FOP have a chance?
If FOP plans to march at 35th Michigan does not tell you they are in bed with Daley, nothing will.
CITY HALL WITH SHORTSHANKS IN TOWN.
Waste of time at Police HQ.
Every guy on my watch in 007 agrees.
CITY HALL.
Vote out shortshanks FOP buddies.
CITY HALL WITH DALEY AT NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
City Hall! FOP lead, follow or get out of our way.
Fuck FOP traitors. We need to march on City Hall on our own.
How is manpower a 35th st issue. This is not a Jody Weis issue, rather a Richard M. $$$$$ issue. He's wasted so much tax payer money during the good economy, making sure his cronies were looked out for. Now there's not enough money to pay for essential services. That's not good governance
All city workers unite at City Hall. The public must know the truth about Daley.
This is all very helpful. Argue amongst yourselves about location and date, and of course, start off with a diluted message (merit, we hate our boss, and besides there are manpower and safety issues). And then publish remarks about how the leaders YOU elected to your union are ineffectual, and working against you. And don't forget that it's hard to park at 35th. Someone should start whining about that. A march between CPD and IPRA up and down 35th Street shows exactly where the police problems are. If the city of Chicago employees want to march on City Hall let the AFLCIO organize that. Dont we do enough watching the retiree healthcare costs for all city retirees?
Mike Shields would do a very good job, if not a great job of running the FOP. I know he would not lay down for the 5th floor and he would always put the officer first. I also know there are officers that will support him Mike in his run for the FOP. Mike does not judges people based on any rumor or common police chatter, he takes the time to get to know them and stands by them. My fellow officers please take the time to listen to what Mike has to say and please when the time is right VOTE for Mike Shields.
Respectfully an old friend Bill
I agree and say... CITY HALL OR BUST!
I hope that the results of the poll are passed on to FOP to reflect the 'cops choice' and a timely notice of change of location is made to all.
Yes, 35th St was an 'option' to send a message to J-Fled but we want our concerns to be seen by as many people as possible... City Hall is the place for that.
Who cares if shortshanks is there or not, it really doesn't make a difference... WE MAKE THE DIFFERENCE.
WE have to look out for one another and send the message (again and again) that we're shorthanded and it's OUR safety at risk and OUR family at concern.
Let's hope that City Hall hears that concern too on the 15th.
Be there or be square. o'v (r)
The only observation I see here is a DIVIDE is being created. Like it or not the FOP made a decision, all of our infighting is going to show the city that we cannot stand by each other.
If we march on the Hall or HQ is not the point right now. The important thing is to get THOUSANDS out there and get this on the National News.
HQ embarrasses J-Feb
The Hall embarrasses the Mayor
If we have an issue with FOP take it up at the meetings or the next election, not on a stage that can be used against us.
First step get J-Fed out and save OUR Department, then vote the Mayor out.
SHOW-UP, be united be strong!!!
I/F
The march should start at 35th Street, march down State Street past the 1st District and then around City Hall.
Then to attract additional coverage request political candidates of all parties to join us in support. This should include those who intend on running next February.
Remember all power starts at the ballot box!
I'm a citizen (and daily SCC reader) and work downtown. If it is held at City Hall, I will once again come out to support you and to protest Shortshanks, like I did last time. And I agree that it would be better if it was scheduled while Shanks was in town.
You D1 district mopes just don't get it.
Play the game and follow our lead. Even if we can't explain the why, just do what we say. Economy be damned, we'd still be holding out for that 24% raise over three years if it wasn't for The City Hall chumps trumping our professional negotiating team. Our jobs at the FLOP haul would be much easier and lucrative if we weren't being second guessed -- by the lowly membership no less.
See you at the next FLOP picnic!
9/05/2010 12:20:00 AM
They all have have email but are "scared" to respond! narky mark and the fucked up bunch are all connected and like mark many will get 6 figure jobs after they retire from flop! Greg bella thinks that because he put mike shields under the blankets so he will not run with a new slate,that Greg will "glide in"! Now with this bullshit march at 35th street what asshole thought this dumb shit up? could it be from the same assholes that put the St Jude march almost in the lake so no one can see us? This march no I will not be there, unless it is at the hall it is a waste of time!!
9/05/2010 03:23:00 AM
Mike Shields good kid, but will not run as Bella said so! What could he give Mike not to run and sweep out all the old we need new blood top to bottom at FOP!
If the illegals can march where ever and when ever they want, why not the police?
O.T. It sounds like J-Fled is tap dancing around the questions on "At Issue".
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/garrard-mcclendon-live/2010/09/an-interview-with-supt-jody-weis.html
Listen to the bumbling idiot twist and turn his responses. This guy has no clue and has become just another political hack. Or has he always been?
Fucking Michigan Avenue
I totally agree with 12:41 AM...
Priceless!!
I don't care who the superintendent is. I don't care if this city has 10000 cops or 400. I don't care if the west and south sides go up in flames.
I'll pick up my check as long as I'm willing to put up with the shit it requires. I'll do the job I'm asked to do until I no longer care to.
If you do this march you will be ridiculed my the media who will gladly point out that unemployment in Illinois is the highest in the country. If you don't care what the media says, then why the hell are you marching around in a circle.
I don't care who the superintendent is. I don't care if this city has 10000 cops or 400. I don't care if the west and south sides go up in flames.
I'll pick up my check as long as I'm willing to put up with the shit it requires. I'll do the job I'm asked to do until I no longer care to.
If you do this march you will be ridiculed my the media who will gladly point out that unemployment in Illinois is the highest in the country. If you don't care what the media says, then why the hell are you marching around in a circle.
Why all the discussion? Why not just meet at City Hall--forget HQ. I agree, that, just like St. Jude, the exposure will be mimimum at best. If everyone who reads the blog decides to meet downtown the only ones left marching at 35th will be the FOP! Remember the first march was organized on this insignificant blog in the beginning. And,as usual, FOP jumped on board after the fact.
If you want the law-abiding general public on your side, march at City Hall. Because everybody knows that place is a pirate ship. But be sure all your messages reflect this. Make it clear you are not just one more bunch of protected, connected lazy-asses trying to hold up the taxpayers for more goodies, but that you are on our side against waste and corruption. Just don't be too inside-baseball about it. There's a lot of stuff on this blog that we civilians can't translate, and that's OK, but your public message should be clear and accessible to the average productive Joe and Jane looking for more reasons to throw the bums out.
I would even support an idea to START OFF at Police HQ and then march all the way down to the Hall.
That's a good idea, but there are other ways to handle this.
From a PR perspective, you need
1. sympathy from the public
2. positive media attention
3. a large spectacle-or two or three
The police officer march is a great idea but Daley won't make changes (ie. hire more POs, dump Wies) unless the public, (esp the upper middle class Chicago public OR large enough groups of general public), screams for it.
An alternative idea: Organize a group of citizens to march on city hall while the POs march on Headquarters: Spouses of POs, teachers, firefighters at City Hall. They are more sympathetic (in general publics eyes) and if this group marches on City Hall it shows the support behind you and the "public outrage" while FOP marches on 35th.
Have the "citizen" group carry signs like : "Take Back Our Streets-Hire 2000 More Police officers NOW"
"Make Our City Safe Again–
Replace Jody Weis!"
Start a campaign with specific attainable goals: hiring 2000 new POs or replacing Weis with someone that's actually been on the streets as a PO or whatever your main goals are.
The public WILL support you (I do and I am a public) if you can make your message clear, simple and strong. The general public is confused about the situation. Most citizens I know don't read SSC or get what is going on. (They see your average PO and Weis as one and the same-so in their eyes, Weis didn't meet with gang leaders-the CPD did.) But Jane and Joe Public would get behind you if they really understood the situation.
Package your message, spin it in a way influential public citizens will respond and then blast media sources repeatedly to get the message thru. Don't rely on mainstream media alone-take your message to the public-Twitter, Facebook, etc. Use the same people and media that Obama used. (Create a few fan pages with your messages: "Hire 2000 New Chicago Police Officers in 2010" or "Replace Jody Weis" fan page)
Your message has to be simple and clear or the media will butcher it. If you have specific definable actions/demands that make sense, people will respond. Presenting a mostly united front would also go a long way to getting support.
Example Message: CPD needs 2000 more POs NOW to stop the shootings and violence.
Simple explanation: CPD is short 2000 POs so criminals are running wild.
Obviously this won't solve all the problems and it over simplifies things, but that is a message people can understand and get behind.
Thanks for all you do and hang in there,
A concerned citizen
FOP will need a permit for a downtown protest. Let's ensure our members remind FOP of this requirement. I will call, but others must step up too. Sadly, I know FOP will make an excuse that they didn't get a permit, so the march must go on at 35th Street.
Downtown is the only viable option for the march. We must demand FOP changes the location and date. Call our FOP Board.
The City will accomodate all sorts of groups for parades and protests, they need to start accomodating the men and women of CPDD.
"If I...saw that I was the cause of (poor) morale in this department, no one would have to ask me to leave. I would leave on my own." - J-FLED
J-FLED IS A SHAMELESS LIAR. TAKE IT TO DALEY AND CITY HALL.
Torches and pitchforks optional.
A march at City Hall, is a march against the FLOP...
City Hall it is!
The ordinary tax-paying fed-up citizens are seeing starting to see how the lack of manpower on our department, the corruption and the wasteful spending is affecting them.
They need this at city hall with all the players and a candidate who can make a difference.
It would be the perfect backdrop for someone who would announce running for mayor. How could any shill that Shorty would put up beat that.
The boys at the lodge are done.
9/05/2010 12:58:00 AM
Don't be so sure. There are coppers out there who never return their ballots when it comes time to vote. It couldn't be made much easier for them, but they still don't mail them back. So you can't plan on the present team being out until the votes are in.
Please, blue shirts, when those ballots come, don't ignore them. Open the envelope, vote, and return the ballot in the envelope provided. (Make sure you follow any instructions that are included EXACTLY as they are printed.] There is power in numbers. If we all vote (instead of the paltry 50% of membership that they usually get), our disgust will be clear.
If the purpose of the march, is to protest the lack of manpower and number of police on the streets then it should be at City Hall because that is who is responsible for hiring, opening and authorizing police officer positions - not HQ/CPD. However I am torn because the lack of manpower is the Supt's fault for not fighting hard enough to get the numbers up or having an incompetent cabinet that didn't give him the information that his personnel resources were below safe levels.
Why the 15th when Daley is out of town? Plus, 35th St. is just stupid. If it's about manpower, that concern is best brought to the hall. CPD has no authority to hire.
This really stinks!
9/05/2010 05:59:00 AM
The 15th is because Marky Mark and his minions did one of the following: (a) cut a deal with Shortshanks that YOU WILL march on the 15th when Shortshanks is out of town and IT WILL BE at 35th Street and not downtown or (b) was told by Shortshanks that YOU WILL march on the 15th when Shortshanks is out of town and IT WILL BE at 35th Street and not downtown or (c) decided on their own that it would be safest to have a march at 35th Street on the 15th when Shortshanks was out of town so as not to upset Shortshanks.
My guess is that it's some of each.
How many koolaid drinkers are showing uq cooter needs to know
Make a day of it and march from the Chicago police HQ to City Hall. Shut down any major streets and/or expressways that cross your path. And finally, don't tell anyone, just do it without warning. You are the Chicago PD.
Now THAT will generate all the coverage you ever wanted and then some.
Hope FLOP looked at the statute, you can't have a march in a residential area. There are houses right across the street from 35th, I hope they looked into this, if not they are opening up a lot of problems for their members.
Someone mentioned marching in front of DAley's house, obvioulsy a no-no, but you can have a silent protest, no signs, no chants, only walking up and down the block. We have done this before and the gold stars they send out never ordered us to move. We just had to be cognizant of the everyday citizen that may walk by, and never block their path, so of course we walked in single file, and at night.
Wow! SCC the polls are way ahead at city hall! How could the idiot "board of directors" vote 35th street! Flop should of contacted SCC for advice, i know mark is getting a big lobbyist job when he is done stealing that huge paycheck from us,but this is ridiculous! This is the same flop that voted instead of the city paying their salaries instead have the membership pay the inflated salaries of all the top flop guys! Great going mark and the other 4! Is anyone putting a slate together to run for these easy spots! I know mike Shields has been told not to run,as it would embarrass Bella and the crew of do nothings!
Is it me or are we being duped by City Hall? Weis is gone soon so why are we protesting against him? The real enemy is Daley and his utter disdain for us. F.O.P. then let's him dictate the terms of OUR protest? This is insane and will be spun by Daleys reelection campaign.
Hang the stuttering prick and jfled in effigy outside city hall.
City Hall, City Hall,......too bad 9/11 falls on Saturday, that would have been a memorable march on City Hall.
Nice try FOP, march around HQ when the mayor is out of town!
What a fucking waste of time!
I have a message for you....Pack your bags!
Let's protest the Mayor AND FOP by protesting at City Hall!
With 20 yrs. on,working patrol on mids, I'm just sick of it all. I really am.
I'll be at the march wherever it is.
Be safe all
The march should take place at city hall when the mayor is in Chicago, not when he's in China. FOP must reschedule this march and change the venue.
Outside of providing legal council and settling a grievance(s) , what else does the FOP provide?
Don't say bargain your contract, because they really don't do a good job of that. Thanks.
I HOPE THEY DONT HAVE THOSE BORING ASS SIGNS MADE UP!
DONAHUE SHOULD BE SWINGING FOR THE FENCES.
I BELIEVE THE LOCATION WILL BE CHANGED. I CANT FIND 1 PERSON WHO WANTS TO GO TO HQ.
I think the abandoned Brach's Candy factory would be a good compromise location. Then we could kick off a letter writing campaign to the Chicago Daily News.
attention boys and girls in blue
long before FOP there was a Police Organization called COP
what they requested wad the Real Police responded
write every moving violation that you see , every minor parking violation , back then there were no IBonds every failure to carry , no Dl or driving on a ticket went to lock up and court the next morning . Aldercreatures , Mayor and superintendent couldn't do anything about it . Use the tools to bring city and cloutorious commanders and captains to their knees . Believe me it worked.
ask your Dad''s or Uncles that were on the job in 1970 .city loves when you nothing , no community unrest . forget the marches on your own time hammer the people while you're working.
in the late 60's early 70's the police stuck together , probably won't work now with people that are only on the job for the money
Wake Up!!!
FOP is so up the mayor's ass.... They are scheduling it at headquarters so we the police are in a lose- lose position.
If we all show up and march it does no good because the mayor is out of town and we are tucked away from downtown. Knowing that it will be ineffective, our members won't waste their time and Daley can say, look police are not miserable, and either why we look bad.
How about a NO CONFIDENCE VOTE against the Mayor?
We already did the J-Fled one... been there, done that.
THE FOP IS A JOKE. I admit to being one of the clowns that bought into their line of BS when they were running and I voted for them TWICE! I will NOT make that mistake again. DonaHOE is a politician and is doing this to not embarrass the mayor who im sure will be hooking him up with a good gig once all is said and done. If the site of this march isnt changed to city hall then the FOP may as well cancel it because quite frankly we will look like fucking idiots with 100 guys marching. Switch it to city hall and we get thousands again, keep it at 35th and your sucking Daleys nuts! Doesnt really matter though, DONAHOE is on his way out. If he is dumb enough to seek re election he will be embarrased. IN BED WITH THE ENEMY
1225am, dont kid yourself my friend teh FOP gets it well. Which is exactly why they are doing this when dick daley isnt around. The FOP is in the mayors pocket.
Who cares? That should be the question.
Mark D. and FOP MUST reconsider:
Daley calls the shots for hiring.
Daley calls the shots for promotions.
Daley hired Weis.
City Hall is THE ONLY place to march. I hear a lot of people won't bother to show if it's at 35th St.
Not marching on city hall gets Daley off the hook. He is the #1 problem to this all, he is the CEO of this city and it ALL starts from his office.
No manpower
Corrupt promotions
Poor leadership
The march should be expanded to encircle CityHall and the Daley Center federal courts since our embarassment is becoming nationwide. We had more than enough people to encircle both buildings last time.
We need to be around City hall just to have the greatest impact and News Media!
The News Media Studios are all downtown!
We NEED to embarrass Shortshanks and bean counters that pull the strings! Our Lives are at stake not theirs!
Being at HQ is like a tree being cut in the forest! Did anyone hear the tree fall?
Da Pelon
If Da Mayo is not re-elected in Fed 2011 I will give all credit to this Blog. I know many do not look at the blog but news people do and slowly they are starting to distance themselves from Da Mayo. The Reader gets some credit along with Kass thats it!!!!
Do not look for any help from the spineless guy we have in CFFU Local 2 of the FireFighters Union. This no-balls wimp fought us picketing around Payton High School Prep some years ago cuz he was "afraid" of embarassing the Payton family. And Walter was a football striker too.
Ryan is not much of a union leader anymore than he was a FF leader. He got to be prez by default just like Quinn got to be Gov...
Go to City Hall and set a datewhen 'pussycakes' is in town and I guarantee you will see a lot of fireos with you on the infopicket line.
The FOP Rich Aguilar came to my roll call to talk about the contract when it was passed. We asked him about the the man power shortage RICH told us there was not man power shortage. He talked down to those of us asking. HOW DID IT HAPPEN IN MONTHS
The FOP could careless for anyone other then us.
The older guys march from city hall to the federal building, the younger guys from 35th St. to the federal building and have the final rally there asking the federal government to this nit wit hillbilly Weis back.
After we finish at 35th St., maybe we can go to J-Fleds house for a big grand finale.
Change is good!
The FOP Rich Aguilar came to my roll call to talk about the contract when it was passed. We asked him about the the man power shortage RICH told us there was not man power shortage. He talked down to those of us asking. HOW DID IT HAPPEN IN MONTHS
The FOP could careless for anyone other then us.
9/05/2010 03:24:00 PM
Rich talks down to alot of cops.
Mini rant...
I have been reading the responses regarding the march that is scheduled for later this month.
After all of the blather, I respectfully say, "Who cares?"
Does anyone really think that marching at City Hall, HQ, or the moon, will make any bit of difference? If you do, you are stupid or obtuse.
As for Mike Shields, he seems to be a good guy, but in the end, that old line keeps coming back to me...meet the new boss, same as the old boss...Remember when Mark was running?...Ooohhh, he was gonna change the world!! Uh huh...
And finally, in response to all the officers who say the "solution" to many problems with the CPD would be to increase the manpower. What you fellas dont realize is that whether there are 9,000 or 13,000 cops on the street, if you put hands on someone, you risk your asset base. Are people really that dumb!! Look what happened at the search warrant where the two officers were shot. No response!! And what the heck were they doing being proactive? It is sad to say, but I will say it, more, possibly many more, police and civilians are going to be killed before the public has had enough. Thats just the way it is.
I hope you all stay safe, and please back each other up.
Wrigley Field about as usless as the cubs. The march will have on no affect upon Daley and LFLED!
Anonymous said...
After we finish at 35th St., maybe we can go to J-Fleds house for a big grand finale.
9/05/2010 04:42:00 PM
You mean his house in Elmhurst? Or that BS place on Michigan Avenue?
Masters, Masters, Masters!!
It HAS to be at City Hall to be meaningful. And un-ignorable.
Count me in as another civilian who'll try to get down there to lend moral support. Hell, with THAT many cops around, the streets should be pretty safe!
Hmmmmm...
All indications are that our fraternal leadership is actively engaging in a rear guard campaign at the behest of the mayor against the membership.
FOP only jumped on the band wagon and try to take the reins after city hall saw this thing gaining traction and momentum. It is likely they weren't going to say much of their own volition as they were content to ride out their terms saying little and doing even less.
Daley Inc. in their fear of The Police, told FOP to direct any planned protest away from city hall at all costs.
FOP leadership has failed to exercise due diligence on behalf of the membership for the promise of personal favors and rewards from city hall past, present and yet to come.
FOP has been co-opted and corrupted.
Daley Inc. is DESPERATELY trying to keep the horrible truth from being revealed to the public in that the public's safety as well as that of The Police has been intentionally compromised.
That is why so much of FOP's insistence that the march be at HQ has the piquant odor of being dictated from the Fifth Floor of 111 N. LaSalle.
"We'll let you march but not at city hall."
"We'll provide signage." (saying down with j-fled of course)
"The mayor will be out of town." (isn't he our target audience?)
Control of the messengers plus control the time and venue plus control of their message by those beholden to their political masters divided by a well developed, entrenched and insidious media spin and control apparatus equals nothing actually being said by the messengers at all.
...Just a bunch of noisy Coppers that everyone just wants to shut up and go away. Regardless of the great peril we're all in.
Which is exactly what FOP and city hall/Daley Inc. want.
A perfect storm is brewing. No one at city hall could have predicted that the mayor's plan to starve CPD (particularly the Patrol Division) of manpower and resources would collide head on with out of control street violence.
They rotate their dentures about citizen "perception" of out of control street violence being just that... A perception.
Well... The good thing is that the public is (not for the most part, but getting there) not as monumentally naive, stupid, uninformed and unsophisticated as Daley Inc. wishes them to be.
What is truly appalling is that our fraternal leadership takes it as an article of faith that Policemen are monumentally naive, stupid, uninformed, unsophisticated, deaf and blind.
They've finally revealed themselves as to where their loyalties lie. The irony is that they're beyond caring as to whether the membership knows it or not.
Their actions can be described in polite terms as Traitorous.
Fraternal leaders... What do you say in your defense?
Chicago Policemen face enemies from within and without.
There are approximately 70 recently laid off POs from departments all over the Chicago area.
Why are we (as in Fled and 3M) trying to snag these people and put them to work here?
They are trained, mostly younger, already have had the background down, etc.
It makes sense, that's why they won't do it.
The poll is nice. I tried voting twice the Chicago way but the system caught me.
Oh, and absolutely brilliant idea SCC!
Unscientific poll though it may be but it will help strip away any shred of deniabilty from FOP and it would be hard if not nearly impossible for them to taint the results.
Now the fun begins. We can't wait to see the jaw-jacking, posturing, gyrating, back-bending, ass-spraining, angry hand-partying and hip fracturing that results from you posting this poll.
Perhaps we should have some injured and disabled officer carry signs. PASS HOUSE BILL 6901 FOR ILLINOIS DISABLED POLICE OFFICERS.
EDUCATE THOSE IN ATTENDANCE, ONCE THEY ARE ON DISABILITY, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CARRY A GUN. The more I read this legislation, the more I like it. Keep up the good job you guys working on it.
In 1972??...CPA Pres Joe Pecoraro and COP Pres Jim Johnson called for a ticket blitz and threatened to strike if their members didn't receive a raise after the "wage increase freeze" for 1 & 2 yr cops the previous budget...both were threatened with arrest if they didn't call off "the blitz"
So..they called for a ticket slow down...that hurt...following budget was a raise, but never got that wage increase freeze back for the "1500 Club"...anyone remeber?
possum head came out in the media and stated that we would have manpower concerns--- what would a march at 3510 s michigan accomplish--- we need to beat feet at city hall--- even though little mcmumbles will be in china we can still let our voices be heard....
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Anonymous said...
There are approximately 70 recently laid off POs from departments all over the Chicago area.
Why are we (as in Fled and 3M) trying to snag these people and put them to work here?
They are trained, mostly younger, already have had the background down, etc.
It makes sense, that's why they won't do it.
9/05/2010 07:26:00 PM
Who is their clout? We don't want nobody nobody sent. Qualified? who cares qualified, we got people whose kids need jobs, we don't care about no qualifications.
Does anyone in the media realize what a dangerous situation we have here in Chicago? Imagine another good sized coordinated terrorist attack against several targets. Now imagine the frightening uncoordinated response by our incompetent and fragmented leadership. Leadership that rank and file (including supervisors) does not trust.
OK, now imagine the giant cluster fuck that will follow.
A dangerous situation.
Anonymous said...
The march should take place at city hall when the mayor is in Chicago, not when he's in China. FOP must reschedule this march and change the venue.
9/05/2010 01:04:00 PM
If the mayor is in China, we should march on Chinatown! It is obvious! The hell with those chop suey slinging sons of bitches! I ain't taking any crap from no chow mein head neither!
That's it, daley is in China, we march on Chinatown! That will show 'em!
We have traitors amongst us. They must be neutralized. March on City Hall.
Nice!!!
Perfect date!!
Nicely chosen!!!
Great Job FOP!!!
Is this my FOP??
This is unreal people!!!
Wake up
Anonymous said...
Nice!!!
Perfect date!!
Nicely chosen!!!
Great Job FOP!!!
Is this my FOP??
This is unreal people!!!
Wake up
9/05/2010 10:23:00 PM
Greg listen tell Mark change location to city hall, read the poll dumbass!
Hey, we should hold a march at River view, that'll really scare City hall! Right?
I will lead you all to the hall without the FOP help. "They threw me out."
WH/603
We should march around Tommy's on Higgins. That way, if we get tired or thirsty from all the "protesting" we can stop in a for a cold one.
City Hall with the mayor out of town? What good is that accomplishing? Cold beers, good friends, signs on sticks...it'll be fun.
uhhh, hold it in Grand Beach...just a thought...
It would seem that the unfortunate position being taken by our fraternal leadership is if the membership doesn't care to march at HQ then just don't bother to show up.
The equivalent of saying well fuck you if you can't take a joke?
Let's see how long they can defend the indefensible.
Not unlike the proverbial crazy person opting to burn up in a house ablaze while taking pot shots from the attic to keep the Fire Department from running the hoses to douse the flames.
I love CPD and FOP but I'm marching on city hall. I'm retire and I'm not the only retiree marching on city hall. We cannot march around any building with our brothers and our sisters inside it's walls. Weis is another Daley fallguy. A failure for sure for the rank and file of CPD but a rousing success for the rat bastard himself. He accomplished what he was hired to do. He eliminated almost all of the "real police bosses" enabling Daley/Madigan/Burke to place a new mantlepiece of idiots consisting entirely of political idiolation and favors owed. A group that would answer to no one but them. Who but, a formerly indicted disrtrict commander is going to bow and scrape to politicos? The old intelligent, streetwise, leaders knew who to see and how to get it done when they wanted politicians off their backs.
i refuse to go to 35th/ i'll see you and/whomever at city hall... lets pass a message here... fuck
35th they are not the ones doing the hiring.. fuck jpuss he be gone shortly
How about both places. City Hall from 1100-1200 then rent buses and do HQ's from 1300-1400. Just a thought.
When we get to the Federal Building I wouldn't mind asking them a question or two. How much longer must these officers work under this Reign of Terror you allow them to endure. Daley enjoys all his freedoms while his continuing criminal enterprise gets ever larger, more blatant, and the threat to Public Safety more lethal. Is the fact that we have the mayor's BROTHER working side-by-side with the president affecting your decision to ignore political crimes and neglect public safety?
Shitty Hall! You cut the HEAD off of a snake and the body dies. March at HQ and some folks (the mouth breathing cretins) might get the idea that it's all J-Fled's fault. Go after the producer of the disaster film. Daley must go!
The FOP could careless for anyone other then us.
9/05/2010 03:24:00 PM
Huh? Whah? You must be a merit white-shirt!
The march should start at 35th Street, move down State Street to the 1st District, pass the Federal Building and end at City Hall.
Why?
@ 35th Street we demand the ouster of J-Fled and end to merit picks by Bobby Roman!
@ 1st District we can pick up the retired folk.
@ Federal Building we can demand the release of Rossi and Burge and the end to the attack on the police! Fitzgerald could announce the indictment of some of Loevy's and Flint's clients for perjury!
@ City Hall we can demand more hiring, end of merit promotions and the ouster of Daley!
The marchers should be respectful and carry numerous signs articulating our concerns.
Guaranteed to draw publicity but would be better if it was held on a day the Mayor was in-town and the City Council was meeting.
take a bus to daley's vacation home and march there. Perfect statement "you are vacationing while rome is burning"... that, and it will hit national news. I doubt that there are a lot of police protests up there lol....
I can't believe you guys are this naive. Don't you know that the Mayor is the one orchestrating this protest? He gave Donahue the green light to do it so he can justify moving Jfed momentarily. That's right Donahue cut a deal with the Mayor!!!! Mayor told Donahue to go ahead and schedule protest only to do it at HQ and not City Hall and to also schedule it while he's out of town. The Mayor has agreed to get rid of Jfed but doesn't want the heat around City Hall. Think about it? We protest at City Hall last time, how come not now? Donahue is on Mayors payroll, duh!!!
I say fuck FOP and we deviate and get bus drivers to drop us off at City Hall. Who's in?
Permit is needed to protest downtown? LOCK US UP and see what happens to the already short man power problem!
city hall on Oct 11
columbas day...let the parade roll into the march
the picket signs that fop makes better be on target this time. a little creative writing/phrases that go right to the point and hits the nail on the head would be appreciated
In 1972??...CPA Pres Joe Pecoraro and COP Pres Jim Johnson called for a ticket blitz and threatened to strike if their members didn't receive a raise after the "wage increase freeze" for 1 & 2 yr cops the previous budget...both were threatened with arrest if they didn't call off "the blitz"
So..they called for a ticket slow down...that hurt...following budget was a raise, but never got that wage increase freeze back for the "1500 Club"...anyone remeber?
9/05/2010 09:14:00 PM
1972? Shiiiiittttt..... MOST of the department wasnt even born yet! However, then WE STUCK TOGETHER! Now, too many not willing to give up their "spots"! (too many that think Tact is a spot!) Too many (one way) on this dept now.
We should march in front of Daley's summer home in Michigan seeing as that is where he is going to be on the 15th.
OT, but very powerful and must be seen:
The power of images turned against the Democrats...
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/09/the_power_of_images_turned_aga.html
Anonymous said...
9/05/2010 03:23:00 AM
Mike Shields good kid, but will not run as Bella said so! What could he give Mike not to run and sweep out all the old we need new blood top to bottom at FOP!
9/05/2010 09:47:00 AM
SOMEONE NEEDS TO MONITOR THE PENSION FUND. LEAVE MIKE AT THE PENSION BOARD BEFORE ALL OUR PENSION MONEY IS SPENT ON BULLSHIT OR GIVEN TO DALEY AND HIS CRIME FAMILY.
Dump Mark Donahue and his band of idiots!!! Mario (019)
Can we protest at daley's house?
I would even support an idea to START OFF at Police HQ and then march all the way down to the Hall.
That's a good idea, but there are other ways to handle this.
From a PR perspective, you need
1. sympathy from the public
2. positive media attention
3. a large spectacle-or two or three
The police officer march is a great idea but Daley won't make changes (ie. hire more POs, dump Wies) unless the public, (esp the upper middle class Chicago public OR large enough groups of general public), screams for it.
An alternative idea: Organize a group of citizens to march on city hall while the POs march on Headquarters: Spouses of POs, teachers, firefighters at City Hall. They are more sympathetic (in general publics eyes) and if this group marches on City Hall it shows the support behind you and the "public outrage" while FOP marches on 35th.
Have the "citizen" group carry signs like : "Take Back Our Streets-Hire 2000 More Police officers NOW"
"Make Our City Safe Again–
Replace Jody Weis!"
Start a campaign with specific attainable goals: hiring 2000 new POs or replacing Weis with someone that's actually been on the streets as a PO or whatever your main goals are.
The public WILL support you (I do and I am a public) if you can make your message clear, simple and strong. The general public is confused about the situation. Most citizens I know don't read SSC or get what is going on. (They see your average PO and Weis as one and the same-so in their eyes, Weis didn't meet with gang leaders-the CPD did.) But Jane and Joe Public would get behind you if they really understood the situation.
Package your message, spin it in a way influential public citizens will respond and then blast media sources repeatedly to get the message thru. Don't rely on mainstream media alone-take your message to the public-Twitter, Facebook, etc. Use the same people and media that Obama used. (Create a few fan pages with your messages: "Hire 2000 New Chicago Police Officers in 2010" or "Replace Jody Weis" fan page)
Your message has to be simple and clear or the media will butcher it. If you have specific definable actions/demands that make sense, people will respond. Presenting a mostly united front would also go a long way to getting support.
Example Message: CPD needs 2000 more POs NOW to stop the shootings and violence.
Simple explanation: CPD is short 2000 POs so criminals are running wild.
Obviously this won't solve all the problems and it over simplifies things, but that is a message people can understand and get behind.
Thanks for all you do and hang in there,
A concerned citizen
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Whomever this citizen is, they really have some serious smarts and know their stuff. As a professional marketing person w/20 years of experience, s/he is dead on. This is exactly what you need, and I hope someone does it.
All the best to you hardworking cops - another citizen that loves the police
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dump Mark Donahue and his band of idiots!!! Mario (019)
9/06/2010 04:29:00 PM
mark is done after this term, he has a nice 6 figure lobbyist job lined up compliments of city hall and mike madigan! Mark does what benefits mark,and he will anoint Greg bella and the rest of "his" slate so SAME OLD,SAME OLD!
After personally speaking with the FOP's Mark Donahue and Greg Bella on the phone about 5 PM on Labor Day, I forwarded a copy of this "Where to March?" thread with the ongoing results of this poll via E-mail to:
MDonahue@ChicagoFOP.org and GBella@ChicagoFOP.org
Earlier, I also forwarded a private E-mail to both requesting that they reschedule the venue and timing of the demonstration for obvious reasons. I also asked that they reply to me ASAP.
Out of town? WRONG-O! Shanks' China meetings begin on the 18th. He WILL BE IN TOWN!! Unless he decides to hide in Michigan, of course.
Holy fuck!!! Donahue got Daley to not run to reelection. Damn!! The FOP is all powerful, as usual. Heard Donahue gets OEMC after the FOP elections.
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