It Just Keeps Piling On
- Sources say the two officers under investigation for claims of sexually assaulting a woman have faced similar accusations twice before.
But in the earlier two cases, the women decided not to follow through with charges, sources tell CBS 2.
As with any investigation, you can't make people cooperate. But shouldn't two previous complaints have given someone pause? Especially two previous complaints of this nature?
But then again, weren't there multiple complaints of telephone harassment, physical battery and property damage against a certain exempt?
Or multiple complaints of sexual harassment and assorted other misdeeds against numerous others?
Or positive drug tests? Or drunken behavior on and off duty by lord knows how many exempts.
We guess if it's rotten, it's rotten from the head down.
Maybe this place is just too dysfunctional to straighten out?
But then again, weren't there multiple complaints of telephone harassment, physical battery and property damage against a certain exempt?
Or multiple complaints of sexual harassment and assorted other misdeeds against numerous others?
Or positive drug tests? Or drunken behavior on and off duty by lord knows how many exempts.
We guess if it's rotten, it's rotten from the head down.
Maybe this place is just too dysfunctional to straighten out?
Labels: un-fucking-believable, we got nothing
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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and thats where the big money comes into play in the civil suit. failing to correct previous behavior.
One of the commenters yesterday said that Bill Wallace refused to allow these two to work together, then they drifted back to each other since he retired.
Sure, Bill was doing CYA, but there had to be a reason for it.
Those Exempt Gold Stars are Exempt from the regular punishment handed out to the rest of us!
From what I hear this has been an ongoing problem with these two and you can bet many knew about it. Many on 1st watch just shake their heads and say it's no surprise. Some say these two will be lucky to only get fired, but I think they will be lucky if they do only10 years in prison. A policeman can't have consensual sex with an impaired stranger while on duty, let alone two policeman. There is a major intimidation factor there. They are ARMED!!! I believe Official misconduct carries a 10 year sentence alone and there's no doubt that will be one of the charges. These two left a scar on the CPD and 023. SAD!
We do get a lunch rite?But dam keep ur clothes on and WTF think with the right head,
I'm just sayn
The old days of covering for fellow Officers no matter what they have done has just got to stop. I'm not calling for screwing each other over every chance we get but there are some behaviors that are just unacceptable of a police officer. Some people do not deserve to where this uniform. Especially those who continuously f*ck up and expect another officer to risk their careers and freedom to cover for them. We're all supposed to be grown ups and we have a job that gives us a lot of power and responsibility. Stop dragging the department and fellow officers down just because you never want to grown up.
Speaking of piling on...
a source VERY close to this investigation says three other ladies that have had eerily similar interactions with these two assholes (NOT the ones who declined to cooperate in the past - NEW "victims") have come forward to pursue charges after seeing this make national headlines.
This, INDEED, is going to get VERY fucking ugly.
Keep blaming the sergeant.
To all the goofs that blame the supervisors for the acts of 40 year old grown men I ask do you blame your mommy and daddy because you are still a blueshirt?
Thanks for making all of us look like criminals again. Looks like IAD covered up for the CLOUTED again.
Once again Chicago corruption strikes. The Feds need to takeover the CPD.
Breaking news....another 023 District officer was stripped last nite for an outstanding incident which resulted in a CR for fondling a domestic violence victim. Also, the SGT is getting heat from IAD and his log is being thoroughly examined from that night. He will take time on this but not sure how much. Other POs being investigated from 1st watch as I type this. What is wrong with 1st watch in 023. More bad news to follow
SCC, I do gree, it is not all BS, but for us it is just another reason to talk S@&%
I came on in 1985. I just want to say that in that time Terry Hilliard is the best superintendent we've had. I really like him. Stand up guy.
Now if these two had been accused of this type of behavior multiple times before then they SHOULD not have been working together. Period. Call it a failure of management or leadership or just somebody having the sense to deserve the title "boss".
Even if the alleged sex was consensual these two are idiots. Buying liquor in uniform and on duty. Driving outside the district. These guys are 38 years old?
The only good thing about getting older is hopefully not acting like a hyper-horny frat boy at a kegger party as you hopefully mature.
If some 25 year old cops had been accused of this it would be more credible, but 38 year olds. Dumbasses.
I wonder if we will find in the weeks ahead that one or two of these guys had some serious clout.
It seems to me that about half the guys who screw up badly have clout. Since less than 1/2 the department has serious clout that says something about the corrosive nature of clout.
As for the people badmouthing you in the comments......to hell with them.
If they try to justify this in any sense then they deserve to be booted to. I don't care what theories they come up with. They don't know their asses from a hole in the ground.
I was recently asked why I'm so jaded. Gee, I'm just not sure as to why?!
A pattern of previously reported incidents. Bottom line is these two so-called officers seemed to be more interested in finding fresh prey and busting a nut when on duty. A big F-You to You Two. These two F-Nuts may have been getting laid while a fellow officer was on the radio calling for Help.
"Maybe this place is just too dysfunctional to straighten out?"
Uh... I figured that out about 6 years ago! And still straight down hill since then. I can't say I am enjoying this ride much. What a disgrace this City and our Department have become.
Still THOUSANDS of honest, hard working Coppers in the Second City.
How many times has IAD refused to take action under warranted and justified circumstances?
IAD refuses to pursue the clout heavy criminal element within our rank and file. IAD will hammer a copper for a minor infraction that lacks clout though.
IAD creates these situations by enabling the rapist/robber/thief/? to become bolder everytime they escape disciplinary action for their crimes.
This cycle punishes the vast majority of hardworking coppers that are sickened by the corrupt system and the dirty cops.
This whole system destroys morale and causes good coppers to hate the job.
Lets hope that Mayor-Elect Rahm Emmanuel breaks the cycle of corruption on the CPD that prospered under Mayor Daley's Reign.
How many times did Herman grab an unknown woman's ass at work or demand freebie from a street walker? How many times did coppers on his team look the other way?
How many times did Allegretti sneak off for a blowjob on Division? How many times did he stop a female and coerce them to perfrom sexual acts? How many coppers looked the other way?
How many times did Breimon proposition and photograph traffic offenders? How many coppers viewed the pics and looked the other way?
Why didn't IAD react when notified years earlier about all of these coppers?
What is the common factor here?
When will the SOS indictments come down?
Maybe the Feds need to take over the CPD to change the culture of corruption that is so prevalent on the job.
Jody Weis was not the answer, a full Federal take over might be.
How about LYING on your resume to try and get a job with another department, but being promoted further in this shit department in spite of your lies.
Unbelievable.
I still can't believe that someone can be so stupid. Let alone two officers be this stupid.
>>it's rotten from the head down<<
Yea and that is precisely the problem. CPD promotions are where Leadership goes to die...
"He that cannot obey cannot command."
- Benjamin Franklin
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power."
- Abraham Lincoln
"Nothing is so good for the morale of the troops as occasionally to see a dead general."
- Field Marshal Slim
"The task of the leader is to get his people from where they are to where they have not been."
- Henry Kissinger
"You don't lead by hitting people over the head-that's assault, not leadership."
- General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you."
- Max DePree
"People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives."
- Theodore Roosevelt
Even a complaint of this sort is very disturbing. How do you even get yourself into this type of situation in the first place? Immature, unprofessional and ignorant are my top three. This is not a white shirt vs. blue shirt situation so stop trying to make it one.
Yes couch quarterbacking .... Done.
To think the extent of the heavy hand brought down upon Cozzi ....mismatched with outcome of Abate and I'm sure this case as we'll soon see.
They/we must stop creating examples of our response to crimes to create a atmosphere for political gain by example.
Prince Valiant
I can't remember--what happened to Abbate? Did he do time?
This is going to be in the news forever. Sex sells papers. Violence sells papers. Cops doing either sells lots of papers.
I just wonder how many more women will now come out from the shadows who've had encounters with these two.
The most notorius was Dumped Deputy Supt. Michael Shields who landed a top job at CPS. So the mentally dysfunctional keep rebounding! This is ridiculous!
who cares they only fucked themselves. Im not losing any pay for these guys. I heard they just sripped a third person for this incident tho. Any truth to that?
The old days of covering for fellow Officers no matter what they have done has just got to stop. I'm not calling for screwing each other over every chance we get but there are some behaviors that are just unacceptable of a police officer. Some people do not deserve to where this uniform. Especially those who continuously f*ck up and expect another officer to risk their careers and freedom to cover for them. We're all supposed to be grown ups and we have a job that gives us a lot of power and responsibility. Stop dragging the department and fellow officers down just because you never want to grown up.
4/02/2011 12:43:00 AM
Are you referring to Cmdr. "Penny" here?
Anonymous said...
Maybe the Feds need to take over the CPD to change the culture of corruption that is so prevalent on the job.
Jody Weis was not the answer, a full Federal take over might be.
4/02/2011 04:42:00 AM
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Oh, that's the answer we need. Numbnuts, are you in THAT BIG A HURRY to be treated like a retarded, illegitimate, red-headed step child? These damn feds treat local law enforcement like shit. They think that they are the elite, maybe they are, but they ain't all that, but try to tell them so. They don't have the first clue how to do street police work and never will. They are good at what they do, but what we do isn't what they do.
These seem like a lot of examples. They are not. One in a thousand idiots. Stop whining about a Federal takeover being necessary. Stop whining that you are ashamed to wear the uniform. Stop whining that the supervisors don't do their job. Grow up. Do something yourselves.
You are not powerless, you are part of the problem because YOU look the other way when guys don't assist on jobs and that guys stay down on a job all night. YOU ignore guys that abuse the Medical, take too long on lunch, don't have a Beat tag and can't seem to find the guys speeding through school zones.
We (yeah, it's a dinosaur talking again) froze those bastards out. Nobody talked to them at roll call. Nobody joined them at lunch and nobody talked to them at checkoff. Sometimes someone would talk to them, but then it was in the locker room. Out of sight and earshot of supervisors and they had a sympathetic eyewitness in case the prick complained.
Not talking to them is more powerful than you think. Think of what you would be like with no friends, no backup.
Sometimes the supervisors need an assist too. Sometimes they need help from you to take out the trash.
To the civilian readers, there are only a few problems that you have to worry about. I'm am mostly referring to lazy guys, sometimes they are the same.
Keep blaming the sergeant.
To all the goofs that blame the supervisors for the acts of 40 year old grown men I ask do you blame your mommy and daddy because you are still a blueshirt?
If they are on your log, then you are responsible for them. Isn't that part of your job? Isn't that why you are called a supervisor?
If not, then just what do white shirts do?
You should not be held accountable for their actions, that falls on them. What you will be held accountable for is why they were out of the district. Did they get permission? Did they go down on the air or at least on the PDT?
SCC, your listed points are the exact reasons I have no pride in CPD anymore. Daley has spent the last 20 years destroying this department through the hiring and promotion of unqualified individuals. Our exempt ranks are now filled with incompetent individuals who should not even be P/Os let alone exempts.
Chicago sun times reporting shots fired at police in 010th district.
two prior complaints and the Watch Commander still allowed these two idiots to work together?
Deeper pockets people...
Criminal: Person who commits a crime.
"Alleged offender": terms used by newspapers, so they don't get sued for hanging a criminal in the paper, before he's been convicted in court; term most citizens smirk at, figuring the guy's a criminal; term all policeman just laugh at, because they KNOW he's guilty.
So, what's with all this bullshit:
"immature" ?
"dumb" ?
"keep ur clothes on" ?
"think with the right head!"?
"unacceptable" ?
"f*ck up" ?
"never want to grow up" ?
"assholes" ?
"deserve to be booted" ?
rapist/robber/thief/ NOW! There is some straight talking!!!!!!
If the allegations reported are accurate, then the involved members are not police officers, but rather government empowered thugs and predators, who should be held to the highest levels of accountability - both criminally and administratively. The allegations, as reported at this time, are public trust violations of the highest order.
If it is accurate that the CPD had knowledge of previous incidents of a similar nature, it begs the reasonable questions being asked...
What did the CPD do then and what did the CPD do afterwards to ensure that citizens would not be subject to future victimization like this?
Based on what is being reported so far, I believe there are issues of organizational responsibility and accountability, in addition to the personal accountability of the accused members. Both must be effectively examined and addressed. Neither can be allowed to be diluted, summarily
dismissed or ignored.
As citizens of Chicago, we demand that our police force operates honorably and ethically, with the utmost of integrity - both on an organizational level and on individual levels by each member. It is an unreasonable expectation that the CPD can be effective with one and not the other.
Anything less is totally unacceptable... to the citizens that mandate this for public safety... and to the many honorable men and women of the CPD who serve this city, requiring competent leadership and support to be effective in their duties.
We have much work ahead of us... to repair an organization severly damaged by incompetent, unethical and corrupt leaders... and to restore the public trust in it's police department, which has been damaged by incidents that shock the public conscious and tear at the very fabric of our society.
Working together, we will overcome this and become the better because of it.
We are professional. We are disciplined. We are dedicated in our role as public servants. We are the Chicago Police Department.
Work safe!
John Andrews
Here is an idea.....why not rotate Supervisors every three months within their Area. This rotation will allow each Sgt, Lt, and Captain the opportunity to keep things fresh. Part of the problem is that bosses become tooooo familiar with the blue shirts and thus allow for dicipline to slide at times. This management rotation is not going to hurt the bosses because they would remain on the same watch but just another building. At this point what can you do? There will always be those very few who make it bad for all of us.
let's not forget our great alderman. They have been convicted at a higher rate than any policeman.
I bitched last week about how Front Line Supervision needs to step up and do their jobs. A supervisor retorted and said its hard to do because of the clouted ones, I thought he was just jaded. Well this is an example me being wrong. If the rumors of these two retards having done this before and no action was taken, then we do indeed have some serious problems that need to be addressed.
Clout = 1st Watch in 23?
Time to get new clout
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Maybe this place is just too dysfunctional to straighten out?"
Uh... I figured that out about 6 years ago! And still straight down hill since then. I can't say I am enjoying this ride much. What a disgrace this City and our Department have become.
4/02/2011 03:30:00 AM
Believe it or not this Dept. was more dysfunctional a couple decades ago.As a PPO 25 years ago,I was amazed and sometimes embarrassed by the antics of my co-workers.Drunk on duty,thieves,perverts of every type,murderers,wife beaters....I've pushed a beat car with all of the above during my career.I've lost count how many idiots on this job,that I personally knew have gone to prison,gotten fired or killed through some misadventure.Keep your nose clean.Don't get too involved with fuck up officers.Try to do your job with as little risk to yourself.Try to lead your life in an honorable manner and retire the first chance you get.
Our how about the complaint that lead to a search warrant on a certain exempt's condo producing guns and drugs....
Just wait until the next smoove talking, sex beef gettin, nobama play cousin gets the supernintendo job.
Keep blaming the sergeant.
To all the goofs that blame the supervisors for the acts of 40 year old grown men I ask do you blame your mommy and daddy because you are still a blueshirt?
4/02/2011 12:51:00 AM
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What a ridiculous statement. There are a lot of VERY adult choices that go into choosing not to take promotional exams, including pursuing one's education, raising children, caring for elderly parents, managing a small business or just devoting yourself to your family, instead of the job.
You need to find an appropriate way to state your case, because THIS one doesn't cut it.
4/02/2011 12:04:00 hit it right on the head. The big money comes into play because the plaintiff will be able to make a Monell claim against the city. The plaintiff will claim that since other incidents were covered up or no discipline was meted out, the CPD has a practice of allowing police officers to harrass, abuse and intimidate vulnerable individuals to perform sexual acts. If the plaintiff can show a pattern of such cases being swept under the rug including complaints against certain exempts and supervisors, the city will pay big time. You can be sure some of the usual suspect plaintiff law firms are looking for the other 2 women who beefed on these guys and for anyone else who has a story of harrassment. I suspect you will see a class action suit against the city. This frolic by these two sorry SOBs will resound for many years. And BTW sex with someone who is impaired by alcohol, drugs or mental disease or defect cannot be said to be consensual. The individual does not have the ability to make a free, informed decision due to their impairment.
I understand Cozzi got royally f*#ked, and I pray every day he gets returned home. And i agree Abatte's indiscretions were far more horrific. HOWEVER, the reason these guys will get hammered-like Cozzi did, boils down to 1 thing. "Acting under the color of law." Its one thing if you are off duty and step on your dick. You may rake some time, and may go to jail. But if you use your power/authority as a tool to assist you in your shennanigans, or it can be perceived that you did, the stakes are much higher.
Much the same as if Cozzi were off duty and slepped someone a few times in a similar situation, he might have taken a few days. And if Abatte was in uniform It on duty for his incident, he would be looking at serious time.
I only have 22 years on but I have to make a comment about supervision. I'm not going to rip any W/C. I'll just say that when I was coming up on this job, the watch knew who the troublemakers were and you know what? Guys who had this propensity were not allowed to work together. Period. They would be put with an officer who was trusted and respected, in many instances older officers who served this city with honor. These guys would never have had a chance to grow into this type of behavior. It was not long ago that their behavior would have been stopped straight away through simple changes.
The public has the right to expect that officers will show zero tolerance for fuckups like these two. You don't have to crusade like Serpico, but you don't need to condone or even countenance such misconduct. The Daley era is over.
In return, the honest and brave CPD officers have the right to expect the full support of the public.
But you've got to make it easier for us to do so.
The comments on these threads is proof enough that that this place..(The Rank and File of this Department) is just fine SCC. Screw these clowns!
A good sergeant knows where all of his cars are -- all the time.
Maybe the Feds need to take over the CPD to change the culture of corruption that is so prevalent on the job.
Jody Weis was not the answer, a full Federal take over might be.
4/02/2011 04:42:00 AM
Uh, yeah,right - because having a Federal agent in each car with us will definitely cause us to keep our clothes on when we're on duty. What do the Feds have to do with this?!
Face it; mutts will be mutts. We don't need Feds here, we just need to behave like the adults that MOST of us are.
these two were probably working together because nobody else wanted to work with either one of them--- some guys are destined to be career relief officers because they just can't latch onto a steady partner or they are just plain nuts---- then your partner goes on furlo or medical and you get stuck baby sitting one of them for a few days--- if you complain to the watch commander that you would rather work 99 they tell you no, it's your turn in the barrel for the baby sitting detail....
How many times did Herman grab an unknown woman's ass at work or demand freebie from a street walker? How many times did coppers on his team look the other way?
How many times did Allegretti sneak off for a blowjob on Division? How many times did he stop a female and coerce them to perfrom sexual acts? How many coppers looked the other way?
How many times did Breimon proposition and photograph traffic offenders? How many coppers viewed the pics and looked the other way?
Why didn't IAD react when notified years earlier about all of these coppers?
What is the common factor here?
4/02/2011 04:38:00 AM
Copper your comments are derogatory to all cops and should not be on a public blog. Not all cops look the other way. You should be more respectful what you write on a public blog. You may give the impression to others that all cops are like what you describe. That is not true. I get what ypu're trying to say but its not only up to us. Other factors come into play that you've failed to mention.
We are not covering up for officers nor are we condoning this type of behavior. Period.
How many times has IAD refused to take action under warranted and justified circumstances?
IAD refuses to pursue the clout heavy criminal element within our rank and file. IAD will hammer a copper for a minor infraction that lacks clout though.
IAD creates these situations by enabling the rapist/robber/thief/? to become bolder everytime they escape disciplinary action for their crimes.
4/02/2011 04:30:00 AM
So now this is IAD's fault? That's hilarious.
So, had IAD violated the FOP contract and investigated these other allegations without cooperation or a signed affidavit, you'd be saying they did right thing? RIGHT? You are a goof.
The people that work in IAD already know that no matter what we do, no one likes or appreciates what we do. Fine. But to claim "coverup" on this...seriously? Please tell me what "clout" these morons had. Explain where the cover up took place. Love to hear the theory on this.
The comments about IAD are pretty funny. Wasn't there a Sgt. who retired from there who tried to tell the bosses about all the coverups going on. Didn't he get all kinds of shit from post on SCC? Ya can't have it both ways! Until someone gets Kirby's hand out of IAD you're gonna have coverups!
We do get a lunch rite?But dam keep ur clothes on and WTF think with the right head,
I'm just sayn
4/02/2011 12:35:00 AM
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What are you, 13? Feel free to spell out your words, this isn't a text message you're sending from under your desk in Algebra. Heer wut Im sayn?
The old days of covering for fellow Officers no matter what they have done has just got to stop. I'm not calling for screwing each other over every chance we get but there are some behaviors that are just unacceptable of a police officer. Some people do not deserve to where this uniform. Especially those who continuously f*ck up and expect another officer to risk their careers and freedom to cover for them. We're all supposed to be grown ups and we have a job that gives us a lot of power and responsibility. Stop dragging the department and fellow officers down just because you never want to grown up.
4/02/2011 12:43:00 AM
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why don't you just slow down a little bit here ... do you really know even the accusations? I don't
Look at the punishment SGT B. from 019 got after he fondled the woman near the station that was caught on tape following her into the parking area. Nothing. He was charged and and she failed to show up in court. Guess who mommy is. A Former CPD Dept sup. Suprise he's BAAAAAAAAACK like nothing happened. Move along here just more B/S to see.These to jagoff's will get fired and not go to jail. See ya later
One way to fix this is that people should tell reporters. There seems to be a sort of Middle Eastern sense in the department that bad publicity is worse than actual bad thing that happen. "oh shit, people are going to find out". As a result of this attitude, it never ends.
If exempts are getting away with crap, tell a reporter.
It makes my laugh when I read people blaming the sgt. Its the same ones that if disciplined by the same sgt or LT or WC would be on this blog talking trash about them.
Nobody should be defending these idiots OR blaming the victim. It goes beyond a common sense issue.These are predators of the worse kind.No I am not part of the investigation no I dont know them and no I dont believe everything I read in the paper...but in this case you dont need to.This is a cut and dry case...what happens criminally is unknown but the bottom line is anyone who thinks this way or acts this way should not ever have been the Police.I never want to see a Policeman put in prison..but these two were never the Police...so enjoy the joint boys or whatever happens ou cause you deserve a whole lot more.
To the other 99.9% of hard working coppers out there...be safe and God bless you
How many times has IAD refused to take action under warranted and justified circumstances?
IAD refuses to pursue the clout heavy criminal element within our rank and file. IAD will hammer a copper for a minor infraction that lacks clout though.
IAD creates these situations by enabling the rapist/robber/thief/? to become bolder everytime they escape disciplinary action for their crimes.
This cycle punishes the vast majority of hardworking coppers that are sickened by the corrupt system and the dirty cops.
i couldn't agree with you more...many...many clout heavy p.o.'s are in call back on criminal allegations...and even there they can make there phone call and be taken care of....what takes so long to bring charges...how about the 006th district sgt. who was driving around with a gangbanger who just shot a kid...WTF?....oh i forgot...she has so much dirt on bosses that she had an affair with...that maybe this whole thing will just go away...this is very sad...these scumbag people embarrass ALL of us.
Keep blaming the sergeant.
To all the goofs that blame the supervisors for the acts of 40 year old grown men I ask do you blame your mommy and daddy because you are still a blueshirt?
4/02/2011 12:51:00 AM
It is becoming clear that this was an ongoing problem. How did these two repeatedly get away for hours at a time with no sergeant ever knowing they were gone?
Either they were going down on bullshit or they were not handling assignments. The sergeant can't be expected to catch them every time, but on the flip side, if they are getting away with it every time, then that is the sergeant's responsibility.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How many times has IAD refused to take action under warranted and justified circumstances?
IAD refuses to pursue the clout heavy criminal element within our rank and file. IAD will hammer a copper for a minor infraction that lacks clout though.
IAD creates these situations by enabling the rapist/robber/thief/? to become bolder everytime they escape disciplinary action for their crimes.
This cycle punishes the vast majority of hardworking coppers that are sickened by the corrupt system and the dirty cops.
This whole system destroys morale and causes good coppers to hate the job.
Lets hope that Mayor-Elect Rahm Emmanuel breaks the cycle of corruption on the CPD that prospered under Mayor Daley's Reign.
4/02/2011 04:30:00 AM
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Wake up pal you have no idea what your talking about, IAD does the investigation and then after their recommendations it somehow gets changed
SCC you nailed it.
Agreed- Sgt does the same on duty his mother gets him off- Another exempt kills a women with his car- again nothing, Another Sgt (Kathern courts) Kills a women cover up. And on and on and on.
we are the laughing stock and we wonder why
A policeman can't have consensual sex with an impaired stranger while on duty, let alone two policeman. There is a major intimidation factor there. They are ARMED!!!
Then tell me why you guys make excuses for them??
We do get a lunch rite?But dam keep ur clothes on and WTF think with the right head,
I'm just sayn
YOU GOT ISSUES---GET HELP!
What is the common factor here?
Because we are afraid to speak out- Because those that have said no--- I will not do wrong-- is called a rat. I had a WC(Dulay) tell me to violate a citizens right I refused to lie- guess what happened to me, I had to leave the dist, yet the WC called and spreed the word I could not be trusted.
Un-fucken real - how you have to fight on this job to do the right thing.
What's needed is an independent panel to look at the department and make recommendations for stopping this kind of repeat offender. Left to our own devices we seem incapable of doing it. Was the failure at IAD? Was it at personnel? Is the district management team the weak link? I'll say this. When J-Fled came here we thought there would be more proactive IAD type integrity checks, and there were none. He eliminated inspectors from the field and there's a sense, let's be honest, that nobody's looking. Oh sure, GPS and In-Car cameras were supposed to supplant them, but it hasn't. I'll go back to my earlier remark and make the point that the SOS problem was known at IAD long before it broke and the way IAD managed the beefs ensured that they went stale and withered...until. So now the goofs in 23 are back in hot water again, water that hasn't stopped boiling from their last beef. I think there is only so much that can be done at the district level if the higher echelons won't take action, that's where the heads should roll!
I am assuming the our CLOUT bithes?? can anyone confirm? Seems like every idiot cop that ends up on the news and fucked up before, and was covered up for because they were CLOUT babies, they keep fucking up until they kill someone drunk, beat up a bar tender, or rape someone...
Let's see, a few Governors go to jail for corruption, 20 plus Aldercreatures go to jail for corruption soon to be joined by the former head of the Police Commission, a nephew of the former Mayor is beating a murder rap, some exempt rank members f**k up only to be promoted and put in yet another command position. A POTUS getting a b.j. in the oval office & another resigns for coverup of crimes...and on and on and on. Get the picture? Now a couple of cop's go bad & the world is falling apart.
Pound for pound, man for man or gal for gal, there is a hardcore of CPD that still makes it one of the roughest toughest & best Police Departments in the nation, you dig? 'Nuff said.
Sign me Still F****n Proud To Be Wearing The Blue!
Anonymous said...
How many times did Herman grab an unknown woman's ass at work or demand freebie from a street walker? How many times did coppers on his team look the other way?
How many times did Allegretti sneak off for a blowjob on Division? How many times did he stop a female and coerce them to perfrom sexual acts? How many coppers looked the other way?
How many times did Breimon proposition and photograph traffic offenders? How many coppers viewed the pics and looked the other way?
Why didn't IAD react when notified years earlier about all of these coppers?
What is the common factor here?
4/02/2011 04:38:00 AM
You left the names of some big clouted bosses out, how come?
here's the problem
officers are red lined
every police officer doing his job listens to radio even during a coffee break in case an officer needs help or an in progress call comes in and you're close
sgt red lines the 2 dogs and watch commander tells the sgt to let it go , cpd needs more sgts like this guy , get rid of these merit watch commanders and let desk sgt run the watch
These two F-Nuts may have been getting laid while a fellow officer was on the radio calling for Help.
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Exactly! They're empty uniforms...literally.
Anonymous said...
Maybe the Feds need to take over the CPD to change the culture of corruption that is so prevalent on the job.
Jody Weis was not the answer, a full Federal take over might be.
4/02/2011 04:42:00 AM
Yea, and with that the collective bargaining agreement is void.
This is a comment that in no was is intended to defend these two officers or justify their actions. The recent investigation which showed city truck drivers making 70 grand a year in salary for just delivering a work crew and sitting in their truck waiting for them to finish is pretty sickening and typical of city/count patronage hiring. Couple that with the fact that a Chicago patrolman takes years of driving on the mean streets and responding to dangerous calls to make close to that amount is a down right shame and stain on the city. A surburban cops pension is more then a city cops salary
If is it said that the Sgt wanted to Red Line those two assholes and he was overruled by the WC, then the WC is in hot water, not the Sgt who was trying to supervise his beat car.
I say the Sgt gets nothing and the WC takes time.
These two have been split up before for their shenanagins on duty, they just waited for the Sgts that made that happen to leave and they went back to their old ways.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Breaking news....another 023 District officer was stripped last nite for an outstanding incident which resulted in a CR for fondling a domestic violence victim. Also, the SGT is getting heat from IAD and his log is being thoroughly examined from that night. He will take time on this but not sure how much. Other POs being investigated from 1st watch as I type this. What is wrong with 1st watch in 023. More bad news to follow
4/02/2011 01:06:00 AM
Hey Jackass, most of us on 1st watch in 023 are good, decent men and women. We do the right thing, we do our job and then go home to our families. Don't paint all of us with the same brush.
4/02/2011 01:25:00 AM:
If some 25 year old cops had been accused of this it would be more credible, but 38 year olds. Dumbasses.
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Age is NOT a factor here. Nor would a younger cop or any cop any age, for that matter, have made this any 'more credible'....
DUMBASS!!
OR could be that they're someone's clout babies! Like Henny Penny, and those like her, they're untouchable!
it is a problem of a Clout run dept The Whole organization is crap!The public should be worried if / when there is terrorism or disaster. We have Zero leadership at the top.
Are these assholes really in call back or do they have their heads buried in the sand somewhere. I don't know how you could show your face after this one.
OT----
Was at Battle of the Badges last night and ran into Rahm. Good to see the new mayor out supporting CPD CFD.
Confirmed..another po was stripped last night in 023..he was a former partner of one of the currently accused..a cr was issued last year but was tossed..iad reopened it
What is wrong with 1st watch in 023. More bad news to follow
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It was always a freak show.
At one time they had Ralph Price as the captain.
Shelia Magnus as a lieutenant.
AND NOW; Sarah McDermot as a lieutenant.
I would transfer to 004 to get away from that C-ccccccrazy shit!!!!
You people need to chill. 2 coppers out of thousands screw up and you act like the entire Department is up for grabs and in shambles. Relax. Stop feeding the frenzy and continue on doing the right thing in the face of adversity. This too shall pass.
Even if a complainant backs out of their complaint, doesn't the Department have the brains to proceed with diaciplinary actions for violations of Dept. Regulations, if warranted by the evidence? I'd fire these 2 immediately for Conduct Unbecoming, based on the past and current incidents. Who needs asshole like this on a PD with an already severely tarnished image?
Anonymous said...
Keep blaming the sergeant.
To all the goofs that blame the supervisors for the acts of 40 year old grown men I ask do you blame your mommy and daddy because you are still a blueshirt?
4/02/2011 12:51:00 AM
When youre a Sgt you get paid to supervise your personnel fully when they are on duty, Dope. Yes, you are sometimes like a babysitter, Mommy or Daddy, but thats your JOB.
Where theres smoke, theres fire. Every good Supervisor knows that.
Don't know if they were clouted BUT since when do complaints become bona fides? We can't have it both ways.
We pushed for "affidavit required" - remember we were concerned with false complaints. Now IAD should disregard all the other stuff we say about unfair, innocent, yada yada?
A lot of trash talking without any idea of what you do or do not know. Some of you are worse than the media hounds - just keep yapping.
Supervisors must be held strictly accountable for the whereabouts of their personnel, while on duty, no if's, ands, or buts about it
I came on in 1985. I just want to say that in that time Terry Hilliard is the best superintendent we've had. I really like him. Stand up guy.
What? Have you lost your mind?
this is it all in a nut shell,these two guys were idiots that we know. they will be fired, we will listen to all the jibby jabb from news nieghbors, friends, for a long time.there will be new strict rules for us.the city will pay out of court, no chance a trial save there face in embarrassment.we will have this monkey on our back until the nexT fiasco.note this one will last a long time. and could have the effect that o' jay had on domestic violence.and all you p.o.s who still use the uniform to get girls. wake up it's over. do it off duty or the law suit will have your booty.all the supervisors will get time out of this, why because the city says if i pay you pay in some type of way.these guys are shamed for life and cannot look a officer in the face.forever tarnished family, friends.behind every mans fall is a woman some where. that little thing has alot of power.and has caused many to perish.(samson,delilah)i must say that was a expensive piece of stuff that they paid for with there lively hood and job.yes we are all angry, mad,pissed off. but this too shall pass.so just do what you have to do, no less, no more and go home everyday. and do your 20. or what ever and stop bitching and whinning on the blog about stupid stuff. you have a job in one of the worst economy's. and it will get bad real bad.where can you go and make this money. no where you know how hard you work. let it be and get that check on the first and 16th.nothing else matters.you have a house nice car,and job security. let it be, let be look at the world you live in let beeee'''''note( and all you white shirts the same people you piss on .on your way up you see on the way down. and when you are done with this job, no one really cares. do city hall call you and say how are you' no.do the boss at 35th. care about you after you gone , no. when you walk down the street after you retire, you made see that p.o. that you pissed on and say' hello and he will look you in the eye and say' i remember you. and walk right by you.we do not forget.or he may come to your rescue and say i remember you.it's only a job. what ever you do DO THE RIGHT THING.
I totally agree with you. 100%. When the Department see a pattern of complaints against one of their members they should take action against those officers immediatly.
People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. . . The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives."
- Theodore Roosevelt
4/02/2011 07:09:00 AM
Well Spoken!
Same old story. Callahan is still on the job so why don't these two just get their jobs back to? This place is a true joke.
I would like to comment on another comment that read "Now if these two had been accused of this type of behavior multiple times before then they SHOULD not have been working together"
The comment should read "They should not be working HERE"
Thousands of great cops get the negative trickle down impact of Union backing those who do vitually anything.
The union should protect the group as a whole. The union should not protect scum that infest the entire organization. Throw the bums out .... and if that thought bothers you maybe you are a bum
To all the goofs that blame the supervisors for the acts of 40 year old grown men I ask do you blame your mommy and daddy because you are still a blueshirt?
4/02/2011 12:51:00 AM
PUHLEASE!!!!!
Maybe if the supervisor would have rode their asses every 15 minutes this event would not have happened. There is alot of temptation up north. A supervisor should recognize this.
I work in 023 and know both of these "people". I don't know one single person who feels bad for them at all. That says a lot.
OUT THEIR CLOUT, put the heat on the clout also.
I can't remember--what happened to Abbate? Did he do time?
4/02/2011 07:34:00 AM
smartass.
I still can't believe that someone can be so stupid. Let alone two officers be this stupid.
4/02/2011 06:50:00 AM
and you're only twee years old.
go figure.
Maybe the Feds need to take over the CPD to change the culture of corruption that is so prevalent on the job.
Jody Weis was not the answer, a full Federal take over might be.
4/02/2011 04:42:00 AM
surely you jest.
When will the SOS indictments come down?
4/02/2011 04:39:00 AM
ask your mouthpiece.
What is the common factor here?
4/02/2011 04:38:00 AM
human nature.
Lets hope that Mayor-Elect Rahm Emmanuel breaks the cycle of corruption on the CPD that prospered under Mayor Daley's Reign.
4/02/2011 04:30:00 AM
ah, hope, the eternal pacifier.
who cares ,,we all will pay for it anyway
Uh... I figured that out about 6 years ago! And still straight down hill since then. I can't say I am enjoying this ride much. What a disgrace this City and our Department have become.
4/02/2011 03:30:00 AM
thank you for your support.
I was recently asked why I'm so jaded. Gee, I'm just not sure as to why?!
4/02/2011 01:32:00 AM
experience.
Silly, silly, silly. Just silly!
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power."
- Abraham Lincoln
--4/02/2011 07:09:00 AM
Mayor Daley -- F.
"Wait'll they, ha ha, you know, wait'll we, I mean, ha, wait. I'm, I'm, ha ha ha, gonna stick this up your butt!" (waving AK rifle)
The poster child for Seroquel XR...
How about LYING on your resume to try and get a job with another department, but being promoted further in this shit department in spite of your lies.
4/02/2011 06:11:00 AM
Now that's what I'm talking about. Alledgedly E.B. was a named offender in numerous case reports for the same allegation. Funny how nothing happens to this buffoon.
All I know is being a police officer is exhausting and very demanding. I come home tired every night. We need generous raises for our next contract.
People don't realize what a physical toll on our bodies a tour of duty extols.
After all the racial profiling, stopping people for no reason, planting guns and drugs on innocents, stealing their money, and participating in sex orgies..I'm wiped out by quitting time! Retirement can't come soon enough!!
Now for all the people who think I'm serious..chill out..I'm just fucking with you.
So I see there was no mention on the news about the 16 year old "child" shooting at the police and then accidentally shooting himself in the 10th district. Nope not news worthy, no one cares. But we step on our dicks and we are the front page etc..... For a month. Welcome to ShitcGo
You guys need to get on the National FOP site to really see what going on throughout this country, National FOP their asking for help to fight for our collective bargaining rights.
BOYS and GIRLS for once do the right thing get involved. National FOP.
Keep blaming the sergeant.
To all the goofs that blame the supervisors for the acts of 40 year old grown men I ask do you blame your mommy and daddy because you are still a blueshirt?
When attempting to Chastise others, please do it with a little more class. The statement above doesn't say much about your intellect either.
Maybe this act will convince the higher ups that we need more police in districts like 23 and 19....so on midnights we can have more of this type of incident happening....At least in the old days we were smart enough to go in the hole and sleep the night away...maybe put more guys on midnights in 23 so more guys will have nothing to do...or maybe Capt. TL should give 1st watch some of his missions to run so supervisors will know where the men are at all times..
This is getting more stupid by the minute. These slick dumbaas
I, like most will always side with a fellow officer until all of the facts are in, however this is a no brainer, these guys are done, and rightly so. I too am completely disgusted by what a shambles this department has become. Clout, Politics, Corruption, it's truly sickening. People like Cozzi get time in prison when Exempts not only walk away but get moved to better spots to live out their days until they can collect their fat pensions.I don't know what the answer is because all of us ultimately will pay for the actions of a few. inherently, Police Work is a Dirty Job, it's not always pretty, but then there are some things that are just unacceptable, and this is one of them. Maybe we do need an outsider/with a police background to come in and change this mess from the top down. I'ts a damn shame.
Off Topic:
1st Annual "Beverly Irish Orange Walk"
1PM, 12 July 2011, Beverly Park. Come out and celebrate Irish and Protestant Heritage! Music, Flute Bands, Games for kids! All welcome!
A good sergeant knows where all of his cars are -- all the time.
4/02/2011 09:48:00 AM
Yeah, because they passed psychic ability to us in the congratulatory handshake.
You're an ass.
Anonymous said...
Keep blaming the sergeant.
To all the goofs that blame the supervisors for the acts of 40 year old grown men I ask do you blame your mommy and daddy because you are still a blueshirt?
4/02/2011 12:51:00 AM
Yeah...if your parents were special then maybe you would have clout too and be able to join the Police Nobility...No clout. you're out!
TO:When youre a Sgt you get paid to supervise your personnel fully when they are on duty, Dope. Yes, you are sometimes like a babysitter, Mommy or Daddy, but thats your JOB.
You know it's amazing, everyone complains when a sergeant shows up at their job or actively supervises their people, but the minute something happens and hits the news, "they should have been supervised better"....Hang the sergeant, he or she didn't do their job....
Signed a Sergeant
OT
Let's get on this election for aldermanic runoffs this Tuesday.
Chicago fireman Nicholas
Sposato for 36th Ward. Rice is claiming "36th ward police and fire" endorsed him; was driving with a police medallion on his car and was never elected because the soon to be prisoner, Banks, just....quit. What a fat stupid joke he is. His literature is baffling. Did you know he was able to get 29 new police officers in the 025? Really, how miraculous! That district encompasses four aldermanic wards. He claims to have built libraries, a school auditorium and classrooms, gee, Johnny still cannot read.
He paves streets and curbs. Gee, I guess Streets and San and CPS don't do those things.
NICK SPOSATO ALL THE WAY PLEASE IN THE 36th.
Lt. John Garrido for the 45th. The kid will be good for the council.
1st Watch in 023 went to shit when Ralph Price was sent there as a Captain. All the good people and workers left asap.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
One of the commenters yesterday said that Bill Wallace refused to allow these two to work together, then they drifted back to each other since he retired.
Sure, Bill was doing CYA, but there had to be a reason for it.
4/02/2011 12:07:00 AM
Bill Wallace spent time in IAD and was probably given an inside headsup to watchout for these two dirtbags.
To all the scumbags that are joking and indifferent as to what these two animals did,
Just imagine if your daughter, wife, girlfriend, niece, etc had the misfortune of encountering these sick animals one night.
People like Cozzi get time in prison when Exempts not only walk away but get moved to better spots to live out their days until they can collect their fat pensions.
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Cozzi is a perfect example of the problem. Cozzi should have been fired. He does not belong in jail, but he should have been fired. There should be no such thing as a two year suspension. You should get thirty days for serious rule violations or you should be gone. Any time a policeman is convicted of any crime, be it a misdemeanor or even a DUI, they should be fired.
It's truly ironic that had Cozzi been fired, he would have never gone to prison.
penny?
Just wait until the SOS indictments hit, the CPD will be wallowing in more of IAD's coverups.
To all the goofs that blame the supervisors for the acts of 40 year old grown men I ask do you blame your mommy and daddy because you are still a blueshirt?
4/02/2011 12:51:00 AM
PUHLEASE!!!!!
Maybe if the supervisor would have rode their asses every 15 minutes this event would not have happened. There is alot of temptation up north. A supervisor should recognize this.
4/02/2011 02:12:00 PM
This blaming the Supervisor stuff is crazy. I don't work in 23 but Im going to guess there were one, mayby two Sgts on the street. And thats if they weren't doing a Spar, Cr, Log, approving Case Reports, on a Domestic, Major Incident or a number of other things the department has come up with for them to do. How about placing blame where blame needs be placed, on the stupid F$#k officers who "allegedly" committed this act.
We have had district commanders and watch commanders picked up soliciting sex acts during Operation Angel on the far north side. They were not even brought into the station. And their careers went on and on.
Let's not forget this.
A good defense attorney should subpoena every female cop that ever worked Operation Angel and ask for a deposi5ion.
why blame the SGT. we are all adults.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I just wonder how many more women will now come out from the shadows who've had encounters with these two.
4/02/2011 07:43:00 AM
Hopefully they go to an attorney or the FBI. If they go to the CPD, IAD will bury it.
Keep blaming the sergeant.
To all the goofs that blame the supervisors for the acts of 40 year old grown men I ask do you blame your mommy and daddy because you are still a blueshirt?
If they are on your log, then you are responsible for them. Isn't that part of your job? Isn't that why you are called a supervisor?
If not, then just what do white shirts do?
You should not be held accountable for their actions, that falls on them. What you will be held accountable for is why they were out of the district. Did they get permission? Did they go down on the air or at least on the PDT?
I love this stuff, you are the same coppers that would bitch and moan when a Sgt sparred you for not clearing from a job, or taking too long on lunch or not going to your job and coding it out, YET when one of your own F-up, it's the Sgt's fault for not doing all that you would cry about! Some of you coppers (not all) are unbelievable! Maybe if we start writing you up for all your infractions, then you can blame us for all your mistakes that we don't catch.
Lot's of $ going her way
I totally agree with you. 100%. When the Department see a pattern of complaints against one of their members they should take action against those officers immediatly.
4/02/2011 01:43:00 PM
Tell that to all the tact guys with multiple beefs for "false arrest" and "planting dope". There would be no one left on the street.
You are obviously not the police.
All the people saying the two morons from 023 are "clouted"...how much clout could they have working midnights on a beat car in a district? That just makes no sense at all. Where does the clout part come in?
Not related at all but in the forty sixth ward the outgoing leadership of the FOP endorsed Molly Phelan.
She has just been endorsed by the former leader of Couraj who has ties to CopWatch.
http://www.uptownupdate.com/2011/04/endorsement-tracker-marc-kaplan.html
Thank you outgoing President Donahue. Our dues money at work.
Phelan is a real estate tax attorney and has strong ties to Ed Burke. I guess Donahue knows where his future bread will be buttered.
The comments about IAD are pretty funny. Wasn't there a Sgt. who retired from there who tried to tell the bosses about all the coverups going on. Didn't he get all kinds of shit from post on SCC? Ya can't have it both ways! Until someone gets Kirby's hand out of IAD you're gonna have coverups!
4/02/2011 10:02:00 AM
Yes...but female and not a Sgt.
"IAD creates these situations by enabling the rapist/robber/thief/? to become bolder everytime they escape disciplinary action for their crimes."
This is so true, IAD never sustains anything. These so call agents get sgt's pay and they couldn't find water if they fell out of a boat. WTF!
Ok, here goes, for all those that blame the supervisor and want him to be accountable, you must look at what the department holds a supervisor accountable for. A Sergeant is tasked with logging his cars twice a shift, respond to domestics and respond to in progress calls. Along with that the are periphery duties, such as, investigate CR's, correcting uniform violations,etc. So the comment that a good Sergeant know where all his cars are all the time is incorrect. An employee that goes on a prohibited frolic is not the supervisors fault. The supervisor is tasked to deal with the employee caught on the frolic. Two distincly different things. So, as long the Beat car is present when and where logged and no illegal activity was occurring at that time the Sergeant is in the good. Some coppers need to comprehend that no one is held accountable for actions committed outside of their presence, without their knowledge. That is all.
4/02/2011 01:36:00 PM
and yet, strangely enough, all that occurs to me is: would a few paragraph breaks have killed you?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/04/01/2011-04-01_chicago_cops_under_investigation_for_allegedly_playing_strip_poker_sexually_assa.html?r=news/national
Because we are afraid to speak out- Because those that have said no--- I will not do wrong-- is called a rat. I had a WC(Dulay) tell me to violate a citizens right I refused to lie- guess what happened to me, I had to leave the dist, yet the WC called and spreed the word I could not be trusted.
Un-fucken real - how you have to fight on this job to do the right thing.
oh shut up. you can do right everyday. as long as you come in do your job the right way then who cares who thinks you can be trusted or not. ive been on for 25 years and sure i told alot of people no i wont do that. guess what they were talking to me later when i was the first to show up when they needed help. good cops are easy to find in this department but there will always be assholes who fuck up our rap. plain and simple animals are animals victims are victims
This reminds of a quote from super troopers
"Chief: A guy like you we used to take out back and beat with a rubber hose. Now you get to hide behind your damn unions."
That's what should have happened the first time other police officers found out about these shenanigans! maybe we could have avoided this embarrassment...fuck these assholes!
Sex Allegation Leads To Action On 3rd Officer
A third Chicago officer has been relieved of his police powers for an accusation uncovered during an investigation into recent allegations of sexual assault against two other officers in a North Side district, officials said this evening.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/news/
local/chibrknews-sex-allegation-leads-to-action-on-3rd-officer-20110402,0,3040321.story
Anonymous said...
OT----
Was at Battle of the Badges last night and ran into Rahm. Good to see the new mayor out supporting CPD CFD.
4/02/2011 12:56:00 PM
Right.
Was he telling any fire fighters or police officers about this shared sacrifice lower pension thing in his show of support?
In all this flurry of hateful postings about police not doing their job, raping and pillaging and such just remember that the on duty 024th District police responded to the call of a "woman calling for help" and handled the job right down the line, like they are supposed to.
How would anyone like to get a job like that and the woman claims she has been raped by two on duty officers? And you ARE the on duty police.
The 024th district seems to have handled this exactly right. They earned their pay that night, that was not a call any police officer would want to get but they did their job and remained professional.
Thanks to the 024th District personnel who got tossed the hornet's nest and dealt with it.
why don't you just slow down a little bit here ... do you really know even the accusations? I don't
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You don't...really? Read the newspaper, the blog, or better yet, the general case report. There seems to be just a little bit more than accusations here. Things like independent witnesses, articles of clothing and personal items left behind, etc....etc...etc.....we haven't even gotten into the crime lab stuff yet.
Why is everyone jumping all over the white shirts on this one? These 2 men are over the age of 35 and have a few years on the job. These goofs should know better. You can not do stupid shit like they are being accused of. If there is any truth to the fact that this has not been the first time they have faced accusation like this, shame on them. I am only a blue shirt but I still do not see how white shirts can be blamed for these 2 guys acting like complete savages. Also, don't forget innocent until proven guilty. They have not been tried yet, so do not be so quick to pass judgement.
Or maybe these guys should be made exempts according to your logic SCC.
For all you guys bashing the sergeant, you would probably be the same guys bashing him on the blog if he was checking on them constantly. As a sergeant you try to treat everyone as adults until they don't act like. Also supposedly the sergeant was the only one on the street that night.
Oh, that's the answer we need. Numbnuts, are you in THAT BIG A HURRY to be treated like a retarded, illegitimate, red-headed step child?
Hey I resent that comment. I happen to red headed and I was an illegitimate step child and I am a Chicago Police Officer, so I must be retarded.
Anonymous said...
Keep blaming the sergeant.
To all the goofs that blame the supervisors for the acts of 40 year old grown men I ask do you blame your mommy and daddy because you are still a blueshirt?
4/02/2011 12:51:00 AM
No! But your a supervisor and are being compensated handsomely to supervise. If the heats to hot for ya get outta the kitchen biotch.
Believe it or not this Dept. was more dysfunctional a couple decades ago.As a PPO 25 years ago,I was amazed and sometimes embarrassed by the antics of my co-workers.Drunk on duty,thieves,perverts of every type,murderers,wife beaters....I've pushed a beat car with all of the above during my career.I've lost count how many idiots on this job,that I personally knew have gone to prison,gotten fired or killed through some misadventure.Keep your nose clean.Don't get too involved with fuck up officers.Try to do your job with as little risk to yourself.Try to lead your life in an honorable manner and retire the first chance you get.
100 percent true, the only problem back then is that it never got the media attention it needed to get to fix the problem. Now the FNG is going to have to face the nasty side of criminals who love to blame all the police for the crimes of a few.
Lets hope that Mayor-Elect Rahm Emmanuel breaks the cycle of corruption on the CPD that prospered under Mayor Daley's Reign.
4/02/2011 04:30:00 AM
Really!?!? Last time I checked this the tiny dancer was part of the machine. Come on, don't tell me you think Obama is not a machine politician. As such he would make his chief of staff another machine crony. Before the end of the year think of the following...Meet the new boss, same as.....
Well said John Andrews..........
Even with these two derelicts, we should always be PROUD to wear the BLUE.
This is NOT what the Chicago Police Department is. Clout Babies. Hell yes.. Just look at Henny Penny, Down Town EB, and the other FOOLS.
Yes we all hang our head because of this, and other egregious things that have happened with members of the CPD, BUT we are ONE. We need to stand collectively and stand proud.
I look for a silver lining. The silver lining might just be some that wear the uniform don't try and use it as a pimp. They do what they are hired to do which is be "the police".
We all bitched about JFLED. Well this didn't happen on his watch. No one to blame but these two predators.
Blame the Sgt. NO.... We went through our Academy, we know right from wrong, we are the POLICE. We are to be trusted, we are to be feared when need be, we are there to be the good samaritan. We are not pushing a car to be PIMPS.
To the naysayers that say the supervisor needs to babysit is bullshit. WE ARE ADULTS. We are given police powers, we are the only people in Shitcago that can legally carry a gun. WE TOOK AN OATH to protect and serve, not an oath to SERVICE or be SERVICED. That is off duty. Big boys want to play the tough copper in a bar that wants to get his groove on because he has a star knock yourself out... Seriously though, on duty, on film, buying booze, running out naked of an apartment? GROSS to say the least a disgrace isn't even enough to say.
I will always be proud for wearing my uniform, and will always be proud of the family that is CPD. These two fucktards slipped through the cracks. Clout has to stop.
Whatever they get they deserve. They are subhuman. Using your uniform for a piece of ass, when their are wives at home? This is not HS people, this is life and death. So many lost this year, so many of us murdered, and all you are thinking about is scoring a piece of ass... She "allegedly" was drunk, impaired, possible mental, NO EXCUSE......
I know some of the supervisors in 023 on 3rd watch and I agree with an above poster. Maybe Capt TL's missions WORK, because it generates good police work, it makes you not rest on your laurels, it makes you hone your skills and help the District you are sworn to protect instead of this bullshit that is happening now. YOU are made accountable with police work and don't have the time to be Ron Jeremy.
Stay safe out there Officer's and don't hang your head, these two are the exception and not the rule for CPD. Keep fighting the good fight and wear that uniform proud.
This is just great.
All the comments sections are receiving comments that during Weis's time no scandals occurred.
Funny how the timing of this plays right into the John Kass & Phil Ponce interviews of Weis.
Anonymous said...
Keep blaming the sergeant.
To all the goofs that blame the supervisors for the acts of 40 year old grown men I ask do you blame your mommy and daddy because you are still a blueshirt?
When attempting to Chastise others, please do it with a little more class. The statement above doesn't say much about your intellect either.
4/02/2011 03:44:00 PM
Well then...your just a doody head, so there!
Aaaaaaand...
Just like clockwork? We will see the new generation of zero-tolerance intiatiatives instituted against the Police, the likes of which would make j-fled, ramsey, "cholly" williams and all of the other old haters of blue shirt clap and giggle with joy.
It didn't have to be like this...
On duty grab-assery & slack-jacking has gotten coppers fucked up, fucked with, fucked over, fucked around and just plain fucked almost as much as being sticky fingered, falsifying official documents, knowingly giving false/misleading court testimony and the like.
For the record... None of that is condoned, encouraged or acceptable.
It is now coming to light that these two jack-holes have a history
of pulling this shit?
These aren't the acts of Policemen... These are the acts of made members of Dude Inc.
Both of these idiots should've been on the logs of every supervisor in Area 3 so that way, their asses would have been too tired to fuck around after running laps all night... Make that ass check in with a supervisor every ten minutes for 8.5 hours...
(just kidding Area 3! no one deserves headaches like these two and yes, supervisors have enough on their plate)
They should have been launched after the first incidents came to light.
Who is their clout?
As one poster opined, there are too many guys and gals on the job who haven't outgrown the frat-house mentality.
Why don't the meatheads get it?
We're in a fight for our survival with public opinion, the media, the politicians and others turned resolutely against ANYTHING that would be construed as being in our best interest.
We've managed to outlast a cabal of overhyped feeb fools along with their piss-poor exempt appointments and walk their silly asses to a standstill by going into survival mode.
Public opinion was grudgingly turning around.
Now, two idiots in their never ending quest to get their dicks wet have caused us all to be a stink in the nostrils of the public.
This shit has gone fucking international!
Daley Inc. owes these two fools a debt of gratitude because this will be the perfect heat shield to deflect attention from what is REALLY going on.
Some elder subject matter experts say this is going to be worse than Summerdale and thanks to media saturation this will NOT be lived down for generations.
"On duty booty" has given the powers that be the keys to the engines of destruction for CPD.
One old timer had it right... "You gotta work this job like you have nothing but enemies."
The Patrolman's grief, pain and aggravation just doesn't seem to stop, doesn't it?
Anonymous said...
A good sergeant knows where all of his cars are -- all the time.
4/02/2011 09:48:00 AM
Yeah, because they passed psychic ability to us in the congratulatory handshake.
You're an ass.
4/02/2011 05:05:00 PM
Not an ass, just a good sergeant.
Wait a minute. CALAHAN and LESSNER are still on the job? You have got to be kidding me. What does it take to get fired? Honest to God!
Who has gotten fired and what did they do? They had to have killed a Catholic priest on an alter at High Mass.
If those two are still on the job, nobody can get fired.
this is what happens when we continue to lower our standards in the interest of political correctness
SCC, thank you for addressing the ignorant and disgusting comments that have been made since this story broke. I'm a little shocked by the comments I've heard my fellow officers make about the female and the officers involved.
We are here to serve and protect. When you are on duty, in uniform and armed with a weapon and you observe a person who is in distress and intoxicated, that person can't give you consent. Even if she wasn't intoxicated, you are in a position of power and authority.
The fact that she may or may not have set them up is not a factor.
They put themselves in the position they are in, not her. She is the victim. They are wrong. They should be fired, sued and criminally charged.
To all of my CPD friends:
I hope this recent embarrassment passes quickly & the media doesn't keep stirring the pot. We all have guys who don't belong, however, politics creates many of the problems we continually have to deal with daily. (Daley)
I, and many others understand all the good you do & also know that the dumb acts of one should not reflect on the whole.
I truly wish you all good luck, especially in these times when the Police are looked at as second class citizens by those they protect the most.
My best to all of you......Be safe!
Retired Cook County Sheriffs Police
Just a tip of the ole chapeau to the officer who stopped my daughter on Ogden around Wolf this evening. She related that she identified herself as the daughter of a Chicago Police Officer, and was treated with respect, given a warning, and sent on her way.
Thank you officer for your courtesy and professionalism.
Maybe this act will convince the higher ups that we need more police in districts like 23 and 19....so on midnights we can have more of this type of incident happening....At least in the old days we were smart enough to go in the hole and sleep the night away...maybe put more guys on midnights in 23 so more guys will have nothing to do...or maybe Capt. TL should give 1st watch some of his missions to run so supervisors will know where the men are at all times..
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sounds like they already have too many guys if these 2 were able to go and literally screw off for an hour and nobody noticed.WTF
..and then there was three...
Sex allegation leads to steps against 3rd officer
A police source said the third officer had a previous complaint lodged against him in connection with an incident involving another young woman one night he was partnering with one of the other two accused officers. Details of that complaint weren't available.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/news/local/chibrknews-sex-allegation-leads-to-action-on-3rd-officer-20110402,0,3040321.story
Well...sure gets the media off the mayors nephew thingy of a few years ago now doesn't it?
WRT: Clout.
Can we really expect anything different when it comes to clout?
Look around -- there's an election going on and the corporate money is flowing in big time for all Rahm's Fav aldermen right?
I'm gonna go with the poster just above about how well this must have been handled by the responding 24th district folks. Hard to imagine getting this clusterf***, but someone somewhere in 024 did the right thing here and handled this right. Good job guys!
All the comments sections are receiving comments that during Weis's time no scandals occurred.
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Well, they did keep it all under wraps didn't they? now it is coming out... none of it makes the Feeb's tenure here a good thing...
Anonymous said...
A good sergeant knows where all of his cars are -- all the time.
4/02/2011 09:48:00 AM
Yeah, because they passed psychic ability to us in the congratulatory handshake.
You're an ass.
4/02/2011 05:05:00 PM
Not an ass, just a good sergeant.
4/02/2011 09:08:00 PM
No; if you think you always know what your people are doing, you're delusional, not 'good'.
It simply isn't possible. If you are logging one car, nine to fifteen OTHER cars are NOT in your line of sight. You might wish you know what those other cars are doing, but in reality, you DON'T.
But you go on believing you're just that good.
I do not understand placing the blam on the white shirts. This is precisely the reason I turned down the sgt. position twice, by scoring high on the test. Did not want to be held accountable for the acts of f'ckn jagoff coppers.
I said 'no thank you' and have never lost a wink of sleep over those decisions. Unlike what my life would have been like if I'd taken the stripes.
OT----
Was at Battle of the Badges last night and ran into Rahm. Good to see the new mayor out supporting CPD CFD.
4/02/2011 12:56:00 PM
You are fucking clueless. He could give a rat's ass. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid. Dumbass!
Hey, everyone, just a heads up.... i'm not a cop, but letting you know that the Official Misconduct Statute has been ruled by an Appellate Court to mean a violation of a law passed by the General Assembly. That means, that simply violating a rule of the police department is NO LONGER means Official Misconduct (class 3 felony). Not anymore!
HOWEVER, what that DOES mean, is that the State's Attorney might start looking at the Armed Violence statute, which makes most almost ALL felonies carry at LEAST a MINIMUM additional 15 years in prison for HAVING a firearm on you during the commission of the offense. This includes almost ALL felonies, even perjury. So, it could be argued that wearing a gun while testifying, if it was shown to be a lie, would tack on an additional 15 years ON TOP of perjury. Even stealing, drug crimes, etc. So these dudes, might really be facing HUGE MINIMUM sentences.
Anonymous said...
Confirmed..another po was stripped last night in 023..he was a former partner of one of the currently accused..a cr was issued last year but was tossed..iad reopened it
4/02/2011 01:00:00 PM
You mean Deputy Brust tossed a cr like this. Wow!
Here is an idea.....why not rotate Supervisors every three months within their Area. This rotation will allow each Sgt, Lt, and Captain the opportunity to keep things fresh. Part of the problem is that bosses become tooooo familiar with the blue shirts and thus allow for dicipline to slide at times. This management rotation is not going to hurt the bosses because they would remain on the same watch but just another building. At this point what can you do? There will always be those very few who make it bad for all of us.
4/02/2011 08:52:00 AM
Hey, fuck you, how about we rotate you dogasses?
Shenanigans? That's that burger place that Farva likes, the one with with all the crap on the walls.
Anonymous said...
I do not understand placing the blam on the white shirts. This is precisely the reason I turned down the sgt. position twice, by scoring high on the test. Did not want to be held accountable for the acts of f'ckn jagoff coppers.
I said 'no thank you' and have never lost a wink of sleep over those decisions. Unlike what my life would have been like if I'd taken the stripes.
4/03/2011 12:40:00 AM
Just stay home and help the poor and volunteer at missions and enjoy your life.
At one time they had Ralph Price as the captain.
Shelia Magnus as a lieutenant.
AND NOW; Sarah McDermot as a lieutenant.
I would transfer to 004 to get away from that C-ccccccrazy shit!!!!
4/02/2011 01:04:00 PM
If that aint the truth!!!
After all the racial profiling, stopping people for no reason, planting guns and drugs on innocents, stealing their money, and participating in sex orgies..I'm wiped out by quitting time! Retirement can't come soon enough!!
I thought I was the only one exhausted at the end of these tours. It is nice to know I am not alone!!!
I do not understand placing the blam on the white shirts. This is precisely the reason I turned down the sgt. position twice, by scoring high on the test.
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bullshit. if you dont want the job, why did you take the test?
if callahan is indeed back on the job that is incredible--- now that is what you call whale shit clout.... callahan has nine lives and they should rename call back the callahan center....
I do not understand placing the blam on the white shirts. This is precisely the reason I turned down the sgt. position twice, by scoring high on the test. Did not want to be held accountable for the acts of f'ckn jagoff coppers.
I said 'no thank you' and have never lost a wink of sleep over those decisions. Unlike what my life would have been like if I'd taken the stripes.
4/03/2011 12:40:00 AM
Doubt it, but foolish on many levels, if true.
The only people RESPONSIBLE for this incident are the officers who were "allegedly" INVOLVED. It only takes a few minutes to do anything WRONG while on duty; and your supervisors DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO FOLLOW YOU FOR A WHOLE TOUR OF DUTY. Look at the sheets and you will see how many times we are short supervisors, and who wants to have theis supervisor in their face everytime they turn around?
PEOPLE, WAKE THE FU** UP AND ACT YOUR AGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I for one think that a whole bunch of idiots on this job, who are NOT able to work unsupervised, should be removed from the job...
Also, goofy people are in every organization (corporate, government, military, etc. etc.). However, POLICEMEN NEED TO REMEMBER-----YOU WILL BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDAR, and we should. We have one of the few jobs, where WE HAVE THE POWER TO LEGALLY TAKE SOMEONE'S LIFE OR LIBERTY for the general wellbeing of our society.
For all the people thinking we have a police culture of "covering up", let me tell you that MOST police officers do not have the time to follow a few bad apples around and catch them doing something wrong. There are units (Internal Affairs Division), who should be doing that. Maybe if they had more people investigating on the field, and less people hiding at HQ or god knows where, this type of thing wouldn't be happening!
Either way, this has me really pissed off. I take pride knowing that I am a police officer.
I just wonder how many more women will now come out from the shadows who've had encounters with these two.
4/02/2011 07:43:00 AM
With these two???? How about period! Some people may copycat and try to use this as an opportunity to get over to get paid or just jam an officer because they don't like the police. There are many of you that have integrity on this job, so please be careful...men especially.
I remember, back in the 90's when multiple complaints of sexual harrassment were filed against a Deputy Supt., who went on to fame in a nother top govt. job. Didn't hurt him a bit, did it? That is what has always been wrong with this job, people who are protected and promoted when they should be fired.
The poster is wrong. An armed violence charge against an on-duty police officer is inappropriate, according to a recent ruling by the Ill Appelate courts in the John Herman case. An on-duty police officer is authorized to be armed, therefore that law does not apply . Check it out for yourself. Stop trying to be a jailhouse lawyer and give bad advice.
You guys need to get on the National FOP site to really see what going on throughout this country, National FOP their asking for help to fight for our collective bargaining rights.
BOYS and GIRLS for once do the right thing get involved. National FOP.
4/02/2011 03:31:00 PM
Yeah no kidding. I just saw this on the National FOP website. Our Collective Bargaining Rights are being attacked. I know what these guys did is wrong but the situation facing all public/civil service employees is heating up fast and is so much bigger than these 2 idiots. Whatever comes after they're actions is gonna happen anyway (ie: micro-managing etc). I would rather have a pension and a say in our wages...some bargaining rights, etc versus worrying about how I'm gonna be micro-managed or tracked everywhere i go on the job. It's already here. We need to turn our focus, time and energy toward getting involved in protecting our collective bargaining rights & our futures. This is scary
A truth...
As surely as there are members of the general public who are goofs, clowns, morons, idiots, thieves, and just in general given to questionable conduct. There will be those who will also have the utter temerity to try and justify their questionable conduct.
In addition, there will also be those in positions of trust and authority who will be given to the same conduct.
Doctors, lawyers, CEO's, leaders of nations, generals, judges, kings, philosophers, scribes, church- men/clergy, members of mass media, local politicians etc, have ALL been well represented at the banquet of moral and ethical short comings/failings.
None of the above fell from the sky... The least common denominator is that where you have humans in positions of trust and authority, there will be some who will misuse & abuse that authority.
This thing that is happening now has all the strange and peculiar markings of being sourced from Chicago.
With all the other acts by those who seemingly have true power and privilege to move freely and unencumbered after grievous breaches of public trust and the letter and spirit of the law to pursue their own interests to the detriment of everyone else.
The so called "power, privilege and authority" of The Policeman is a pale imitation to that of certain select others who have so much more to be judged for than those who wear The Silitoe Tartan.
Yes... ALL of it should be exposed or else any talk of "held to higher standards" rings a bit hollow and smacks of the usual Chicago style wink & nod.
For what it's worth... It should be within The Policeman to have the discipline and the will to hold himself above and apart from the general public anyway. To have true authority means a clear demarcation as to the roles of The Police versus the public.
The waters (and roles) have been horribly muddied for the sake of political correctness, feel good, propaganda and spin.
Which is why we take such a dim view of resource sucking political zombies like CAPS. It is only an artifice of a political sort designed to lend the impression of a "partnership" but has only empowered politicians & clergy to carve out their own petty fiefdoms within CPD.
We've been reaping the results of
the corrosive and crippling influence of this in great abundance.
...But we digress.
Whither The Police?
The cries to send all to the gallows for the acts of a few are too loud for the powers that be to ignore.
Our instinct tells us there WILL BE RETRIBUTION in the guise of reform.
Taking a slighly skewed view of this incident... Was this flaming cluster-fuck precipitated by the notion of putting two goofs on the same car so when one or both of their explosive belts detonated, (from what we see, not so much a case of if, but inevitably, WHEN)they would be the only casualties?
thats a great idea and management tool , rotate all captains and lieutenants every few months
this will force sergeants to do their job and not allow sgts to leave early
captains and lts are to friendly with the sgts and police officers working for them
maybe captains and lts will actually do their jobs then
if that captain was a visiting captain he would not ask or order sgt to let it go
terry hillard do your job and reassign the non bod lts and all captains now
it's the best thing you can do for the cpd and save other officers problems
Anonymous said...
A good sergeant knows where all of his cars are -- all the time.
Explain exactly how that is possible? Especially when you assholes play games, like not changing your status or location like your supposed to do. The Sgts should start banging you for that bullshit!!
To the guy who posted that Bill Clinton did the same thing on duty, Monique Lewinski never accused him of sexual assault. You had no "victim" in that incident.
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