Bad Idea? Or Badly Executed?
Getting some interest in this topic:
- Why didn't all these gold stars say anything the last two years while the dept got totally turned upside down?
How could anyone in charge possibly let the dept get rid of captains and think this whole DSS thing is a good idea. Maybe if they promoted a bunch of luitenants and always have a LT there it wouldn't be a total cluster, but having sgts running a watch is just insanity.
Now there's in fighting between sgts and LTs as to who's in charge and who's running things. The sgt runs things dif then the LT when LT is off so the LT bitch at sgts but truth is the sgt is in charge when LT is Rdo so he can't say shit. Sgt needs to run It the way he deems fit. See how fast this goes south?
And someone else:
- I was working special the other day and we were talking about the same thing, Sgt.s as DSS and Lt.'s not liking what the Sgt.s do and then throw in the XO.....then I was told by a copper that there is supposedly a new rank/position for XO's called the "Operations Officer for District Law Enforcement", they got one in a north side district, supposedly they had a Capt. as the XO but now this XO is the District Operatons Officer which sounded like a replacement for the DC since I was told that this position covers everything a DC is supposed to do......What you hear SCC?
We've had sergeants acting as DSS's for over a year now. Is this experiment a success or a failure? It seems obvious that captains are to be phased out (again), and lieutenants are being made less prominent in the chain-of-command.
We're of the opinion that the command structure is failing badly.
(Yes, we saw the OODLE abbreviation. Sarcasm and Silliiess, remember?)
(Yes, we saw the OODLE abbreviation. Sarcasm and Silliiess, remember?)
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
144 Comments:
I think the new idea is to have a M.F.I.C. as the replacement for the DSS. And a H.M.F.I.C. as the replacement for the DC. You know the MF in charge of the watch and the Head MF in charge of the district. Works for me.
I agree, the rank structure these days seems to jump from sgt to commander. Yes, I still see Lt's and Capt's and XOs but its not a common occurrence. some days the LT is on the street, sometimes hes in the office and sometimes hes both. Some days its just the sgt in charge. its the most ridiculous thing ive ever seen. I really dont think its just poorly executed its just an overall bad idea. The district and chain of command was defined before. we had the sgts, lts, capts, and commander of the district. Everyone knew the role and everyone knew if you needed a specific thing who you would go and talk to. Now, I dont know who the hell deals with what. its pretty dumb.
nah, bad idea
We have a command structure? I was in the military. There was a command structure in place and it was pretty effective. Here, not so much.
Did Holman square get disbanded?
How about a little bit of both.
first of all the city is not paying sgts out of grade to be the dss--- second of all when a little beef pops up on the watch and someone has to make a decision how can a sgt make that determination possibly against another sgt when he is the dss--- this bullshit happened years ago when they did away with captains and the lts started fighting with each other--- guess what, they brought the captains back because someone ultimately has to be the boss--- the deptartment is being penny wise and dollar foolish....
It seems to me that all they want are commanders and sgt's. that's it. Phasing out capt, LT's, fto's.
Street Sergeants are more in touch with the needs of street police thus make the best DSS iz
Getting rid of WC's was a very stupid idea. The Sgt.'s that are the DSS don't want to be boss and could care less. We don't know who is running the watch and it seems like the Lt.'s don't care either because everything is so fucked up. It is obvious that everyone thinks 35th street is a joke and is just waiting for Mccarthy to go back to the east cost so things can go back to normal.
Every boss I have encountered has said getting rid of the WC was a bad idea. They all laugh at McCarthy. I'm starting to think the brass may hate him more than J-fed. His comcast meetings are a laughing stock and joke of the office after each meeting. They all laugh at how he acts like such a tough guy(only becaue he can)taking advantage of a helpless and captive audience. He knows the brass won't risk their rank and salary to tell him off. That would be like telling your father to go fuck himself just before he gives you the keys to the car for the night. He is a ballless wonder.
O.O.D.L.E???
O_o?
Operations Officer for District Law Enforcement??
OH COME ONNNNN!
Seriously?
Are Rahm and Garry laughing down their dicks at everybody again?
N.O.O.D.L.E?
Night Operations Officer for District Law Enforcement?
P.O.O.D.L.E?
Primary Operations Officer for District Law Enforcement?
T.O.O.D.L.E?
Temporary Operations Officer for District Law Enforcement?
>SMHATS<
This nonsense knocks us out of our square and makes us use the first person of address.
>Shaking My Head At This Shit<
The upward fucking of a one car, ass-clown funeral has just occurred.
*A smoking hearse with CPD insignia rolls by on four flats, with a rainbow colored coffin in the back... Holes cut in the lid with several pairs of red 37EE's sticking through. McIdiot behind the wheel grinning like a damn fool as he takes a pull to drain the last third of a bottle of Bushmills*
Not just a bad idea, an absolute failure!
This is getting ridiculous with DSS.
Everyday it seems somebody different is in charge AND all of them have there own idea on how things should be done.
What is really annoying is one DSS will tell you, "You have to make sure 'that' is in you arrest report." The next day, a different DSS is in charge and he will say, "Why the fuck did you put 'that' in the report. Take it out!"
It is annoying. They are contradicting each other left and right with things and then they talk shit like we don't know what we are doing.
Well, of course we don't know what we are doing when you stupid ass District Station Supervisors keep change what you want from day to day. At least when there was one WC or LT, we knew what to expect. Now it is a three ring circus.
What a bunch of fucking idiots who devised this plan!
Why didn't all these gold stars say anything the last two years while the dept got totally turned upside down?
It's called: I like my fancy, cushy spot and i'm not going against the current. Jarmusz tried that, what happened to him? 3hr ultimatum
There was a sgt assigned as dss first day as a sgt.
So PO to capt over night. No idea even how to be a sgt and now expected to approve arrests and all W/c duties when person doesn't even really know how to be a sgt yet.
At the very least they should only allow veteran sgt's to be dss. But really they need to have a LT ALWAYS as dss, otherwise it's just chaos.
"We're of the opinion that the command structure is failing badly."
the command structure is structurally unsound, due to the use of inferior materials, faulty design and, to add insult to injury, incompetent management and spastic implementation.
this bridge to nowhere is unsafe for use.
Off the topic. When is the next sgt. class ?
SCC:
i got this in my school email:
http://news.uic.edu/police-corruption-enabled-by-blue-code-of-silence
and
http://news.uic.edu/new-report-details-police-corruption-in-chicago
FYI
Apparently, no one ever explained to them the difference between “Being in Charge” and “Being left in Charge”. They can call the position whatever they want but there should be only one person responsible for the watch. And if you are not that person then you are just keeping the seat warm until they return. Now, what’s so confusing about that.
The people totally getting f%#?ed are the pos doing what the desk sergeant/acting desk sergeant used to/still does. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it the DSSs job to do all the inventories, be responsible for the prisoner $$ and bond $$, be responsible for all the prisoner property and jewelry inventoried and make sure it's all accounted for after every watch. The desk sgt ALWAYS did 90% of what the WC was supposed to do. Now you got officers that are acting desk Sgts , oops there are no desk Sgts anymore. So you in essence have pos doing and responsible for what a Lt or Cpt should be doing and responsible for. The guys in my district on third watch that do the desk sgt duties work their ass off and make a lot of decisions that the DSS should be handling but pawn off on them. It's not Uncommon for them to approve over 50 inventories some days. Not too mention all the other shit they have to do. These guys and girls should be filling grievances for outta grade lay everyday they get stuck with that shit. They SHOULD get CAPTIANS pay since they are really doing
Ridiculous. It's difficult to know who's in charge.
Many times the sgt dss is not as knowledgable as the other sgts. on the watch, who do you go to.
The position of Lieutenant has been watered down. The rank is nearly the same as Sgt. as both can and are the DSS on different days. Please get back to a desk Sgt. And have Lieutenants be watch commanders again. Everyone from officers to Sgts to Lts would probably agree that is the best approach. Be safe all.
I thought MJ was in charge?
Zone 1
As a lowly PO it's pretty nice not having to report to anyone that gives a shit anymore. After all if your not gonna pay the person to do the job don't expect them to do it.
Huge mistake. wait for the multi-million dollar screw up to present itself one of these days and all the money they think they are saving will be payed out and then some.
Welcome to the age old conflict between NCO's and Officers...
NCO's run the show, Officers are there to be the paperpushers...
(In a perfect world that is)
Failure. Getting rid of desk sergeants is #1. They had very specialized knowledge. Most of them were desk officers and had inner connections with all sorts of people who knew how to get shit done, especially esoteric court charges, branches and bonds. It was a pain-in-the-neck job, and very few others have any desire to master the technicalities.
The #2 mistake is their attempts to undermine the rank of LT.
My personal opinion is that most of the brass are afraid of lieutenants, and therefor either avoid them and cut them out of any informational loop, or try to snow them with phantom fires requiring lots of admin BS. This is the direct result of promoting people who never did their maturing time within a rank before promotion. If you were a merit LT for, say two weeks before getting whacked with the Midas stick, then you are afraid of the overlooked LTs that actually know what they are doing. Combine that with your inferiority complex that admits you were not good enough for the gold star, and worry that said LTs might have a loyal following, and you have the brass subconsciously hating that rank. They have completely undermined the authority and decision making abilities of the LTs and now are concentrating on eliminating another non-merit rank.
Think about it. They are trying to eliminate loyalty to any strong leader/personality on the job who might threaten them. They isolate a competent boss, then break em and force them out. Who's left? Scared people who will do what you say.
Totally F'd up. No wonder crime and Rahm are out of control.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't GMac steal this "DSS command structure" idea from NYPD? If yes, I'm just curious, how well is it working for NYPD?
The incompetence starts with Rham who doesn't know how to be a mayor and hired (and is listening to) this McGoof.
can we turn the clock back 10 years?
I have no respect for any of these gold stars. THEY ARE ALL SPINELESS BITCHES!
Anonymous said...
Why didn't all these gold stars say anything the last two years while the dept got totally turned upside down?
It's called: I like my fancy, cushy spot and i'm not going against the current. Jarmusz tried that, what happened to him? 3hr ultimatum
1/23/2013 01:03:00 AM
There WERE exempts who advocated against removing the watch commander position, trust me. A number actually told McCarthy it would be a bad idea, especially so soon after he took over ... that our "culture" was not yet ready for this kind of management change. He listened ... and then did what he wanted to.
When captains ran the watch there was bullshit, but at least you knew the bullshit. There was an understanding (unwritten, for those of you who can't read between the lines) there: you bring me the numbers, I'll take care of you. We were much happier with captains.
commanders are going to be phased out... wait and see
Yes, they are attempting to eliminate the LT rank eventually through attrition as they are doing with the Captain rank.
"Those who ignore history, are sentenced to relive it." There was a time when a Captain ran an entire district. The establishment of this insane and unnecssary Top Heavy rank structure developed under Orlando Wilson who was an academic, but also had been a military Provost Marshal in the post WWII occupation of europe. In addition, when the stuttering little piece of shit took office, at great expense he commissioned the Booze-Allen Study which said there was no need for Captains. For several years, we functioned without Capatains, then the rank was seen as a political bone to throw to loyal hacks, and the rank reinstated, this time as an "exempt" rank. One of the alleged reasons was that Lts. would argue as to who was in charge when there were two lieutenants in charge. HERE IS A SUGGESTION, IF WE ARE GOING TO PLAY WITH THESE RANKS AND PRETEND WE ARE LIKE THE MILITARY, MAYBE WE SHOULD CREATE FIRST AND SECOND LIEUTENANTS. ALSO SENIOR SERGEANTS, SO A SGT. WITH 10 OR 15 YRS OF SUPERVISORY EXPERIENCE, IS RECOGNIZED AS BEING MORE EXPERIENCED AS A SGT. THAN A MERIT SGT. PROMOTED LAST MONTH. All Sgts. and Lts. Are Not Equal, and Should Not be Treated as Such. If you doubt what I am saying, think of all the Sgts. and Lts. you have worked with, and consider whom you would want with you in a jam. Everyone knows, that there are Sgt.s that you would want, and others that you would not want, and you know why.
There is NO command structure.....McDickhead is the lone commanding officer.
Union busting at it best by eliminating the rank of Lieutenant
Terrible idea. We had a management structure that worked well, now it's f*cked-up. A new Sgt. shouldn't be thrusted into watch cmdr status when they still are trying to know their role as a new sgt on the street.
Get rid of the captains, get rid of this ridiculous "X.O." rank. The X.O.rank was created totally to absorb the failed commanders,deputies, etc. They get less responsibility, but keep the pay and other perks...this is insane and fiscally irresponsible. Get rid of the XO status, we don't need this management level and return them to their Lt rank and pay. This would save the city a few million right there.
It sounds like mayor dancing queen & McButtFucker are pulling-off the same strategy here in Chicago, that pres!dent muslim sisterhood is carrying-out in washington -- DESTROY FROM WITHIN!
McFuhrer visits THEE RANT.
Hilarious! Don't spill/snort your beverage.
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I am a sergeant and had never worked the desk or any inside position during my career. I have only the most basic understanding of the desk crew's duties. I was made the DSS without getting even the one day training that some sergeants were given. Guess what? When I am the DSS the desk bonding officer runs the watch because he has the knowledge that I dont. If the department does not give a shit I'll be damned if I do anymore either. I have talked to other sergeants who were in the acting roll for the day and they agreed that this is the best way to handle the present situation. I can't believe how far our department has fallen in such a short time. The good that comes out of the situation is that when I am the DSS I always look at situations from a officers point of view and not the ciy's.
Shut up and punch-in for stand-up roll call.
Hey don't worry Maria Pena has a Administrative sergeant working upstairs in her office what's s his title. Plus I thought that there were only administrative supervisors in headquarters. Who does she think she is the next superintendent or that triple merit bit of the apple means she can do whatever she wants because rules don't apply to her since she is untouchable. 010 used to be a great place to work. Pena ran that place into the ground in 1 month. Will the last person turn the lights out.
Oh yeah one more thing 1020 the former et you sir are a ass. No one likes you everyone hates you. And believe me no one respects you. Your job is to supervise us and not change the whole watch like the lapdog you are of Pena. You are so out of touch with patrol since for 99% of your career you were an et. Get to know the watch rather then throw your stripes around and bully everyone into submission you have been a sergeant for a few months you are not a salty know it all. Ass
Anonymous said...
I think the new idea is to have a M.F.I.C. as the replacement for the DSS. And a H.M.F.I.C. as the replacement for the DC. You know the MF in charge of the watch and the Head MF in charge of the district. Works for me.
1/23/2013 12:11:00 AM
What does M.F.I.C. and H.M.F.I.C. stand for?
Anonymous said...
It seems to me that all they want are commanders and sgt's. that's it. Phasing out capt, LT's, fto's.
1/23/2013 12:22:00 AM
Can you say NYPD!?
I believe that in the NYPD you have rank which is a pay grade, and positions, DSS, precinct commanders, heads of units, which can be commanded by different ranks.
Anyone from NYPD that can explain your command structure?
Put CTA Bobby in charge
There is no way gMac will eer go back to the way it was. He's too much of an egomaniac to admit that he made a mistake. He would much rather push ahead with a obviously bad idea then admit he was wrong.
All these abbreviations made me LOL!!!!!!
As a lieut I can say that they need the position of desk Sgt returned (or actor). I think having a second set if eyes on inventories and arrest reports is needed. In a slow district it's easy to handle both spots but in a busy district with 20 on the lockup...forget it.
And the XO nonsense? They should be put back on 3w as the WC. They have absolutely no use. They walk around like a lost child at KMart most of the time
What exactly do XO's do?
Sgt as DSS is working , most more qualified than the triple merit xo/captains . This will save cpd money . I would rather have 66 more blue shirts on the street . Get rid of the political hack merit promoted xo/captains .
Not in 022, Lt. Ryan (president Lt's Union) told everyone he is the Watch Commander and he screws with everyone to prove it. Sergeant's are at his control and are afraid to say anything to him. He would make a perfect gold star, just what McCarthy likes, someone who has never been the real police and likes putting officers down.
Being desk Sgt. is to the beat cop, what being the police is to a citizen. You have NO IDEA unless you've done it yourself.
Saw on WGN last night first law suit over big 007th District 10-1 and Police shooting. Knew it was just a matter of time, Mother and Sister of Robbery Offender claim to have been called the N word numerous times and JR was executed because he did not have a gun and was shot in the back. Lawyer said it is open season on young black men and the Chicago Police are just shooting them for no reason while they are unarmed. How much more of our pension money is the city going to pay out? Too bad the Myans were wrong because this city at least needs a major flushing...
How about Her royal highness Missus Tracy Lardner getting a 33 yr old asst Director? again civilian, again no police exp, again connected to our mayor.
A bad idea? Tell that to LA and NY and a few other major cities where sergeants run the watch. And, if the lieutenant on the watch orders the sergeant to do certain things when the LT is off, then that is how it must be done. I just dont understand the comment that the LT " cant say shit" about what the sgt does.
Anonymous said...
We have a command structure? I was in the military. There was a command structure in place and it was pretty effective. Here, not so much.
1/23/2013 12:13:00 AM
I also spent a lot of time in the army and the sergeants ran everything.Give them more credit. I think the confusion speaks more to the quality of people they are promoting to sergeant then to the system in place.
Yes getting rid of the WC was bad enough but here in 019, whoa, look the fuck out cause our XO is the Comnander, the inspector, the WC, the field Lt, and Sgt. all rolled into one little bully......see here in 019 we are all united, PO's, Sgt.'s and Lt.'s, we are all united together since our XO treats us all equally like shit, and I'm not joking. This guy has never met a copper he's liked and thinks everyone is a total dog. Our Commander is very approachable, and a gentleman but he got stuck with this clout heavy, low self esteem, classless bully XO, who was mediocre at best as a PO.
Can't agree more about bringing back desk sgts. They caught and knew how to fix almost every watch problem before it hit the w/c. Now there's nobody to turn to. The sgts don't want to be DSS so nobody cares anymore. It's more of a "get through the day" mentality instead of creating a good solid work environment.
Look at all the Bosses who jumped from SGT to Deputy because they drove the Mayor around,I know Sgts that are 100 times better.Po says
How do they do it in New York?
Off the topic. When is the next sgt. class ?
1/23/2013 01:13:00 AM
The day after you retire.
- Off Topic -
Thoughts on this:
Corruption fighter calls it quits in a town not quite ready for reform.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/marin/17733549-452/corruption-fighter-calls-it-quits-in-a-town-not-quite-ready-for-reform.html
As one old timer Lieutenant said, it was time to go when the job of Watch Commander became that of nothing more than a clerk and he couldn't help his people anymore.
Glad I am retired.
"We're of the opinion that the command structure is failing badly."
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Really? Ya' think? And nobody could have predicted this last year?
Where is Jody Weiss when we need him, he could straighten this shit out.
Now, how fucked up might all this be when we look to Jody as the law enforcement professional with common sense?
Seems sort of like Jody wasn't half bad at all now doesn't it? Remember when he said "If I gave cops a golden brick, they would complain about how heavy it was." Some truth there.
A friend put it like this, "Some people would complain if they were hung with a new rope"
- Off Topic -
Thoughts on this:
Inspector General: Chicago Cops Should Do Cop Work
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Inspector-General-Civilians-Fill-292-Chicago-Police-Jobs-188065041.html
Do not look to Rahm to step in. He doesn't know shit about the police department. He does not want to lose face by shitcanning another high profile appointment. He will allow McCarthy to bumble his was through some more. I think Rahm privately wishes McBoozebreath would get a dui or otherwise make it easy for Rahm to fire his ass.
I am the hmfic of my beat! HA!
"Bad Idea? Or Badly Executed?"
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I believe in proper executions. A firing squad at dawn with professional riflemen. Like in Utah. Now Utah knows how to carry that shit out.
One of the more recent cretins to be dispatched by riflemen was asked by the judge how he wanted to die. Ronnie Lee Gardner said "I'd prefer to die of old age, your honor, but if that ain't possible, I'll take the firing squad."
I heard a sgt.s class at end of January or beginning of Feb.
I seriously think their must be a secret agenda with Rahm N O T hiring the thousands of officers were short. He does everything, and I mean everything in his power to make excuses not to hire more, lie to the public, thwart information or come up with cockamamie ideas of better ways of policing which happen to all fail (pods, boxes, missions, wolfpacks, quotas). Is it to underfund the police pension even more, not getting new hires to contribute as 30-40 retire each month and take out? Is there another political reason behind it? There has to something for him to recklessly ignore what's going on in Chicago.
You also have situations like 018. A Sgt. Is the DSS on one watch while a Lt. Is the DSS that relieves Sgt. This Lt. berates the Sgt. and finds fault with all the work that has been done. This occurs even though this Lt. is afraid to work the street and has a personality disorder. The Lt. still bullies the Sgt. due to the higher rank. If the Sgt. fights back the Lt. will write the Sgt. up for insubordination.
Since the theme is cutting costs, i.e. repetitive spots, what should have been done is to eliminate the field Lt. and stay with a Lt. as the WC or DSS and using a Sgt. to fill the position on rdo's and furlo etc.... thus keeping a continuity of rank structure.....As for Captains they are strictly political spot, get rid of them or get rid of district commanders and make the position for a captain of the district. See saving money and some bs spots at the same time and no gold braid retirement pension......although all exempts should revert back to their civil service rank upon retiring for pension purposes.
I remember way back when the watch had a Sgt. overseeing every sector and a street Lt. overseeing them.
Anonymous said...
Did Holman square get disbanded?
1/23/2013 12:13:00 AM
Yes.
Rahm wants Hatchetman McNumbnuts to destroy the Command Structure of the C.P.D. for one reason.
By eliminating positions of Captains, Lieutenants and Sergeants and moving their responsibilities to lower and lower ranks he will not have to pay Captain, Lieutenants and Sergeants.
Also Rahm will not have to pay people who would not support and vote for him, Quinn, Preckwinkle, BHO and their Socialist agenda for America.
More importantly, come 2015 when the city will have to pay increased pension payments to more fully fund the pensions of CPD and CFD personnel there will be less Captains, Lieutenants and Sergeants to pay the higher pensions liability.(*)
The CPD, the CFD and the public be damned and will pay the price in blood and property losses.
*(Now watch some Rahm/McCarthy troll say we shouldn't pay the increased pensions of Captains, Lieutenants and Sergeants.)
With all the shit being desperately flung against the wall of Policing & Being THE Police by Garry "I Intentionally Fucked-Up Policing In Chicago" McCarthy in hope that SOMETHING actually sticks?
Is there any exempt who actually REMEMBERS what that wall looks like?
Oh wait... They've all been chased away and they took ALL their institutional knowledge with them.
The zeal to "re-boot" CPD outweighed any passing notion as to the long-term consequences has resulted in the organizational inertia and operational gridlock.
Policemen are policing solely for the sake of financial and career survival and staying out of the federal jackpot.
The command and exempt echelon are demanding that Policemen subject themselves to the above harm so the command and exempt echelon can look good at compstat.
Bullshit... They won't be the ones sitting in the federal hot seat. They'll be long gone with a stolen 100K+ pension.
They depend so much on Policemen having short memories...
Wasn't there already litigation here in Chicago regarding stupid shit with contact cards a few years ago?
Who do you think is going to get hurt when the Feds end up revisiting this issue?
Blue Shirts... Only the Blue Shirts...
Is anyone paying attention to the Feds following McToughGuy everywhere he's been?
Pending Litigation - Stop & Frisk: NYPD... People running for cover trying to save themselves.
Pending Litigation - Stop & Frisk: Newark P.D. Same damn thing.
McToughGuy is toxic... Things tend to die wherever he decides to hang his hat and visit.
All this talk about McCarthy and what he has done. From comstat to his personal life with all his drunken antics is nothing compared to what i saw this weekend. Mccarthy on Rick simon's boat over the summer. Yes that Rick Simon who is mob connected and who won the Ohare maintenance contract from Rahm. When you see this tape and when Rahm see's this tape everybody will question how Rahm could have picked this guy to run the C.P.D. It is totally astonishing and an eye opener!
All this DSS, XO, etc. is about money, plain and simple. Lts don't get out of grade anymore. I would imagine Lts don't get detailed out anymore as a District sgt can be DSS so no out of area money. Glad I got out when I did!!
Off topic - but Lt. LP now XO???
Wouldn't that make the guy who sits in the Desk Sergeant's chair the "Assistant Station Supervisor, Head of Administration & Tactics?"
ASSHAT
I have been retired almost 6 years. I cannot imagine a watch functioning very well without a watch commander. As for lieutenants, many of the exempts are troubled by some of the older and wiser ones. If you look at their history, the majority of exempts were only watch commanders for a very, very short time. Most are merit and move right up to exempt after a brief stay. A very competent WC is worth his/her weight in gold to a commander. The way I read this phony division of duties , it is a joke and a travesty to the working beat person.
Anyone who thinks the bosses on this job care about anyone but themselves is a fool. To wait until the day you retire to give your real opinion is like admitting you were a coward the whole time.
I/F says....
Just like the suburban PDs. You go from Sgt to commander! No such thing as a Lt. That way you are an exempt always worrying about being busted back to Sgt.
You are always looking over your shoulder because the fall is too great.
Can somebody downtown come up with an offer for 15 and out? I'll gladly take 30 percent payable when I reach 50 years of age and move on to career #2....
Bring Captains back? No thanks. While I have been lucky to work for a couple of decent ones, too many of them were egotistical jagoffs. Notice how a lot of the new commanders are total pussies because they are younger and cant retire immediately if they dont like the way things are going? I can only imagine the group of winners they would promote to Captain under this regime of retards.
How much time do some of you posters have? Be your own leader. I can't even remember the last time I needed a Sgt for help much less the watch commander. At least where I work the majority of the sgts are down to earth and on the patrolmen's side. The Lts are too busy running around with the extra work load to be micro managing me about contact cards and other such nonsense. This system of chaos works just fine for me.
The old Captain chain of command only worked when we still had the good ol boy network of bosses running this dept. Thats all gone now.
So many good bosses have left in the last six months. I think we are left with the ass kissers and the delusional.
The bottom line is this: whoever succeeds this regime at city hall and 35th street has their work cut out in fixing this absolute mess that was deliberately created in this dept.
>>Anonymous said...
I have been retired almost 6 years. I cannot imagine a watch functioning very well without a watch commander. As for lieutenants, many of the exempts are troubled by some of the older and wiser ones. If you look at their history, the majority of exempts were only watch commanders for a very, very short time. Most are merit and move right up to exempt after a brief stay. A very competent WC is worth his/her weight in gold to a commander. The way I read this phony division of duties , it is a joke and a travesty to the working beat person.
1/23/2013 02:13:00 PM<<
That is exactly was has been happening in 010. The good old school bosses had built good watches with good camaraderie. When Pena moved in she was amazed at how well things worked there and received praise at ComPost meetings for it. For a while the 10th District has been running on it's own inertia but as time goes on and the toxic effects of McNumbnuts creep into everything morale and activity will continue to fall.
Anonymous said...
I am a sergeant and had never worked the desk or any inside position during my career. I have only the most basic understanding of the desk crew's duties. I was made the DSS without getting even the one day training that some sergeants were given. Guess what? When I am the DSS the desk bonding officer runs the watch because he has the knowledge that I dont. If the department does not give a shit I'll be damned if I do anymore either. I have talked to other sergeants who were in the acting roll for the day and they agreed that this is the best way to handle the present situation. I can't believe how far our department has fallen in such a short time. The good that comes out of the situation is that when I am the DSS I always look at situations from a officers point of view and not the ciy's.
1/23/2013 08:10:00 AM
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You started out by saying that you are a Sergeant, well man (or woman)
up and act like one. Take a little time and effert to learn what goes on at the Desk. Believe me it isn't rocket science. Your job as DSS is to make sure that rules are followed, especially those of arrest, search and siezure. Take some time to learn those too. You really do represent the city in you spsot, but usually by making sure that rules and procedures are complie with, you will keep everybody out of the shit. You must also learn to say NO at times. Get into the job and develop some self respect that you are currently, clearly lacking.
Get rid of captain position, politcal at best.
Get rid of DSS position.
Bring back desk Sgt.
Bring back Lt as watch cmdr.
I hear at Sgt training, they were given a 1 hour lecture on how to be a DSS .... this is not good business practice by any means, let alone sound public service practice. Unbelievable... the leadership decisions made here are pathetic and totally irresponsible.
Who is responsible for f*cking up the command structure? City Hall or 35th street, or both? Someone has to take responsibility for this mess. Dare any of the "investigatire reporters" want to take this on????
According to the department's stats on litigation they have found by having a sergeant act as a "DSS" that the department as been sued less as a result of "in custody" matters and "issues regarding to probable cause".
Just throwing the numbers out there.
I was a car commander, once. Now my partner never let's me drive. :(
When you see this tape and when Rahm see's this tape everybody will question how Rahm could have picked this guy to run the C.P.D. It is totally astonishing and an eye opener!
1/23/2013 01:31:00 PM
actually, no one questions how, or why.
it's not at all astonishing, if you've had your eyes open to begin with.
A friend put it like this, "Some people would complain if they were hung with a new rope"
1/23/2013 12:10:00 PM
not for long.
Lawyer said it is open season on young black men and the Chicago Police are just shooting them for no reason while they are unarmed.
1/23/2013 09:23:00 AM
if this were true, not only would i not have time to share my 'chalkieisms' with you, i wouldn't even have the time to check my package.
Chalkie
This will save cpd money . I would rather have 66 more blue shirts on the street . Get rid of the political hack merit promoted xo/captains .
1/23/2013 09:04:00 AM
do you really think that any money 'saved' is going to make it to the department budget?
What exactly do XO's do?
1/23/2013 09:01:00 AM
when properly deployed, they make 'tic tac toe'.
can we turn the clock back 10 years?
1/23/2013 05:36:00 AM
sure.
just don't expect that prostate to return to it's former size.
>>> Anonymous said...
Since the theme is cutting costs, i.e. repetitive spots, what should have been done is to eliminate the field Lt. and stay with a Lt. as the WC or DSS and using a Sgt. to fill the position on rdo's and furlo etc.... thus keeping a continuity of rank structure.....As for Captains they are strictly political spot, get rid of them or get rid of district commanders and make the position for a captain of the district. See saving money and some bs spots at the same time and no gold braid retirement pension......although all exempts should revert back to their civil service rank upon retiring for pension purposes.
1/23/2013 12:55:00 PM<<<
Troll Alert: The above was written by Rahm/McCarthy Troll who knows that in 2015 the city will have to pay more of their pension liability. This applies to any rank or position who pays 9% like anyone else.
Rahm/McNumbnuts want to slide the responsibilities to lower ranks without promotion or pay/pension increases.
Rahm needs the money for Maggie Daley Park and the Wrigley Field renovations.
M.F.I.C. and H.M.F.I.C. are the only ways to straighten this nonsense out!
Mass confusion.
Anonymous said...
Not in 022, Lt. Ryan (president Lt's Union) told everyone he is the Watch Commander and he screws with everyone to prove it. Sergeant's are at his control and are afraid to say anything to him. He would make a perfect gold star, just what McCarthy likes, someone who has never been the real police and likes putting officers down.
1/23/2013 09:07:00 AM
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Not a fan of his, and yes he never has been the Police but he's only screwing with the few PO's that are totally worthless and refuse to do ANYTHING, including assisting on jobs. He's done more to try to improve the 2nd watch than his counterpart, who gave the females whatever they wanted and had no clue how to run a watch.
As for "Sergeants are at his control and are afraid to say anything to him", you need to get a life. The Sgts are pretty decent and if 5 of the 6 are successful bidders, how could they be "under his control"? One has been a Sgt for 10yrs and the other 5 have been Sgts from between 14-18 yrs, with all 6 Sgts having 26+ yrs on the job.
Maybe if you did something, anything, you'd be left alone.
Ray HAmilton's a LT and he still will get his CPD Pension
Doesnt he have to come back in a year from Cook Country?
Anonymous said...
How about Her royal highness Missus Tracy Lardner getting a 33 yr old asst Director? again civilian, again no police exp, again connected to our mayor.
1/23/2013 09:24:00 AM
It is hard to imagine how fucked up HR has become. They have completely messed up the new recruits benefits. Recruits without paychecks, double checks, deposits to the wrong bank.Then denial of insurance benfits, recruits unable to visit a doctor,
even with the insurance premiums deducted from their check. It is so overwhelming the amount of problems HR has created. I do not blame the employees in the office, but Ladner. She is in denial of the problems that exist. Ladner should be embarassed.
Who would want to be in charge of anything on CPD???? The Dept is a total Joke run by losers and wannabes BlackOps terrorist fu fus
Meahler why is He Commander of ERPS? Cant a LT run that too
Now that's a Joke that isnt even funny
Promote Military Veterans now that women and gays can serve
the CPD has been in trouble for some time, but.....since the dancer and GGoof, it has declined to new depths....a shame, really....
Desk Sgt's and Watch Sec did all the work
1/23/2013 12:11:00 AM
What does M.F.I.C. and H.M.F.I.C. stand for?
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Motherfucker in charge
Head motherfucker in charge
o/t:......the Sgt's are going to a meeting where they are told that (paraphrasing), according to the court decree in the Shakman case, no one in the city, in any department, at any level, is to inquire, or use political considerations in their hiring, assignment, or promotional decisions.......are they F$$$$$ kidding?.....in a city that is the worst, or one of the worst, in historical political and financial corruption, they don't think that, because one person doesn't "ask" the next person about their political connections, that they don't get the job, or a promotion, because of who they know?......how about subpoening phone records, text messages, bringing folks (including the mayor) in before a grand jury, to testify under oath as to who he hired, and why......just for starters...
anyone get there CU for Super Bowl?
We have a command structure? I was in the military. There was a command structure in place and it was pretty effective. Here, not so much.
Ha HA Cloute system here Sokme work others dont
The Capt. rank went to hell after Capt Mags retired!
Anonymous said...
Did Holman square get disbanded?
1/23/2013 12:13:00 AM
Yes.
They are filiming Chicago Fire there tomorrow. They need media trolls as extras. Start time is 5 am.
Anonymous said...
I think the new idea is to have a M.F.I.C. as the replacement for the DSS. And a H.M.F.I.C. as the replacement for the DC. You know the MF in charge of the watch and the Head MF in charge of the district. Works for me.
1/23/2013 12:11:00 AM
What does M.F.I.C. and H.M.F.I.C. stand for?
1/23/2013 08:29:00 AM
Shouldn't you already be in grade school by 0829hrs?
Anonymous said...
What exactly do XO's do?
1/23/2013 09:01:00 AM
Hugs. Kisses.
M.F.I.C. & H.M.F.I.C.??
E.Boone setting the record straight at Bud Billikin a few years back...
Funny shit...
Technically, it was a 4 hr block. But when so much shit is thrown at you at once, it might as well have been 15 min.
Oh yeah, police legitimacy was all day.
What to XO's do? Good question. They are usually the failures of former commander spots, people who couldn't do their job as commander. So instead of demoting back to their rank, usually Lt or Capt., they find a "spot" for them and tag the title "XO" or Executive Officer. They maintain their commander pay and actually do less for the same amount of pay, less responsibility. Sometimes they will get a take home vehicle and other cmdr perks, but basically less responsibility. It's a fiscally irresponsible practice, these people should be put back in the districts where they need Lt's and capts to run the watch. However, due to political correctness and these folks incapable of managing, they land softly and make the big bucks hidden somewhere with the XO title. Another reason this dept is top heavy with managerial fools and not enough police officers.
Homan Square - The sale by the city has been finalized. notice will come out very soon that everyone must be vacated by 01 May.
One of the little guys cronies bought the property from kedzie to homan. This guy is going to develope the property into a large mall.
No one knows where all the units there will be relocated to. The city already got their sale $ and the CPD was notified just Tuesday. Jersey city cannot get an answer were to move these units from the hall. So get ready to move guys and gals. I wonder how many of the hair gels will like working in the 010th. district. EAPS might move way South for the majority of people who get their items inventoried live South.
This is not bull guys , ask the right people at Homan about the move.
I think a mall there would be great for the W/S. People there might find work.
I've been on the job quite awhile and this is the first time that i CANNOT figure out what the command structure is. we don't have a MFIC or HMFIC we have NMIC - no mutherfucker in charge.
Anonymous said...
Anyone who thinks the bosses on this job care about anyone but themselves is a fool. To wait until the day you retire to give your real opinion is like admitting you were a coward the whole time.
1/23/2013 03:02:00 PM
Well, giving your opinion when asked is one thing and is usually encouraged by any company. But, giving your opinion and blasting your bosses and the company policies when not asked will get you fired in the civilian world and should get you suspended in the police world. Who in the hell did you work for before coming on the job? Or did you work ? And, you are right, most gold stars dont care about you. But, I often wonder why so many people show up for promotion parties especially when you have to buy your own ticket? Who is the fool now?
Does anyone know what the job of XO is? The XO in 008 just hangs around the front desk and bullshits with anyone who will listen to him. Oh yeah, I forgot, he spent 3 weeks on getting new beat tags for the cars and now the sergeants have pass them out at rollcall and collect them at checkoff everyday.
#1.H.M.F.I.C. dammit! Know your hierarchy!
The desk Sgt's should go back to the street. Example the rumer starting 3rd watch desk Sgt in 009. She loves to talk trash about everyone, especially 2nd watch personnel. Put her non-police back on the street.
Homan Square - The sale by the city has been finalized. notice will come out very soon that everyone must be vacated by 01 May.
One of the little guys cronies bought the property from kedzie to homan. This guy is going to develope the property into a large mall.
No one knows where all the units there will be relocated to. The city already got their sale $ and the CPD was notified just Tuesday. Jersey city cannot get an answer were to move these units from the hall. So get ready to move guys and gals. I wonder how many of the hair gels will like working in the 010th. district. EAPS might move way South for the majority of people who get their items inventoried live South.
This is not bull guys , ask the right people at Homan about the move.
I think a mall there would be great for the W/S. People there might find work.
1/24/2013 04:58:00 AM
Lots of vacant office space at 5555 W. Grand.
o/t:......the Sgt's are going to a meeting where they are told that (paraphrasing), according to the court decree in the Shakman case, no one in the city, in any department, at any level, is to inquire, or use political considerations in their hiring, assignment, or promotional decisions.......are they F$$$$$ kidding?.....in a city that is the worst, or one of the worst, in historical political and financial corruption, they don't think that, because one person doesn't "ask" the next person about their political connections, that they don't get the job, or a promotion, because of who they know?......how about subpoening phone records, text messages, bringing folks (including the mayor) in before a grand jury, to testify under oath as to who he hired, and why......just for starters...
1/23/2013 07:37:00 PM
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A meeting with the sergeants? Since when do SERGEANTS have the power to fire or fire?
Did Holman square get disbanded?
Yes. As a cost & manpower-saving measure, you now have to take inventoried property home.
It seems to me that all they want are commanders and sgt's. that's it. Phasing out capt, LT's, fto's.
They're phasing out PO's, too. We have fewer than in the past.
Why didn't all these gold stars say anything the last two years while the dept got totally turned upside down?
A few did. They saw the handwriting on the wall and retired.
Same thing with Weis.
What does M.F.I.C. and H.M.F.I.C. stand for?
Google it.
What exactly do XO's do?
Hug n' Kiss, silly!
A meeting with the sergeants? Since when do SERGEANTS have the power to fire or fire?
1/24/2013 10:44:00 PM
Meant 'hire' or 'fire'.
Meant 'hire' or 'fire'.
1/25/2013 10:12:00 AM
we kinda figured that out.
I call Bullshit on Homan Square being sold, right now there is an internal struggle going on to find parking places for the ET'S and they just sank a ton of money into a new Firearms Lab on the 3rd floor, so this is total BS<>
It comes to two issues, 1)DIGNITY and 2)RESPECT. Treat people as you would want to be treated. Much of this b.s. is about rank. Why not treat people like they are on the same team? Look at the guy that runs Costco!!!
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