No Beretta 92 FS Allowed
This is the new sign the State Police are making available on-line for businesses to post banning handguns on the premises:
- With some businesses eager to let people know guns aren’t welcome, the Illinois State Police on Friday released the official sign to indicate a concealed carry ban.
Businesses can download the state-approved sign for banning concealed carry on the Illinois State Police Web site.
We read this as all Beretta 92FS weapons are banned. So if you carry a Glock, Smith and Wesson, Ruger, Sig, or other handgun, you ought to be fine.
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
101 Comments:
So you can still carry a Smith?
Does a 92 d apply? That's what I bought out of the academy! Here I'm teasing these hair gels with their stricking fires all the while they get the last laugh
Great. I carry a S&W Mdl 19 snubby. It's not even a semi-auto.
gee, how much does beretta get paid for using a likeness of their product i wonder.
say what..
this is soooo racist. demonizing their gun like this.
it's outrageous, egregious, preposterous, and discriminatory.
so when does the lawsuit hit. call jackie chan.
Does anyone know if this also applies to off duty officers, and retired officers qualified to carry a concealed firearm?
Gun free zones = kill zone. Easy pickings for any loony off the rails. Google Lubys,Texas restaurant shooting. Practically the birth of concealed carry, then maybe Miami back in the late 80s when Florida started concealed carry to protect cabbies from stick up. The cabbies started shooting back !
These businesses had better have their own security or they'll be up for lawsuits if worst case scenarios happen.
Keep calm and carry anyway.
Does this include off duty Police officers? I think it does because Cellular Field and The United Center are not allowing off duties to carry inside. I believe that any private property owner can refuse off duty armed officers admittance if they choose. Don't get caught in the switches and start an argument over this. With Rahm as mayor you will lose.
So all you kids out there that used to poke fun at the old timers for their 'wheel guns', now it pays off!
Anonymous said...
Does anyone know if this also applies to off duty officers, and retired officers qualified to carry a concealed firearm?
10/12/2013 01:02:00 AM
NO it does not
It only applies to the black 92F; stainless is OK.
Ha! 'They' knew better than to try screwing with the venerable 1911 ;-)
Cocked, locked, and ready to Rock, Doc!
Do these signs carry weight of law? In Iowa, the posted stores employee can ask you to leave. If you refuse, they can call the PD and they will ask you to leave. Only if you refuse the officers request can you be cited foe trespass. Of course most of us here understand that concealed means concealed. I've never been asked to leave anyplace.
This DOES NOT apply to off-duty and qualified retired law enforcement.
I just gotta ask . . .
Isn't the red slash facing the wrong direction?
Does this mean we automatically arrest some citizen in one of these marked establishment, who prints as carrying?
They can post all the stupid signs they want. I'll carry what I want when and where I want. If and when I have to use it, they can sort it all out. What are they gonna do, call the police THEN.
Hey SCC! Doll that sign up a little bit. Robbers welcome. Mass shooters get a free cup of coffee.
Fuck these assholes. Law abiding gun owners aren't welcome to enter into their establishment? How stupid can these business owners be? Fuck em. They deserve to be robbed. They just declared open season on themselves with these signs in their windows. Cull the heard of liberal morons. They drank the kool-aid. Ha ha ha
Oh man hahahah. Going to print a ton of those out! Gonna put them on businesses I don't like
Just to show how the pols in this state think, the first actual permits won't be issued for nearly six months, but the ISP got right on issuing the signs to keep permit holders out.
Anonymous said...
Does a 92 d apply? That's what I bought out of the academy! Here I'm teasing these hair gels with their stricking fires all the while they get the last laugh
10/12/2013 12:54:00 AM
You're a tard.
I will always carry regardless, just like I do now when I go boating
It is called concealed for a reason.
Good. Post them clearly, right in the front window, so I, and Millions of other Law-Abiding Gun Owners know where NOT to do business.
Boycott any business displaying the sign and be sure to tell the the person in charge that you feel "unsafe" in his or her establishment because of the sign. What next, the "No Colords Allowed" sign?
LMAO, and let me get this right, you have a sign and people will comply with it? I guess all those signs in 011 and in 007 saying
NO CAR WASHING
NO LOUD MUSIC
NO GUNS
NO DRUGS
NO HOES
NO PIMPS
NO SWEARING
NO KILLING
NO BALL PLAYING..........
all these signs work? Are people truly this stupid? I am laughing my ass off.
Lets make a large sign and put it up at city hall......
HIRE MORE POLICEMEN!!!
what about the Beretta 92 FSC (compact frame) can i slip by with this model?
If they don't ask, you don't tell.
01:02
Read the law, then kindly shut about it for the obvious reason.
I wonder if the state got Beretta to approve the sign since that image of their gun, I would assume, is copyrighted. Wouldn't that be interesting to see a suit for copyright infringement?
I know what business the bad guy will be looking for?
My view is that when concealed carry licenses start to be issued, Chicago alderman, pastors, community activists and other govermental shakedown artists are going to pressure business in their wards in the spirit of "cooperation" to display these handgun ban signs. If they do not, requests to the alderman for service will be ignored or take forever to get a response or there will be "community boycott" or other such BS. Mark my words. This is the new Safe Passage sign.
OOOOHHHHHH! This should solve all the problems. If only all those carrying firearms illegally could read.
My.Greenwood Hillbilly :
Exactly ! And if the joint gets stuck up, I, personally ain't doing shit about it. Of course if there is harm to people, that's a different story.
But otherwise, take the money.
So a business can make up laws that affect the Constitution?
I recall signs that stated no blacks can eat inside.
I recall men only clubs having to accept women members.
I recall catholic churches who had to pay for birth control for employees.
So my brother you may want to jump on this potential ghetto lottery!
I would think that this would not apply to retired and or off duty, but I don't know for sure. I know that they will make you check your weapon at both Soldier Field and U.S. Cellular Field.
@01:02:00
LEOSA does NOT supersede state law, therefore these signs have force of law against anyone EXCEPT ON-DUTY law enforcement officers. Off duty, retired, out-of-state LEOs must follow these signs.
Prior to the establishment of these signs, we were allowed to carry anywhere off duty. Now that we have these signs, we are restricted. In essence, we are in the same "fight" as our ccw "brothers" for freedom to carry. States such as MO do NOT recognize these signs do they may carry in most places.
When you are ON DUTY, remind the store owners that after you end your shift, you would no longer be allowed in their store due to the sign. Lets change some hearts and minds!
They need to post these signs on the safe passage routes.
Unfortunately, Chitown thugs read no international language signs.
The Teacher
Illinois' concealed carry maybe a terrible, cruel joke -- to expensive, too much "training" and too many restricted places. None of which will impact Thug.
" Anonymous said...
Does anyone know if this also applies to off duty officers, and retired officers qualified to carry a concealed firearm?
10/12/2013 01:02:00 AM"
Retired officers covered under federal law have to abide by these signs. Unlike Prior to the CCW law where there were no "banned areas" the federal law says that retired officers carrying under LEOSA must conform to state laws.
So prior to Illinois CCW you could have carried into a bar or bank, etc.
After... you must abide by the banned places and these signs.
Better sign: "For the safety of or staff and patrons one or more of our employees may be carrying a concealed firearm."
So the NFL does not want Off Duty Police Officers to carry their concealed weapons into their stadiums.
Well “F” Them.
Why waste the kind of money they want for tickets and $12 beers to watch millionaires play a game of pile 'em up.
A home or club party with lots of tailgate food and open bar and the bathroom right there is so much better.
So "F" the NFL management. Let's get all the season tickets and distribute them to poor Westside and Southside Folks and People. Then watch the fun as they rip each other apart in the stands.
Then maybe the NFL will think differently.
What idiots. So what they are telling me is that I nor can any of my friends, neighbors, family members or any other good person CANT get armed robbed, raped, beat up, shot, stabbed or murdered in certain restaurants and other businesses? Then the armed bad people know that the armed good people follow the law and the odds of their victims will be slim to none in these places. It also tells the bad people that hmmm, maybe the good people left their guns in the their cars for me to break in and take. Idiots, all of them.
Never understood why anyone selected the 92D. Heavy trigger pull, much better trigger with the S&W, Sig offerings.
Anonymous said...
Does anyone know if this also applies to off duty officers, and retired officers qualified to carry a concealed firearm?
10/12/2013 01:02:00 AM
Who cares? Keep it hidden and keep the star and ID in pocket.
"Hey didn't you see the sign?"
"Yep. Thought it applied to private citizens recently allowed to carry concealed. I was already legally allowed to carry when they could not. Well I'll get out of here after I put this merchandise back. By the way, do you know of another store that would carry these items I'm not buying from here?"
The most they can do if they catch a concealed carry permit holder in their restaurant is ask them to leave. You cannot get arrested! Just carry it.
i dont care what anyone says the beretta 92 FS is a great gun.
Texas had the same law where you couldn't conceal and carry decades ago when the shooting incident at Luby's restaurant occurred. A woman who had survived the incident gave an incredible speech to the state legislature in hearings that were held to propose a change in that law. She gave a memorable account of what happened that day when she went to have lunch with her parents there, including witnessing the horrific murder of both her parents. She made the point of telling the senators that she lawfully owned a weapon on the day of the shooting, however left it secured in her vehicle because it was illegal to carry it on her person. Her story was so compelling and it was heart wrenching to see her anger with herself and lawmakers for abiding by a law which tied her hands and could have made the difference in not only her parents' murder, but the others who were executed that day. Businesses are doing a huge disservice and creating a haven for criminals by posting these signs. We, the lawful citizens of this city, do not have the luxury of armed police escorts 24/7 like our mayors, both current and former. Each of us is responsible for our own safety and wellbeing, and any business that does not support that is not getting my or my family's money.
No particular gun is banned. All firearms are banned in the business that displays the sign. By posting the sign, the business is protecting against civil liability if an incident happens on site involving the use of a handgun. Po's and retiree's.... better to get caught with it than without it.....
If a person is carrying a concealed weapon under 430ILCS66, Firearm Concealed Act, making application an getting a license is subject to the handgun band. Reading the statue does not address certified police officers or retiree's carrying concealed under Federal Law HR218 or other statue.
Anonymous said...
Does anyone know if this also applies to off duty officers, and retired officers qualified to carry a concealed firearm?
10/12/2013 01:02:00 AM
NO it does not
10/12/2013 05:57:00 AM
Well,actually,YES it does.Any private business can set a condition for entrance into an establishment.If you go in anyways,technically your a trespasser,sport.
Hahaha! This is a great opportunity for 'sarcasm and silliness'. Won't somebody come up with a sign to mock
Just remember when you have to go into these establishments for calls (not to mention alarms going off at night). They want choose what laws they enforce...so can we.
Tickets on every false alarm and business establishment checks during every tour. Drop a dime to the city for integrity checks also if the places are loaded with ass holes.
They want to screw with us...here we go.
Fuck you liberals
Beretta makes great guns. The company should complain about this stupid sign. Why not use a hi point pistol on the sign. Sorry I forgot... that would be racist.
Now the bad guys with guns know where to go for defenseless victims. Idiots.
Yes it does apply, If the owner pushes the issue, just like Cellular, United Center and Soldier field. If you don't think so prove your point and take your number and days. It will happen trust me IAD had already been educated on this so has IPRA.
Yes it does apply if they could they would require us to leave our guns at work in Chicago. The Democratic Gun Hating mob part of which runs our city and police dept in case you haven't noticed would like nothing more. Guns are evil!!
What about all these ranges with the warning "No holstered weapons allowed".....so you can't carry in a gun shop/range??????
When Kansas first passed the CCL law in 2006 businesses all over the place put up that sign. Blood did not flow in the streets so they took them down. They got the message that law abiding legal gun toters were not going to produce the mayhem the libs predicted. It will take time but it will happen that way in your state also. Great Blog BTW.
Unfortunately, the sign does not differentiate between LEO's, retired LEO's, concealed carry permit holders, felons with no FOID card, etc. The sign also does not mention active and on duty officers. Therefore, it's obvious they don't want us in there. Fine, that is their right. It's our right NOT to go in! If they call 9-1-1 for service, make sure you have them come outside to you. I would not enter where I am equivalent to a criminal, and not welcome.
OT
A grateful and sincere thank you to the DuPage County PO (Sheriff's Deputy or PO from unknown town)for the assistance and courtesy provided a female family member this past week near the Courthouse.
Same will always be extended on this end!
(g) A licensee shall possess a license at all times the licensee carries a concealed firearm except:
(1) when the licensee is carrying or possessing a
concealed firearm on his or her land or in his or her abode, legal dwelling, or fixed place of business, or on the land or in the legal dwelling of another person as an invitee with that person's permission;
(2) when the person is authorized to carry a firearm
under Section 24-2 of the Criminal Code of 2012, except subsection (a-5) of that Section;
YOU PEOPLE CERTAINLY DONT SOUND LIKE THE POLICE!!!!!!! Have any of you actually read the damn statute?????
1st of all goof we are not applying for a license,,,, why because we don't need a license why??? Because under 720 ILCS 24-2 we are EXEMPT from having to get a license and therefore if you continue reading the firearms concealed carry act on your OWN time you will see that because we are the POLICE in this state the stupid sign don't apply to the POLICE. You people should read the law before you go panic and start posting shit.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=3497&ChapterID=39
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Does this mean we automatically arrest some citizen in one of these marked establishment, who prints as carrying?
10/12/2013 07:42:00 AM
If you can see that someone is carrying concealed...if you're a LEO that supports carry....pull them aside quietly, ID yourself to them...and let them know they better learn to CCW better or they will get screwed with UUW in those places.
99% of you CPD LEO's are all Pro Carry...so help a legal carrier out.
And If they ain't a legit CCW carrier...you got a on view pinch you can call someone in on.
/obviously not a leo here.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The most they can do if they catch a concealed carry permit holder in their restaurant is ask them to leave. You cannot get arrested! Just carry it.
10/12/2013 02:22:00 PM
Whats the bet on a UUW charge being approved by any one of the anit Cop ASA's?
You people are SOFT read the fricking law if your actually looking for where it says police are exempt it's under the exemption called 24-2, use your police skills and look it up
And again Soldier Field CANT prohibit you, I REPEAT CANT BAN you, why because Soldier Field is a PUBLIC PARK owned by the Chicago Park District and as the POLICE in Illinois we are allowed to go there with our bangers,pistols,heaters,thumpers, etc.......
Texas told the NFL to take a flying leap at a rolling doughnut regarding banning Off duty coppers carrying.
Texas 1-NFL 0
Louisiana may be the next state to do this
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Does anyone know if this also applies to off duty officers, and retired officers qualified to carry a concealed firearm?
10/12/2013 01:02:00 AM
What it means for off duty officers is to take care of yourself only in the event of an armed robbery or other shooting incident inside that particular business establishment. Stay safe and upon the end of said incident, to fulfill your legal requirement to take police action, be sure to call 911 to report the event. After it is all over and after you are safe.
As for retired officers, you have to follow the laws of the state you are in. This dipshit sign might not mean it is illegal to carry concealed, it just means they want to kiss the shitty ass of the anti-gun pussys who find guns repulsive. Political correctness that guarantees only a criminal bent on mayhem may enter with a loaded weapon hidden on their person. May the politically correct cowardly gunophobes be the first to catch lead.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This DOES NOT apply to off-duty and qualified retired law enforcement.
10/12/2013 07:34:00 AM
It may not carry the force of law, it is just a piece of paper, but retired law enforcement does not have the same weapon carrying privileges as active law enforcement. There are places where weapons are prohibited under state law. HR218 does not trump that. HR218 states local laws must be followed.
You can test that by going in to the Federal Building carrying concealed and telling them you are retired law enforcement therefore they cannot arrest you.
Anonymous said...
The most they can do if they catch a concealed carry permit holder in their restaurant is ask them to leave. You cannot get arrested! Just carry it.
10/12/2013 02:22:00 PM
Why don't you be the test case? Try it out and report back to us.
Have fun sitting down with IAD and IPRA when a business or citizen lodges a complaint against you for CC and Trepassing. I just plan on not going to the stores that have these signs.
For those of you that think just because we all have badges, we can carry anywhere, you need to retread the rules. They are ITCHING to jam you up, get you fired and off the pension plan.
LEOSA and the LAW is not on our side. We cannot carry inside when this sign is properly displayed.
LEOSA and the LAW is not on our side. We cannot carry inside when this
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YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!!!! I hope you are not the police and if you are you might want to read the UUW law and the new concealed carry law
isnt it kinda funny that ISP is not accepting and throwing a HUGE hissy fit on former officers and CCW?? I mean you have the 40 hour certificate from the State but its not honored for the 16hrs for CCW.
I thought my carry permit was under bullet resistant glass in Washington DC???
Anonymous said...
Does anyone know if this also applies to off duty officers, and retired officers qualified to carry a concealed firearm?
10/12/2013 01:02:00 AM
off duty,no
retired lesosa/hr218 YES.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Does anyone know if this also applies to off duty officers, and retired officers qualified to carry a concealed firearm?
10/12/2013 01:02:00 AM
NO it does not
10/12/2013 05:57:00 AM
Wrong,if you are retired you do not get a pass.You must obey laws just like a civilian ccw.Sorry,but if you do not believe me get into a Zimm/Tray shooting and see what happens to you.
"""This DOES NOT apply to off-duty and qualified retired law enforcement.""""
It does at Soldiers Field. The Nation that is the NFL made it illegal for any Off Duty Police to carry a fire arm at their games.
Last time I went to a game some security douchbag just starting feeling me up at the gate. Didnt say a word, he just search my pants.
I didnt say anything cause the loser actually missed the .380 I had in my pocket and I didnt feel like walking back to the car with it.
My last game I'll ever go to. I can sit in my living room watching football and NOT get robbed by the shit head NFL. No joke, they actually came out and made it illegal for POs to carry at their games.
They hire gangstas and dopers and make it illegal for us to carry. Never again!
And where is the shithead leadership of police Dept.s and police unions in all this?
Probably in a corporate booth carrying THEIR guns.
Back in the 70s there was a Chicago Police gun range in Soldier Field. North side recruits had a great time with the range officer "Tex" showing off his gun handling skills. South siders had to go to 51st and Wentworth.
So it's a restaurant rule, not a law. So what? Or am I missing something? Didn't have a lot of time to read through the comments, but just wondering.
Anonymous said...
Gun free zones = kill zone. Easy pickings for any loony off the rails. Google Lubys,Texas restaurant shooting. Practically the birth of concealed carry, then maybe Miami back in the late 80s when Florida started concealed carry to protect cabbies from stick up. The cabbies started shooting back !
10/12/2013 01:08:00 AM
Think it was Detroit not long ago, maybe a Coney Island, where an armed robber came in, put a gun to the cashier's head and a patron shot the guy with the gun before he could shoot the clerk.
Advertising you don't allow legal concealed carry invites armed robberies. Why not lay out a red carpet with arrows to the safe and cash registers?
I guarantee you, as an off-duty (or on-duty) I will never patronize any establishment with that sign. Wonder if it will have a negative or positive effect on their numbers? Will be interesting to watch. All of a sudden owner's convictions may change if their cash receipts are afffected!
Mt Greenwood Hillbilly said...
Keep calm and carry anyway.
10/12/2013 02:57:00 AM
That would make an EXCELLENT tee shirt--or just:
"Keep Calm and Carry"
Will the aldermen still be able to enter with their guns?
Anonymous said...
Better sign: "For the safety of or staff and patrons one or more of our employees may be carrying a concealed firearm."
10/12/2013 12:05:00 PM
THAT is an EXCELLENT idea!!!!!
Except add 'a person(s) that may be acting as patron(s),
Anonymous said...
The most they can do if they catch a concealed carry permit holder in their restaurant is ask them to leave. You cannot get arrested! Just carry it.
10/12/2013 02:22:00 PM
Why don't you be the test case? Try it out and report back to us.
10/13/2013 12:12:00 AM
Eat your meal, then let them 'accidentally' see your weapon and throw you out....before you have a chance to pay....free meal.
Anonymous said...
The most they can do if they catch a concealed carry permit holder in their restaurant is ask them to leave. You cannot get arrested! Just carry it.
10/12/2013 02:22:00 PM
Actually you are very wrong. Violation of this is a class b misdemeanor
An unintended consequence to consider.
Leo/non leo. Pro/con on CCW.
Gun owner or not and regardless if you would ever leave a weapon in an unattended vehicle.
Once this policy becomes common, if you use valet parking the attendants will have another large incentive to riffle through your vehicle's contents in your absence.
Wow! A lot of misinformation posted here. Hopefully, not by active police officers. Know the law whether you are active or retired if you plan on carrying concealed .
Went to the Englewood range in the basement and Tex was the instructor ( 1968). He loved to show off and do trick shots for us. Great guy.He carried a 6 inch 38
I really don't think that many eating establishments will post this sign. Maybe the liberal joints in Hyde Park or Rodgers park.If they do, it will look pretty tacky on the front door. I recall when I was in Fayetteville, NC while at Fort Bragg. Some of the establishments had signs posted on the front door that if you are a robber you will be shot dead by armed employees. No mention of patrons not carrying concealed. Scared the shit out of me.
10/12/2013 5:57 am You are full of shit and are anti-gun and would probably piss in your pants if you had to shoot some jagoff that was jacking you. Dont compare travon/zimmerman to anything remotely resembling off duty or retired PO's carrying in a restaurant. Read the fucking law before vomiting your bullshit. This federal law(HR 218) supercedes state law otherwise each state could just say fuck it we wont allow concealed carry for retirees. Another ill informed douche bag....maybe even a police officer.
I bet Rahmmy is contemplating photo x ray enforcement, at the cop boxes as you pass, an x ray is issued of your illegal conceal and carry and your issued by mail a fine for duiocc,you guessed it driving under the influence of conceal carry!
Fuck the NFL- why would you bother giving an organization that pays millions to a bunch of thug looking tatted up CB numbers any business? They allow criminals to play pro ball while telling officers they are not welcome in their venue if they carry. Fuck them and their ghetto players.
And again Soldier Field CANT prohibit you, I REPEAT CANT BAN you, why because Soldier Field is a PUBLIC PARK owned by the Chicago Park District and as the POLICE in Illinois we are allowed to go there with our bangers,pistols,heaters,thumpers, etc.......
10/12/2013 10:40:00 PM
Let's see you try it. I double Dog dare Ya.
Isn't Beretta's 92 a registered trademark silhouette?
If so Beretta ought to sue them. Yea Chicago needs another lawsuit.
And I am sure there are plenty of lawyers just waiting in line to get the job.
Here in Texas you have to have the proper CHL sign to bar CHL holders. If it is not the right wording or letter size it is invalid.
Most companies won't post them cause alot of Texas pack and they will take their business, and $$$, elsewhere.
The Ghost of Elliot Ness said:
guess I'm good to go with my Model 1926 Colt Official Police .38 spinner?
(430 ILCS 66/65)
Sec. 65. Prohibited areas.
(a) A licensee under this Act shall not knowingly carry a firearm on or into: etc......
Please read the law. It clearly states that "A LICENSEE UNDER THIS ACT shall not etc...
Police Officers and Retired H.R. 218 permit holders are NOT "Licensees under this Act" therefore the prohibitions enumerated in the Act do not apply.
If a Teacher was packing at Sandy Hook and killed the Lunatic shooter would they be a Hero or lost their job for violating the no guns in school rule.
What about on duty plain clothes guys like tac, gangs, narcotics,detective div they like donuts too! How is a restaurant owner to know which is which on duty or off duty. Or maybe cops working and retired should just take there business elsewhere to a business that did not post that silly sign.
It's pretty silly for a restaurant to put this up, but it makes good sense for a bar. I don't care if you are a LEO, you are not immune to the effects of alcohol on the decision-making process. I don't want you drinking and armed.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It's pretty silly for a restaurant to put this up, but it makes good sense for a bar. I don't care if you are a LEO, you are not immune to the effects of alcohol on the decision-making process. I don't want you drinking and armed.
10/16/2013 08:37:00 AM
Oh, naïve one. Cops have been carrying, in bars, forever. Yet, somehow, cops don't kill other people (no matter how deserving, but I digress) in bars on a nightly, weekly, or even yearly basis.
I spent an entire career carrying in bars and restaurants, sometimes drinking, sometimes not. (And I really don't care WHAT you 'want' me to do or not.)
I wasn't raised to believe a gun is the way you settle a disagreement and those kind of standards don't get compromised just because you've had a drink.
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