Show Us the Money
- A proposal to hire more police officers rather than pay up to $100 million in overtime died in the Budget Committee Monday.
The measure, which would have diverted $25 million in the 2014 city budget to hire at least 200 and as many as 500 more officers, was tabled under a motion by Ald. James Balcer (11th), head of the Public Safety Committee.
- Budget Director Alexandra Holt testified Monday that, while a rookie officer has a salary of $43,000, total first-year costs of hiring that officer were $76,000.
"The costs begin to accumulate quite quickly," Holt added, with police salary topping $100,000 within four years.
Really? Someone has been shorting us then. Let's get out the calculators. We're owed at least a quarter million at those rates. Anyone else want to hop on this one?
Labels: silly people
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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Hey SCC, this is your new buddy, Police Superintendent Bronx Bullschitz here. You and I know why she said coppers make $100,000 a year. That's right, so they tell a fat lie to the taxpayers and make police officers look like a bunch of greedy sons of a bitches, that's why.
Any bets if any of these local journalists pick up on it? Calling Frank Main!
By the way, the other night a poster called me "Bronx Bagballs". Can you please tell your readers to stop being rude?
Thanks in advance,
Bronx Bagballs, Oooops! I mean Bronx Bullschitz
I'm no mathologist, but that's like 1,300 people!
Wow my retro check is going to be way more then I thought. Oh wait, never mind. We are not getting a retro check because our FOP President Mike Shields forgot.
It's all part of the socialist propaganda plan to demonize public safety employees as the culprits in the pension mess they created with their thievery.
But you all keep voting democrat. They're for the working man.
That's exactly what they want to feed the media and the masses.
whelp, what's it gonna be... 43,000 dollars a year to put a rookie cop on the street or 52,195 dollars to keep an inmate locked up for a year.
kind-a shows you where a rookie ranks in value on the mayoral maslow pyramid of value, yes.
inmates vs cops are just another tool that can be used to extort 'protection money' from taxpayers.
i mean look...the city is fucked. if we spend 42,000/yr to put one more cop on the beat and he puts one, just one thug in jail for a year, then the taxpayer is out 42,000 + 52,195 == 94,195 dollars.
and we would hope that more than on thug with a one year sentence would be going to jail.
cuz ya know damn well the corporations are not gonna anti-up. corporations get tax breaks because they create the much needed sweat shop jobs.
how many walmart workers would it take even if the walmart worker contributed one-hundred percent of their salary to fund the 52,195 for one year let alone the 94,195.
detroit here we come
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Sure that is including benefits!!!
this is the politician fun with numbers trickery at it's finest,
'Budget Director Alexandra Holt testified Monday that, while a rookie officer has a salary of $43,000, total first-year costs of hiring that officer were $76,000.
"The costs begin to accumulate quite quickly," Holt added, with police salary topping $100,000 within four years'
yeah, that's what it used to cost. what's it gonna cost once they shift everyone on obamacare and make the officers pay for it. after the pensions are robbed and it's the officers not the corrupt city liars that will deal with the increased contributions...
and let us not forget the soaring cost of living with an a-hole union fuck-up that has been either unwilling or unable to perform it's most basic function that of which an 8th grader could handle.
are we really expected to buy that this was just a glitch, a paperwork error, a memory lapse. now that is your conspiracy theory right there.
you've been sold out.
This Holt lady says some total BS like this then the media actually prints this shit and people who read it actually believe it? Is that kinda how it works?
Cops make over $100,000 after 4 years and I'm Abraham Lincoln.
I hate this city. These politicians need to be publicly executed. At least it wasn't a 50-0 vote.
Naw no one owes us anything, we would do this job if they paid us 19 k a year. Come on 78 for a rookie officer?
The cynic in me has me thinking this is all part of a plan... Don't hire more officers that would be contributing their share and causing the city to contribute their own share to the pension so the number crunchers can show how unsustainable it is.
Wake up boys and girls, and more importantly FOP & PBPA. I know we have a no job action clause, however since VSWO are voluntary there should be a way to list a Friday or Saturday night that no one works without facing consequences of being made a fair share member.
Basically, we are all, myself included, scabs hurting ourselves and I for one have now cancelled all future special. Before anyone responds how much they need the money, etc... you'll need it just as much in retirement as well and at this rate it will not be there.
In honor of his spirit and striving to help all of the oppressed, how about the weekend of MLK Day or President's Day, then once more Easter Weekend?
CPD total compensation has lost ground to other major cities, the suburbs and State Police
If new hires go elsewhere their lifetime compensation in this career will be higher. Also with no residency their expenses and quality of life will be greater.
of course if you hire more officers you have to put money into the pension fund which we all know the city does not know how to or want to do.train an officer you will have him for 29 and a day pay him overtime and he's gone in one tour.it's all about the city taking the cheapest way out.i don;t know who does the calculations on our salary but we are all owed alot of retro pay..oh i forgot we donot get retro pay.
Maybe they could use some of the money we aren't going to see as raises or retro to hire some new coppers. Shields could then lie to us and take the credit for getting us more help.
The cities being slick with number again!
They are counting the police test, ,power test,drug test background check and the cost of the academy.
Hell they might as well count the light bill at the mayors office while their at it.
bunch of fricking thieves and bullshit artist.
Maybe she was thinking about the alderscum's salary 4 minutes after taking office. Actually $100,000 would be shorting them to.
I will just wait by the mailbox for my check.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
They are counting our total compensation package. Medical, pension, wages etc. The amount is correct.
No matter how many times the city keeps kicking us in the teeth, the mouth and in the stomach, some of you fools still keep bringing in the numbers.
Article makes it seem like the city pays all this money to support us. We generate millions for the city also- anovs, parkers, movers, impounds.
I'd love to see how they're getting that figure. "Benefits", obviously - like pension contributions? lol.
With over 10 years on the job, I will gladly show you my tax returns and that won't exceed 100K.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sure that is including benefits!!!
11/27/2013 12:58:00 AM
Bull.
**Single most important issue**
everything else is secondary
The pension fund will be at ZERO in 10-12 years. Repeat, the pension fund will be at ZERO in 10-12 years. Quicker if less are paying in. If you judge not by words, but by actions the only deduction is that Rahm wants it to be zero. That lets him off the hook to make the required contributions. If there is no fund then there is nothing to contribute to.
OT -
We'll have to wait till next week to see if that Academy Admin Mgr. took vacation time or was carried Again.
Or did DC Calloway Give her the time off?
She's off till Monday.
What happens ten, fifteen, twnenty years down the line?
You think the ranks are down now, wait.
Daley started this back in about late 2007 (limited hiring, Rahm is just continuing that trend.
I have 20 years on the job and without any OT don't make 100k!
Show Me The Money $$$$$$$$
It's kind of funny but the way Chi's crack newspapers always report on the 'high pay' of Chi Coppers, one 'could' get the impression that all cops are living in Mansions and driving Bentleys.
They wouldn't have an agenda now would they????
Thats how out of touch these politicians are. They ruined the City of Chicago and ruined the State. All this falls on their greedy corrupt asses!
Anonymous said...
The cynic in me has me thinking this is all part of a plan... Don't hire more officers that would be contributing their share and causing the city to contribute their own share to the pension so the number crunchers can show how unsustainable it is.
Wake up boys and girls, and more importantly FOP & PBPA. I know we have a no job action clause, however since VSWO are voluntary there should be a way to list a Friday or Saturday night that no one works without facing consequences of being made a fair share member.
Basically, we are all, myself included, scabs hurting ourselves and I for one have now cancelled all future special. Before anyone responds how much they need the money, etc... you'll need it just as much in retirement as well and at this rate it will not be there.
In honor of his spirit and striving to help all of the oppressed, how about the weekend of MLK Day or President's Day, then once more Easter Weekend?
11/27/2013 03:38:00 AM
I agree. Everyone should stop working VRI.
That leaves more for me.
VRI Guy
We're worth 76k? Damn. Good to know after spending 5k plus on uniform items including cold weather gear for our outdoor patrols. Military meet the pd. You are one in the same.
Do I have to resign and reapply in oder to make 100.000 a year???
I mean, I have 17 years on the job and I am not making anywhere close to that!!!!!
Anonymous said...
The cynic in me has me thinking this is all part of a plan... Don't hire more officers that would be contributing their share and causing the city to contribute their own share to the pension so the number crunchers can show how unsustainable it is.
Wake up boys and girls, and more importantly FOP & PBPA. I know we have a no job action clause, however since VSWO are voluntary there should be a way to list a Friday or Saturday night that no one works without facing consequences of being made a fair share member.
Basically, we are all, myself included, scabs hurting ourselves and I for one have now cancelled all future special. Before anyone responds how much they need the money, etc... you'll need it just as much in retirement as well and at this rate it will not be there.
In honor of his spirit and striving to help all of the oppressed, how about the weekend of MLK Day or President's Day, then once more Easter Weekend?
11/27/2013 03:38:00 AM
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I agree. I haven't worked VRI since last March. We are screwing ourselves over with that blood money. Stop working that crap! Now! When will we begin acting like a union and less like selfish persons? Think long term. Quit being short-sighted. A true union would call an emergency meeting requiring all members presence. The sole subject of discussion would be why working VRI is detrimental to the membership. We truly have the power to break the city's unwillingness to hire if only we knew that.
How did 19th ward alderman vote on the mayor's budget??
Keep working VRI!!!!!
You big dummies
This is all nonsense. The real action will be in Springfield early next week. See if Rahm can coat tail onto the " reforms " the legislature will pass for the state employees. It will be quick with no discussion. If it is not coat tailed on now, it will be.
In the meantime, worry about some nonsense that the mayor purposely put out there, worry about the FOP nonsense that was probably started at the behest of those in power.
Amusing to watch.
old retired guy
11/27/2013 03:38:00 AM
Well thank you for not working special.
Now I'll get some.
Come on special. Daddy needs a new Lexus.
Welcome to the dumbing down and self-implosion of our once great nation.
I couldn't believe what Channel 7 News talking empty head Ron Magers said about graduating 107 news Chicago Police Officers from the Academy.
"This keeps Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s promise to put more cops on the beat."
Geeze, what a mouthful of shit! Ask how many officers retired, died or became disabled during the time those some 107 were in training.
Did you ask how many officers were included in all the last city budgets?
Ask Rahm how many officers were employed by the CPD when you started and how many are there now?
No one, not even Mike shields will do that.
5 fucking ANOV'S for VRI?! That's a bit much. It should of been 3, they practically are arrests.
Figures lie and liars figure and Chicago/Cook/Illinois is, and has been, All-Pro for ages.
Then again, it could be that the woman is just a retard and UNINTENTIONALLY quoted the total costs to the city for those officers. Not sure what your specific "overhead" is regarding insurance, taxes, etc. but you cannot go too far wrong with quoting salary, overtime, etc and adding 25% of that total to come up with the total nut.
Spouting that $100K figure as your annual salary however is either a sign of dishonesty or stupidity - neither of which are in short supply at Shitty Hall.
Happy Turkey day everyone. Be sure to wish your local politician/aldercreep, etc the same. After all, it's their day.
"But you all keep voting democrat. They're for the working man."
11/27/2013 12:25:00 AM
The Wall Street backed corporatist demo-commie-crats of the large urban centers of this nation, (of which, Chicago stands head and shoulders above the rest,) are leading the charge to render the "working man" obsolete.
Particularly if said "working man" is a public safety employee with collective bargaining rights...
Look. Around. And see.
What is REALLY happening.
Your pensions represent the last big honey-pots of unmolested (for the most part) "other people's money" just sitting around doing nothing... And it's just driving the Wall Street bunch crazy that they can't outright steal it from you.
Hiya Rahm!
You shriveled, crooked little false-flagging bastard...
It's really about catering to people who will mindlessly pull the straight democratic lever to keep them in power.
You "working men" don't fit into the demo-commie-crat calculus because you hold "old fashioned" notions like work, responsibility, duty, decency and integrity.
The "working man" (public safety employee with collective bargaining rights) in America is done for...
The FIGHT is coming...
Those with good common sense should be frightened out of their wits.
As it is, The Patrolman has no friends or allies.
"Other Peoples Money" IS the prime mover behind any ginned-up, spun by the media pretext at the behest of their Wall Street and political masters.
Shields said all he cares about is our pensions. No retro, shitty pension, no new contract in his first term. What has our FOP President been doing since he took office besides eat well, go to sporting events and concerts, drive in a new car with free gas that we paid for etc. What has he done? I am asking someone to be specific and please tell me what he has done since taking over as President that benefits and makes all officers lives better?
Why are we paying taxes for 12,500 or so Officers every year and getting thousands of officers less ?
LESS Officers should = Less Tax Dollars needed by City Government. Why are we again being Raped by Democrat Chicago/Crook County Politicians ?
Do what I have done since day one.... Keep a ledger. Its almost time for it to hit the media
So...
Are they "folding in" all the "administrative costs?"
Announce a test?
Print up materials?
Administer the test.
Man hours and associated costs devoted to pre-employment screening i.e., psych, physical and drug screening?
Man hours and associated costs for academy instructors per recruit?
"Let's roll in the total monetary value of their compensation package so we can piss the public off even more."
This city is run by a bunch of chair-sniffing poot-butts and charlatans...
"Look at ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL this money we're paying these Coppers! Did we also mention that they get a sweet PENSION too Mr. & Ms. Outraged Citizen?"
Heh... What was the total monetary value of Rahm's compensation package when he was at Fannie/Freddie?
Likely a far sight more than the $18 MILLION he was reportedly paid...
>Squeeky-Sqooky-Squeek!<
*Don't look at what we're doing HERE! Look at what da Cop got over THERE!*
Another freshly twisted balloon animal of distraction.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They are counting our total compensation package. Medical, pension, wages etc. The amount is correct.
11/27/2013 08:58:00 AM
My total medical expenses were $720 for meds and $140 for a doctor visit. Try again. Remember, the City is self-insured; they aren't really paying insurance premiums, as the general public believes.
Anonymous said...
Do I have to resign and reapply in oder to make 100.000 a year???
I mean, I have 17 years on the job and I am not making anywhere close to that!!!!!
11/27/2013 01:42:00 PM
With over 25 years I think the base was 86,000. Some OT and special and the uniform checks etc. got me a bit over 100k but I don't really care to work lots of hours. Time off is more important now.
Anonymous said...
How did 19th ward alderman vote on the mayor's budget??
11/27/2013 02:01:00 PM
The following aldermen voted against the budget, all others voted for it:
Waguespack, Arena, Fioretti, Munoz, Sposato
Okay, once and for all. Hiring is not going to solve the pension problem - might keep it a alive for a couple more years thats about it. The problem and what most of you fail to address is that the city is not contributing their portion which is rougly 12.2% (we contribute 9% per pay check). Sure we can use more p.o.'s in OUR neighborhoods but the reality is that they're gonna end up patrolling you know where, so enough of the bitching about hiring more to shore up the pension. START ATTACKING THE PROBLEM which is the city's failure to contribute its portion!
Shouldn't the first and most important concern a mayor should have is the safety of his citizens? You don't build another park right on top of a park, when crime is flying high and you don't have enough police officers to stop that crime. If the mayor says he doesn't have enough money to hire police officers, then there obviously isn't enough money to build another park. A park is a luxury, not a necessity. No politician cares about the citizens. I fucking hate them all.
This is so disturbing….
Pucker up boys and girls. We are taking it up the a&@ next week pension reform will pass in Springfield. A vote will be taken on a Bill agreed upon by the 4 leaders of both party's. No one knows the contents of the Bill. When they are not talking we are getting screwed. Does Mike Shields or Mark Donahue care to weigh in? The money we pay these two should result in answers.
If they take our COLA away somebody at FOPs head will roll. Maybe 27 heads.
When you bake-in the salary, healthcare, pension, vacation, and other costs that accrue to an average figure of what a rank-and-file Chicago police officer costs, I begin to wonder what is the all-in cost of the typical shitbird gangbanger that gets shot and patched-up at the hospital at public expense.
Then we can get in to the cost figures of the able-bodied welfare recipients buying food with public assistance money and then selling the prepared food in the summmer at house front stands along S. Pulaski.
My brother has worked for a chain store in the Chicago area for 20 plus years without missing more then a few days of work.
He and others like him living at the community for "mentals" as they are commonly referred to by some CPD are taxed on the meger earnings they are paid because they receive public assistance.
I can see the logic of their being taxed, a nominal amount. But what is fucked up is that, for the most, part the people in his community are mentally challenged thru no fault of there own. It's genetic. Yet on the other hand we have perfectly able-bodied gangbangers and welfare hustlers that just suck from the public teat and don't put anything in.
I don't begrudge cops pulling down $100K, all-in.
You put your lives on the line everyday and deal with some pretty fucked-up situations. Cops behind a desk? Not so much. There, I think pay should be in accordance with the risk of your job.
Just a citizen
Pension reform is here. Work until your 63 and no COLA. Thanks Shields for all your concern, good thing you hired Donahue for $75,000 a year as a lobbyist. It really paid off.
Every one of us who planned to leave at 50 have to come up with a new game plan. We will have to work to 63.
Without a unified voice we will die on the vine. Before our very eyes the City has successfully divided all facets of C.P.D. and is using our greed to destroy years of hard fought gains,that were obtained at great peril . The city is laughing at us over how easy they are getting off with V.R.I. They are using our own greed and shortsightedness to pay for this. Within 5 years we will be working 12 hour days with 2 shifts like a factory and then pushing a Beat Car at 62 and wondering what happened. Now is the time to fight.
Once upon a time, in a land far, far away, there was a Chicago Police Dept. budget. The budget handled vehicle expenses, benefits, salaries and funding for supplies to make the department run. Monies went into that budget from tickets written and paid for by the citizens the court fined. And, at the end of the budget year, the SURPLUS from the Chicago Police Dept. budget went to the City of Chicago General Fund. The greedy ogre, Prince Richie, became enraged that he could not use that money for his own purposes like flying to Ireland to hide it in his pot of gold at the end of the rainbow..... So, he found a way to include the Chicago Police Dept. budget as part of the city and not funded on its own. And the rest of the story becomes very sad, as the greedy leprechaun sucked every last pence and more, leaving the CPD barren and without the means to do their job.
Sid Davis is posting "pension fix doesn't include Chicago Police." Sid your right but if you don't think it is going to affect us then you are dumber than a box of rocks. Rham will ram the same plane down our throats. Sid you are drinking the Kool aid again.
Why are we paying taxes for 12,500 or so Officers every year and getting thousands of officers less ?
LESS Officers should = Less Tax Dollars needed by City Government. Why are we again being Raped by Democrat Chicago/Crook County Politicians ?
Maybe because there are approx 12,200 officers
Anonymous said...
How did 19th ward alderman vote on the mayor's budget??
11/27/2013 02:01:00 PM
What difference does it make? It passed 45-5.
Happens all the time , the aldermen of the wards that are populated by alot of police and fire, always put in their token vote and the budget goes thru. The mayor understands that
The FOP and Shields Donahue have not done one thing to address the pension problem. We will get the same deal the state employees get and it is our own fault. We keep electing these idiots.
All the taxpayers have to do is look up our salaries online to see we don't make 100,000 a year.
I don't make over 100,000. I have nineteen years on wtf is she talking about?
If the opposite of pro is con, is the
opposite of progress congress?
Haahaaahaa! 18 years on still haven't seen $100,000. Maybe minus $25,000 or more
Anonymous said...
OT -
We'll have to wait till next week to see if that Academy Admin Mgr. took vacation time or was carried Again.
Or did DC Calloway Give her the time off?
She's off till Monday.
11/27/2013 11:52:00 AM
Ok we get it. You post everyday about him/her.If you have a problem grow a set and confront him/her. And since you know what's going on at the academy everyday, I will assume you work there too. Which means you are a useless excuse of an officer to those of us who work the streets for a full tour everyday. Now shut the fuck up with your bullshit!!!
How did 19th ward alderman vote on the mayor's budget??
11/27/2013 02:01:00 PM
++++++++++++++++++++++++
He voted for it according to the NBC Chicago website. Just like he votes for everything else Rahm tells him to. CPD is short, 022 needs coppers, other districts need coppers and there's no money to hire them. But hey Matt, there's 10 or 20 million to build a skating rink right? Without a parking lot, so fuck the neighbors. He's a puppet.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/chicago-city-council-2014-budget-233439321.html
5 anovs ? sit on the corner and catch 5 people taking on cellphone. u can get that category out of the way in a day or two. parkers ? find a rush hr street and be done in 10 min. contact cards? double dip on anovs and enter a card with info. stop your whining and get it done
Anonymous said...
The FOP and Shields Donahue have not done one thing to address the pension problem. We will get the same deal the state employees get and it is our own fault. We keep electing these idiots.
11/27/2013 08:45:00 PM
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It has to be done in the courts with Rahm "The plague Rat" Emanuel as mayor. Or do you want Jimmy Ade at the bargaining table for you? The TRS will be in the court system and you should be supporting them 100% on this one.
"Z"-Zalewski u spineless coward. Despite all the coppers living in your ward, you still rubberstamp Rahm.
Hey, lazy fuck reporters..here's some facts: in order to have a base over 100g, you have to be a Sgt or above. And the sgt has to have over 25 years. The highest paid patrolman makes 93,700. After 30 years. I would guess that pay grades under that line, when benefits are included are compensated over 100k, but joe citizen doesn't think that way. Mr citizen sees the 100k figure and makes the assumption that that is salary only.
Maybe, just maybe one of you hard charging reporters could put these figures in the paper. Better yet, here's the link to our salary schedule:
http://directives.chicagopolice.org/forms/CPD-61.400.pdf
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why are we paying taxes for 12,500 or so Officers every year and getting thousands of officers less ?
LESS Officers should = Less Tax Dollars needed by City Government. Why are we again being Raped by Democrat Chicago/Crook County Politicians ?
Maybe because there are approx 12,200 officers
11/27/2013 08:22:00 PM
And maybe not.
Some of these assinine posts that either the Douherty or the Angelo Team posts are more than I can take.No matter what the thread, I have to read Bill Dougherty post about us not getting our Retro-pay, pay for a term the arbitrator has not even given us. What if that arbitrator gives us what the city proposes, 0%, 0% and 5% over three years. That adds up to NO Retro-pay too Bloody Bill, but I know that somehow you will spin that into being Shield's fault. Just like Obama blames everything on Bush. Bill we are tired of your same posts, either get a new issue or better yet drop out of the race, your toast anyway after that Vet thing. As far as the other posts blaming Shields and Donahue for the Pension "reform" bill they are passing in Springfield, what did you think they could do to stop this bill besides what they are doing. You on the Angelo team need to stop this BS too you are showing your
utter lack of knowledge about politics and displaying to people why you too should not be elected.
Please no more posts off topic boys , if you just cant possibly stop tearing at each others throats, take up Bloody Bill Dougherty's idea and challenge each other to a fist fight. And they say Shields is too young to be President.
Who started the rumor that minimum retirement age will be 63? They're not gonna raise the minimum age 13 years. You guys are a bunch of fear mongers.
Dont they know we pay 7000 dollars,from our salary to get our pension?
Anonymous said...
Why are we paying taxes for 12,500 or so Officers every year and getting thousands of officers less ?
LESS Officers should = Less Tax Dollars needed by City Government. Why are we again being Raped by Democrat Chicago/Crook County Politicians ?
>> Caution! Rahm Troll!! <<<
>>>Maybe because there are approx 12,200 officers
11/27/2013 08:22:00 PM <<
What are you counting with, are you seeing people reflected in mirrors or counting civilian jobs like clerks and typists as sworn?
We have been decimated in the truest sense of the word and it is affecting us in every possible way from not being able to get backup, job stress, time off or police service at home. We have lost great amounts of expertise and this Brooklyn Bozo must be getting paid by how much manpower he can slash from the budget.
Our own unions are no help because they will not stand up and do a manpower audit and shame Rahm.
I wonder why that is; possibly a promise of something better after the next union election or maybe a security contract with the city.
Pucker up boys and girls. We are taking it up the a&@ next week pension reform will pass in Springfield. A vote will be taken on a Bill agreed upon by the 4 leaders of both party's. No one knows the contents of the Bill. When they are not talking we are getting screwed. Does Mike Shields or Mark Donahue care to weigh in? The money we pay these two should result in answers.
11/27/2013 07:07:00 PM
Doesn't affect police pensions. Now crawl back under your rock.
Every one of us who planned to leave at 50 have to come up with a new game plan. We will have to work to 63.
11/27/2013 07:28:00 PM
Yeah, that's a great plan. We can have a bunch of top pay scale geriatrics hobbling around that can't and won't do shit, and who could blame them. I already don't want to do shit for this screwed up department and city anymore.
All the taxpayers have to do is look up our salaries online to see we don't make 100,000 a year.
11/27/2013 08:49:00 PM
That's asking way too much of the taxpayers. They'd rather just sit around and bash the greedy police over dinner and a cocktail.
A detective with 25 years on makes $93,192 per year. All officers make $1,800 per year in uniform allowance but of course must buy and maintain their own uniforms which are marked up 10,000%. They also make $3,220 per year in duty availability. So a detective with 25 years on makes $98,212 per year not counting overtime. $100,000 per year after 4 years... Budget Director Alexandra Holt must have been talking about the superintendent's salary... Oh wait, no, he makes 3 times that to run this department into the ground.
Ok we get it. You post everyday about him/her.If you have a problem grow a set and confront him/her
How about IAD Don't they read the Blog What About Inspectors isn't that part of their job other than uniform infractions
-They
should be doing the confronting Mr.Jackass
We'll have to wait till next week to see if that Academy Admin Mgr. took vacation time Didn't we sign a full days work for a full days pay LoL Da Chicago way
Every one of us who planned to leave at 50 have to come up with a new game plan. We will have to work to 63.
...So Why are there 50 Alderman with Pensions??????????
Hey SCC - any word on the P.O. from 006 that was hit by a car two nights ago on S. Pulaski ?
Deployed military CPD cant even pay into their pensions!!!
If you add to your salary the cost to the city of their pension contribution, which is approximately twice your contribution and also add the average cost of hospital expenses paid by the city on your behalf, yes they do self-insure, but they do pay for the expenses, I suspect that it comes to well over 100,000 for salaries around 75,000 or so. It is a correct average figure. Whether or not it is enough, is another question that is answered through negotiation.
Anonymous said...
OT -
We'll have to wait till next week to see if that Academy Admin Mgr. took vacation time or was carried Again.
Or did DC Calloway Give her the time off?
She's off till Monday.
11/27/2013 11:52:00 AM
Hey ... you obviously work at the Academy. Either do something about what you're beefing about or request to go to a district where it's all legit. I suspect you'll do neither because you're a whinny bitch who's been down there way too long. You don't think we know who you are??
0331 if you can't get 5 anovs within a 4 day work week you are a hack and could not make it outside the government work force.
What are you counting with, are you seeing people reflected in mirrors or counting civilian jobs like clerks and typists as sworn?
We have been decimated in the truest sense of the word and it is affecting us in every possible way from not being able to get backup, job stress, time off or police service at home. We have lost great amounts of expertise and this Brooklyn Bozo must be getting paid by how much manpower he can slash from the budget.
Our own unions are no help because they will not stand up and do a manpower audit and shame Rahm.
I wonder why that is; possibly a promise of something better after the next union election or maybe a security contract with the city.
What am I county with? What you should be counting with instead of just talking shit.
CLEAR will list every po,sgt,lt etc including exempt You can add them up or is CLEAR lying?
Then you can read your annual pension report or call the pension board and they will tell you how many sworn officers there are and how many are paying into the pension or I they lying also
If you want to talk about clerks and typists most are wearing a CPD uniform, look at headquarters, district and unit front offices, etc
Shields doesn't even come to work. He has no clue what he is doing. The only people that think mike is king is family friend Underwood. Bear King and his brother Dan who is hated in 018. Please explain what Shields has done for the membership in his first term, other than waste money. Dougherty at least has a history of getting benefits for the membership (55 free health insurance and new work schedule), Dougherty was on both of these committees. As far as Dean Angelo is concerned, I would like to know if he ever tried to come back from disability, and if not why? If he can work a full time job then why can't he answer phones and write case reports and work limited duty? Questions we need answers too.
I dont care. Look at what the burbs make in their first 5 years. Nothing compared to what we do and they dont deal with half the shitbags we do on a daily basis.
So if they raise the minimum age and an officer is maxed out but forced to stay on until reaching the determined age. Will he still be required to put into the pension every pay check? That would be money thrown away and just plain wrong! And yes I know the Springfield bill doesn't relate to us directly but we are heading in the same direction.
What do you expect from incompetent, corrupt politicians?
So if they raise the minimum age and an officer is maxed out but forced to stay on until reaching the determined age. Will he still be required to put into the pension every pay check? That would be money thrown away and just plain wrong! And yes I know the Springfield bill doesn't relate to us directly but we are heading in the same direction
Of course he will still be forced to pay into the pension. Thats the way its been and will continue to be. Even under our current pension that is the case. After 29and a day you are maxed out but continue to pay into the pension. Only makes sense because every year you stay your pension goes up with raises. Only way your idea is right is after 29 and a day your pension is frozen at that amount and you get no credit for any of the additional years you work
Anonymous said...
Deployed military CPD cant even pay into their pensions!!!
Since when? Last I heard the city was paying the difference between their military pay and the CPD salary
Anonymous said...
Deployed military CPD cant even pay into their pensions!!!
They might not pay into the pension but they get credit for that time towards their pension. I was a reservist went into active duty for 6 months and never paid into the pension, but when I retired that time was counted towards pension
Every one of us who planned to leave at 50 have to come up with a new game plan. We will have to work to 63.
11/27/2013 07:28:00 PM
Yeah, that's a great plan. We can have a bunch of top pay scale geriatrics hobbling around that can't and won't do shit, and who could blame them. I already don't want to do shit for this screwed up department and city anymore.
Then whats wrong with paying you for not doing shit until you are 63. The city already is paying you for not doing shit until you are 50, so whats a few extra years
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
OT -
We'll have to wait till next week to see if that Academy Admin Mgr. took vacation time or was carried Again.
Or did DC Calloway Give her the time off?
She's off till Monday.
11/27/2013 11:52:00 AM
Hey ... you obviously work at the Academy. Either do something about what you're beefing about or request to go to a district where it's all legit. I suspect you'll do neither because you're a whinny bitch who's been down there way too long. You don't think we know who you are??
11/28/2013 09:17:00 AM
Everyone knows who this whinny bitter bitch is. Go to Calloway and state your case. otherwise live with it.
To 12:41 PM nice to hear from you Bill but are you really going to take credit for the new work schedule and the 55 health care? Let's talk about the number of cops who were disabled and you didn't go to bat for. As far as Mike goes we are better of when he is not at the office. At least he can't screw us.
Anonymous said...
Questions we need answers too.
11/28/2013 12:41:00 PM
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I have some questions for Bill. What did you and Donahue get for turning down a 16% raise and then take 10%. Even if you could convince us it was something good why did we not get to make that choice. Why did you, Mark and Aguilar have secret negotiations with the city apart from the core group and keep them secret? Loyalty to our members is not your strong suit is it Bill.
I am looking at the magnet from your last campaign with Greg Bella. There are at least 6 people not running with you this time. Three are now on Angelo's ticket and at least three on Shields ticket. Why are they jumping off of your ticket? Why are they not loyal too you?
If Shields is soooo... bad why did you ask to run with him this summer? If Mike would add Jim Bailey to the five field reps and throw out Frank Di Maria you would run with Mike? Loyalty is not your strong suit is it Bill?
Why did you stop working mid conversation with the vets and try to strong arm him not to endorse Dean Angelo Sr. Loyalty is not you strong suit is it Bill?
Who started the rumor that minimum retirement age will be 63? They're not gonna raise the minimum age 13 years. You guys are a bunch of fear mongers.
No. Minimum age for retirement, if Rahm gets his way, will be raised to 55. He wants the MAX retirement age to go up to 67.
What about Dougherty teaming up with Steve Robbins to try and thriw the retirees under the bus? How about that one, Billy?
Word was they voted yes on hiring more until someone realized they voted for what the MAyor didn't want. It was chaos in the meeting. So they quickly revoted to change the mistake and Balcer made sure the vote was redone.
What about Dougherty teaming up with Steve Robbins to try and thriw the retirees under the bus? How about that one, Billy?
Rick(I lost my dog three times) King you keep telling this tale of lies over and over again. I was at that meeting and Dougherty spoke against it. You are only Shields lap dog. Did I say dog? Sorry!
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
OT -
We'll have to wait till next week to see if that Academy Admin Mgr. took vacation time or was carried Again.
Or did DC Calloway Give her the time off?
She's off till Monday.
11/27/2013 11:52:00 AM
Hey ... you obviously work at the Academy. Either do something about what you're beefing about or request to go to a district where it's all legit. I suspect you'll do neither because you're a whinny bitch who's been down there way too long. You don't think we know who you are??
11/28/2013 09:17:00 AM
Everyone knows who this whinny bitter bitch is. Go to Calloway and state your case. otherwise live with it.
11/28/2013 08:25:00 PM
BRAVO!! Its about time someone called this hack out. Wah, wah! poor me. Shut up and retire.
Anonymous said...
What about Dougherty teaming up with Steve Robbins to try and thriw the retirees under the bus? How about that one, Billy?
Rick(I lost my dog three times) King you keep telling this tale of lies over and over again. I was at that meeting and Dougherty spoke against it. You are only Shields lap dog. Did I say dog? Sorry!
11/29/2013 02:01:00 PM
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I also was at that meeting sitting in the back and the vote was 598-2. The 2 votes were Steve Robbins and some Dic Joe Gentile who was sitting next to Steve. Jim Moriarty should have killed at committee. The state lodge said it was said it was illegal but JM still let it go for a vote. The National Lodge said the motion was illegal and it still went to the floor for a vote. The National Board has a retiree on it. If Bill Dougherty did not speak against it he would have been lynched.
But Bill Dougherty, Mark Donahue, and John Capparelli all talked at several meetings four and five years ago about getting the retirees out of the union because of how much per capita the retiree cost us. Just look at what just happened to the Park District retirees. They do not get to vote in elections.
Just remember retirees is that Steve Robbins is Mark Donahue’s neighbor and hand picked candidate for the pension board. They wanted to take away your voting rights. That group already tried to screw you. First time shame on them and if it happens again shame on you. DO NO VOTE for anyone associated with Bill Dougherty if you are a retiree.
Any Retiree who votes for any of the Citywide team deserves what happens to them.
Anonymous said...
Without a unified voice we will die on the vine. Before our very eyes the City has successfully divided all facets of C.P.D. and is using our greed to destroy years of hard fought gains,that were obtained at great peril . The city is laughing at us over how easy they are getting off with V.R.I. They are using our own greed and shortsightedness to pay for this. Within 5 years we will be working 12 hour days with 2 shifts like a factory and then pushing a Beat Car at 62 and wondering what happened. Now is the time to fight.
11/27/2013 07:33
Agree 100%. The problem is, every copper works and thinks about tomorrow, not 10 or 20 years down the road. They would rather whore themselves out for some petty ass money now(to buy a harley) and bitch about it when they have to work for 40 years. Its typical. We will reap what these assholes sew, unfortunately
Who started the rumor that minimum retirement age will be 63? They're not gonna raise the minimum age 13 years. You guys are a bunch of fear mongers.
No. Minimum age for retirement, if Rahm gets his way, will be raised to 55. He wants the MAX retirement age to go up to 67.
11/29/2013 04:30:00 AM
As of Jan 1, 2011 the retirement age was already raised to 55 for new hires after that date. It covered under SB3538
http://www.civicfed.org/civic-federation/blog/senate-bill-3538-police-and-fire-pension-reforms
scroll down for the new provisions
Anonymous said...
To 12:41 PM nice to hear from you Bill but are you really going to take credit for the new work schedule and the 55 health care? Let's talk about the number of cops who were disabled and you didn't go to bat for. As far as Mike goes we are better of when he is not at the office. At least he can't screw us.
11/28/2013 08:50:00 PM
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Kevin Graham, reporter for the Scum-Times, called in again to the paper. The word is they requested a FOIA at the Pension Board on Dean Angelo. They were told no dice. They refiled and asked not for the content of the file but only if their were any hearings that Dean Angelo requested to the Disability or did he ever request to come off of Disability. That request is still under review but should also turned down.
Nice job Bill of getting Carlos Cortez and Kevin Graham to do your and Mark Donahue's dirty work.
Bill ( thank a vet ) Daugherty and his puppet master Donahue, have always been against retirees. Ask Steve Robbins. He'll tell you.
This makes total sense.
Any Retiree who votes for any of the Citywide team deserves what happens to them.
11/29/2013 05:55:00 PM
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AND, anyone who votes for the Angelo team is a fool too.
Do your homework on Dean Angelo before you vote
He will be far worse for the FOP than Shields ever was.
Trust me.
Any Retiree who votes for any of the Citywide team deserves what happens to them.
11/29/2013 05:55:00 PM
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AND, anyone who votes for the Angelo team is a fool too.
Do your homework on Dean Angelo before you vote
He will be far worse for the FOP than Shields ever was.
Trust me.
I'm a retiree and haven't received a ballet to vote since I retired? I pay the required dues and didn't know we could vote!
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