Wednesday, December 21, 2016

How Bad is Cook County?

One party rule has resulted in an unsustainable business model as discussed about on a local radio show:
  • DAN: Illinois and Wisconsin — So I was speaking to a group of commercial real estate brokers at lunch yesterday. And this guy was telling me, you know, about the climate in Illinois from their perspective as a businessperson that operates in the real estate sector, commercial real estate development. Talk to investors. Talks to big companies, in terms of location decisions, right? So he tells me, we’re talking back and forth about and what’s going on politically and where we find ourselves, and all of the intractable, seemingly intractable, problems that afflict us. But he said, “Let me give you an example of what’s happening and where Illinois is vis-à-vis, like, Wisconsin. Two Costco’s — he’s talking to a honcho at Costco. So they put two Costco outlets, one just south of Mitchell Field, just south of Milwaukee. I think it’s in New Berlin. I’m not sure, but just south of the airport in Milwaukee. And another in Melrose Park, here, in the near west suburbs, Cook County.

    AMY: I’m familiar with Melrose Park.

    DAN: Well, I’m just saying. You know we have people downstate that listen to us, and other states that listen to us. I’m just giving a little geography. Importantly, in Cook County, it costs the same to build the facilities — $33 million dollars for both.

    AMY: Square footage is the same?

    DAN: Yeah. And the same cost to build. The sales are the same, substantially the same, within a few shekels, at the two outlets. The net for Costco at their Milwaukee-area store: $8 million a year. That’s what they net in volume business. The net at their Melrose Park location …

    AMY: Oh, can I guess?

    DAN: What do you think it is?

    AMY: $5 million?

    DAN: $600,000!

    AMY: That’s it? Because of all the taxes?

    DAN: It’s the taxes, and shakedown fees. You know … He talked about, like, there’s a $50,000 a year roof inspection fee, and all of these other layers and layers of taxes, and because we have so many units of government, and fees, and basically, shakedown scams. That’s basically a difference of 13x in terms of return. $8 million dollars just north of the cheese curtain in Milwaukee, a year, that’s their net. $600,000 in Melrose Park in Cook County.
We won't buy bottled water in Chicago at all. We buy ammunition outside of Cook County and we won't even think of buying a gun locally. We're about to start buying soft drinks somewhere within easy driving distance where we can also fill up the car. We aren't the only ones - it makes economic sense, that's how bad it's gotten here. We aren't the only ones and when we retire, it will hopefully be far from here.



Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wisconsin is calling in case the kids and grandkids are tied down in Illinois. Sales tax is 5% sales tax for the state and .5% sale tax for county. Gas prices are basically cheaper too. If you move far enough inland there are no planes, trains, "El"s, expressways, or motorcycles racing up and down LSD or on the Kennedy. People there actually wave at you instead of flipping you off.

I'm sure it is the same in Iowa, Indiana, Kentucky, Tennessee, or anywhere outside of Illinois and outside of an urban area.

12/21/2016 12:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Drive North on I94 get off at Route 60,The Costco in Lake County 1.74% tax on food and 7% on all other items and gas is 30cents a gallon less than Cook County,I go there every 2 weeks it's your money.

12/21/2016 12:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ruinous Taxation
to feed, shelter and support
the active non-contributors who
then vote in sizeable numbers to
keep the politicians who approve
said Ruinous Taxation in office.

12/21/2016 12:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't believe it! My kid, a Chicago copper argues that this City is no Detroit. Boeing is here. We will be the new Silicone Valley! Denial is more than a river. Coppers and Firefighters, because they lack the whack to get their kids into the elite public schools, end up paying another $12,000 a year for parochial schools, while the Church gives scholarships to Baptists from the Southside! This City is Done. Unless you have wealth, or poverty; this City is no longer feasible to live or work. the Middle Class has been betrayed by Da Machine. And Madigan, Daley, Cullerton and now Rahm, will all walk away Millionaires! Your property in Garcia Ridge, or the Play Burbs on the Northwest Side will never go up in value again, because nobody wants to live there! Shit the only reason you are living there is because you have to if you want to keep your job! It's over and trashed. Fu&k Rahm's Chicago Values. Baby"G"

12/21/2016 12:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guys and Gals as soon as you retire, leave the state. I retired and for the first few stayed in Illinois. But recently moved out of state. My taxes here are 23% of what they were. Everything is cheaper. I should have done this right away.

12/21/2016 12:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crook county is a fucking joke

12/21/2016 01:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cook County been bery, bery good to me.

-Senior Roof Inspector #107.

12/21/2016 01:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It makes economic sense. We left last summer and landed in Wisconsin. Utility tax less. Property tax less. We landed far north so you pay extra for winter survival needs and we have no regrets. We breath clean air. We feel safer. Great schools. If you do not have all wheel drive or four wheel drive then forget it. Its all hills. We have 3 shooting ranges very near by which is nice for something to do.

12/21/2016 01:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What happens when Boeing and the other Fortune 500 Corporations decide enough is enough? You know what will be the final nail? An excessive salary tax. When the corporate officers and the Board of Directors get screwed, they will pack up and leave for greener pastures before the fiscal year is done.

12/21/2016 01:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fresh Cheese curtain Dan. Fresh. Like our air and water.

12/21/2016 01:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I did my final Christmas shopping today, at Oakbrook Mall. After I went home and was looking through all my Christmas shopping receipts, I noticed that with the exception of a few small items, all my shopping was done outside of Cook county and/or on-line, from businesses that don't collect Illinois/county taxes.

I saved quite a lot of money.

Screw these thieves.

12/21/2016 01:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How much will real estate be worth when the last taxpayer leaves Cook County?

12/21/2016 01:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In fairness, some of Lake County and places from Harvard to Galena pretty much are philosophically aligned with Wisconsin but the state has been actively recruiting Illinois companies to cross the border (unfortunately for us, the Illinois residents with open checkbooks buying houses have caused our housing costs to increase although they are still cheaper). Some differences:

-Crime: Truth in sentencing in felony cases. No "supervision" hocus pocus in traffic cases. Officers doing their jobs lawfully will usually be backed.

-Schools: More often than not pretty good except in the hoods (and some of them are not so bad by comparison).

-Taxes: High income/property taxes (deductible from federal) and a 5.1-5.6% sales tax (but not on groceries or prescription drugs). That's it.

-Housing: The older stuff usually built like a tank. Inspectors usually do their jobs which they view as "consumer protection."

-Law Enforcement: Most places provide most of your gear and clothing for you. Rural law enforcement is like Forrest Gump's box of chocolates. Half local yokels, half very bright and talented cops who wouldn't last ten minutes in a bureaucracy. Modified lateral transfers possible for out of state officers. CCW permits.

-Grocery prices: usually lower. Check out the parking lot at Woodman's in Kenosha (nation's largest grocery only store) for Illinois plates. Worth the drive for many families.

-Gas prices: Usually a little lower.

-Public employees: Current governor has been harsh but the Wisconsin Retirement Fund remains the most fiscally sound in the nation.

-Medical care: All over the boards. Kenosha has some of the most expensive in the country and not necessarily all that good. Milwaukee pretty good but pricey. In the boonies Marshfield Clinic is the big player for gold card health care and in the western part of the state it's Mayo (which is where Marshfield sends you if they can't take care of you there or UW-Madison is not an option).

Roads: No toll roads.

Airports: Chicago used to be cheaper than Milwaukee but now it varies a lot. Milwaukee is a very civilized airport -- about ten minutes on a good day from your car to the gate. If you live north of Lake Forest it's about the same time to get there as to O'Hare. It's often longer just to get to my car at O'Hare than home from Milwaukee!

Podunk: Not around here. Lake, Racine and Kenosha Counties are well over one million people. Except for pro sports, some theaters and the airports there often isn't much need anymore to go into Chiraq or Killwaukee (which have become increasingly less relevant). People from there come here to shop (and shoplift).

12/21/2016 02:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My wife drinks pop, tons of it. DIET. i AM NOW GOING TO GO TO the nearest border and load up on 20 cases. SCREW YOU COOK COUNTY!

12/21/2016 03:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Born in Wi and still have a lot of family there. Don't believe what you are reading. Wi is a high tax state. State income tax is graduated and starts out 50 or 60% higher than Illinois flat rate and keeps going up. They tax retirement income including pensions. They have a state property tax. They have a tax on services such as haircuts, labor on repairs, dry cleaning etc. The natives are so used to these high taxes they're numb to them.

12/21/2016 04:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Costco stock has been a very profitable investment for me over the last 4 years. I find it hard to believe that costco would operate a business that cost 33 million and net 600,000. If that were the case that store would of been shuttered. Each costco store has specific profit margins that are no where near the numbers bandied about by Dan Proft. Danny likes to embellish a bit on the radio.

12/21/2016 04:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Fresh Cheese curtain Dan. Fresh. Like our air and water."

Come up and smell our dairy air you FIBS OH and our police love Chicago cops

12/21/2016 05:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope that Dan guy exaggerated the 600k number. That would be ridiculous but at the same time very possible in thia state.

12/21/2016 05:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just an FYI. If u show your police i.d. you don't get charged the 50 dollar gun tax and I believe the ammo Taz as wellong in cook co.

12/21/2016 06:06:00 AM  
Blogger The Keesing Bandit said...

Costco is gauche. How is their Lord and Taylor doing?

Now, kees me you fool!!!!

12/21/2016 06:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bought a 2 liter bottle of Diet Coke in Morris, IL (Grundy County) for $1.06. I'll never buy pop in Crook County especially come next July.

12/21/2016 07:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now multiply that by a thousand other businesses, layers and layers of shake downs from these fuckin' thieves...

12/21/2016 07:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In July Toni Prickwankle will start collecting her "Pop Tax" on Cook County residents. It comes out to another $3 tax on a 24 can box of soda pop. Have already decided to drive into Indiana once a month to stock up on soda and gas up the car. Illinois and Cook County is running out of working tax payers. At some point we become Detroit. And that isn't far away.

12/21/2016 07:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DuPage County = easy to get to, easy to buy water, gas, pop, groceries.
Save on everything.

I never understood why we have a Crook County government.

12/21/2016 08:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This post is completely true. I know of some business people, based in the affluent North suburbs, who were looking to open new business offices. They chose to locate the business across the border in Kenosha where the local leaders wanted to create jobs and accommodate the start-ups, not to bilk them as would be the case in Chicago or Crook County.

I seriously envision soft drink stores opening outside of Preckwinkle's Cook County and selling beverages at discounted prices. This business model has worked in other states and the confiscatory new tax will provide an incentive for people to shop elsewhere.

Socialism taken to its extreme has resulted in Canadians (a significant number of Canadians live within one or two hours of the border) purchasing vans and shopping across the US border once a month at a Wal-Mart.

12/21/2016 08:39:00 AM  
Blogger dda6ga dda6ga said...

Amazon charges sales tax so does Newegg both liberal.. Two or more New York based electronics retailer do NOT charge us sales tax, that is an automatic ten per cent savings on cameras, lenses, computers, printers, and other such items..

12/21/2016 08:40:00 AM  
Blogger dda6ga dda6ga said...

Guns ammo food Sun Prairie WI. Costco, Walmart and Cabelas..

12/21/2016 08:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Place i work part-time wanted to put up a sign attached to building sign cost was $2,000, then city wanted an architect cost $2,000 to design (sign was already bought), then another $1,000 inspection fee the owner said "fuck it" and is looking to leave here soon! Wonder where does all that billions of dollars go? rahm is busy pumping billions into saving the illegal criminal invaders, as a matter of fact even using over 1 million of taxpayer rebate money to hire lawyers for teh criminals to keep them here! Rahm says he has millions no one has claimed and he "decided" to use our money for the criminals!

Rahm is standing tall as we are set to lose a total of 3.6 billion in federal aid, because rahm and the 50 stand up for the criminals, and they wonder why shootings are so high, what next will rahm and the 50 wear pins that say "criminal behavior welcomed here"

While our police retirees, where many are now frail,and served this once great city with pride, the rahm crew decided to stop all health care for these "thin blue line soldiers" but yet rahm you can give billions to illegal criminals who invade this corrupt city-state-county! Your a disgusting dishonest man like the 50 praying Trump puts the "boots on the ground " at city hall and then county building and does forensic audits on the massive theft of and mismanagement! God bless the police everywhere "law and order" is coming back hopefully in President Trumps first 100 days!

12/21/2016 09:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Northwest sider here, CostCo, and groceries at another store, both in Oak Brook, once a month. Additional shopping out of Chicago.
Amazon charges only state taxes. Cell phones billed to another state at family members home, billing online so no biggie.
Yes it's a little extra work, but with no choice to live out of the city, and rahm and toni nickle and diming, I'll fight the fight.

Just bought kid a computer for college. Had family buy it in Oregon and ship it. Oregon has no sales tax. After shipping saved $131.00 in taxes.

12/21/2016 09:20:00 AM  
Anonymous cmeat said...

hoffman cabela's built a few hundred yards too far east so they must charge prickwrinkle ammo tax. whoops.
gat' is another five minutes north east and well worth it.

12/21/2016 09:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wife and I moved to WI from big, expensive democrat crime city and best move ever made. Refreshing not to grab a gun every time I leave the house, even going to my car.
WE and SC WI could be a good transition for those from NE IL that want something similar in activity levels.
If you stay clear of milwaukee and madison MSAs and the bleedover from the twin cities, there are a lot of nice areas here. The whole fox river valley, from GB to FDL is economically busy. You can live w/in commuting distance to everything you'd need in that valley, but also be easily commutable to lakes, rivers and woods. I tell people "you're a half an hour from whatever you'd want" if you live commutable distance to appleton as that's more north, so less farmland and more hills/trees. And appleton is a very law and order community, unlike green bay.

Check the property taxes of each housing unit as they can vary greatly even within a city/town.

12/21/2016 09:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't ignore the crapholes of Madison and Milwaukee. Otherwise a great state, but those two cesspools make their stink known across all the borders!

12/21/2016 09:41:00 AM  
Anonymous KMA1999 said...

Illinois politicians believe in the "We can tax them into prosperity" theory.

12/21/2016 10:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DuPage County has lower Sales tax ,restaurant tax ,no Gun ,Ammo tax even lower cigarette tax .. always see several cars with Chicago stickers in food store lot ..more come July 1st .when Crook County Sugar tax kicks in
.No way pay a sugar tax to feed the Crook County Democrat Monster

LOL, a 7 cent tax on plastic bags starting Jan 1st ?? Stores around Chicago borders will be big losers

12/21/2016 10:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

37k left Illinois... most in country. It's cheaper to live in Wisconsin-Indiana-Kentucky and Tennessee. Why stay unless you don't have to?do we have the best food here? Yes. Great sports entertainment? Yes. Shopping? Yes. But, the downsides outweigh the good. So, people are leaving. The biggest problem is the pathetic pandering from the democrats for votes ... and the attacks on the police and middle class. Illinois will continue to suffers as the pols double down on this strategy...while our neighbors prosper.

12/21/2016 12:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Forcing out almost all factory operations and putting in low level retail has been going on for decades in Chicago.
These big box retail companies have to comply with Mandated Hiring Standards, they don't have to disclose those reductions they get.
As long as the politicians can collect revenues, they grow the patronage within a bigger Government, not providing any better services to the taxpayer, but more phones wasteful handouts to deadbeat voters.
It's not the paying of taxes that's sticking me in the eye, it's where and to whom the funds are being spent on.
The city, county and state have so much revenue coming in that if it were operating fairly and smart, they would be giving the Taxpayer money back and could begin collecting less.
Illinois on a whole is one corrupt nasty Democrat State.

12/21/2016 01:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
My wife drinks pop, tons of it. DIET. i AM NOW GOING TO GO TO the nearest border and load up on 20 cases. SCREW YOU COOK COUNTY!

12/21/2016 03:11:00 AM

If you're serious I would do your research before coming up. Soda is often on sale and you should check for deals each week. Woodman's at I-94 and Highway 50 (exit 344 five miles north of the state line) is the nation's largest grocery store and usually has good prices. That said, Festival Foods (80th Street and 36th Avenue) in Kenosha usually has a good sale most weeks. Pick-N-Save was bought out by Kroger and prices have gone way up. Meijer (Highways 50 and 31-Green Bay Road) also has frequent sales on soda. The sales are good enough that many bars and small restaurants get their soda from the grocery store instead of Pepsi and Coke because they can get it cheaper. Bottled water also is on sale often.

Good luck. And slow done (think nine you're fine, ten you're mine).

12/21/2016 01:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Improve your home, new garage, new deck, etc, gotta get a permit. They want your property index number which means the county is gonna find out and raise your taxes. In theory, I should let my property go to shit. Gas, guns, booze, and tobacco all purchased in DuPage. The crooks here have their hands in your pockets a million ways so I go elsewhere to spend when I can.

12/21/2016 01:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep in mind before becoming a cheese head. This is important if you receive a pension.

Only ten states exclude all federal, state, and local pension income from taxation. These include Alabama, Hawaii, Illinois, Kansas, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, New York and Pennsylvania.

12/21/2016 03:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thievery in Melrose Park is costing Costco's its net returns, and at South Ashland Avenue too.

12/21/2016 03:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those figures, if accurate, are completely outrageous.
They're also a big part of what's so very wrong with this fucked up city and county.

12/21/2016 03:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"We will be the new Silicone Valley!"

What...From all the boob jobs maybe?

Oh...maybe Silicon Valley, eh?

12/21/2016 04:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't buy jack muthafuckin shit in shitcago. thank God I live one mile from Indiana. They get all my spending money. Only in an emergency will I buy shit here.

12/21/2016 05:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Golf Rd 294 to Wisconsin Hwy 50 exactly 40 miles. One toll, get off at exit Grand Ave east Great America exit, turn Left on Rt 21 to Rt 41 avoid the last Illinois Toll. Stop at the Point Restaurant for breakfast or lunch 41&21 nice people good food. Go to Hwy 50 there's a huge grocery store WOODMANS prices are a 1/3 less than Jewel and Mariano's. Next go to the Costco in Pleasant Prarie the employees are awesome everyone is polite and they all speak English. I paid $2.04 for gas at the Wi. Costco, $2.59 in Park Ridge. Make a day of it relax. Fuck this county and state every chance you get. Sales Tax 5 1/2 %. ♠

12/21/2016 05:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beware Wisconsin..they tax pensions

12/21/2016 05:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

EBT WIK recipients are exempt from the plastic bag tax and the sugar tax. WTF

12/21/2016 10:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I CAN'T buy ammo from good dealers, cause they won't sell/ship to fookin Cook County. Does anybody REALLY wonder why the State lost over 100,000 in population this past year?


12/21/2016 11:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most people forget that Toni P. Gets an aldermanic pension in addition to her county salary. Just like Danny Davis. The Chicago Way.

12/21/2016 11:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Beware Wisconsin..they tax pensions

12/21/2016 05:33:00 PM
How much longer do you think Illinois will be able,to resist this untapped pot of gold ? Not long.

12/22/2016 01:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lack of residency rule made me choose CCSPD over CPD (plus taking the squad home). Moved out of Crook County ten years before retirement. Shopped (cheap) in Will, Kankakee counties and Indiana. After they closed the courthouse gas pumps (and getting fucked around on our contracts), ALWAYS filled up the squad on the way home in Will county. Only lack of pension tax keeps me in the shithole state of Ill-noise, the American equivalent of North Korea.

12/22/2016 02:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Keep in mind before becoming a cheese head. This is important if you receive a pension.

Only ten states exclude all federal, state, and local pension income from taxation. These include Alabama, Hawaii, Illinois, Kansas, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, New York and Pennsylvania.

12/21/2016 03:38:00 PM
Plus states like Florida and Texas and several others that have no income tax at all.

12/22/2016 07:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you move to Wisconsin and are retired Illinois or (especially Chicago) LEO, getting your IROCC card or renewing is off the table.

No recognition of Illinois training. You can get a Wisconsin CCW like anyone else. But unless you are retired Fed LEO,you SOL.

12/22/2016 09:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Amazon charges sales tax so does Newegg both liberal.. "

Their political stance hasn't a single thing to do with whether they charge you sales tax or not. What DOES is if they have any physical presence in the state, which includes offices, or distribution centers.

"Liberals" (in fact, leftists) are to blame for much, but whether or not you are charged sales tax on a mail order purchase is not their decision.

- The Gentle Grizzly

12/22/2016 02:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
If you move to Wisconsin and are retired Illinois or (especially Chicago) LEO, getting your IROCC card or renewing is off the table.

No recognition of Illinois training. You can get a Wisconsin CCW like anyone else. But unless you are retired Fed LEO,you SOL.

12/22/2016 09:55:00 AM

I'm not sure if that is still the case but I know that there is academy reciprocity as far as certification goes. You may have to take some classes in state law, etc., but the core stuff should be reciprocal.

12/22/2016 08:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

reciprocity for out of state officers in Wisconsin:

12/22/2016 08:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


On point about GAT Guns in East Dundee. Good people, LEO discounts, and a family owned small business to boot.

12/23/2016 08:52:00 AM  

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