Shootings Down?
But homicides still up - wonder at that one.
Heard a report on NewsRadio this evening about shootings being down 40% in the Shotspotter Districts (007, 011). Can anyone verify?
Is the Department giving credit to the Shotspotter company, even though the system is (according to e-mail) buggy as hell and down for unexplained reasons 25-to-40% of the time?
Has there been a weapon arrest directly attributable to the system yet? We figured if there was, it'd be all over the news.
Heard a report on NewsRadio this evening about shootings being down 40% in the Shotspotter Districts (007, 011). Can anyone verify?
Is the Department giving credit to the Shotspotter company, even though the system is (according to e-mail) buggy as hell and down for unexplained reasons 25-to-40% of the time?
Has there been a weapon arrest directly attributable to the system yet? We figured if there was, it'd be all over the news.
Labels: crime, info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
68 Comments:
The Shot spotter is like a Paranoid Old man,It dont know firecrackers from Gunfire,Its a waste of money.
News radio 78, a see bs station. Can't believe much of what you hear there.
How many shooting and/or shooting homicide arrests were the result of cameras? Apparently not enough to offset the numbers since their inception.
It's nice that the Shotspotter can detect the direction of shots, but it still can't miraculously drop cops from the heavens at the precise location, at the precise time and arrest the shooter before the POS has time to flee. So, if you pardon the pun, it is a shot in the dark for the Shotspotter to actually be credited with an arrest for it's technology.
Obviously the system goes berserk during holiday celebratory acts.
It's called weather
I am a sergeant from an outside unit and I can only comment about the times I have been in 007 and that when the shot-spotter gave an address shell casing have been recovered. With that being said it does take the guess work out of the location but it still can't tell you who the shooter was.
The Shotspotter system is staying fetal as well.
Wait until we get that warm weather back next week
rhams boys are fluffing him up for election... who knew he had more fluffers than Mr Marcus
Follow the money..... Shotspotter...... big bucks paid for this.
How does "bIGHEAD eD" stand up there and say that shit with a straight face anyway????
Shootings are down in shotspotter districts? ha! The only reason shotspotter is being discussed by the brass and the media is because of the bill introduced in the state legislature to legalize suppressors for hunting and sport.
they are claiming they have arrested someone, that GOOF LEWIN is on the news claiming how the camera and equipment were instrumental in the apprehension of BAD people.
What the city needs is the Shart Spotter to tell you the location of the nearest White Castle.
money well spent to the rightly steered contracted people
I have to meet Mr. Marcus.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Hey SCC,
Here's what we've tallied for those two districts:
007
Jan 2016 - 24 shot, 6 fatally (1 PO-involved)
Feb 2016 - 26 shot, 4 fatally
Jan 2017 - 30 shot, 6 fatally
Feb 2017 - 20 shot, 2 fatally
011
Jan 2016 - 51 shot, 6 fatally
Feb 2016 - 26 shot, 4 fatally
Jan 2017 - 53 shot, 14 fatally
Feb 2017 - 19 shot, 1 fatally
February is ALWAYS the quietest month of the year which makes for a horrible, albeit politically advantageous comparison point.
-WHT
I was in 007 for almost 2 years and I do not recall an arrest ever being made with the help of Shotspotter. In more cases than not Shots Fired was on viewed by officers on patrol before ShotSpotter came on the are.
Off topic: Cook county and Kim Foxx are releasing inmates who they deem as non-violent offenders. “One person was in for retail theft and couldn’t pay the $300 they needed to walk. . . . Another person broke into their friend’s house and stole some shoes,” Foxx told the Chicago Sun-Times. “An alternative to jail makes sense.” So basically a thief and a home invader/burglar are going to be set free.
The shot spotter is the same as cameras on the street. They are great for information but how many arrests are the result of technology? In 007 and 011, everything depends on a car responding to the scene and hopefully the offender is still there. Without a description, can officers search everyone at the scene? Technology can help but we still need officers on the street.
Fake news ...
I'm sure shootings are down because of the bullet tax. Have to make sure the shots that are fired are on the mark. A stroke of genius I tell 'ya.
I wonder how long it will be before the "Shotspotters" get taken out.
Not Barney Fife said...
The Shotspotter system is staying fetal as well.
3/02/2017 01:08:00 AM
HaHaHa
No technology can replace proactive and intuitive human. Stay fetal.
Could be a case of downtown putting lots of pressure on the dicks to kill crime. Make a shooting look like an accident or suicide. Its happened before.
yeah shootings are down lol
OT: So a few of us were at corp council yesterday, and we were casually asked about a guy named Brock Merck by an attorney. We didn't know about him because we're from the SS (The Mount) so they pulled up this blog for us.
http://rue-st-michel.blogspot.com/
It seems that Brock Merck got a few ears pulled. Good for us. The 63 and 61 teams are on board with him.
Mt. Greenwood is holding, but for not much longer. Residency won us over.
As Mr.Trump would say.....FAKE NEWS!!
I heard a story on the news, had to smile. The anecdotal take-away is this: "President Trump said murders in Chicago were up in February 2017 over February 2016, but the fact is, murders are down". All I could think was, of course. Report fewer murders than actually committed in February 2016, to make the situation look better than it actually is, and then when February 2017 beats it, pad February 2016's numbers retroactively, to make 2017's higher murder count look better than it actually is. It's the Chicago way, right?
The richest thing was hearing Raht comment in advance of President Trump's speech, essentially saying that he's been ineffective, and the results will speak for themselves. (that's right, 50 years of Democrat rulers plowing big cities into the ground, and 5 weeks into President Trump's term and he's "ineffective") Why don't you go build a park or a bike lane or something?
The money should be in the pension fund. Dumping money into failed programs and technology is obviously done for "political purposes". It's the way of the Windy City.
good post sgt from outside unit! thanks for the info......idiot
shootings down ? so are all the crime infested property projects , slum lord owned apt buildings on the westside , drive through Englewood , roseland lots of vacant land , abandoned buildings
number of police officers in budget also down
ballerinas and alderman popularity also way down
time for a strong independent party to form , challenge mayor , every alderman
pledge to reduce waste and number of alderman by 30
February 2017: 48 killed, 166 wounded
February 2016: 46 killed, 156 wounded
February 2015: 20 killed, 59 wounded
February 2014: 22 killed, 54 wounded
Doesn't seem down to me, maybe people are just becoming better shots? or the Bullet tax working?
OFF TOPIC:
was filling out my FOP ballot and did not know many of the candidates!
http://newdirectionblog.org/
deanangelofop7.com
http://thebluevoicechoice.blogspot.com/2017_01_01_archive.html
very thin on content. If someone is in a tight election i would think they would be updating at least daily with all those fella on the tickets.
thank SCC for updates from people who post.
If the system is down 25 to 40% of the time, it follows logically that the shootings recorded are down up to 40%!
It is called creative journalism man. Or, as we like to call it now, FAKE NEWS.
There is a bill before the General Assembly to allow the use/ownership of silencers for hunting in Illinois. This is being heavily supported by the NRA. Could this be a clever ploy by Rahm & Co to help derail this bill?
Where did FakeNews780 get there info?
City Hall.
The listeners got their feel good story, that's all that matters.
Nobody will challenge the mayors claim.
Name one (just one) great crime fighting tool, implement, study or program, supplied from a non-connected firm, that the City admitted was a failure.
It's amazing that not a single thing that the City provides fails...exceptions are the CPD Merit Hacks and The Mayors Bloated Staff.
Stay Fetal.
The shot-spotter company is working on a android police officer. A hybrid of robo-cop and the six million dollar man. DNA technology, gene splicing, micro-electronics, NANO BIO-ELECTRONICS and cloning will create a hi-bred human. This creature will be smarter, stronger and near god like. First uses military, then law enforcement. They are the future.
(OT) wow great news the state budget is saved:
Rauner, Chance the Rapper to meet Friday
Chance the Rapper said he'll meet with Gov. Bruce Rauner on Friday to talk about funding for Chicago Public Schools after the governor had to postpone a previous meeting to assess storm damage in north-central Illinois. "Update: The Governor and I are now scheduled to meet Friday morning, I'm more...
The governor refused to meet with the President Donald Trump but wanted this important meeting gee a 23 year old rapper must be like meeting with a top accountant to Bruce! The wheels are officially off the train! What kind of goofy pandering is this?
If you remember the movie “Naked Gun” Leslie Nielsen tells the crowd in front of the Chinese fireworks factory “Move along - nothing to see here.” Well just because someone tells you something you should verify before taking what they say as gospel. Some examples: Mike Shields send out a five page mailer with crazy stuff in it and The Blue Voice is posting crap on a website. If they throw enough shit at the wall maybe something will stick for a moment while it has your attention.
Shields writes:
“Dean is failing to network in Springfield with state reps and senators to protect our interests.”
Mike writes this just as the FOP does the heavy lifting in the override of the Governor’s veto of the police/fire COLA bill.
Blue Voice posts:
Fop is hoping to get additional funds for our pensions “from a casino that does not exist and is not on the horizon.”
Blue voice posts this crap on the SAME DAY the Illinois Senate Passes the Casino Bill and sends it to the Illinois House of Representatives.
As Ronald Reagan said “Trust but Verify.” Vote but before you vote verify all the crap your read. If they are feeding you shit now will it stop if they are elected?
Do we have decipher whether driver is terrorist or the more common urban terrorist who calls the south and west side home ?
http://nypost.com/2017/02/28/nypd-told-to-shoot-vehicles-to-prevent-ramming-attack/
Shootings down in 007, 009 (not homicides), 011.
Shootings up in: 003, 004, 005, 010, 015,025
So what's it matter?
Lololol idiots!!!!! I dream of Jeannie spotter give us a break!
Not a copper...but I listen to my scanners all day here at work (hobby since I was a kid). I've literally never heard "shotspotter" on the radio - how do these shootings it supposedly detects get reported to PO's and/or sent out on the radio? Or do they go directly to the box? Seems like most if not all of the shots fired calls come from coppers who heard the shots and/or from non-garbage citizens actually reporting crimes. Thanks.
Attorney General Jeff Sessions recuses himself from an investigation that may involve him. Mike Shields picks the committee of his close friends to hear the charges against him that he admitted his guilt, yet the committee and 13 members of the board of directors find him not guilty. Chicago / crook county values have invaded our FOP.
Chance the rapper is the son of Rahm's chief of staff. He is Rahm's envoy.
All these offenders are urban terrorists. Bring in the Feds and start charging these terrorists federally and make them do enormous time!
McCarthy is about to be on Fox News.....hes gonna tell us all how you coppers are gona do stop and frisk and be like New Yorkers......and ummmmmm, be called racists for doing it.
If y'all have any sense, you will not participate in that garbage meant to set YOU GUYS up as the bad guy. You will slow down and stand down even MORE as the Rahmsters try to blame anyone and everyone but themselves!
W.H. Thompson said...
Hey SCC,
Here's what we've tallied for those two districts:
007
Jan 2016 - 24 shot, 6 fatally (1 PO-involved)
Feb 2016 - 26 shot, 4 fatally
Jan 2017 - 30 shot, 6 fatally
Feb 2017 - 20 shot, 2 fatally
011
Jan 2016 - 51 shot, 6 fatally
Feb 2016 - 26 shot, 4 fatally
Jan 2017 - 53 shot, 14 fatally
Feb 2017 - 19 shot, 1 fatally
February is ALWAYS the quietest month of the year which makes for a horrible, albeit politically advantageous comparison point.
-WHT
Last year was leap year.
Did that impact any numbers?
Simple...better marksmanship
good job to the guys and girls in 007 and 011. less shootings are less shootings and if you get less shootings in those two districts its a good thing and it shows from coppers hard work.
question for news media investigative reporters
is paper generated for the shots fired reported by shot spotter
are officers looking for cartridge cases etc
I bet the answer id No
Anonymous Anonymous said...
W.H. Thompson said...
Hey SCC,
Here's what we've tallied for those two districts:
007
Jan 2016 - 24 shot, 6 fatally (1 PO-involved)
Feb 2016 - 26 shot, 4 fatally
Jan 2017 - 30 shot, 6 fatally
Feb 2017 - 20 shot, 2 fatally
011
Jan 2016 - 51 shot, 6 fatally
Feb 2016 - 26 shot, 4 fatally
Jan 2017 - 53 shot, 14 fatally
Feb 2017 - 19 shot, 1 fatally
February is ALWAYS the quietest month of the year which makes for a horrible, albeit politically advantageous comparison point.
-WHT
Last year was leap year.
Did that impact any numbers?
3/02/2017 07:20:00 PM
Yes. Obviously there was one more day. What impacts the numbers more is the number of weekends in a given month. Sometimes there are four and sometimes there are five. Big difference.
OT: So a few of us were at corp council yesterday, and we were casually asked about a guy named Brock Merck by an attorney. We didn't know about him because we're from the SS (The Mount) so they pulled up this blog for us.
http://rue-st-michel.blogspot.com/
It seems that Brock Merck got a few ears pulled. Good for us. The 63 and 61 teams are on board with him.
Mt. Greenwood is holding, but for not much longer. Residency won us over.
016 district coppers are voting for Brock Merck as well along with a bunch from 025. Residency will finally be brought to light. Some coppers will hold onto their" investments" and not give a shit about residency but I want out of this cesspool. Don't forget "investment" guys people are leaving Illinois faster than any other state in the country! And by Illinois they mean Chicago lol.. ACLU was even open to listening to what I had to say about residency and said they had many firemen call regarding it and if enough officers or firemen got together maybe we would have something. Merck is gonna bring residency to the table. Nobody else has the balls. Three of the coppers on the ballot are connected to rham one way or another and dean is dean. Anyone remember when Brock stood up and challenged Eddie Johnson about his wife cheating on the exam? I was there and the guy doesn't give a shit he called out the supt straight to his face and told him he wasn't satisfied with EJs answer. First time I saw fat Eddie sweat like that.
Send in The I.R.S. Arguably the least popular Federal OirganIzation and thats saying a bit. Al Capone didnt get thrown into human storage for 1 single homicide, agg battery, or even sellin booze. He died of an STD on charges of tax evasion.
as Bobby Rush eloquently said 'Not every black man driving a nice sled is a crime." Can U believe we were forced fed that BULLSHIT and TOOK it?
Can't we ask these guys with no income, receiving money from The Gov't, and driving really nice sleds like Mr. Rush does to prove their income?
How does an uneducated, violence prone(and proud of it)lady or girl slapping young gentlemen purchase that blink, buy those sleds, and buy their Mother's Homes?
Some might be rappers or hip hop artists like Chance The Rapper(Congrats young man)but the others with no viable skill, money from WIC or whatever it is now, and that stack of $50s that makes everyone in line stare in disbelief that their money is directly paying for this young gentleman's living expenses.
Things that make you go.......WTF, U Mother fuckin piece of shit?
Bill Burr, the phenomenal comedian, has a goof where he believes theres not enough food or water for Humanity so Bill says if your not in the upper third of what you do, just walk into the oceans so the top third can live. Just a bit from a stellar comedian, but they say there's an element of truth in humor.
Lake Michigan is pretty big and if these THUGS did it in winter, of course agreeing to 'The Burr Solution" this would go over like a Led Zepplin.
I'll end this with a quote from a person who was one of the best at what he did. I thank The Sweet Lord Jesus for letting us have them for the short time we did.
"You need coolin, baby, I'm not foolin
I'm gonna send you back to schoolin"
-Plant, Mr. or Sir
It would be nice if the fed' took over CPD and made a fed head of all operations of CPD. Fat Ed would be history and Rahm would have zero say in running CPD. Rahm would cut off the other 9 1/2 he has left. Sorry 10 1/2, he has two thumbs on the left hand. Watch him on the news as he is always trying to hide the second thumb. Kid you not !
All the merit people would be pushing a car on midnights working a full tour. Remember the former Country Club Hills Chief, retired CPD who sits in a federal joint. hint-hint ! Merit to get otj, merit dick, merit sgt, and merit Lt. Always had a great spot with be under radar.
Fat Ed should be asked about her and she working with him !
Isn't residency required by state statute? You can't negotiate a contract to change a state statute. Don't you actually have to bribe, l mean lobby the state legislature to change, delete or enact a state law? Guess I'm missing something but I did live in the city because I knew it was a condition of employment when I was hired. I no longer live there and realize that I was born there and didn't know that life is much better outside of Chicago and not being under rahm's rule is a good thing!
Shootings down, murders up? After all the practice the "nice young peaceful gentlemen" have had over the last year, they should be getting better and hitting their targets with higher accuracy. Or maybe they are holding their guns straight instead of from the side....
March 2 615pm
I see somebody knows...Chance has more whack than everybody posting here and that is the truth.
How about this, BULLSHIT.
The city pulls this "stunt" every year at this time and the media takes the bait. Shootings and or Homicides are always down at this time of year...Yawwwwnnnn.
OT: So a few of us were at corp council yesterday, and we were casually asked about a guy named Brock Merck by an attorney. We didn't know about him because we're from the SS (The Mount) so they pulled up this blog for us.
http://rue-st-michel.blogspot.com/
It seems that Brock Merck got a few ears pulled. Good for us. The 63 and 61 teams are on board with him.
Mt. Greenwood is holding, but for not much longer. Residency won us over.
016 district coppers are voting for Brock Merck as well along with a bunch from 025. Residency will finally be brought to light. Some coppers will hold onto their" investments" and not give a shit about residency but I want out of this cesspool. Don't forget "investment" guys people are leaving Illinois faster than any other state in the country! And by Illinois they mean Chicago lol.. ACLU was even open to listening to what I had to say about residency and said they had many firemen call regarding it and if enough officers or firemen got together maybe we would have something. Merck is gonna bring residency to the table. Nobody else has the balls. Three of the coppers on the ballot are connected to rham one way or another and dean is dean. Anyone remember when Brock stood up and challenged Eddie Johnson about his wife cheating on the exam? I was there and the guy doesn't give a shit he called out the supt straight to his face and told him he wasn't satisfied with EJs answer. First time I saw fat Eddie sweat like that.
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Too bad the fetality has found its way to the coppers regarding residency. Everytime I ask about this I get "it's state law nothing we can do about it". Bullfuckingshit. Every time it's been challenged it's lost. You can write any law you want doesn't mean it will stand in court. Voting for Merck or Maguire but I feel like do nothing Dean will be reelected. Hope everyone enjoys that big retro check that only cost you your due process to get.
If you remember the movie “Naked Gun” Leslie Nielsen tells the crowd in front of the Chinese fireworks factory “Move along - nothing to see here.” Well just because someone tells you something you should verify before taking what they say as gospel. Some examples: Mike Shields send out a five page mailer with crazy stuff in it and The Blue Voice is posting crap on a website. If they throw enough shit at the wall maybe something will stick for a moment while it has your attention.
Shields writes:
“Dean is failing to network in Springfield with state reps and senators to protect our interests.”
Mike writes this just as the FOP does the heavy lifting in the override of the Governor’s veto of the police/fire COLA bill.
Blue Voice posts:
Fop is hoping to get additional funds for our pensions “from a casino that does not exist and is not on the horizon.”
Blue voice posts this crap on the SAME DAY the Illinois Senate Passes the Casino Bill and sends it to the Illinois House of Representatives.
As Ronald Reagan said “Trust but Verify.” Vote but before you vote verify all the crap your read. If they are feeding you shit now will it stop if they are elected?
Thats right old school you should verify everything. First Dean has not submitted one bill in three years. The Casino bill is the City's bill. Yes, Rahm's bill. Look at Amendment 4. 13 other bills have to pass first. 11 of these bills we are not interested in. This bill isn't close to passing yet Deano sends out an email blast like its almost here. Our, I repeat our pension fund was shorted 173 million in 2016 alone. It will be over 200 million each year until the Casino comes. This is all Dean's fault. This is a fact. Thanks I wouldn't vote for Dean.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Isn't residency required by state statute? You can't negotiate a contract to change a state statute. Don't you actually have to bribe, l mean lobby the state legislature to change, delete or enact a state law? Guess I'm missing something but I did live in the city because I knew it was a condition of employment when I was hired. I no longer live there and realize that I was born there and didn't know that life is much better outside of Chicago and not being under rahm's rule is a good thing!
3/03/2017 08:12:00 AM
You are correct it is a waste of time will never change deal with it! Your wasting energy to try and do this hope for a good contract, restore retiree health care, fully fund pension and for President trump to put things in writing scrap that nonsense rahm consent decree take the gloves off police "back blue" watch and see how the police if properly protected lock up the scum that keep terrorizing neighborhoods, use federal alws. as a matter of fact rip CPD from rahms crew federalize it enforce only federal laws,as a bonus sine rahm is violating federal laws with illegal criminals we could thus "lock him up!" that would stop the reign of theft and terror!
That’s right old school you should verify everything. Thanks I wouldn't vote for Dean.
3/03/2017 02:34:00 PM
I will not vote for Shields and will never ever vote for Graham or anyone ever affiliated with the Donahue/Dougherty/Ag-u-liar Shitty-Wide team! Tin foil boy Brock is a no go too. So only a couple of days to vote. Who would you suggest?
Whatever......
Up, down, innie,outie......
Do you believe ANY of their bullshit "numbers", or your own lying eyes?
Cook County is not safe for real people.
There is no such thing as "gun violence." This was a ploy by community groups to get in the press with their own agendas. People are violent and immature and want to fight or beat up vulnerable people. Crimes such as stalking and hate crimes are not prosecuted and this is why these situations escalate into shootings and murders and the police get blamed for not doing anything until it becomes a murder.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Isn't residency required by state statute? You can't negotiate a contract to change a state statute. Don't you actually have to bribe, l mean lobby the state legislature to change, delete or enact a state law? Guess I'm missing something but I did live in the city because I knew it was a condition of employment when I was hired. I no longer live there and realize that I was born there and didn't know that life is much better outside of Chicago and not being under rahm's rule is a good thing!
3/03/2017 08:12:00 AM
It's a city ordinance allowed because Chicago has home rule
If it were a state law all the cities in Illinois would have to obey it and residency
It is a state law that applies to cities with population over 250k. There are many laws that only apply to Chicago using this method.
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