Useless Felony Review
Once again, proving how Foxxx's office is overstaffed, useless, and dedicated to downgrading crime by any means possible:
- Hey SCC, don't know if your aware but the CCSA office now wants victims of crimes that require felony review locked into a videotaped statement BEFORE felony charges are approved. Case in point:
...in 016 a man in car points a gun at another man driving his car over a road rage incident cause by the man with the gun. Call goes out, a beat car stops the suspect vehicle and a gun is recovered and offender arrested. The victim is in the station after he calls 911 and the bad guy brought in, positive ID of offender, vehicle and gun. Now the Kim Foxx zone, the ASA wants the beat car to go to the area and retrieve an iPod/tablet recording device and go to the victim and record the victims [statement] after 6 hrs since the arrest.
Now the [victim] is pissed and goes home after the ASA asks the officers to ask numerous nonsensical questions to the victim about the incident. Charges are then DENIED for felony UUW. The 3rd Watch WC calls for an over ride and then the ASA comes into the station and requests the arresting officer along with a Sgt. with a camera equipped car go over to the victims residence to get the victim to stand in front of the vehicle and make his statement into the camera. Well the victim is pissed off, refuses a statement but reluctantly charges are approved by ASA almost 10 hrs after the arrest. Now go get em guys!
How about making this easier on the victims of crime? After all, we're getting paid there to be given the runaround by bottom-of-the-class, second-rate lawyers. The victim is being victimized twice - by the shithead and by the system.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
112 Comments:
Detective here. Been in the similar situations. Most of us will tell the ASA to pound salt. Approve or not. Pending video statement by victim is not a legit reason not to approve. Victim has an absolute right to refuse any recording including handwritten and demand justice.
But you can bet the pension that had said victim been legally armed and lit this mope up, the ASAs would have been all over putting a case on him. This is what you get when critical thinking is no longer taught. Fucking sheep....
Have the victim file an ARDC complaint against the ASA.
CRIME IS DOWN!!!
Crimes not reported, crimes where charges are never filed, crimes that the victim says "Fuck It!" don't count.
If it is never reported, Rahm can say it never happened. Fuck the Taxpaying Citizens of Crooked County and Chitcago.
Rahm needs to get reelected, that is all that matters!
usual suspects....pay us more to have to keep dealing with them....
About a week and half ago, 2 officers get into a fight with a known police fighter when they respond to a Domestic in 022. The fight occurs and the offender initially gets away until arrested the following day. The officers did not suffer any injuries. One officer was punched in the face during the encounter, glasses knocked from his face and his vest was torn. Paperwork done, TRRs done, Detectives called, witness (Baby Momma) affirms officers description of what happened. Offender (known Police fighter) admits to Detective that he fought with police and has been charged in the past. ASA Peterson contacted and REFUSES charges because she said so. Thanks Kim Foxx. Officer asked for an override and was informed by Detective that any override is being automatically dismissed in bond court. UNBELIEVABLE! Screw Kim Foxx!
love your country or leave
An exhausted, heaving, trembling man finally made it
to a nearby station and summoned the Watch Officer.
"I'm the mayor of this city and I've been shanked in the
back by two illegal Mexican aliens. Call ICE and get
me some medical help, I'm about to die."
Officer: Can you prove it?
Rahm: "O.K., I'm turning around, get a look at that Bowie
knife."
Officer: No sir, I mean I need to see your I.D.
Rahm: "WHAT? I'LL HAVE YOUR FUCKING STAR FOR THIS!"
Officer: Official CPD Protocol sir, directed by the mayor himself,
now may I see some identification please?
Rahm: "The Mexicans rolled me for my wallet and cell phone, they even
took the pocket change."
Officer: Sir, you are not permitted to use CPD equipment. There's a
pay phone on the wall. Ask the people in the chairs for some quarters.
By the way, you have no blood running down your back, just a green fluid
like bile.
Rahm: "So you're a fucking Doctor, too? Call the paramedics, I need a
hospital."
Officer: As a courtesy, I'll call for you, but you may hassled at the E.R.
over lack of I.D. We're all in the red on budgets, and the city-wide directive
is no I.D., no treatment. The illegals have bankrupted this city and used it
as a sanctuary.
Rahm: "Fuuuuucccck! I'll have your job for this, asshole!"
(at that point, Rahm keels over, directly on his back, impaling the Bowie
knife up to the handle. He is dead.)
have the caps office figure it out
Unfortunately, the real victimization doesn't start until you bring the victim to the station or area.
You must respect the criminals rights.
The Victims? Fuck those guys!
/s/- Your Favorite ASA
Make it hard on the victim, then they don't complain. No complaint = no crime.
It's all part of the plan.... by insane SJW Democrats...
Heh...
Another in a line of greatest hits by
Kimesha "Me an' My Peoples/Folkses
Revenge Against Y'all" Foxx.
It's The Police who are the problem.
Right?
un real Un fucking real
Yeah. I won't do this. Foxx is a fuckin mutt
Long time detective here. Without all the facts and basing this on what's posted...the ASA's request sounds reasonable. Absent an independent witness or some other type of evidence, it's a he said he said case.
Felony review was created in the late 1970s by SA Bernard Carey. It's works great for whomever the State's Attorney is but not so great for everyone else especially the victim. It assures the SA a high conviction rate (in the high 90s) which looks great when running for reelection. The SA office wants only cases that are a slam dunk in the trial court. An ASA trial supervisor once told me that if someone in felony review sends a case (other than the slam dunk) to a first chair that felony review person will be despised by everyone and they will have a short career with the SAO. Over the years the office has become twisted and now it's just a numbers game for the vote.
And dummies are still taking this job.
Not surprised!
Foxx is all about letting her "Peoples and Folks" go!
It would have been better if the victim shot and killed the offender!
Point a gun at me, I will respond with a bang!
I tell all my victims and future victims, to go get a carry and conceal license!
Practice! Practice! Practice!
NRA Guy!
I can honestly say, I'm glad I'm NOT a Detective and I'm ready to retire and leave this shithole of a liberal city!
Liberalism is a mental disorder!
Nothing to see here "Its the Chicago way" keep moving.
I've seen plenty of road rage incidents where even I may have been involved in and the key factor to ending it is for someone to back off. Of course no one backs off and the machismo in the car continues. Sounds like a BS incident.
9/10/2017 01:05:00 AM
This statement has to be false, you said 022 and arrest...can't be true.
The U.K. Ha been doing this for years read Life at the Bottom by Theodore Darlrumple. There are 2 chapters on the police.
In our Bizarro World, the offenders are the victims.
Victim has an absolute right to refuse any recording including handwritten and demand justice.
So now victims are being treated like police officers. Get them to make a statement on camera so later, when asked the same questions for the 20th time, if there is the slightest deviation from the original statement, not only will charges be dismissed but that could expose the victim to legal problems when shit head sues the city and includes victim in the lawsuit for unlawful arrest and defamation of his fine, upstanding character.
/sarcasm
Low numbers keep citizens happy, politicians happy and ones who go after new business happy.
Pictures or it never happened!
Okay....retired guy here....have read blog since day one...yet somehow I missed this one...what is "sjw"
You did forget to mention that more times than not, the victim is usually the taxpayer. He's the one who is actually paying Foxx's salary. Gotta love Cook County. Keep paying exorbitant taxes. Keeping getting inferior services. Thanks, Prickwanker!
Anonymous said...
About a week and half ago, 2 officers get into a fight with a known police fighter when they respond to a Domestic in 022. The fight occurs and the offender initially gets away until arrested the following day. The officers did not suffer any injuries. One officer was punched in the face during the encounter, glasses knocked from his face and his vest was torn.
Punched in the face and no injuries? Well you find one! From a broken or bent eye lash, fractured orbital, contusion...
Maybe you should play it out and let it be dismissed at bond court. Than get the judge's name on the no vote list? Something has to be done to change the bullshit! Just going along with the nonsense is crazy! Keep building the case against the state's attorney office for next election?
Who am I kidding? No one really gives a fuck until it's your family or clout that is involved......
So she shot an UN-ARMED FLEEING FELON??? Who posed no imminent DANGER to anyone else???'''Uh OH....Oh wait a min. She's NOT the POOOOLEEECES, so she good.....Me or you...Not so much....
Anonymous said...
Long time detective here. Without all the facts and basing this on what's posted...the ASA's request sounds reasonable. Absent an independent witness or some other type of evidence, it's a he said he said case.
9/10/2017 02:09:00 AM
Longer time detective here. A vast majority of cases are "he said she said", please just the facts ma'am...
If you still take the job serious you are a fool!! Upset because felony review is full of shit, going to the wc for an override. It's all bullshit, come in answer the radio go home!! Quit taking shit personal & trying to be super cop!! Rest assured that office will have no problem charging you with the felony while you're out trying to be the police
Stories like this just don't surprise me anymore. I'm at the point where I believe everything and everyone having anything to do with Chicago and/or Cook County government is corrupt, incompetent, or just down right lazy. I can't wait to retire and leave this shithole city and county.
The sanctuary city strikes another blow for criminal and illegal alien rights.
(Fuck the hard working, law abiding, tax paying citizens.)
J.J.
The CCSA office has moved from a Criminal Justice to a Social Justice system.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Long time detective here. Without all the facts and basing this on what's posted...the ASA's request sounds reasonable. Absent an independent witness or some other type of evidence, it's a he said he said case.
9/10/2017 02:09:00 AM
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hmmm... long time detective? It is not a he said/ she said case, actually ... ahem ... it is a UUW case is that not what the officer said? The officers recovered a gun, isn't that what I read? Now, it is quite possible the gun was not on the guy when recovered, and that would make the victim's statement come into play, but I kind of doubt that.
the ASA always wanted a handwritten when the victim was a POS, which is probably the case here
signed,
a longer time detective
In my law school class the bottom 3 students all got jobs with the CCSAO. They are not hiring the cream of the crop and the good lawyers that do work there rarely stay long because they are surrounded by incompetence and bureaucracy. It is the worst government agency in the county and the laughing stock of prosecutors offices across the state. Only the best for the citizens of Shitcago.
I would document that exact statement like you said and the run around by the asa in a supp report. Make sure it lands squarely on them. And , as parting gift, give the victim and all witnesses the number to Felony Review , 773-674-3020
Where is Attorney General Lisa Madigan? Why is her office silent on this crap by kim fox? I guess Lisa's office is busy getting ready to punish toy makers and car seat makers in time for Christmas. There is no justice in this state. Why would Amazon want to have a second headquarters here? Im sending an email to Amazon this morning warning them not to come here. I will send it with links showing the failures stemming from Cook County States Attorneys office and Sheriffs office.
Request isn't that unreasonable, IF convenient technology exists to do so. I applaud the thought to use the ICC. Body cameras will help with this, and should be used. The sooner you lock people into statements, the better.
Our Eugene Pincham for State's Atty. Pincham says "pinch-em"
Long time detective here. Without all the facts and basing this on what's posted...the ASA's request sounds reasonable. Absent an independent witness or some other type of evidence, it's a he said he said case.
9/10/2017 02:09:00 AM
Wow.... he said (innocent victim) he said (convicted felony pos) and low and behold, a gun recovered as described by the he said (innocent victim) .... no hand written, no under the lights needed..
Leave these for the violent offenses where you begin to lock in the ones you know always get the no snitch fever.
Please let us know if you are this detective if called out so I can swiftly take you by your new tie and ..... let you know you... are not the judge and jury
The offender can be held for 48 hours. Get the statement that night and get paid, or get it the next day.
The KomodoKim Krew doesn't like single complaining witness Felonies no matter how serious the charge.
The longer they make you wait the more likely the problem and interest fades away.
What a sham.
As if "locking a witness statement" in video or written has any bearing even if/when a case comes before Judges like Carol M. Howard.
It makes the PO that jagbag when citizen witnesses feel they're are being treated like third class citizens when We have to do the work of the ASA.
Boy did they ever think KomodoKimm was going to backstab them?
The message is clear.
The accused community member is merely inconvenienced until witnesses gives up and go away.
It used to be points were awarded (bragging rights) for Convictions.
Now it's Denials.
We'll know when we hit rock bottom when they start doing assignment hand-offs starting at the moment of the arrest.
This is Rahm's crime problem and not ours.
Take Jugghead Special Ed's sickly advice: We can't arrest our way out of this.
The arrest is a meaningless activity.
Making one should be for the overtime only and there's no reason to get jammed up trying to get either.
Fetal is best.
Anonymous said...
About a week and half ago, 2 officers get into a fight with a known police fighter when they respond to a Domestic in 022. The fight occurs and the offender initially gets away until arrested the following day. The officers did not suffer any injuries. One officer was punched in the face during the encounter, glasses knocked from his face and his vest was torn. Paperwork done, TRRs done, Detectives called, witness (Baby Momma) affirms officers description of what happened. Offender (known Police fighter) admits to Detective that he fought with police and has been charged in the past. ASA Peterson contacted and REFUSES charges because she said so. Thanks Kim Foxx. Officer asked for an override and was informed by Detective that any override is being automatically dismissed in bond court. UNBELIEVABLE! Screw Kim Foxx!
9/10/2017 01:05:00 AM
So, the courts are conspiring against the victims.
And Tim Evans is complicit.
I used to LOVE this city; I'm building a house in another state and I can't wait to flee.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Long time detective here. Without all the facts and basing this on what's posted...the ASA's request sounds reasonable. Absent an independent witness or some other type of evidence, it's a he said he said case.
9/10/2017 02:09:00 AM
Let's use common sense "Detective" There's a road rage incident. Happens all the time. One of the two call 911 and describe the person that (allegedly) pulled a gun on them. They describe the car which eventually gets stopped by the police and low and behold...THERES A GUN in the car. Now let's use your Detective powers of reasoning. How, I ask would the victim have known that particular offender driving that particular vehicle would have a gun in it unless the offender removed said weapon from its conceiled location and pointed it at the victim?? Riddle me that one "Detective"
Way to go ASA's. You're supposed to be part of the "good guys" who put the bad guys away. Nowadays, it looks like you've switched sides and work for the bad guys. I guess this is part of the liberal progressive agenda though. Damn libtards got everything all screwed up.
To the "long time detective" who says "he said he said case": You are a damn fool! Hope to the good Lord that I never, ever, get you working on a case that I am associated with. It is fools like you that cause us to have so many problems. Highly doubt you are a "long time detective" You are damn right it is he said, he said! However, backed by evidence: gun recovered! Hey, dip shit - if old boy didn't produce the gun how the hell would the victim know about it? Wonder if you would say the same thing if it happened to you? e.g. "honest he tried to punch me so I utilized my taser." Boss, "Bullshit, it's a he said he said case. 10 days off without pay." What say you now? Asshat!
felony review is what...a step up from traffic court? i can't tell you how many times i had to write in "felony charges NOT approved per asa alverez". Same shit, different decade.
That's Kim and her "restorative justice".
01:10 AM
"Sweet dreams are made of this..." - The Eurythmics
Go to work officers and only do what is absolutely required of you. Put your horse blinders on and don't make any street stops. Answer your calls. Wave to the citizens and smile. Collect your paycheck and go home safe to your family after every shift. Give the Progressive Liberal Communist Socialist Democrat politicians and police haters what they want. Not worth doing real police work and losing your job and perhaps going to jail. The game has changed and you must change with it.
foxx needs to be removed from office asap.
@ mister dick 02:09 AM, How is it reasonable to have to have it recorded? YOU'RE RECORDING THE VICTIM! If it's he said she said does it add validity to the "he said" that it's on video? The statement is the same you boob. This is exactly why clearance rates are 20 percent. I hope to God I'm never a victim in this city with detectives like this around.
I gave up on police work!
Just hanging around, doing nothing and waiting to retire!
Screw this Police Dept. and City!
The A.S.A. Felony Review needs to be eliminated from the investigation process, only County in the country that does this dumb shit and waste resources and piss off the victims!
Cases should be brought straight to court and NOT tried in the Areas!
Another Detective here, I would guess the victim wasn't the most respected guy out there, the story may have been a little unbelievable or he had a lengthy rap sheet
as i said before kimesha is as dumb as a box of rocks
rudy guiliani for states attorney
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Detective here. Been in the similar situations. Most of us will tell the ASA to pound salt. Approve or not. Pending video statement by victim is not a legit reason not to approve. Victim has an absolute right to refuse any recording including handwritten and demand justice.
9/10/2017 12:29:00 AM
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Not a bad assessment.
They always want the sure thing and never want to argue the case in court
There has to be a better way to do this shit. Bringing in a victim to sit around and wait for several hours just to get charges approved is crap. By the end of it all they dont want anything to do with the arrest.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Where is Attorney General Lisa Madigan? Why is her office silent on this crap by kim fox? I guess Lisa's office is busy getting ready to punish toy makers and car seat makers in time for Christmas. There is no justice in this state. Why would Amazon want to have a second headquarters here? Im sending an email to Amazon this morning warning them not to come here. I will send it with links showing the failures stemming from Cook County States Attorneys office and Sheriffs office.
9/10/2017 09:39:00 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......they are both Democrats...........commies,, left wingers, just like the ones running Amazon......Any company who would move to a city which violates federal law should have their head examined..
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Long time detective here. Without all the facts and basing this on what's posted...the ASA's request sounds reasonable. Absent an independent witness or some other type of evidence, it's a he said he said case.
9/10/2017 02:09:00 AM
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hmmm... long time detective? It is not a he said/ she said case, actually ... ahem ... it is a UUW case is that not what the officer said? The officers recovered a gun, isn't that what I read? Now, it is quite possible the gun was not on the guy when recovered, and that would make the victim's statement come into play, but I kind of doubt that.
the ASA always wanted a handwritten when the victim was a POS, which is probably the case here
signed,
a longer time detective
So the "victim" is actually more witness than victim. I have no love for felony review, but the request is reasonable. Make the case and stop being lazy. Too much time spent crybabying. In the end, it's a gun case that's probably going no where. Victim already seems uncooperative so fuck him. It wasn't two days of round the clock work. Too many half-assers on this job that want their way then pout and whine when they don't get it. That's why we got the DOJ and the communerty breathing down our backs. Be thorough and meticulous with your investigations. Articulate on paper and in court. Be patient. Dial down the meathead copper and turn up the professionalism.
Anonymous said...
Okay....retired guy here....have read blog since day one...yet somehow I missed this one...what is "sjw"
Social Justice Warrior
Long time detective here. Without all the facts and basing this on what's posted...the ASA's request sounds reasonable. Absent an independent witness or some other type of evidence, it's a he said he said case.
I'm not a detective here, just a man with common sense. If someone has a gun in his car and is driving down the street, how would another driver know he had that gun unless that person displayed it in some way. This person didn't call the police on random cars on the street. He called on one driver and one car, and amazingly that driver has a gun. And really the caller would be the witness. 2+2=4 in this case.
I'm all for constructive criticism of CCSA policies. It does, however, hep to have all the facts straight before slamming cars you know nothing about. What was conveniently left out of the recitation of facts in this case is that there was a second person in the vehicle the gun was recovered in. That second person happened to be the child of a 16th District officer. The person was also let go from the station before giving any statement.The gun was recovered from the back seat of the offending vehicle . Is it inconvenient to get a recorded statement from the victim? Sure, is it out of line in this situation? No .
Most ASA's really do try but are hamstrung by you know who. They are not being allowed to do the job they signed up for with this admin. So next time you personally decide to pick on any ASA that comes to a call or you deal with over the phone or even in court. Remember they are just doing as they are told just like every officer has a supervisor to answer to. As a officer myself. I have nothing but respect for the ASA's that come out and deal with us (CPD). A lot of Us (CPD)can barely print a report properly (don't even say that you don't know a officer or 2 that can't articulate what they ate for lunch let alone a nice arrest.) So just give them some slack next time you deal with any ASA. But if it's FOXX then rip into her .
So without knowing the entire story I can tell you with certainty that the main reasons victims are locked in on video is because they have a background, they're a shithead, or the case is domestic related and the ASA's office does not want them to flip at trial, which happens often if they're not on video. There are some good attorneys in that office and they're being forced to follow Kim's rules just the same as we fucking follow Eddie and Rahm and all the bullshit they throw out. So let's not bash everyone in that office cause we sure as fuck wouldn't want the entire police department clumped together for something one copper does. And on a side note they have to deal with every dumbass that calls in cases too. Just like there are plenty of soft attorneys, there are also plenty of stupid ass coppers that don't have a clue and couldn't put a case on someone if their life depended on it.
"Longer time detective"......your statement is by far the dumbest thing written on this thread.
I don't see a problem with getting victims are tape, and their statements recorded. And if the victim gets that pissEd than you know they are never going to court during the trial, so why waste everyone's time.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
In my law school class the bottom 3 students all got jobs with the CCSAO. They are not hiring the cream of the crop and the good lawyers that do work there rarely stay long because they are surrounded by incompetence and bureaucracy. It is the worst government agency in the county and the laughing stock of prosecutors offices across the state. Only the best for the citizens of Shitcago.
9/10/2017 09:21:00 AM
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Those "bottom" three students will be ahead of the game. Today, jobs with the prosecutor are a gold mine (benefits, security, and so on). Only the connected people are getting those jobs. Those three students might actually be brighter than the rest of the students.
To long time detective here.
If the officers did as the ASA requested and took a supervisor and equipment to the victim's house and had him stand in front of a car and tell his story while being filmed, would this not still be he said, he said?
Bad victims equals lock in. Also, not all witnesses or victims have to be recorded, just a good practice to do so with potential shady victims. Also, in this day and age you should want everyone's interview on video. Video confession or victim interview saved u in the future.
Long time detective here. Without all the facts and basing this on what's posted...the ASA's request sounds reasonable. Absent an independent witness or some other type of evidence, it's a he said he said case.
I'm not a detective here, just a man with common sense. If someone has a gun in his car and is driving down the street, how would another driver know he had that gun unless that person displayed it in some way. This person didn't call the police on random cars on the street. He called on one driver and one car, and amazingly that driver has a gun. And really the caller would be the witness. 2+2=4 in this case.
9/10/2017 06:28:00 PM
You said it yourself. You're NOT a detective. Leave the detecting to the detectives and if one is giving you some advice, stfu, listen AND learn.
Felony review only exists in crook county. Liberals are terrorists who are ruining America.
I tell all my victims that need ASA approval to be prepared to sit at the station for 5-6 hours till the SA comes out.I'm not begging anyone to stay another hour to wait for these clowns to make a decision i tell them the truth about how long it may take.Most get pissed and leave i laugh head to lunch and smile because thats one less attorney that has a job.
Lock-in is a good thing, it's proof of the treatment of victims and witnesses. The treatment of victims, witnesses and offenders are always at the top of the Defense's motion list.
Who the fu@k is the asa?
These "Long and Longer time detectives.." on this thread are well ....... nevermind.
Anonymous said...
I tell all my victims that need ASA approval to be prepared to sit at the station for 5-6 hours till the SA comes out.I'm not begging anyone to stay another hour to wait for these clowns to make a decision i tell them the truth about how long it may take.Most get pissed and leave i laugh head to lunch and smile because thats one less attorney that has a job.
9/11/2017 01:02:00 AM
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As a supervisor, if I catch anyone doing that, I will pursue official misconduct charges. If you did not create a case report, then that is a slam dunk for IAD to initiate disciplinary charges.
nonymous said...
Felony review was created in the late 1970s by SA Bernard Carey. It's works great for whomever the State's Attorney is but not so great for everyone else especially the victim. It assures the SA a high conviction rate (in the high 90s) which looks great when running for reelection. The SA office wants only cases that are a slam dunk in the trial court. An ASA trial supervisor once told me that if someone in felony review sends a case (other than the slam dunk) to a first chair that felony review person will be despised by everyone and they will have a short career with the SAO. Over the years the office has become twisted and now it's just a numbers game for the vote.
9/10/2017 02:52:00 AM
yes this is partly true. I was on the job in 1969 and involved in a shooting. The watch commander had to call the SA office for consultation at the time, but no ASA actually responded. It was consultation only at the time. Yes, it became a numbers game no matter who the elected SA was. Now it appears by all of these comments that it is also a racial number game.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"Longer time detective"......your statement is by far the dumbest thing written on this thread.
9/10/2017 08:01:00 PM
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if the cops are the witnesses to the UUW then it's not a he said/she said case you fucking moron
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Long time detective here. Without all the facts and basing this on what's posted...the ASA's request sounds reasonable. Absent an independent witness or some other type of evidence, it's a he said he said case.
9/10/2017 02:09:00 AM
Wow.... he said (innocent victim) he said (convicted felony pos) and low and behold, a gun recovered as described by the he said (innocent victim) .... no hand written, no under the lights needed..
Leave these for the violent offenses where you begin to lock in the ones you know always get the no snitch fever.
Please let us know if you are this detective if called out so I can swiftly take you by your new tie and ..... let you know you... are not the judge and jury
9/10/2017 09:55:00 AM
---AGREED 100%
not only that but the cops found dude w/ a gun ... so it's not he said/ she said whatsoever
he said/she said is when there is no evidence whatsoever other than the victims statement
Kim Fox you get what and whom you voted for the Democratic & Party Progressive Party both breed and protect criminals......
I think the "Longtime Detective" poster was actually an ASA from CCSAO-FRU on the B-L-O-G. LMAO!
-Uber long time Detective
9/10/2017 02:09:00 AM
Let's use common sense "Detective" There's a road rage incident. Happens all the time. One of the two call 911 and describe the person that (allegedly) pulled a gun on them. They describe the car which eventually gets stopped by the police and low and behold...THERES A GUN in the car. Now let's use your Detective powers of reasoning. How, I ask would the victim have known that particular offender driving that particular vehicle would have a gun in it unless the offender removed said weapon from its conceiled location and pointed it at the victim?? Riddle me that one "Detective"
9/10/2017 10:31:00 AM
The hood always states that the suspect might have a gun. They say it because they think the police response will be quicker.
Fingerprints or DNA on the recovered gun? Statement from offender admitting possession? Multiple people in the offending car? Location where officers recovered the gun? All of that makes a difference to judges and juries in today's climate.
Kimisha is the Patron Saint of Shoplifters.
onymous said...
Long time detective here. Without all the facts and basing this on what's posted...the ASA's request sounds reasonable. Absent an independent witness or some other type of evidence, it's a he said he said case.
I'm not a detective here, just a man with common sense. If someone has a gun in his car and is driving down the street, how would another driver know he had that gun unless that person displayed it in some way. This person didn't call the police on random cars on the street. He called on one driver and one car, and amazingly that driver has a gun. And really the caller would be the witness. 2+2=4 in this case.
9/10/2017 06:28:00 PM
You said it yourself. You're NOT a detective. Leave the detecting to the detectives and if one is giving you some advice, stfu, listen AND learn.
9/10/2017 11:59:00 PM
A detective here, its not the usual he say she say type of case. The point, the victim calls the police and gives a description of the vehicle make, year, color and possible lic. plate. The victim also gave a description of the offender and possible type of firearm he was pointing. The police on the about information located the offender and vehicle. They find the gun the victim told them about and have all the elements to have this asshole charged with a felony UUW. So stfu detective, what corroborating facts do you not understand. To the not a detective here, good reasoning and common sense which is lacking in the D lately.
To long time detective here.
If the officers did as the ASA requested and took a supervisor and equipment to the victim's house and had him stand in front of a car and tell his story while being filmed, would this not still be he said, he said?
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Doesn't matter.. lock them in. I would rather have a he said she said lock in than he said she said on the day of the crime then the victim come in and say, I never said any of that at trial time. Welcome to federal court then. If the victim gets locked in on video then there is no denying it and you cover your behind and have a greater potential if getting a conviction in court. Too many guys who have no experience except 011th district dope surveillance arrests and foot chase UUW saw him throw it without ever loosing sight of him blah blah blah...
Anonymous said...
These "Long and Longer time detectives.." on this thread are well ....... nevermind.
9/11/2017 02:10:00 AM
The "Longest Time Detective"
hasn't weighed in yet so everything
else is bullshit. Right?
To the Supervisor who will go after Official Misconduct charges against a detective:
How is telling the truth to a victim or witness Official misconduct? If I understand your thinking we should lie to the victim about the length of time they will be in the Area?
I'm not being sarcastic, this is a legitimate question.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I tell all my victims that need ASA approval to be prepared to sit at the station for 5-6 hours till the SA comes out.I'm not begging anyone to stay another hour to wait for these clowns to make a decision i tell them the truth about how long it may take.Most get pissed and leave i laugh head to lunch and smile because thats one less attorney that has a job.
9/11/2017 01:02:00 AM
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As a supervisor, if I catch anyone doing that, I will pursue official misconduct charges. If you did not create a case report, then that is a slam dunk for IAD to initiate disciplinary charges.
9/11/2017 04:52:00 AM
And as a supervisor, you will get it stuck in your
moon for generating this C/R# based solely on
an officer actually being upfront with a victim
and a victim deciding that the felony review
process is not going to be worth their additional time.
You guys who "supervise" in a world with a
funny colored sky are something else...
You'll send that package through with
"Official Misconduct" writ large with
not a single damned element to support
such an allegation other than you're
"a supervisor."
What are they teaching you people
lately in "supervisor school?"
The victim gets up and walks...
You got nothing.
This is what the cook county voter asked for ............. be safe
9/11/2017 01:02:00 AM
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As a supervisor, if I catch anyone doing that, I will pursue official misconduct charges. If you did not create a case report, then that is a slam dunk for IAD to initiate disciplinary charges.
9/11/2017 04:52:00 AM
And as a supervisor, you will get it stuck in your
moon for generating this C/R# based solely on
an officer actually being upfront with a victim
and a victim deciding that the felony review
process is not going to be worth their additional time.
You guys who "supervise" in a world with a
funny colored sky are something else...
You'll send that package through with
"Official Misconduct" writ large with
not a single damned element to support
such an allegation other than you're
"a supervisor."
What are they teaching you people
lately in "supervisor school?"
The victim gets up and walks...
You got nothing.
9/11/2017 03:30:00 PM
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You are not well versed with the General Orders and you do not know the law. I hope that you are about to retire. We are coming after people like you. After you code out your job. I will talk to the complainant.
As a supervisor, if I catch anyone doing that, I will pursue official misconduct charges. If you did not create a case report, then that is a slam dunk for IAD to initiate disciplinary charges.
You should have your supervisor explain to you the definition of official misconduct
Anonymous said...
As a supervisor, if I catch anyone doing that, I will pursue official misconduct charges. If you did not create a case report, then that is a slam dunk for IAD to initiate disciplinary charges.
You should have your supervisor explain to you the definition of official misconduct
9/11/2017 08:42:00 PM
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It means that misconduct that is official. You are welcome.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
To long time detective here.
If the officers did as the ASA requested and took a supervisor and equipment to the victim's house and had him stand in front of a car and tell his story while being filmed, would this not still be he said, he said?
@@@
Doesn't matter.. lock them in. I would rather have a he said she said lock in than he said she said on the day of the crime then the victim come in and say, I never said any of that at trial time. Welcome to federal court then. If the victim gets locked in on video then there is no denying it and you cover your behind and have a greater potential if getting a conviction in court. Too many guys who have no experience except 011th district dope surveillance arrests and foot chase UUW saw him throw it without ever loosing sight of him blah blah blah...
9/11/2017 01:40:00 PM
Wouldn't taking a statement from the victim be sufficient in approving a felony. Or is the ASA to lazy and wants a video. On second thought, do fucking both, there I just solved the problem and I'm a PO.
You are not well versed with the General Orders and you do not know the law. I hope that you are about to retire. We are coming after people like you. After you code out your job. I will talk to the complainant.
9/11/2017 06:27:00 PM
I tell my victims, what is occurring every step of the process. Felony Review is a joke, they are the ASA's with least amount of experience and most of the time never make the call. They notify their supervisor of the facts and the supervisor makes the call. All of this is time consuming and I tell the victim all about the process. Most of the time the victim cooperates, and there are times where the victim just leaves. It's called, the victim refused to prosecute. General Orders have nothing to do with a victim walking. If the state wants to put the victim in front of a Grand Jury and orders he/she to testify, well so be it. So you can talk you're fucking head off to the complainant, because that person made the decision not to pursue the matter and that's the end. I thing if you are going to push a victim into signing a complaint, you maybe looking at intimidation, harassment and a CR number. The knife cuts bought way's, General Order Boy.
Official misconduct sgt. you cant do anything to the copper if he drops paper calls the dicks and ASAs informing them that the victim said fuck them.Must be another merit hack desk jockey.Do you have a magical SA's number that shows up within 30 mins or an hour to meet my agitated victim?
Just what you should do. Lets go to the victims house in a rain,snow,below zero weather or some shit district and have him stand in front of a car telling his story. First off be prepared to have the victim tell you who's great idea was this.. Next you better have yellow tape up and extra manpower around for the legit victim living in a crap neighborhood because you'll be surrounded by the ever hateful community members. So yeah baloney review,great idea.
Anonymous said...
Official misconduct sgt. you cant do anything to the copper if he drops paper calls the dicks and ASAs informing them that the victim said fuck them.Must be another merit hack desk jockey.Do you have a magical SA's number that shows up within 30 mins or an hour to meet my agitated victim?
9/11/2017 11:59:00 PM
Based on your facts, you are correct. But that is way different from blowing off a job and just coding it.
A + for you for following the bouncing ball.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Official misconduct sgt. you cant do anything to the copper if he drops paper calls the dicks and ASAs informing them that the victim said fuck them.Must be another merit hack desk jockey.Do you have a magical SA's number that shows up within 30 mins or an hour to meet my agitated victim?
9/11/2017 11:59:00 PM
Why in the world would some sup. go out of his why to hurt someone with a criminal charge for a system that's stupid and a failure. This is a guy who did nothing on this job (house cat) and is mostly likely a merit hack.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You are not well versed with the General Orders and you do not know the law. I hope that you are about to retire. We are coming after people like you. After you code out your job. I will talk to the complainant.
9/11/2017 06:27:00 PM
I tell my victims, what is occurring every step of the process. Felony Review is a joke, they are the ASA's with least amount of experience and most of the time never make the call. They notify their supervisor of the facts and the supervisor makes the call. All of this is time consuming and I tell the victim all about the process. Most of the time the victim cooperates, and there are times where the victim just leaves. It's called, the victim refused to prosecute. General Orders have nothing to do with a victim walking. If the state wants to put the victim in front of a Grand Jury and orders he/she to testify, well so be it. So you can talk you're fucking head off to the complainant, because that person made the decision not to pursue the matter and that's the end. I thing if you are going to push a victim into signing a complaint, you maybe looking at intimidation, harassment and a CR number. The knife cuts bought way's, General Order Boy.
9/11/2017 11:45:00 PM
I like the premiss and would add a violation of someones civil rights which would jam the jammer.
Maybe Carol Moron channel 5 news reporting would like to hear this story. She loves hating on the Police lets see what she does for the innocent victim.
How about this victim gives a lengthy statement;
1) doesn't have to appear at preliminary hearing
2) video is played for a grandjury for true bill
3) victim doesnot have have to make appearance for first 3 trial dates, where offender will BFW or is in Cermak with stab wounds, defense will offer motions of bullshit, defense willnot appear because he hasn't been paid
4) veracity of the victims statement is accepted by the judge and only after any objections or motions to ejaculate are disposed of the judge may require the appearance of the victim ONE time at a time of the day when the working man is not inconvenienced.
All highly unlikely because we know the offender is the most important person in any case and is afforded the most grace of the system.
You are not well versed with the General Orders and you do not know the law. I hope that you are about to retire. We are coming after people like you. After you code out your job. I will talk to the complainant.
9/11/2017 06:27:00 PM
I'm shaking in my freshly spit-shined boots.....come get your kiwi injections......
To meritboy supervisor: Get ahold of yourself Francis! Interviewing a victim after the job is coded, then jamming up your officers? You must work days in a slow district because you have entirely too much time on your hands. What is wrong with advising the alleged victims of how lengthy and tedious the felony charging process is? You propose outright lies and deceit toward these victims? Shame on you, you should retire. You seem more interested in jamming up a copper than being honest with a victim. If you are not already assigned to IAD, prepare your resume. Better yet, attempt to be detailed to COPA where you belong as a police impersonator.
Anonymous said...
You are not well versed with the General Orders and you do not know the law. I hope that you are about to retire. We are coming after people like you. After you code out your job. I will talk to the complainant.
9/11/2017 06:27:00 PM
You're a fool.
You keep making this about jamming the poor slob copper
who has the misfortune to be on your log when a crime
victim exercises their right to not be bothered?
And when the victim FINALLY tells you to piss off,
you'll still have nothing and it will be YOUR
cute little ass dropping paper and having to
answer awkward and pointy questions, buttercup...
You STILL got nothing.
The "Official Misconduct" supervisor seems to be confused
about time and place...
The gist of this thread is based on the premise of
the whole victim/offender mess having already been dragged
into the area pending shit/get off the pot by
Felony Review.
"Official Misconduct" supervisor has a
chip on his shoulder coupled with a
comprehension problem.
Pity every officer on his log
because he's a mind-locked dolt
incapable of any nuance.
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