Another FTO Test
A comment from a few days ago:
- On a related matter, the dept is giving another FTO test on DEC 16. I believe this is the 3rd in 2 years?
Did you see the new large posters hanging around the districts, with all those "bosses" claiming they were once FTO's? I wouldn't brag too much, boss. Back then, most FTO's were appointed, which is to say it was given to the guy who couldn't get a partner, or the guy who knew the boss and wanted more money (but was rarely given a PPO to train).
Still, there is a big push to increase FTO's. Any former FTO's care to chime in to let the newer blue shirts know what to expect (because there are several I've heard from considering it, simply because their FTO sucked, and they want to do better. I appreciate that, but they have no idea how the dept fucks over the FTO's).
Very few people want the spot because it has been, and remains, a dead end. We remember promises made to grant extra points on promotional exams, actual promotional spots to be given to an FTO (wow, one spot to someone connected), empty promises about keeping watches and Districts of assignment. We remember that one class where almost all of the FTO's resigned and refused to graduate when they were told all the promises of remaining in their Districts were basically lies.
Combined with the lack of any actual power to re-tread (and recommend firing) those they deem unprepared for streets, and you have a system that merely pushes through bodies to fulfill a number put forth by City Hall and not adequately trained police officers. Pretty much what the DOJ said and nothing that we haven't said for a dozen years now.
It's too bad the Department doesn't bother to listen to people who actually have good ideas, know how to put together a real training program and have the wherewithal to see it through.
Combined with the lack of any actual power to re-tread (and recommend firing) those they deem unprepared for streets, and you have a system that merely pushes through bodies to fulfill a number put forth by City Hall and not adequately trained police officers. Pretty much what the DOJ said and nothing that we haven't said for a dozen years now.
It's too bad the Department doesn't bother to listen to people who actually have good ideas, know how to put together a real training program and have the wherewithal to see it through.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
109 Comments:
FTO's with 12 years can get days in a district that requires over 20 to bid to days. Plus, the poor babies don't have to work midnights. What would you expect, we have people running the department that aren't competent to do anything else and they sure aren't competent to do what they do here. I've never seen such a train wreck as this department and city. No wonder it's broke and can't run correctly. It's led by idiots.
Don't give anyone ideas either-- cause they will steal it and say pound dirt when you mention it
Have you seen the FTO's? You have 5, 1 is actually good, one is marginal and 3 are useless. Itty, bitty people that are doing that until a desk spot opens for them. They don't volunteer to take jobs any longer, they're just worthless.
Welcome to the CPD.
Best part is you have 2-3year wonders as fto training someone after they just got off their cylces and probation lol
Hey...
You old guys in 011.
Remember the "merit" FTO who BOMBED
the '98 test and was crying to any
and everybody about how unfair it
was?
Only to somehow be blessed with chevrons
a few months later?
We ALL felt so sorry for his recruits.
Really, we did...
But the Good Lord showed us that he at
least had a sense of humor when the
heart-broken FTO was blessed with
Sergeant's stripes.
The reknown Sgt. 1070 who refused
Mistuh T's invitations to quit his
jibber-jabber.
The thankfully retired Sgt. R.F.
With this new test, it'll be a
rehash of the past 20 years of
trying to sucker enough people
into taking the test.
Shit...
Who in their right mind wants
to take on the responsibility
and be aggravated with the proven
and ongoing 20 year disincentive
of becoming an FTO?
Look.
Laugh.
Leave.
Policemen didn't break it.
"It," is now WAAAAAAYYYY beyond the
ability of Policemen to effect a fix.
Protect yourselves.
THEY, ARE, beginning to get increasingly
desperate because you've now made yourselves
very hard targets.
Police Like You Have No Friends.
Who is in charge of the FTO Program? What sgt with highly qualified credentials is the administrator over training of FTO"s? In ever class of new FTO's. 35th street makes promises then changes everything the day before promotion. The system is a failure; best intentions but a failure.
LT RK from 025 is featured prominently on the picture one of the most hated bosses in 025.
One thing that has been rarely discussed here is a topic that many of us old timers know all too well...rotten FTOs. I can recall many years ago after being promoted to Lieutenant being assigned as the FTO Lt. by the district commander. Shortly afterwards, while monitoring all of the FTOs in the district on a regular basis, I noticed that one stood out as about the most incompetent one I had ever seen. This particular FTO specialized only in 3 hour shoplifting arrests; no hot cars, no dope arrests, no burglars, no armed robbers, no part 1s, period. He just didn't have it anymore, and he was clearly coasting onto retirement; only problem was, his PPOs weren't learning a damn thing from him. They would not come right out and say anything, as most PPOs know to keep quiet, watch and listen, but you could see the frustration on their faces, as their fellow PPOs came in with some occasional quality arrests, part ones...the kinds of arrests that they never got to make while assigned to this particular FTO. After several discussions with this FTO and the D/C, it was decided by the D/C and myself that it would be best to get this particular FTO removed from the FTO program. I had good documentation concerning this FTOs shortcomings, and eventually I made my way to the Academy to see the sergeant who headed up the FTO program at that time, only to be rebuffed in my efforts to remove this officer from the FTO program. "You don't have enough here, Lt.," the sergeant told me. I even went over the sergeant's head, to no avail. All I could do was attempt to shuttle the next incoming group of recruits away from this particular FTO, which I was reasonably successful in doing. I've been retired for quite a few years now, but it is my sincere hope that the overall quality of FTOs is much better than it was during my time on the job. These recruits deserve the best on-the-street instruction that this job can give them if they are to survive and make it to retirement. Every officer on the job should be pushing for that.
Only a idiot would become a fto. False promises (even in writing) and laughed at if you ask for the bop incentives to be honored. The district treats a fto like garbage. They claim a fto can be merit sgt.,det. Etc. But they never show you how to apply for merit or make a effort to follow up and see if any fto wants to be merit. You get 2 or 3 ppos at once and paid for 1. Your used as a 2man car to fill fixed posts, the wagon etc. The academy could Careless about you and good luck actually getting training beyond the fto half ass school. Every few years they get all ftos together and lie to your face about how good the program is going to be and ftos are the most impotant position. Blah blah blah. The 2 female ftos in the academy are useless. Especially the one who loves to brag how she is a "doctor". In a nut shell, dont be a fool! Say no to fto.
Just what we need. More midgets with shitty attitudes running around the 24th District.
They should allow Detectives (yes many would probably suck as well) to act as an FTO for overtime.
NEWS FROM THE CPD BUDGET HEARING
From a 12th District neighborhood watch page posted by a resident who is very connected and was at the CPD budget hearing today.
Q&A at the City Council budget hearing for CPD:
Ald. Burnett: “The merger of 12 and 13 took something away from our community. Can we split 12 and 13 back up?”
Supt. Johnson: “We can look at that to see what the best plan is. I know 12 has suffered from retirements
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More Q&A from the CPD budget hearings.*
Ald Hopkins mentioned the old 13th District station closing and the promised satellite office there.
Hopkins: COPA is opening satellite offices for citizens to come and complain about police officers. How about the police opening satellite offices for citizens to complain about criminals?
Supt: Just yesterday the first deputy, Chief Waller and I discussed utilizing buildings that were closed. It is under consideration.
(Paraphrased)
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More news from the CPD Budget Hearing:
According to Chief Barb West, 522 officers retired this year and 417 last year. 100+ have dropped papers to retire in 2018.
CPD has 414 blue shirt vacancies.
A class of 100 cadets will start every month next year.
Beginning in 2018, every officer will complete 16 hours of continuing education.
Chief Melissa Staples said 200 detectives will be made in 2018 and the clearance rate is now at 35%
One glaring additional risk is that FTO's may be a defendant on an individual basis, with either the recruit or a citizen claiming poor training led an officer to render inept service. You have plenty of risks as a PO, why take on more for a set of chevrons and a few extra bucks?
All this talk is giving me flashbacks from the deuce, acting FTO Corndog. I still have PTSD from that guy.
I dropped it. It does allow you to get to just about any district you want though. But dont think you’ll be able to super bid under the radar and drop the status shortly after you get your dream district. Poof your on days in 16 as a PO lol. Yeah right. They’ll boot ur ass right back to 011 midnights or wherever you came from. You want the nice district you gotta stay fto, least for a good few years or so. I couldn’t do it. Damn kids, never stop with their damn phone. Like humping puppies chasin squirrels. And it’s definitely not the time to be chasing a damn thing. Takes a hell of a lot of patience. Hey academy! It’d be nice if you had them learn how to write citations while theyr in there. They dont even see one during the academy. Tellin me they cant write practice citations? Parkers, movers, anovs. Do a couple practice impounds, tow reports, etc. They all wanna be tac and grow a damn beard right off status. Fkin call of duty generation. Make em shave! Too lax. Some are good. Some look like serial killers. Some look like theyre 12. Some slipped through Rahms “lowered standard cracks”
Good luck to you patient bastards. Not for me.
For young blue shirts once you take it you're stuck. Never have a chance to go anywhere. If you do want to change you have to resign the fto position. Bid somewhere is impossible unless its another district as a fto which rarely happens. Take it later in your career for pension then get out. Its not worth the aggravation.
I sat thru the boring month long class where police officers expected you to stand at attention for them as they believed they were sergeants which they were not. After graduating I was a FTO in field for a few months and quit the position. I wouldn't recommend it. But that's just me. I can't work with a PPO who buys the bullshit this department pedals. Sorry Counting my few years to retire Hope it comes quick !
Watch out boys and girls. IG and IAD has been in several CPD lots keeping track of when officers are leaving work and matching it up with time due slips. Don't get caught and get fired just for not wanting to use your comp time. City looking to fire officers and save money after JF's report.
The best FTO I could’ve had was Luis Montalvo. These are the folks we need.
ot -
Another officer was stripped yesterday.
This was a closed investigation that COPA decided to open and reinvestigate.
Be careful ladies and gents.
Big bird was a FTO in 09 th Dist couldn't find a parter hell he became a LT that was after he moved into mike Madigan Ward right T Mcman
Lots of years ago pretty much everyone was an fto at one time, not "officially", but due to guess what, a lack of man power. There were nights when each car was a training car. With about 3 weeks out of the academy and a nightmare fto (DD) we got a domestic. I was driving, an 06 car, great guys who knew the fto was a mush backed me up .The fto was sound asleep. Myself and the 06 car went in and it ended up a 19P, back then 19p covered all. The fto never budged, I got back in the car & patoled. When it was time to call it a night and the fto got all busy checking the humper & saw the domestic & asked whats this , we didnt go on any domestic call. He had a melt down, I told him that in the academy they told us to never wake your fto. I learned something that night. Fast forward to I now have about 3 years on the job. Once again all the midnight cars were training cars, again due to the manpower shortage. The fto thing ended up dragging on for a couple of years. The moral of the story? I am now retired and when I left I got a big fat check from all those 45 minutes a day.
I can be an FTO. I love the idea of having a cute, in-shape man next to me that has to listen to what I say.
I'm sure other FTOs will take the icky girls.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
The last FTO test was amazing. Half of those who signed up didn't show up. Of those who did, a good number turned in their exam right after it started. Why? Because it was given on a Saturday morning, and counted as a tour of duty for the day-shifters who took the exam (veteran move!)
Now, when you consider that they "Promoted" the top 80% of those who took then exam, and more than 20% walked out at the beginning, well, do the math...
I remember the last time there was a rush of PPO's and the city was begging for more FTOs. As soon as the rush of PPO's ended, the city reduced the number of "training districts" to 6 (only one was on the North side) which were districts they couldn't keep officers from bidding out of. If you wanted to stay an FTO, you needed to transfer to one of those districts. Needless to say, I tossed in the patch, as did about half of us.
City got what it wanted, less FTO's and thus saved a few bucks per officer. Another fine "thanks, now Fuck Off" from the city.
Effective January 1 Danny Lukensmeyer is coming back as a civilian to restructure the FTO program.
FTO is probably the most Important assignment in any police department. CPD History 101: The program in Chicago was as so much of CPD policy stolen from California. When the Temp Sgts. were returned to P.O. status in the late 70's, they were thrown the bone of being Patrol Specialists, which was the genesis of our FTO program. Initially it consisted of P.O.'s who nobody would work with, or on occasion those who were waiting for a "spot". During the Weiss Administration Ray-Ray had convinced Weiss to add 5 points on the Sgt's Exam for FTOs; but ultimately it went Nowhere. But now, we are talking about an entirely environment. RECRUITS HAVE BEEN CONVINCED THAT THE DEPARTMENT THAT THEY ARE JOINING, MUST BE CHANGED. RECRUITS SEE THEMSELVES AS "CHANGE", AND ANYTHING, THAT IS HERE, BE IT BOSSES OR FTOs MUST NOT BE TRUSTED! And then there are the Cameras, which will record EVERYTHING you say when they are "accidentally" left on. Not to mention the public having cameras.
So what is the benefit, when balanced against the potential for Risk? YOU MIGHT AS WELL RIDE AROUND WITH AN ACLU ATTORNEY! The new recruits have been instructed to Challenge and Report ANYTHING, that they in their Newbie Minds "perceive" to be Wrong. So in addition to riding around with a "civilian", you are riding around with a civilian who is waiting for you to make a mistake, so that he/she can turn you in! Meanwhile, if you try to fail a recruit, the recruit will just be given to another FTO. If the recruit is Black or a Woman, they will move the recruit around until someone passes him/her, or it! Pay Attention, Look at the Recruiting Poster; Nobody is White, and they are the "Change"! Every other copper is part of the PROBLEM! The "Community" is Innocent! If they commit a crime, it is because they have been oppressed for hundreds of years. Remember; YOU and the Recruit are Both wearing blue shirts. Though you are told you are in charge, the reality is that the Bosses will listen to the recruit and unless the boss knows you well, the recruits complaints will carry the same weight as your defense. Here is the Baby "G" Suggestion, and Yes, I once was an FTO before I made Sergeant: Let Sgts. Baby Sit and guide recruits. Add this task to Sgt., and rotate the recruits among officers, with the final evaluations being made by the Sgts and All of the officers on that Watch. This way any critique or observation of the recruit will carry the weight of being made by a White shirt and numerous experienced officers rather than another Blue shirt with Lance Corporal stripes. In the Marine Corps, a Lance Corporal is NOT a Non-Commissioned officer. Stay Safe, and Very Careful, remember YOU are the Problem; and the "Change" is going to save us all! Baby "G"
A TRUE FTO Billy Connors from the 014th District Shakespeare Station. A Real Old School FTO! Thank You BC for your Service! We keep you in Hearts and prayers Always!!
Signed
A Connors Raider
014th District
Shakespeare
Can I apply as soon as I’m out of the academy or do I have to wait until my PPO status expires?
NEWS FROM THE CPD BUDGET HEARING
From a 12th District neighborhood watch page posted by a resident who is very connected and was at the CPD budget hearing today.
Q&A at the City Council budget hearing for CPD:
Ald. Burnett: “The merger of 12 and 13 took something away from our community. Can we split 12 and 13 back up?”
Supt. Johnson: “We can look at that to see what the best plan is. I know 12 has suffered from retirements
—/////////—
More Q&A from the CPD budget hearings.*
Ald Hopkins mentioned the old 13th District station closing and the promised satellite office there.
Hopkins: COPA is opening satellite offices for citizens to come and complain about police officers. How about the police opening satellite offices for citizens to complain about criminals?
Supt: Just yesterday the first deputy, Chief Waller and I discussed utilizing buildings that were closed. It is under consideration.
(Paraphrased)
—/////////—
More news from the CPD Budget Hearing:
According to Chief Barb West, 522 officers retired this year and 417 last year. 100+ have dropped papers to retire in 2018.
CPD has 414 blue shirt vacancies.
A class of 100 cadets will start every month next year.
Beginning in 2018, every officer will complete 16 hours of continuing education.
Chief Melissa Staples said 200 detectives will be made in 2018 and the clearance rate is now at 35%
Some startling news for all those ne POs and Detectives, no additional ET's added to the budget for 2018. They will remain at 110 for the entire city. Subtract about 25 that work inside, that leaves 85 working the street spilt amongst three watches. At times you have 5 ET,s working days and 8 working afternoons. Now you factor in that there is now only ONE FI working the streets and he is on midnights POs and detectives better pack a lunch waiting for service from forensics.
The commander can give two fucks about how to properly run the unit. You went from 130 ETs and 40 FIs 8 some years ago to just 110 ETs and 1 FI today. So crime has risen yet those tasked with collecting evidence to solve those crimes have reduced drastically.
They should let Sgt’s be FTO’s who better to lead than true leaders.. since the FTO’s we do have are crappy..
The department has been fucking up the FTO program for over 30 years now.
Came on in 91. Did my training in the OLD 015.(Fort Forgotten)
Had the best FTO you could ask for, Randy U.
Didn't sugarcoat anything. Kept the proverbial foot in my ass, all 8 weeks.
When I fucked up, I heard about in no uncertain terms. "Get Your Head Outta Ass, PPO!" Sometimes, in front of other PO's.
I hated him. But, come the end of the 8 week cycle, I was more than grateful to have been trained by that man.
We became actual friends.
Taught me more than procedure. Schooled me in the importance of your fellow copper being able to count on you, when shit hit the fan. "Out here, there aint no fuckin Black, White, or whatever". "There's only BLUE and Not Blue!".
The end of the tour, my last day of training: He waits for me outside of the locker room.
Walks up, extends his hand, and tells me "You're ready OFFICER".
As anybody who came on in my era will tell you, when the vets stopped calling you PPO or Recruit, and referred to as "Officer", there was no better feeling of acceptance and belonging.
I'm sure Randy's Hardcore, No Hand-Holding, Either You're Qualified to Do This Job or You Aren't, style would play well, in this new, softer, friendlier era of policing.
And that's a damned shame.
Many thanks to my FTO Dick Cizner, former Task Force Ranger. (1977)
" . . . One thing that has been rarely discussed here is a topic that many of us old timers know all too well...rotten FTOs . . . I noticed that one stood out as about the most incompetent one I had ever seen. This particular FTO specialized only in 3 hour shoplifting arrests; no hot cars, no dope arrests, no burglars, no armed robbers, no part 1s, period. He just didn't have it anymore, and he was clearly coasting onto retirement . . . "
11/03/2017 12:46:00 AM
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Hey Lieutenant, YOU Sir are a MUSH.
It's the FTO's job to make sure the PPO learns how stay out of the penitentiary and keep collecting on the 1st and 16th of the month in this communist demo-crat shit-hole of a city. MOST importantly, to avoid becoming a "softball" like you.
@SCC... how can someone contact you privately?
I want to share information about the Soros funded riots coming tomorrow. Are you interested is sharing information about how police are going to be targeted with biohazards?
They re going to try and inject officers with tainted blood. They have been practicing how to avoid the protective gear police use and find vulnerable skin to infect our law enforcement officers.
They plan on using fire bombs against you. They want to force you to shoot them so the leftist main stream media can bolster the bullshit the BLM has been spewing for years... look at how the MSM ignored the police slaughtered in Texas FFS, wake up LOE's.
We have infiltrated these commie groups and they mean real harm tomorrow. This is not the usual nothingburger tomorrow, they have been instructed by the remnant's of the democratic underground...the leftovers of the students for a democratic society and the weather underground.
Please don't treat this like some conspiritard rambling, our police, nation wide are going to be targeted. You have seen how they confront you as you take their fellow "protesters" into custody, they were testing the ways they can attack you while you are performing your duties.
FFS wake up and refuse to stand down. What ever they get away with on the 4th will tell them what they can get away with on the 5th and so on. These commie revolutionaries are hell bent on destroying our society, it's not about Trump it's about turning the USA into China . Wake the fuck up!!!
SCC I'm begging you to go online and see for yourself that what we have been saying is the truth, you who reprsent the thin blue line that keeps our civil society alive are in danger and your superiors and the media is working against you.
Sincerely, Anonymous
Anonymous are not communists, we are not anarchists we just fight for free speech and the free flow of information to all individuals.
Will their be a class on Camel identification ??????
Anonymous said...
Hey...
You old guys in 011.
Remember the "merit" FTO who BOMBED
the '98 test and was crying to any
and everybody about how unfair it
was?
Only to somehow be blessed with chevrons
a few months later?
We ALL felt so sorry for his recruits.
Really, we did...
But the Good Lord showed us that he at
least had a sense of humor when the
heart-broken FTO was blessed with
Sergeant's stripes.
The reknown Sgt. 1070 who refused
Mistuh T's invitations to quit his
jibber-jabber.
The thankfully retired Sgt. R.F.
With this new test, it'll be a
rehash of the past 20 years of
trying to sucker enough people
into taking the test.
Shit...
Who in their right mind wants
to take on the responsibility
and be aggravated with the proven
and ongoing 20 year disincentive
of becoming an FTO?
Look.
Laugh.
Leave.
Policemen didn't break it.
"It," is now WAAAAAAYYYY beyond the
ability of Policemen to effect a fix.
Protect yourselves.
THEY, ARE, beginning to get increasingly
desperate because you've now made yourselves
very hard targets.
Police Like You Have No Friends.
11/03/2017 12:36:00 AM
This brings back memories of hearing a grown man(boy) crying in the locker room, only to see Ramon F sobbing uncontrollably. When I asked him what was wrong, he said that he didn't pass the FTO test(multiple choice).
A short time later he was given merit Sergeant stripes. He was one of the worse Sergeants I have ever heard on the radio. He would treat that radio as his personal talk show microphone. He would berate his officers on the radio as if he was king of zone 10. One day he told the zone that there was a low flying helicopter on the south end of 010 and it appeared out of place, should I be aware of anything squad? And the comments started with, Yeah get your surface to air missile out of the trunk. Soon there after a mysterious voice started telling him what to do. It was non other than MR. T. To hear SGT Ramon argue with and threaten MR. T was hilarious. I recall SGT Ramon tell MR. T that he wanted to meet him in an alley alone just the 2 of them so he can show MR. T what a Marine is made of.
Oh wait just a minute. Didn't SGT Ramon always go around telling everyone he was a Marine and Semper FI? After a lil research from a source in HR, I found out that SGT Ramon was never a US Marine. So all those years he told everyone he was a US Marine was false.
MR. T was right when he Told him to, shut up fool and quit your jibba jabber..
Col Hannibal Smith
A-TEAM
It’s a joke. They get whatever district they want, watch, preference if beat and car and have 5 years on the job! Am I missing something?? 20 year veterans barely get that. Smh.
We currently have one fto on the medical, one that takes off all the time , and one that doesn’t do shit. Yep, way to go.
The blind are leading the blind. How can you be an FTO with 2 min on the job?
Cooter was my FTO. We would pull each other’s finger after eating a chili deluxe double dog @ Fat Johnnies every week.
Once you get through the intolerable FTO training it's really not as bad as its made out to be. One female FTO spins unbelievable war stories while the other with the nonsense doctorate degree sports major 'tude and reeks of arrogance.
The recruits are usually pretty good unless they have family on the job, then they already know everything out of context and are well verced at milking the system.
i've been a fto for 4 1/2 years. it has it's ups and downs; but it's not as bad as what has been written. not all ppo's are shining stars; but look around your own roll call. how many stars do you see. it has become increasingly more difficult to train though. ppo's are often worried to go hands on. they ask about pc a lot. the job now has turned into self preservation and that makes it difficult to teach. on 1 hand, you want the new kids to learn a lot. be pro-active. jump into shit. go get the bad guy. on the other hand, it's also your job as a fto to keep the kid safe, preserve their job, preserve your job. it's not an easy position to be in. you do get satisfaction when you see former ppo's working tact/gangs, going to a unit, or just having fun and continuing to learn while on the watch. take the test if you wish. it's not that hard. you get a bit of extra money. you get the option for comp time or ot pay while training. it's pensionable if you never get another promotion. you can always stop doing it. not all fto's are great. not all patrolman are great either. give it a try.
Somebody please send in a picture of the recruitment poster. Lot of merit hacks and even a "cheater" (DW) or two. With the exception of a couple, this "photo-op" shows exactly what is wrong with CPD.
Anonymous said...
Only a idiot would become a fto. False promises (even in writing) and laughed at if you ask for the bop incentives to be honored. The district treats a fto like garbage. They claim a fto can be merit sgt.,det. Etc. But they never show you how to apply for merit or make a effort to follow up and see if any fto wants to be merit. You get 2 or 3 ppos at once and paid for 1. Your used as a 2man car to fill fixed posts, the wagon etc. The academy could Careless about you and good luck actually getting training beyond the fto half ass school. Every few years they get all ftos together and lie to your face about how good the program is going to be and ftos are the most impotant position. Blah blah blah. The 2 female ftos in the academy are useless. Especially the one who loves to brag how she is a "doctor". In a nut shell, dont be a fool! Say no to fto.
11/03/2017 12:56:00 AM
The FTO program is poorly managed. The same complaint every year and they never make any improvements. Look who is the sgt in charge? If you can find him. There is a big difference when training officers over FTO's but the "doctor" still expects them to act as recruits. Ultimately, this falls at the steps of Calloway. The academy is full of political hacks and do not have effective supervision. BTW it is impossible to remove a bad FTO.
27 years on the job. 97% of the FTOS were strokes who couldn't work with anyone.
Very few legit
One thing that has been rarely discussed here is a topic that many of us old timers know all too well...rotten FTOs.
11/03/2017 12:46:00 AM
Your lengthy post reads like the only life experience you had before dropping out of the sky as a naïve cpd lieutenant, after never having been a p/o or sergeant on our job, was watching Adam-12 videos. It is astonishing that you attained your rank without having absorbed any knowledge, good and/or bad, of the farce titled the cpd's fto program? The problems are not officially published, but the problems are certainly no secret to anyone who kept their eyes and ears open while enduring the city of Chicago and cpd experience. And, it is no wonder they dropped it in the lap of the newly promoted lt. I hope you did not feel honored?
But, even so, there is one glaring bit of information revealed in your lengthy narrative. You spoke with everyone around this fto about this fto, but did you ever speak to the fto? That is the starting line for any employee-related issue.
While I am glad you did not jam any ppo(s) because you apparently realized they were between a rock and a hard place, I am saddened that you snitched all over the place on the fto without starting at the root. It is apparent you did not talk directly to or with him, but before busting him out all over the place, did you do any recon on him? Did you interview the lt who had the spot before you? Did you interview any of the fto's street supervisors? Did you ask any of your friends who may have worked with him? When was he retiring? Is he ill? Was the wife ill? Parents or child ill? Was a problem child giving him and the wife a run for their money? Was the wife leaving him? Was he ever sued in federal court? It's easy to label somebody a pooch by looking at a sheet of paper with columns and rows with numbers in each box, but it takes a little effort to covertly get the backstory. Pure, unadulterated laziness is rarely the sole reason for inactivity and, while personal problems are not an excuse for inactivity, they can be part of the cause and/or reason. Also, a little recon knowledge may have revealed the situation would eventually and shortly right itself, without having to take the problem elsewhere.
Actually, everything you wrote and I wrote doesn't amount to squat because your are long retired, and the fto program is still irretrievably broken and has been broken from way back because of the political environment of the job and the city. One lt who believed it was all for real was not going to, and did not, fix jack. I am not advising that you should have thrown in the towel, but I do think you should have looked at the realities of the situation and acted in furtherance with them in mind.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
All this talk is giving me flashbacks from the deuce, acting FTO Corndog. I still have PTSD from that guy.
11/03/2017 02:23:00 AM
I can't believe he's still alive with his eating habits. I remember his 3 hour simple battery battery case reports. The man was the worst. He wasnt my Fto but it was painful to watch his laziness and the poor ppos who always looked like they wanted to quit the job while he was "training" them.
(OT) Wait whats this batman?:
Both high-crime and trendy Chicago neighborhoods see surge in carjackings
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-carjackings-rising-chicago-20171031-story.html
Oh No rahm and eddie, but then again vehicles are not weapons correct?
Excerpt:
She struggled for a time getting behind the wheel of her SUV again and to this day hasn’t set foot in her garage or alley, parking instead on the street. Co-workers at the University of Illinois at Chicago sometimes walk her to her vehicle after work. If she’s alone, she hurries to her vehicle, calling her husband on her cellphone to let him know, “I’m walking out now.”
“My daughter used my car the night before and that’s all I kept thinking was ‘What if it was her?’” said Fasula, a 48-year-old mother of three.
With gun violence garnering unflattering national attention for Chicago, carjackings have quietly gone off the charts as well. While shootings and homicides are largely concentrated in impoverished pockets of the South and West sides, carjackings are occurring throughout the city, including the downtown area, Chicago police statistics show.
Last year Chicago recorded 663 carjackings, nearly double the 339 in 2015 and the most since 2009, according to the department. And the numbers have shot up even further so far this year. Through Oct. 18, the latest date available, carjackings have totaled 661, nearly equal to all of 2016 and a 44 percent spike from the same period a year ago.
Carjackings started to spike last year, when homicides and shootings skyrocketed while crimes in virtually every other category rose. The causes are unclear, but some officers felt the furor over the video showing police shoot teen Laquan McDonald 16 times led to many officers reducing their aggressiveness on the street, emboldening criminals.
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"Hear ye,hear ye, this is master rahm don't worry as you serfs are beat,shot,murdered by the black thugs (Reality is not racism rahm and eddie), I am covered by many armed valets who protect me and my family!" Oh sorry except when my son goes to see his "college counselor" as my nose grows!
I took the the fto job whwn I was in 025 of course I had the worse wc paul tauch but at that I was able to go B
its not worth it I had it for a couple of months not much of a difference between d-1 n d2 f-ck the dr pay just give three hours every work day the half is sh-t im at the air port and I still do my job n I respect the dept aviation officers too no arrogance on my part im figure I make more in ot at ohare that anybody being a fto and locking people up.
They all wanna be tac and grow a damn beard right off status. Fkin call of duty generation. Make em shave! Too lax. Some are good. Some look like serial killers. Some look like theyre 12. Some slipped through Rahms “lowered standard cracks”
Good luck to you patient bastards. Not for me.
Well put. They want to look cool & act the part, but let’s be real, tact work is the equivalent of what a beat car does, TVB’s. It’s rampant citywide, I get it, nobody wants to get their name in the news for being aggressive. If you ask me, tact should be disbanded. No use for them at this time
The FTO position is THE , let me repeat, THEEEEEEEEE most important position on the job. An FTO is responsible for the molding of that new officer and with the right leadership a new officer can turn into an amazing officer.
I truly enjoyed being an FTO. And I took pride in the responsibility I had knowing that I had a part in making this man or woman an amazing copper.
The program has been flawed for such a long time but if you truly commit yourself to being the best with the right intentions you and those you train will prevail.
Bosses who have sat on their asses in their offices have no idea what the FTO program is about and how flawed it is. Before I moved onto to greener pastures I would be training 2 or 3 at a time. When we pulled up at a JOB we would exit the car and it the shitbirds had no clue what was going on, why so many coppers.
It was actually pretty funny.
For those who want to become FTOs do it for the right and honorable reasons because how you train and mold that new officer sitting next to you will be a part of him or her for the rest of their life.
Hey any bosses out there reading this , fix this program , its the most important program at any police department. and if you want my input or opinion give me a call, Id be glad to talk to you !!
I FTO'ed for the majority of my 24 year career and I have no regrets !
It was a privilege and an honor to sit beside some of the most talented and honorable people wearing the uniform and I am proud that I had a part in their careers.
as always
be smart
be safe
and take care of one another
Much respect to each and everyone one of you
I challenge just one white shirt , you have the balls to get up and do something about this flawed system.......Go ahead please , I double dog dare ya :)
If you do the FTO job right, it provides the opportunity to set a good foundation for new folks on the job. Majority of non-clouted working coppers remember being treated like a total piece of trash as a PPO or worked with shithead FTOs that didn't teach anything other than what not to do as the police. Its an opportunity to be the one you wish you had. Teaching and talking about correct procedure and policy keeps the information in your mind at exam time.
I had it for a couple of months I couldn't handle the bs the recruits were good its not worth it, its a dead end position most of the good fto quit then go either to 016 or ohare (more ovetime) if they give us 3 hours comp time or d-2a is worth it the d-2 that can shove up their -ss
I saw 1900 on tv after the uptown shooting what a goof , hey marc maybe if send some your desk dollies over there they can prevent another shooting
ps I really like your picture of Hillary Clinton in your office
So here’s the best story of FTOs. There’s one in 011 that doesn’t know shit. I mean she needs an FTO, she shouldn’t be one. And than there’s the recruit of another who doesn’t want her name on arrest reports when she and her other PPO and FTO make arrests because she doesn’t want to have to go to court. Who the hell is deciding that these people are right for this job? What a joke.
Can I apply as soon as I’m out of the academy or do I have to wait until my PPO status expires?
11/03/2017 08:09:00 AM
With the right phone call, you can apply for the FTO test before you take the test for the job. We call it clouted fast-tracking!
Anonymous said...
Came on in 91. Did my training in the OLD 015.(Fort Forgotten)
Had the best FTO you could ask for, Randy U.
Didn't sugarcoat anything. Kept the proverbial foot in my ass, all 8 weeks.
When I fucked up, I heard about in no uncertain terms. "Get Your Head Outta Ass, PPO!" Sometimes, in front of other PO's.
I hated him. But, come the end of the 8 week cycle, I was more than grateful to have been trained by that man.
We became actual friends.
Taught me more than procedure. Schooled me in the importance of your fellow copper being able to count on you, when shit hit the fan. "Out here, there aint no fuckin Black, White, or whatever". "There's only BLUE and Not Blue!".
The end of the tour, my last day of training: He waits for me outside of the locker room.
Walks up, extends his hand, and tells me "You're ready OFFICER".
As anybody who came on in my era will tell you, when the vets stopped calling you PPO or Recruit, and referred to as "Officer", there was no better feeling of acceptance and belonging.
I'm sure Randy's Hardcore, No Hand-Holding, Either You're Qualified to Do This Job or You Aren't, style would play well, in this new, softer, friendlier era of policing.
And that's a damned shame.
11/03/2017 08:52:00 AM
As a one of Randy's first recruits.....
I can verify every word you said.....
He was great......
Although I hated brown bagging on midnights......
Good range guy also.....
Very nice guy.....
" . . . One thing that has been rarely discussed here is a topic that many of us old timers know all too well...rotten FTOs . . . I noticed that one stood out as about the most incompetent one I had ever seen. This particular FTO specialized only in 3 hour shoplifting arrests; no hot cars, no dope arrests, no burglars, no armed robbers, no part 1s, period. He just didn't have it anymore, and he was clearly coasting onto retirement . . . "
11/03/2017 12:46:00 AM
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Hey Lieutenant, YOU Sir are a MUSH.
It's the FTO's job to make sure the PPO learns how stay out of the penitentiary and keep collecting on the 1st and 16th of the month in this communist demo-crat shit-hole of a city. MOST importantly, to avoid becoming a "softball" like you.
11/03/2017 09:10:00 AM
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Fuckin' AMEN Brother ! ! !
But, even so, there is one glaring bit of information revealed in your lengthy narrative. You spoke with everyone around this fto about this fto, but did you ever speak to the fto? That is the starting line for any employee-related issue.
11/03/2017 12:28:00 PM
My apologies to the retired lt. Apparently you did speak to the FTO.
Research says if you want to ruin a department, piss off the FTOs. PPOs adopt their attitude toward the agency.
FTO Jimmy Liston !
Who cares about FTO’s - tell us about Detectives 87 short , Sergeants and LTs ? When are they gonna get made ? FTO will always be a BS job . They expect same pay as detectives and don’t do anything but make PPOs do all the paper and treat them like crap ! Who’s got the intel on promotional classes ??
best way to sum it in my career and im not an fto but I always willing to help a recruit I saw horrible fto and I saw excellent fto the great fto never got promoted unless you have wack juice or you in the 19th ward its a dead position do what I did worked the west side did my job ,then went to 016 and then to ohare I will be retiring next year my advice do not take it
tom deacy was great best fto , yah right
I had a Great FTO in the 20th District 17 years ago,Thanks Ceasar.
The best FTO in the entire city is Daniel Warren. Actually makes his PPO’s work, he works, and teaches them everything they need for the foundation of being a west side copper. The only FTO in the city that’s actually an FTO.
Former FTO said...
" . . . One thing that has been rarely discussed here is a topic that many of us old timers know all too well...rotten FTOs . . . I noticed that one stood out as about the most incompetent one I had ever seen. This particular FTO specialized only in 3 hour shoplifting arrests; no hot cars, no dope arrests, no burglars, no armed robbers, no part 1s, period. He just didn't have it anymore, and he was clearly coasting onto retirement . . . "
11/03/2017 12:46:00 AM
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Hey Lieutenant, YOU Sir are a MUSH.
It's the FTO's job to make sure the PPO learns how stay out of the penitentiary and keep collecting on the 1st and 16th of the month in this communist demo-crat shit-hole of a city. MOST importantly, to avoid becoming a "softball" like you.
11/03/2017 09:10:00 AM
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Well put, by the LT.'s own admission, the FTO was doing some work. Let that be a lesson to everyone, it does not matter how much work you do, the supervisors always want more. And you get stepped on and demeaned because you are working. Making an arrest on a constant basis is a lot of work compared to what many officers do, nothing.
Hey...
You old guys in 011.
Remember the "merit" FTO who BOMBED
the '98 test and was crying to any
and everybody about how unfair it
was?
Only to somehow be blessed with chevrons
a few months later?
We ALL felt so sorry for his recruits.
Really, we did...
But the Good Lord showed us that he at
least had a sense of humor when the
heart-broken FTO was blessed with
Sergeant's stripes.
The reknown Sgt. 1070 who refused
Mistuh T's invitations to quit his
jibber-jabber.
The thankfully retired Sgt. R.F
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That Retired Sgt went crazy once he was trying to get put in for Merit Lt. He became super charged on the radio. He wouldn't shut up trying to impress the Commander. He was dangerous at times. He would be scattered brained loosing his vehicle keys often. Usually in the vehicle ignition. I walked out into the lot one day after he left and the squad car he had was still running in the lot. Also, weapons left laying around. I thanked God the day he retired. The job became easier not having to deal with picking up after him. I hope he lives long and enjoys his retirement. He may of meant well but complicated EVERYTHING.
An important question to consider if the department makes swiping in and out citywide.
Will the FTOs and SGTs have to physically stay the extra half hour past the regular end of the shift?
Anonymous said...
If you do the FTO job right, it provides the opportunity to set a good foundation for new folks on the job. Majority of non-clouted working coppers remember being treated like a total piece of trash as a PPO or worked with shithead FTOs that didn't teach anything other than what not to do as the police. Its an opportunity to be the one you wish you had. Teaching and talking about correct procedure and policy keeps the information in your mind at exam time.
11/03/2017 03:24:00 PM
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This troll is appealing to the snowflakes. Sure, be the change agent, do it for the right reasons. You will earn a promotion.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
i've been a fto for 4 1/2 years. it has it's ups and downs; but it's not as bad as what has been written. not all ppo's are shining stars; but look around your own roll call. how many stars do you see. it has become increasingly more difficult to train though. ppo's are often worried to go hands on. they ask about pc a lot. the job now has turned into self preservation and that makes it difficult to teach. on 1 hand, you want the new kids to learn a lot. be pro-active. jump into shit. go get the bad guy. on the other hand, it's also your job as a fto to keep the kid safe, preserve their job, preserve your job. it's not an easy position to be in. you do get satisfaction when you see former ppo's working tact/gangs, going to a unit, or just having fun and continuing to learn while on the watch. take the test if you wish. it's not that hard. you get a bit of extra money. you get the option for comp time or ot pay while training. it's pensionable if you never get another promotion. you can always stop doing it. not all fto's are great. not all patrolman are great either. give it a try.
11/03/2017 11:11:00 AM
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rhamass waiting to bounce any ppos.. they ain't doin anything extra for 1st 18 months
So they're shooting inside of the Starbucks now?
I think they were finally listening to all the feedback from the sgts and Lts. You cant have a kid with 3 years on being an FTO. I know at 3 years we all thought we knew it all. then at 10 years you realized that at 3 years you really didn't know anything and you start to remember how reckless you were with report writing and decisions. Then at 20 years you realize that the 3 year guy really doenst know anything and that the guy with 10 years is getting pretty good but still doesn't know it all. If you want decent FTOs then you need to make sure they have actually been WORKING ON THE STREET for an absolute minimum of 5 years. Even 5 years isn't a ton of time to be training another person. In my opinion, if you have been in patrol and on a beat car for more than 7 years then you are fine to train somebody. Its ridiculous some of the "FTOS" we have now. Guys like Lukensmeyer and Kenny Watt would puke at the FTOs today. And if you know who Lukensmeyer or Kenny Watt are then you are old enough to be an FTO...
FTO: you bring your sidearm inside a locked metal
strongbox to work. Got it? You holster up when I tell you.
They all wanna be tac and grow a damn beard right off status. Fkin call of duty generation. Make em shave! Too lax. Some are good. Some look like serial killers. Some look like theyre 12. Some slipped through Rahms “lowered standard cracks”
Good luck to you patient bastards. Not for me.
Well put. They want to look cool & act the part, but let’s be real, tact work is the equivalent of what a beat car does, TVB’s. It’s rampant citywide, I get it, nobody wants to get their name in the news for being aggressive. If you ask me, tact should be disbanded. No use for them at this time
11/03/2017 02:35:00 PM
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you wanna know something? when I read your comment about tac I got pretty mad and wanted to comment that you were an idiot. But then I thought about it for a few minutes. You actually have a great point. You do. What does tac really do anymore that they need to be in plain clothes, unmarked cars or not get jobs? Our tac teams now have body cams. Since then they do stops but its all just TVBs like you said or getting lucky with a warrant. Guess what? That's the same thing our traffic units already do. So why have them? I'm not bashing them. I get it, its hard now to jump out and go after it.. I played that game for 10 years in tac and moved on to a different place. Why not just put them on the watch? I hear tac cars answering up for jobs all the time now because it might result in an arrest. they are responding to priority 3 jobs with time on them to get an easy arrest for domestic, trespassing etc because nobody is doing anything. If they were on the watch they would be doing the same exact thing except getting a few more jobs to write paper. Its a sad day because back when, tac guys really did decent work and served a purpose. now its a glorified beat car that just doesn't take jobs. No need for it. Put them on the watch. If you want to keep them as a "team" that's fine but put them all on rapids and if you have a more violent sector them make them mobile and move them around but put them in uniform, marked cars and on the watch sheets. They can answer jobs and if they still want to play the aggressive game then go ahead its all the same.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
If you do the FTO job right, it provides the opportunity to set a good foundation for new folks on the job. Majority of non-clouted working coppers remember being treated like a total piece of trash as a PPO or worked with shithead FTOs that didn't teach anything other than what not to do as the police. Its an opportunity to be the one you wish you had. Teaching and talking about correct procedure and policy keeps the information in your mind at exam time.
Times have changed when I came on that was the job of your Sgt. They molded you and helped form you into a good police officer. They made sure your worked with the right partner. They didn’t flaunt their rank and you respected them. My son asked how long our probation was and I said I really didn’t know and at the time never even thought about it because the Sgt tried never to put you in that position
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There are officers that shouldn’t be the police let alone A FTO. I have seen such useless ones teaching nothing to the PPO’S and have less than five years on the job.
How can you have FTO's that don't know basic police operations? I've seen many that don't know how to complete an arrest report, can't figure out how to inventory property, many other basic things that any patrol officer should know. They only took the job to get the extra money. They might be able to pass a test, but they certainly don't know the job and they really should not be in charge of telling young recruits how to be the police.
EC in 024 is the best FTO.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
One thing that has been rarely discussed here is a topic that many of us old timers know all too well...rotten FTOs. I can recall many years ago after being promoted to Lieutenant being assigned as the FTO Lt. by the district commander. Shortly afterwards, while monitoring all of the FTOs in the district on a regular basis, I noticed that one stood out as about the most incompetent one I had ever seen. This particular FTO specialized only in 3 hour shoplifting arrests; no hot cars, no dope arrests, no burglars, no armed robbers, no part 1s, period. He just didn't have it anymore, and he was clearly coasting onto retirement; only problem was, his PPOs weren't learning a damn thing from him. They would not come right out and say anything, as most PPOs know to keep quiet, watch and listen, but you could see the frustration on their faces, as their fellow PPOs came in with some occasional quality arrests, part ones...the kinds of arrests that they never got to make while assigned to this particular FTO. After several discussions with this FTO and the D/C, it was decided by the D/C and myself that it would be best to get this particular FTO removed from the FTO program. I had good documentation concerning this FTOs shortcomings, and eventually I made my way to the Academy to see the sergeant who headed up the FTO program at that time, only to be rebuffed in my efforts to remove this officer from the FTO program. "You don't have enough here, Lt.," the sergeant told me. I even went over the sergeant's head, to no avail. All I could do was attempt to shuttle the next incoming group of recruits away from this particular FTO, which I was reasonably successful in doing. I've been retired for quite a few years now, but it is my sincere hope that the overall quality of FTOs is much better than it was during my time on the job. These recruits deserve the best on-the-street instruction that this job can give them if they are to survive and make it to retirement. Every officer on the job should be pushing for that.
11/03/2017 12:46:00 AM
3 hour retails? Hahah. What are you complaining about? At least he was doing something. Do you know how many shit FTOs are out there?? And some are real assholes to boot. And I’m not talking about 3 yr wonder FTOs because at least they’re trying. These are veteran old timers abusing their ppos because they would never have the balls to talk to a seasoned working copper that way. My FTO was a real character. He would begin to get cranky and agitated if we even suggested curbing a vehicle for a little activity. Didn’t learn shit but where the friendly food places were in the district. And honestly i don’t have any ill feelings towards him. That’s just the way this dept operates. It didn’t matter anyway because anything of real value or significance you learn as you go, out in the field. Nobody on this is job explains things to you properly and that includes many supervisors who are just pretending to know their way through things. Don’t even get me started on some of the academy instructors. Their command of the English language is so poor you can’t understand what they’re saying. In an ideal world No one with less than 5 yeas on would be allowed to test to become an FTO. And they would be evaluated on their past performance record prior to testing.
I was an “acting” FTO years ago in 007 with about 2 years on the job Midnights was a pretty young watch and we did our best to learn and help each other out due to the lack of senior officers. I can’t complain about doing the job because it’s been 10 years and I still talk to some of the men and women who I was their FTO and consider them close friends. Obviously things were a lot different then and I feel like the working environment was a lot different and the members of the watch were a lot closer. The department will soon find itself in a very tight spot if they don’t start to appreciate their FTO’s.
Effective January 1 Danny Lukensmeyer is coming back as a civilian to restructure the FTO program.
11/03/2017 06:57:00 AM
Oh that would either be awesome or a catastrophe! God I miss that big mush!!
Anonymous said...
I saw 1900 on tv after the uptown shooting what a goof , hey marc maybe if send some your desk dollies over there they can prevent another shooting
ps I really like your picture of Hillary Clinton in your office
11/03/2017 03:44:00 PM
Hey Dickhead, when you've walked in Buslik's shoes and gone through what he went through, then make some smart ass comments. Otherwise, STFU and leave the guy alone. We've had a lot worse bosses.
In my district the tact team hasn't typed a search warrant in over a year. I worked tact my whole career as a PO and supervisor and I would have argued with you that tact was a necessary evil. That was then. Now I agree. Send them back to the watch. There isn't any room for proactive policing anymore. The grey area has turned black or white. Tact used to do their best work in the grey area. Strap cameras on them and now it's PC stops only and everything by the book. This is the police department the citizens and the bosses demanded and now they have it. Can't unring this bell.
you wanna know something? when I read your comment about tac I got pretty mad and wanted to comment that you were an idiot. But then I thought about it for a few minutes. You actually have a great point. You do. What does tac really do anymore that they need to be in plain clothes, unmarked cars or not get jobs? Our tac teams now have body cams. Since then they do stops but its all just TVBs like you said or getting lucky with a warrant. Guess what? That's the same thing our traffic units already do. So why have them? I'm not bashing them. I get it, its hard now to jump out and go after it.. I played that game for 10 years in tac and moved on to a different place. Why not just put them on the watch? I hear tac cars answering up for jobs all the time now because it might result in an arrest. they are responding to priority 3 jobs with time on them to get an easy arrest for domestic, trespassing etc because nobody is doing anything. If they were on the watch they would be doing the same exact thing except getting a few more jobs to write paper. Its a sad day because back when, tac guys really did decent work and served a purpose. now its a glorified beat car that just doesn't take jobs. No need for it. Put them on the watch. If you want to keep them as a "team" that's fine but put them all on rapids and if you have a more violent sector them make them mobile and move them around but put them in uniform, marked cars and on the watch sheets. They can answer jobs and if they still want to play the aggressive game then go ahead its all the same.
11/03/2017 08:19:00 PM
Agree with most of what your saying, but I would like them in an unmarked vehicle in uniform. Makes sense, if their still playing police, they would be able to get up on a group a little faster at night using an unmarked. When you exit the vehicle, there's no question who you are, your in the monkey suit.
As a Detective, I was a little offended that there weren't any dicks in the poster circulated to announce the FTO test.
Upon further review, I stand corrected, there are A WHOLE BUNCH OF "DICKS" IN THAT PICTURE.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
JA great FTO in 024!
Thankful that my FTO was the late Lee Seward of the old 23rd District. Lee was killed in the line of duty after being disarmed during a domestic, his assailant was subsequently dispatched by a wagon officer. Unfortunately, his recruit did not meet the challenge during the incident. When you work as an FTO, you seldom have any knowledge of your trainee. I respect those officers who are willing to take on a
difficult and precarious assignment.
R I P Patrol Specialist Lee R. Seward
I’d like to know who is the moron that decided to stick FTO’s with 2 or 3 PPO’s at a time. If you are short FTO’s then make the job appealing with real power to washout incompetent PPO’s. FTO’s should be making at least $2500/year more in addition to the $4;500 plus automatic 30 min OT per PPO daily without having to put in a slip. They should also be assigned an FTO car only for FTO and not some PO on a detail. But until the FTO ranks grow and if they are stuck with 2PPO maximum they should have a careless car, perhaps a boss can spare a new vehicle they seem to take or order up at their leisure.
DOJ recognizes that FTO is a crucial position and sets the tone for the kind of PPO to be produced so we need let’s bullsh*t and more action.
FTO,s should have at least 6 years ( 1 year probation and 5 off probabtion) we don’t need incompetent connected clout babies and then we can see real results but I guess I’m dreaming.
Mayor doesn’t give a sh*t; bosses only care about them selves ask super merit baby Janashley who set a record going from detective to sergeant it must be hard carrying the burden of being so heavily connected. And let’s not forget the impressive Lie-tenants and Executive leadership of CPD who have managed to find a new way to cheat with subject matter experts.
Well boys and girls my suggestion is that next time a tall black man in a long black coat offers you a blue or red pill - take the BLUE PILL
GOD save us all Get out when you can before it’s too late..
Anonymous Said...
An important question to consider if the department makes swiping in and out citywide.
Will the FTOs and SGTs have to physically stay the extra half hour past the regular end of the shift?
11/03/2017 06:53:00 PM
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No. It was yet another perk in lieu of a pay raise that wasn't pensionable much like duty availability when it was negotiated.
3 hour retails? Hahah. What are you complaining about? At least he was doing something. Do you know how many shit FTOs are out there?? And some are real assholes to boot. And I’m not talking about 3 yr wonder FTOs because at least they’re trying. These are veteran old timers abusing their ppos because they would never have the balls to talk to a seasoned working copper that way. My FTO was a real character. He would begin to get cranky and agitated if we even suggested curbing a vehicle for a little activity. Didn’t learn shit but where the friendly food places were in the district. And honestly i don’t have any ill feelings towards him. That’s just the way this dept operates. It didn’t matter anyway because anything of real value or significance you learn as you go, out in the field. Nobody on this is job explains things to you properly and that includes many supervisors who are just pretending to know their way through things. Don’t even get me started on some of the academy instructors. Their command of the English language is so poor you can’t understand what they’re saying. In an ideal world No one with less than 5 yeas on would be allowed to test to become an FTO. And they would be evaluated on their past performance record prior to testing.
11/03/2017 10:15:00 PM
I remember a few years back talking to an FTO on days in 012. Ask recruit how things were going and asked if he made any good arrests. He said his FTO said they don’t made arrests on days in 012 and they had to go and write some ticKets. He left his cycles learning nothing except writing ticKets. True story
R I P Patrol Specialist Lee R. Seward
11/04/2017 01:28:00 AM
RIP Lee. But a correction ... his partner that night was not a recruit
Anonymous said...
I think they were finally listening to all the feedback from the sgts and Lts. You cant have a kid with 3 years on being an FTO. I know at 3 years we all thought we knew it all. then at 10 years you realized that at 3 years you really didn't know anything and you start to remember how reckless you were with report writing and decisions. Then at 20 years you realize that the 3 year guy really doenst know anything and that the guy with 10 years is getting pretty good but still doesn't know it all. If you want decent FTOs then you need to make sure they have actually been WORKING ON THE STREET for an absolute minimum of 5 years. Even 5 years isn't a ton of time to be training another person. In my opinion, if you have been in patrol and on a beat car for more than 7 years then you are fine to train somebody. Its ridiculous some of the "FTOS" we have now. Guys like Lukensmeyer and Kenny Watt would puke at the FTOs today. And if you know who Lukensmeyer or Kenny Watt are then you are old enough to be an FTO...
11/03/2017 08:11:00 PM
Kenny Watt was one of a kind but you always learned where a good or bad
Rumor is the Dept is going to make F.T.O the Rank of Corporal. It's been flying around.
FTO = teaching skills + experience
If you can't teach, you have no business being a FTO, no matter if you have 10 years on or 20 years on.
We have FTO's that been on the job for 10+ years and can't teach someone on how to open a door.
The academy MUST include a TEACHING CLASS during FTO School
Current FTO School is a joke. It's just a condensed version of recruit course work.
Everyone knows who the good FTO's are in the districts. You'll hear their names being dropped when questions need to be answered. They are referred to by PPO's, PO's, and supervisors. Some of those FTO's have experience ranging from 20 years to even 4.5 years (yes . . . he works in 007). What do they all have in common?
They can teach. . .
As a one of Randy's first recruits.....
I can verify every word you said.....
He was great......
Although I hated brown bagging on midnights......
Good range guy also.....
Very nice guy.....
11/03/2017 04:38:00 PM
I'm a Randy recruit also.
Ran into him at the north side credit union last week.
Other than his longtime wife having passed, life & retirement are treating him well. In good spirits and looking good.
I see your brown bag lunches, and raise you a night of railroad train watching.
Any Randy recruit will know what we're talking about. (smile)
A female to in 6, sleeps most of her tour and unable to assist recruits with street stops , case reports . The boss knows it but does nothing about it , clout at its best .
A police Officer with two years on that actually makes arrests , writes tickets , completes ISR’s. Backs up fellow officers , responds to in progress calls should be an FTO ahead of dog ass police officers that cannot arrive for roll call on time , follow uniform standards , never make arrests that have 5 or 10 years on . Make them corporals Give them 1/2 a day comp time .
TO 11/05/2017 hey d-ckhead , i have 26 years on the job and i still do everything you do and i dont have clout or live in the 19th ward and i managed to do a year of active duty in iraq, stop tooting your horn , the fto job sucks and if you dont have clout there are no promotions do what i did worked the ghetto and now im in 016 protecting the home front
Rumor is the Dept is going to make F.T.O the Rank of Corporal. It's been flying around.
11/04/2017 02:51:00 PM
No it hasn't.
Love the guy taking about 1 year of probation. Really listen to this guy, probation has been 18 months only for the past 15 years.
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A female to in 6, sleeps most of her tour and unable to assist recruits with street stops , case reports . The boss knows it but does nothing about it , clout at its best .
That’s the problem with the job and she’s not alone
TO 11/05/2017 hey d-ckhead , i have 26 years on the job and i still do everything you do and i dont have clout or live in the 19th ward and i managed to do a year of active duty in iraq, stop tooting your horn , the fto job sucks and if you dont have clout there are no promotions do what i did worked the ghetto and now im in 016 protecting the home front.
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Put a time down, that way we know whose balls your busting.
What really makes a good FTO? I've known guys that had the worst FTOs and ended up being great cops. Sure it would have made it easier for them if they had somebody really showing them the ropes and how to get things done. In the end, it was always within them. They were great cops because they wanted to be that way. Get rid of FTO program and use that extra money to hire more police. There is no reason to pay extra when they aren't training ppos
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