Warm Up the Bus!
If you read the entire COPA report, which we have, a few things stand out. In our opinion, one of the biggest is how many more bosses are going to have to go under the bus for this to go forward.
With the JVD shooting, a whole boatload of careers were cut short as those signing off on the investigation we encouraged (or told) to resign and anyone who couldn't ended up indicted or stripped.
Page though this investigation and you can see the fingerprints of all sorts of people who are going to have to be fired or told to resign or indicted. The Detective(s) for starters. A shit load of white shirts. And Rahm's buddy, Chief Melissa Staples. There's no way she gets out unscathed, and that is going to piss off a lot of Rahm's alternative-lifestyle big-money supporters.
Of course, with Granny Clampett leaving and running a mid-sized police department (into the ground), the novelty of naming Staples as Supernintendo may have worn off a bit. Rahm has always been one to balance the political scales against the winds of public opinion. Watch for the resignation notices to start flying if this is headed a bad direction.
With the JVD shooting, a whole boatload of careers were cut short as those signing off on the investigation we encouraged (or told) to resign and anyone who couldn't ended up indicted or stripped.
Page though this investigation and you can see the fingerprints of all sorts of people who are going to have to be fired or told to resign or indicted. The Detective(s) for starters. A shit load of white shirts. And Rahm's buddy, Chief Melissa Staples. There's no way she gets out unscathed, and that is going to piss off a lot of Rahm's alternative-lifestyle big-money supporters.
Of course, with Granny Clampett leaving and running a mid-sized police department (into the ground), the novelty of naming Staples as Supernintendo may have worn off a bit. Rahm has always been one to balance the political scales against the winds of public opinion. Watch for the resignation notices to start flying if this is headed a bad direction.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
79 Comments:
The bean counters already know to the penny
how much money they will save.
Being proactive now means being fetal.
The anti-war protesters in the 60s knew something
that cops are just beginning to realize: The System
is crooked. They promise you a job, supportive
working conditions, and a stable retirement.
It's all a lie and The System only exists for the sake
of The System.
The kids were bamboozled in the 60s and got a
black granite wall to show for it. Corporate America
(especially the military industrial complex) got filthy
rich.
Fired Cartridge Case Ejection Patterns from Semi-Automatic Firearms
William J. Lewinski, William B. Hudson, David Karwoski, & Christa J. Redmann (2010)
Investigative Sciences Journal
During testimony, “experts” often cite that spent cartridge case ejection locations from a semi-automatic firearm indicate the location of the shooter based on the assumption that most spent cartridge cases land to the right and rear of the shooter. The authors of this study investigated whether spent cartridge case ejection locations are an accurate indicator of a shooter’s location. Eight different semi-automatic weapons most frequently used by police officers were used to collect data from eleven different shooting positions. The results highlighted the significant inconsistency of the spent cartridge case ejection locations that occurred across test positions even when several factors including firearm type, firearm position, and ammunition were accounted for. Of 7,670 bullets fired, over 25 percent of the spent cartridge casings landed somewhere other than to the right and rear of the shooter where it is commonly accepted they should land. That pattern inconsistency is significant and demonstrates that determining shooter location from the spent cartridge case alone leads to only a tentative estimate of the shooter’s location.
The rest of the article is on the Force Science website. Thanks to Anonymous for giving me the site.
Memorial Day weekend we show solidarity if things don’t turn around! Enough is enough! Stand together!
All I have to say is WOW!
Wow, I can't believe that this report was in the Tribune so now the public can play Monday morning quarter backs and vilify the police also. You know everybody knows the police officer's job better than the police officer without ever being one. Always think down the line to federal court in anything you do. An insignificant misc. x card you wrote five years ago could jackpot you. This lethal lizard of a mayor, and others, are annihilating this police department for their own greed. Your only recourse at this point is do nothing and don't get involved. And don't go to any awards ceremonies and shake this weasel's hand because he loves photo ops to show that everybody supports him. Why aren't the scandals in his administration in the paper every day. People file Freedom of Information Requests into this adminstration and they are ignored just like the people he worked for, the Clintons and Obamas.
HAPPY NEW YEAR , as long as they get the RIGHT PEOPLE , and most of them Brass , get a little taste of there own music .
Are you suggesting Staples was a boss involved with the JVD shooting? If you are you have your dates messed up, She was Fed Waller’s XO when that occurred and not involved in it at all.
Once agin stay fetal do not do anything if you don’t see the writing on the wall now I don’t think you will ever
Special Ed got a "promotion?" after JVD shoot.
Didn't Eddie sign off on that shooting?
Are you fucking kidding me! According to the report, COPA can determin what an officer should have saw. This is beyond fucked up. Every Police union/ Department / Officer should be fighting this bullshit.
So "bio" momma believed her son "Q" was being molested by Mz Jones or his father and requested the ME to conduct further examinations? WTF, keeping it real in the ghetto...
I read the report in it’s entirety, it will be destroyed by even an incompetent attorney.
You're right about this SCC.....However, I'll BELIEVE IT when I see the Stapler getting the boot. As for the others...YIKES. They GONE...
With the number of coppers and Medical personnel who trampled over the area of the crime scene, I have to wonder why the location of the shell casings is of any real import.
Staples will not be in trouble. Guaranteed. The difference between this and JVD is many bigwigs signed off even after having viewed the video. Others, such as Sgt F, we're expected to examine all available evidence. Here there was no BWC, no in car camera, and only the two officers. What else could she have went off of but the word of the officers?
A wise man once said: "When you are YOUNG you have all the answers
And when you are OLD you have all the questions".
True dat with the FOIA. They lie and withhold requested information, i.e. Anything to do with merit promotions. Fact. DOJ take note. There's no 'transparency" which is a word thrown around candidly and quite proudly in the department as well as city hall.. Although they don't follow through on the transparent promises and empty rhetoric. Would actually refer to it as "cloudy" and 'distorted" at that. This regime thinks it can do anything without repercussions, quite noble of them. Wake up call coming.
I was browsing through the report, they gave an estimate of 10-15 mins for the officers to arrive on scene! Who knows what they were doing, but that's yet another problem with "stay fetal and go slow to jobs." They could have crawled there and everything still would have happened
I don’t think Detectives are allowed to disprove witness statements based on a hunch or political motives like COPA. Charges can’t be proposed on ‘there is nothing to prove he did (or didn’t) do it the way he says, so fudgeit,,,, he is guilty.
Detectives don’t determine or look for administrative errors, that job belongs to immediate supervisors, IAD/OPS/IPRA/COPA.
In that regard even Staples is clean. She isn’t acting as an administrative supervisor on those scenes. She is supervising the criminal investigation, which we ALL (even Foxxxxx and COPA) agree does not exist here.
I don’t see any evidence provided by COPA’s report that disputes the version of events provided by those officers. Except an out of the blue withess never interviewed by police or detectives. The ‘witness’ was with a guy who was murdered but he doesnt know his name. So they dont attempt to prove that male existed or that they were together that night and then he was murdered? Very convienent. That witness testimony is probably proven false during a criminal investigation, certainly not taken at face value to become the center of the case as with COPA.
Night and Day compared to video in JVD.
12:35AM......
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This has nothing to do with your pension or health insurance.
Better read this False CR investigation report.
It states COPA did a two year investigation. COPA has not been around that long.
It further states investigator interviewed plenty of witnesses. But they did not.
They took statements from other investigations including civil suits.
This was a whitewash.
Sorry to the poor officer but your being fed to the lions.....
Rahm has a revolt and a shit storm on on his hands now with people that will throw his ass under the bus, a shit load. People he thought would fall on sword for him will trick his little prick ass out now.
He is not fit to work as a anchor to Chris Kelly on the white man hater show at radio WVON, Chicago' heartbeat of the community. Prickwinkle also will have her 16 legger' toilet rim people picking her bones to her cat skin.
Early winter of 2018 will be a fucked up year for these demopricks. Got to love it. CPD will be run by a g appointed manager, Jody come back and do right again. Our great POTUS Trump will dump Sessions for doing zero soon and the next guy will go record speed to fuck these city and county parasites. The grand juries at 219 will be held in record numbers.
First one that gives up a prime figure gets the deal for a short stay at club fed.
Staples will talk and walk out free. The old bosses that fled in 2016 will be served a piece a paper to appear at the GJ. Fun times for these fucks, and about time.
The ghetto people will be staying out of gold coast soon too. Order will again to prevail. It has been said and will be written !!!!!
Different set of rules for the connected. Always had been and never will change.
They allege that he failed twice to provide medical assistance. Ambulances came on scene and transported people to hospitals.
So, are police now required to do alot more than that? How much more exactly?
Are police to receive additional training and equipment to treat gunshot wounds amongst other things? What about exposure to infectious diseases?
Are police going to be immune if a person dies after police try to give medical assistance?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Wow, I can't believe that this report was in the Tribune so now the public can play Monday morning quarter backs and vilify the police also. You know everybody knows the police officer's job better than the police officer without ever being one. Always think down the line to federal court in anything you do. An insignificant misc. x card you wrote five years ago could jackpot you. This lethal lizard of a mayor, and others, are annihilating this police department for their own greed. Your only recourse at this point is do nothing and don't get involved. And don't go to any awards ceremonies and shake this weasel's hand because he loves photo ops to show that everybody supports him. Why aren't the scandals in his administration in the paper every day. People file Freedom of Information Requests into this adminstration and they are ignored just like the people he worked for, the Clintons and Obamas.
12/31/2017 03:20:00 AM
Well said!
Anonymous said...
Memorial Day weekend we show solidarity if things don’t turn around! Enough is enough! Stand together!
12/31/2017 12:42:00 AM
We cant wait till then!
This could actually sink COPA before it gets going. The leaders there thought they are legit. They forgot who they work for.
Think about all of the politics here...
I read every page of that COPA Report. IMHO, it's unmitigated HORSESHIT!
What I found sort of funny (not ha-ha funny) was the repeated use of the phrase: ......
----> 'what a *reasonable officer* would do'. <----
I couldn't help but think back to Ex-FBI Director Jim Comey's press conference where he ::cough-BS:: exonerated :: cough-BS:: Hillary Clinton by saying: No *reasonable prosecutor* would press charges ....
As we found out immediately after Comey spewed that bullshit on national TV, the definition of 'reasonable' is 100% subjective. It wholly depends on whose Ox is being gored, and who is doing the goring.
The truth is that this "reasonable officer" standard COPA is using is just as subjective, it all comes down to who is determining what that means. And in COPA's case I think it's pretty clear -- In Police Shooting cases COPA will NEVER find that mythical 'reasonable officer' because in their anti-police minds, NO shooting is justified.
Last but not least, COPA's 'Preponderance of evidence' standard for guilt is a bunch of steaming crap. Every case they look into will be nothing but a modern day version of Stalin's Soviet Show Trial.
But hey, it's Chicago. Nothing could be more fitting for Tiny Dancer, the anti-police democrats, and the hood-rats Rahm's pandering to for votes.
Bottom of page 44, COPA stated that a bat is not necessarily a deadly weapon even if the offender is holding it above his head. Please read that passage at the bottom . Do not do anything at work. This is the new policy.
025 3rd Watch
Why does this job have so many haters? More specifically why do some officers want to hate on the 3rd watch 1730 officers? Look at the statistics. We make more arrests, tvb's, movers, parkers and isr's than anyone else. So we deserve to be taken care of. Happy New Year and don't hate, imitate.
Its what happens when politics are stirred into the law enforcement stew. It ain't fit for humans!
J.J.
You are dreaming if you think Melissa Staples or other white shirts and big bosses get hurt. Get hurt like having to take a $100,000 pension and getting a $100,000 job. I guess you could call that shortening your career
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The anti-war protesters in the 60s knew something
that cops are just beginning to realize: The System
is crooked. They promise you a job, supportive
working conditions, and a stable retirement.
It's all a lie and The System only exists for the sake
of The System.
The kids were bamboozled in the 60s and got a
black granite wall to show for it. Corporate America
(especially the military industrial complex) got filthy
rich.
12/31/2017 12:28:00 AM
I remember to this day, my dad on the day I was going to Join the Marines in 1967. He was a decorated Marine from World War Two and never talked about what he did or seen while Island hopping. But that day, he said, this Vietnam War is bullshit and not a treat to us like the Japs and the German's were in the 40's. Just before I was leaving, my dad said, if you don't have to go, stay out of this one. Well I joined the Marines in June 1967, I don't regret being in the fight, but thinking about what he said, it was true; there was no direct threat to our Country, it was all bullshit.
Who was it who shot up a Brew Pub in Rogers Park? Probably some yuppie who hates the Police anyway.
I understand their logic, however, their logic is deeply flawed. I suspect many closed use of force incidents will now be reopened, and subjected to their same flawed thinking.
Police work does not occur in a vacuum. Unfortunately, they appear to believe it does.
Resignations? maybe yes and maybe no. A lot depends on who is in the gun sights ( so to speak) and who is backing that person. Signing off on the McDonald case sure did not hurt the current superintendo, did it? The real question awaiting an answer here is what is the discipline recommendation by COPA that is sure to follow and will CPD go along with it, resist it or let it go to the board. There are a lot of unanswered questions here to include what Foxx will now do.
Hey COPA, only a domestic call huh. Read that article about the the Denver deputies responding to the domestic where 5 deputies were shot one fatally. You people have absolutely no clue. Your actions are going to get people hurt. And I for one will hold you assholes accountable. I know you want to get re-elected Rahm but this slippery slope just got turned upside down. You’ve called us “fetal” before, well you haven’t seen anything yet pal.
Give COPA a uniform, gun, badge, radio, car and powers of arrest. Put them in 011 and 007 on afternoons or midnights in the months of July
and August and let us judge them on their performance and decision making.
My father was police, my sisters were police and now my grandson wants to police also - much to my dismay. Not because they were power hungry but because they genuinely cared about and wanted to help people. I tend to believe that the majority of people who can do this job want that. I appreciate and respect the people who try to guard our city against the violence taking place. God bless you.
We MUST march on COPA’S office. This report is the most ridiculous “investigation” I’ve ever read. They make it obvious that they’re against us. Let’s make it obvious that they’re not shit to us either. We marched on Daley, let’s do it again!
Rest assured no exempt will fall.
Very strange that a gsw (gsw 1) to the elbow that obviously was in the bent position, like when about to swing a baseball bat, is never mentioned again.
The Chicago Police Department Case Supplementary Report- Morgue Report, RD#
HZ103710, submitted by Sgt. Andrew Schoeff on March 21, 2016, documents that on December
27, 2015 Dr. Escobar performed an autopsy on the remains of and determined
the cause and manner of death to be multiple gunshot wounds (MGSW) and the manner being
Homicide. An external examination revealed GSW numbered #1 entered the left inner elbow and
exit the left inner bicep, GSW numbered #2 entered the left ribcage and lodged,
AND THEN..... a year an a half later.
In a statement made to IPRA on August 29, 2017, Assistant Medical Examiner ("ME")
Dr. Kristin Escobar stated that she performed the autopsies for both and
Dr. Escobar indicated that suffered six gunshot wounds to his body. The shot numbered
"1" was located on the lateral left side of the chest. The shot numbered "2" was located on the
lower left side of his back. The shot numbered "3" was located on his right buttock, and the shot
numbered "4" was located on the posterior medial left
Ironically right before COPA comes to light, a significant gsw magically disappears. Hopefully the PO's attorney sees this or was already aware of it
Does any really believe the COPA monster has been programmed to target bosses too? City hall built the monster. They control it. The clouted will be safe. COPA will be similar to the IG. If you are an average Joe you're screwed.
Are you suggesting Staples was a boss involved with the JVD shooting? If you are you have your dates messed up, She was Fed Waller’s XO when that occurred and not involved in it at all.
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Reading is a skill there Sparky. Go read the link we helpfully included to the COPA investigation for this shooting. Then come back and comment when you're a tiny little bit wiser.
This cut and paste "mopa" investigation has all the makings of the DOJ report released by plagiarizer Gupta...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Special Ed got a "promotion?" after JVD shoot.
12/31/2017 05:34:00 AM
Yes he did.
Good luck with doing your job!
call COPA what it is, a Kangaroo Court.
Police work does not occur in a vacuum. Unfortunately, they appear to believe it does.
12/31/2017 12:10:00 PM
Indeed it does, betwixt the notorious Void Within The Noggin.......
Why does this job have so many haters? More specifically why do some officers want to hate on the 3rd watch 1730 officers? Look at the statistics. We make more arrests, tvb's, movers, parkers and isr's than anyone else. So we deserve to be taken care of. Happy New Year and don't hate, imitate.
12/31/2017 10:41:00 AM
So......you're the knucklehead brigade......delightful.......
But hey, it's Chicago. Nothing could be more fitting for Tiny Dancer, the anti-police democrats, and the hood-rats Rahm's pandering to for votes.
12/31/2017 10:21:00 AM
The definition of reasonable depends entirely upon the specific reasons, purposes, motives, etc., of the person doing the reasoning.
Thus, the elegant reasoning of the well known q & a:
Q: Why do you rob banks?
A: Because that's where the money is.
(cue rim shot)
Anonymous said...
Memorial Day weekend we show solidarity if things don’t turn around! Enough is enough! Stand together!
12/31/2017 12:42:00 AM
And rahm knows it is not going to happen.
025 3rd Watch
Why does this job have so many haters? More specifically why do some officers want to hate on the 3rd watch 1730 officers? Look at the statistics. We make more arrests, tvb's, movers, parkers and isr's than anyone else. So we deserve to be taken care of. Happy New Year and don't hate, imitate.
Stay fetal who give a rats ass about numbers it doesn't get you anywhere but indicted don't do anything
Make sure the next time Rahm shows up, you make sure you turn your back to this rotten little weasel. He deserves nothing less. No hand shaking or smiling at this rat.
The JVD witch hunt saw McNaughton run for the hills. He wasn’t even 50 years old and should have been promoted a couple more times. Not to mention a Lt and some Sgt.’s. Time will tell. Regardless this department is screwed. I got 100 toothpicks that says we reach 900 murders next year. BLM? How many were shot by the police in 2017 5-10. What about the other 600 or so black on black killings, when are we going to start that conversation?
The statement made in the disclaimer at the bottom of page 46 really pisses me off. While true it's total BS ....
I feel that COPA can just make allegations based on their observations and reasonings.
And this officer was not criminally charged by the CCSAO, so give it up COPA.
Have everyone walk around city hall with a bat held in a striking position. 4pm, when it’s busy. No danger ! No fear. It’s only “ a bat”.🤔
You are dreaming if you think Melissa Staples or other white shirts and big bosses get hurt. Get hurt like having to take a $100,000 pension and getting a $100,000 job. I guess you could call that shortening your career
You got that right the connected, simply resign and move into another cushy high paying city, county, state position. The money will continue to flow
https://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2017/12/31/baltimore-police-backed-away-community-protested-guess-happened/
Ha......Ha.......
Thank you COPA for proving what many believe.
"COPA conducted a two-year investigation into this incident" even though COPA officially opened less than four months ago on Friday, September 15th, 2017.
You can't make this shit up.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Better read this False CR investigation report.
It states COPA did a two year investigation. COPA has not been around that long.
It further states investigator interviewed plenty of witnesses. But they did not.
They took statements from other investigations including civil suits.
This was a whitewash.
Sorry to the poor officer but your being fed to the lions.....
12/31/2017 09:10:00 AM
What that really means is that is when they thought about how to form a group to fuck the police and do it 'legally'.... at Rahm's suggestion.....two years ago.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Staples will not be in trouble. Guaranteed. The difference between this and JVD is many bigwigs signed off even after having viewed the video. Others, such as Sgt F, we're expected to examine all available evidence. Here there was no BWC, no in car camera, and only the two officers. What else could she have went off of but the word of the officers?
12/31/2017 08:05:00 AM
Exactly. But I’m glad SCC finally agrees with my past comments that she’s in line to be Supt. Rahm has been enamored with her since he met her at the opening news conference at 012 five years ago.
The anti-war protesters in the 60s knew something
that cops are just beginning to realize: The System
is crooked. They promise you a job,...
No one is ever PROMISED a job except within the economic fantasy-land of the Chicago Machine (likely to expire within a few bond ratings periods).
I guess we're supposed to just stand there, get bashed in the head and become vegatables? As far as failing render medical aid, as long as we call for an ambulance, that's considered medical aid. I took LEMART, but never bought the kit. So now I'm supposed to buy the damn thing?!?! How about everyone who takes and passes LEMART gets issued one!! Fuck this Department!! Glad I'm gone in 18 months!!
Sorry, I left this same comment (or at least worded pretty close) on an earlier post when I meant to leave it on this one.
Reading the full COPA report one thing stands out like a sore thumb----these Officers had just been in the WORST experience that an Officer can ever have, that of taking another person's life, topped with the accidental killing of a bystander.
A lot of the COPA comments could have been avoided by following the rule we used in my department in Nashville, Tn. We were represented by the FOP and the FIRST thing that the responding Officers did was to make sure the Officers involved did not develop diarrhea of the mouth----TELL THEM TO SHUT UP! Then call the On-call attorney and have them respond to the scene. A VERY short statement to the first Officers or Investigators, enough to have them look at what they need to, is ALL you say before you speak with a lawyer.
Once that attorney speaks with the Officers then they can make an informed decision as to when they will make a formal statement and where.
In these situations (shooting, fatal or very bad wreck, violent assault, etc.) time will slow down or speed up, you cannot be sure of distances, number of shots, commands given, who did what or to who. It may take days to remember it all.
Once you make the formal statement (whilst keeping your mouth shut to ALL of your fellow Officers) then you are "one and done". You make ONE statement and then you don't speak of the incident with ANYONE unless your attorney approves it beforehand.
I spent 37+ years on the job and worked Patrol for 28 and Detective for 9. This is how it was set up to avoid what COPA is hammering Officer Rialmo on----- "inconsistencies".
Avail yourselves of the same rights that everyone you deal with has, that of an attorney being present and the right to remain silent. Don't put the noose around your own neck.
Copa. Deterring every sane copper since 2016. Shoudve taken the fire test.
They came for my neighbor, and I said nothing....
Blah, blah, blah... If the officer felt his life (or someone else's life) was in danger of death or great bodily harm, both possible with a bat, then deadly force is permitted.
After reading the report, the victim officer stopped shooting after it was evident the offender with the bat was incapacitated. The law doesn't say X# feet= safety, it says "felt" life was in danger.
Rahm’s bus has that off road suspension.... lots of ground clearance to fit lots and lots of us underneath.
COPA saying they conducted a two-year investigation is like the fresh, know nothing PPO with exactly two days on the street telling people they've been a cop for a couple years in the hope of disguising how little they actually know. Instant experts, just ask them.
You got that right the connected, simply resign and move into another cushy high paying city, county, state position. The money will continue to flow
12/31/2017 08:28:00 PM
Yes, absolutely the truth. There was one sergeant, close to Daley who was made district commander then deputy chief, retired and made head of security for the CTA and McCormick Place now a police chief in a Madigan controlled suburb. That is clout. You cannot make this stuff up. Qualified? Maybe, but lots of clout leads to great jobs which leads to great qualifications
Not to worry. Cesario and his super calculator will solve it all.
COPA really reaching trying to establish PO’s position when shots were fired. They make selective inferences which support their version of events and discount as not plausible anything that might not support their version. Very obvious. They also make a big deal of minor inconsistencies when it is common knowledge that recall is never perfect.
Avoid as much contact as possible and if you must make contact make sure your camera is running. It could end up being your best friend.
Citizens of Chicago you are on your own.
Very strange that a gsw (gsw 1) to the elbow that obviously was in the bent position, like when about to swing a baseball bat, is never mentioned again.
*****
Damn fine point, sir. Further proof that will certainly be ignored.
COPA claims that it found that Officer Rialmo is guilty of Allegation 3, firing into a building b/c
"Allegation 3 is that Officer Rialmo fired multiple times into a home occupied by persons who would be at risk of injury or death."
But CPD use of force policy is: "Firing into buildings or through doors, windows, or other openings when the person lawfully fired at is not clearly visible, unless directed at a specific location and such force is reasonably necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm to the sworn member or to another person."
The assailant was "clearly visible", in fact he was standing a few feet in front the officer and was not in the home but outside the home on the porch.
I read this report. This is total bs what they are doing to this officer. Your dammed if you defend yourself. Do we have to wait to get struck first?!
COPA Investigator used lots of verbiage and made many assumptions..Very subjective assumptions..Lots of twisted semantics.. Just remember that these COPA Goofballs will use everything they can to find you at fault no matter what the facts and evidence are...
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