Defense Begins
(our opinion - feel free to politely disagree)
- For nearly three years, the phrase “16 shots” has been cemented in the public’s mind with the police shooting of Laquan McDonald.
But only one of those shots mattered, a pathologist testified Monday as Chicago Police Officer Jason Van Dyke’s defense got underway.
Van Dyke’s defense led off with Dr. Shaku Teas, who testified that a shot that tore through the right side of the 17-year-old’s chest and severed his pulmonary artery caused McDonald to die, likely within one to five minutes.
“It is my opinion that this is the one that caused Laquan to die so rapidly,” she said.
She called the remaining 15 shots “totally immaterial.”
Immaterial....except for the ability to generate outrage. It was some solid testimony and she laid some broadsides into the Cook County Medical Examiners sloppy autopsy. No idea how a jury will interpret it.
Protestors were again mostly absent from the courthouse. Maybe twenty-five at their most numerous. Perhaps the economy has recovered enough that they all went and got jobs.
Protestors were again mostly absent from the courthouse. Maybe twenty-five at their most numerous. Perhaps the economy has recovered enough that they all went and got jobs.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
79 Comments:
25 protestors. Sounds about right.
Here’s some insight to this whole BS that some world changers and one year wonders may not get. The worry isn’t about the protests and those that ACTUALLY care about stoping gun violence and making community relations better. No matter the outcome the wildlings will use it as an excuse to riot. Either in celebration or “outrage”. All they want is some reason to break the law. How do you stop that? Grow a pair of balls. Lock up the first rioters and “protestors” you can that are breaking the law. The rest will scatter like cockroaches and leave. Otherwise get ready for a long couple of weeks of RDO’s getting nixed.
She also testified that 12 of the 16 shots struck him before he hit the ground. Ive seen the video. Its hard to beleive.
more than 25. A good 40+ in the middle at one point hating on CPD. Another 15 to 20 on the sidewalk talking shit. All gone by noon.
How does her testimony and findings help JVD? I realize why the defense had to put her on the stand. But it doesn't clear JVD of the charge of murder. All she is saying that JVD killed Laquan with one shot not 16 shots.
It’s never about how many times you shoot someone. It’s about why you shot the person.
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Protestors were again mostly absent from the courthouse. Maybe twenty-five at their most numerous. Perhaps the economy has recovered enough that they all went and got jobs. ...”
I’m going to politely disagree.
Peeps are wise to facial recognition. They are wise to stingray. They are wise to being watched.
Word of mouth is planning one big bad burn it all peaceful protest where all those newly employed yutes either take the day off or call out sick.
Strength in numbers and they intend to bring em all at once.
Some are busy in DC at the moment, but they will be bussed in for the freestuff shopping sprees coming.
May God please watch over all good souls wearing the Badge. Please. Pretty please, a fig on top?
Protesters prolly got flooded with Uber pick ups— gotta make dat money, and pay grandma preckwinkle some taxes
Hung jury, send through shitter again till conviction.. if innocent, please tell us how
When you put out a bulletin that says "officers beware of knives disguised as guns," is something to be aware of. Granted not a lot of those out there but they do exist and they are not in a home protecting a family from an intruder. They're there to conceal the ability to kill someone. The video is only part of the story, JVD is getting railroaded for stopping a high af criminal from continuing on to hurt or kill someone. Remember PCP dude at Roosevelt and Cicero who nearly killed the PO? What if that was my son.
If there is one thing that infuriates Dr. Cyril Wecht,
it's a sloppy autopsy. He is pathologist for hire.
Have money, will travel. Outstanding C.V.
This should have been filed under "Humor." The protesters got jobs? Bwahaha!
Protestors were again mostly absent from the courthouse. Maybe twenty-five at their most numerous.
more likely the assholes i mean protesters had to be there anyway for their own court appearances.
I’ve been paying attention to the trial while removing my “police goggles” in an attempt to evaluate the testimony through the eyes of a civilian. Remember, the jurors are not coppers. Here is my take thus far.
I watched the opening statements, which were “won” by the Prosecution. Not that Herbert did anything wrong, it’s just the State made the better argument.
The State’s witnesses versus the Defense....slight edge to the State.
Day 1 defense witnesses....big wins by the State.
We shall see what else the Defense has, but considering what’s happened thus far through the eyes of a civilian, the state has put on a more convincing argument-NOT THAT I AGREE WITH THE STATE.
I wonder how much of the 5 million the LaQuandians got from the city is left/
"totally immaterial " are you kidding me? That is the one thing that will convict Van Dyke. She maybe right but those extra 15 are far from being "totally immaterial". Perception is reality and the perception is of a young man high on drugs shot 16 times by the CPD. The truth matters little to those folks and the 16 shots and a coverup fits there view of the CPD. Win or loose right or wrong a opportunity to riot and loot some free stuff will not go to waste. Good luck to those that will have to deal with the results of the trial. The shit show is about to begin and the "subject matter experts" in charge will be totally immaterial to the outcome........
But let them hear the words not guilty, and there’s going to be a full out war on the streets I’m afraid .
Stay safe out there, an awful lot of us believe in you guys.
on this one...keep the snark to a minimum.
people have been known to die during riots...
just saying
“Maybe twenty-five at their most numerous. Perhaps the economy has recovered enough that they all went and got jobs.”
hahahahaha - yeah, that’s what happened.
Anonymous said...
It’s never about how many times you shoot someone. It’s about why you shot the person.
I politely disagree, as a non-PO, but as a CCL civilian with 36 years as a paramedic. McDonald was obviously a bad dude, beyond control or reason. But there simply has to be a difference between shooting a bad person who is a threat to you (Michael Brown) or others (scores of others), and shooting a bad person for being bad, when s/he isn't representing an immediate threat. And medically speaking, there's a yuuuge difference between the first shot and the 16th.
Tell me, because I'm ignorant to police training - is there a difference between shooting to eliminate the immediate threat (what I was taught in CCL) and how POs are trained?
How does her testimony and findings help JVD? I realize why the defense had to put her on the stand. But it doesn't clear JVD of the charge of murder. All she is saying that JVD killed Laquan with one shot not 16 shots.
If he's justified in shooting the first couple rounds, you can't have agg batt to a dead guy.
I know an AGITATOR or protester.
They attend Harold Washington "COLLEGE"
It seem that protestor cash is in short supply.
You see a mayors race is going on and every ass hat thought they were smarter than The ballerina RAHM.
But mayors races cost million to actually run.
Nobody has funds to pay homeless, college student and bike riding hipster with tattoos to come out and riot.
Jesse, Father Faker, JAMMAL, Prick-wrinkle (secret crew) And the BLM Democratic funded group all keeping the cash in pocket.
NO buses
no signs
NO lunches
100$ bills to pass out
I would expect teens to go downtown and swipe up gym shoe and purses in flash mobs.
"How does her testimony and findings help JVD? I realize why the defense had to put her on the stand. But it doesn't clear JVD of the charge of murder. All she is saying that JVD killed Laquan with one shot not 16 shots."
JVD was not wildly shooting, he was shooting to stop the threat.
The protesters were too busy dividing up their newest "free money" to end violence
Englewood Taskforce Awarded Nearly $1 Million Grant To Reduce Crime In The Neighborhood
No protesters? Just wait, those 'rats' are hiding in the sewer, just waiting to pounce.....be careful out there.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How does her testimony and findings help JVD? I realize why the defense had to put her on the stand. But it doesn't clear JVD of the charge of murder. All she is saying that JVD killed Laquan with one shot not 16 shots.
9/25/2018 01:20:00 AM
Watch the whole trial not the just the clips you see in the news. If they can prove he was a threat TO JVD not anyone else, then he is justified under law to use deadly force. The only one that can say whether he was in fear for his safety is HIM. Excessive force does not make for a murder charge.
Has anyone noticed when the corrupt liberal media shows footage of the protests....the camera is zoomed in giving the appearance of a lot more protesters then there actually is?
Any protesting is jury intimidation plain and simple. Nobody is anonymous.
She didn't impress me . She rambled on and on. Not impressed. Is that the best they could do?
The disgusting, anti police biased media isn’t giving this trial front page coverage now that it’s the defenses turn.
When the prosecution was up they couldn’t cover it enough with their clearly biased reporting.
Assholes.
The defense needs to call FatHeadEd and McNumbnuts.
Ask them why they ruled this shooting justified...... until the political winds started to blow and they were instructed to change course.
That right there should ensure an aquital, or at the very least a hung jury.
Knives are not weapons, try and sell that to London.
Democrats will be tripping over themselves to score some points.
A select few have a hotline to the Cook Co States Activism Office for updates.
All are prepping their Anti-Police and Reforms speeches, as this week the trial winds down.
I’d expect they’ll get their mugs on tv soon to try and influence to jury and the low-info crowd.
It’s been a week and is Rahm already in to hiding or looking out for property in DC?
No coverage -
How many times does one need to be stabbed (for no reason) before allowed to react, if able?
On or about 19Sep2018, while out for an 8pm jog in upscale Logan Circle neighborhood;
Wendy Karina Martinez was stabbed seven times in an attack Washington D.C. Chief of Police Peter Newsham described as "random" and "unprovoked." Newsham told reporters Thursday that police had arrested 23-year-old Anthony Crawford.
Acquaintances of Crawford recognized him in surveillance video released by police on Wednesday and one told detectives Crawford is an "avid user of the synthetic narcotic K-2," according to a criminal complaint made public Thursday.
No protesters.
No Beyouncer, no Chancé the Wrappers.
No condolences from the Elected or Apology from the mayor.
Tolerance is so overrated.
How does her testimony and findings help JVD? I realize why the defense had to put her on the stand. But it doesn't clear JVD of the charge of murder. All she is saying that JVD killed Laquan with one shot not 16 shots.
9/25/2018 01:20:00 AM
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She also testified that 12 of the 16 shots struck him before he hit the ground. Ive seen the video. Its hard to beleive.
9/25/2018 12:24:00 AM
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It’s never about how many times you shoot someone. It’s about why you shot the person.
9/25/2018 01:22:00 AM
= Lawful Use of Lethal Force determined neccessary +
Threat Meeting Lawful Use of Lethal Force neccessary persists +
Officer Deploying Lawful Use of Lethal Force perceives persisting determination of neccessity +
Officer Deploying Lawful Use of Lethal Force continues said deploying, until Deadly Threat is Nullified =
That is fucking why.
Why this factual testimony helps.
Why this testimony clears the bullshit murder charge, and all other bullshit charges.
Why your "all she is saying" is puppy shit soft.
Why the deployment of the Lawful Use of Lethal Force is not upon a "the person", it is to Nullify the Threat.
"They all went and got jobs". LOL SCC, your sense of humor is rich.
If youblook closely at most protest signs they are all tied tonthe communist socialist movement. Big picture, small disruptions intent to overthrow the govt. Stands true with teachers union, blm and many more. Look at the colors and insignia used.
Since JVD is charged with murder 1,dont you have to "prove" premeditation?? Where is the premeditation??? The officers responded to a assigned radio call...….
Saw blaze cupich in his gold hat, red robe with staff in hand. Looked like he was going to “Marvel Magazine” try outs. What a pos.
In Cohen's court, hearing going on right now...
Nice turn out....
Gmac is here...
Expert witnesses will testify to what ever the payer wants. I don’t care what they testify to there is always another expert to contradict the other. The only one I ever saw that was legit was Dr Bauden from NY. When that piece of shit Brown’s next of kin hired him to say that he was shot outside the squad car from the rear Bauden ‘s finding was that he was shot while he was lying on top of the officer in the squad car. Once the findings came out no one wanted to talk about the findings or brought them up again.
What ever happened to the little piece of shit that swore Brown had his hands in the air and the officer shot him point blank in the back of the head? She incited the riot with her lies.
Remember the Criminal Cardinal Cupcake walking into Holy Name Cathederal with his hands up then denying that he was dissing the police then lying to the FOP in a bullshit letter? He said last week that the “agenda” is bigger than perverted priests.
Say No to democrates and say No to the Catholic Church.
Not one reporter from Chicago’s fake news has asked any of the disrupters, why didn’t he drop the knife , why did he threaten security , truck driver ,police with a knife. Where was his Mother ,Uncle for the last few years ?
Do you think Police would shoot him if he dropped the knife , do you think it was suicide by cop ?
I do .
Where were his Family , poor kid was a throw away until they hit ghetto lottery .
Here’s the problem with Libtards. Democrats. Left wingers fake reverends ,fake priests and community activists ,organizers .
Police Officers are human , we bleed , die if shot ,hit with pipes , bottles ,2x4’s , ya getbthat
All of the above must tell their followers that guns can look like cell phones , pens , canes , knives etc .
You are not being stopped because you are Black ,Brown That is a lie .
You must obey verbal commands , do not everpoint any object at police officers , never attempt to punch ,choke or disarm a police officer .
If you do , good chance you will receive a free visit with medical examiners office ,
So sad , 100,000’s of people have contacts with police officers everyday , no problems , equal respect given.
It’s this small % that believe they do not have to follow the laws .
That female asa not the sharpest knife in the drawer , sad thing is she is likely sharper than kimeisha sly 🦊
JVD is Innocent , McDonald had every opportunity to drop knife , not threaten police officers .
A person walking with a knife ,refusing to drop knife is a threat , all agreed until politicians wanted to be PC and make a scapegoat.
How long did it take to get charges approved , why so long ? Because he looked like he was in fear of being attacked is my opinion .
ASA is actually helping JVD. Yes , she keeps showing video laquuan with knife .
Asking stupid questions , were his pockets different color. No puffs of smoke in video
She’s the best in ASA office , yikes
Listen to her , she makes know sense with her questions Statements about blood on ground , lighting ,
The man was in fear of being gutted by a person high on drugs with a knife
Thugs from the westside are preparing for their rampages on the Northwest side of the city.
Time to make those folks suffer as they have for decades.
it’s like being on a battle field , under attack . All soldiers have guns , grenades pointed toward sniper or building where the threat is . It takes one person , a hero to take the charge to end threat .
JVD heard radio transmissions of 👮♀️👮🏻In fear of their life , describing attacking car ,swinging knife toward them , when he exited his vehicle ,ordered knife wielding McDonald high on drugs to drop the knife , he took necessary action to stop the threat .
It could of occurred earlier but officers did not confront offender . Chose to follow him at a safe distance with guns drawn , so if guns were drawn the officers were also aware the threat was real .
The F/1 prosecutor made the defense "expert" with all the computer generated graphics look like a fool. Not a good day for the defense.
Got jobs? Hahahaha that's a good one
Nobody knows which bullet was fatal, its a guessing game
Theres no way he can be convicted of 1st degree murder, but how is the states attorney able to charge agg bat/firearm 16 times? Does prosecutor only have to prove one of the shots not justified? Can they even get official misconduct for a "rule 14" when garrity laws apply?? Its not looking good for prosecution when they start off with racism as the motiviating factor
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How does her testimony and findings help JVD? I realize why the defense had to put her on the stand. But it doesn't clear JVD of the charge of murder. All she is saying that JVD killed Laquan with one shot not 16 shots.
9/25/2018 01:20:00 AM
Yep. She's a pathologist. She is saying the other 15 shots were immaterial to the cause of death. That doesn't matter to anyone else but a pathologist. Just like if dude fires a gun unlawfully but doesn't hit anyone he is still (in other counties) charged.
Don’t know who pissed me off more today—that CLTV reporter Schneider with her wondering why McD was not just shot in the leg or foot,
Or that States Attorney broad Ross with her so very militant attitude in her questioning of witnesses. Also, somebody should let her know it’s time for a new wig.
Tell me, because I'm ignorant to police training - is there a difference between shooting to eliminate the immediate threat (what I was taught in CCL) and how POs are trained?
9/25/2018 07:46:00 AM
Unfortunately, you're not ignorant in this case. The purported "officer" does not know what he/she is talking about. Which is sad and increasingly dangerous.
She didn't impress me . She rambled on and on. Not impressed. Is that the best they could do?
9/25/2018 09:25:00 AM
As if the prosecution witnesses didn't ramble on and on. They were truly unimressive
Since JVD is charged with murder 1,dont you have to "prove" premeditation?? Where is the premeditation??? The officers responded to a assigned radio call...….
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There is no specific time frame for premeditation. The fact that he took his gun out of his holster could be considered premeditation. That is something that is solely at the discretion of the jury.
First degree murder seems like a stretch. Personally, I think 2nd degree murder is more appropriate or even some kind of manslaughter.
Even so, he could still skate. Lots of more egregious cases of police misconduct have resulted in not guilty verdicts. It is very hard to get a jury to convict a cop on much of anything that is remotely related to his official duties. There are usually at least a few authoritarians on a jury. They tend to look at the case as not much more than a cop killed someone so the dead guy must have deserved killing. The facts just do not matter any to such people. There are probably a few people on the jury who think cops can do no right too, and would tend to vote to convict him no matter what, but they tend to respond to reason and facts more than the authoritarians.
Watch the whole trial not the just the clips you see in the news. If they can prove he was a threat TO JVD not anyone else, then he is justified under law to use deadly force. The only one that can say whether he was in fear for his safety is HIM. Excessive force does not make for a murder charge.
9/25/2018 09:06:00 AM
True but the question is how he was placed in a situation to fear his safety. He was the last car on scene. If anybody had an opportunity to dictate their placement and safety it was that car. I'm surprised I didn't hear the prosecution introduce officer created jeopardy saying JVD didn't reduce the potential for unnecessary contact with McDonald. The other officers on scene are clearly buying time and waiting for a less lethal use of force option. For him to arrive on scene and make a use of force determination within 6 seconds contrary to that of officers that have been with McDonald for several minutes is JVD's big mistake.
= Lawful Use of Lethal Force determined neccessary +
Threat Meeting Lawful Use of Lethal Force neccessary persists +
Officer Deploying Lawful Use of Lethal Force perceives persisting determination of neccessity +
Officer Deploying Lawful Use of Lethal Force continues said deploying, until Deadly Threat is Nullified =
That is fucking why.
Why this factual testimony helps.
Why this testimony clears the bullshit murder charge, and all other bullshit charges.
Why your "all she is saying" is puppy shit soft.
Why the deployment of the Lawful Use of Lethal Force is not upon a "the person", it is to Nullify the Threat.
9/25/2018 10:13:00 AM
Call whatever you want soft. Pathologists rule on the matter of death. Their expertise does not cover what is considered acceptable use of force. Looks like you're ready for retirement. If not, pick up some law updates and square yourself away.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Not one reporter from Chicago’s fake news has asked any of the disrupters, why didn’t he drop the knife , why did he threaten security , truck driver ,police with a knife. Where was his Mother ,Uncle for the last few years ?
Do you think Police would shoot him if he dropped the knife , do you think it was suicide by cop ?
I do .
Where were his Family , poor kid was a throw away until they hit ghetto lottery .
9/25/2018 10:53:00 AM
Normally suicide by cop incidents involve guns and/or people undeniably engaging police not walking away. His family definitely failed him. The questions you say reporters should ask would be horrible questions to ask a protestor. This isn't an interview with an expert or someone that knows his state of mind. They are strangers who don't know anyone involved.
Anonymous said...
The F/1 prosecutor made the defense "expert" with all the computer generated graphics look like a fool. Not a good day for the defense.
9/25/2018 02:29:00 PM
You mean the guy that produced the cartoon?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
it’s like being on a battle field , under attack . All soldiers have guns , grenades pointed toward sniper or building where the threat is . It takes one person , a hero to take the charge to end threat .
JVD heard radio transmissions of 👮♀️👮🏻In fear of their life , describing attacking car ,swinging knife toward them , when he exited his vehicle ,ordered knife wielding McDonald high on drugs to drop the knife , he took necessary action to stop the threat .
It could of occurred earlier but officers did not confront offender . Chose to follow him at a safe distance with guns drawn , so if guns were drawn the officers were also aware the threat was real .
The radio transmission of the officers in fear of their lives attacking car swinging knife toward them? Evidently you are not watching the trial
One of those officers testified he was never threatened or in fear of his life and when asked also stated his partner was protected by the vehicle. I’m on JV side just relating court testimony
9/25/2018 01:23:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Thugs from the westside are preparing for their rampages on the Northwest side of the city.
Time to make those folks suffer as they have for decades.
Cut the bullshit. They’d get lost trying to find their way up here. What they are coming in a car caravan or taking the el. Now going worry about something else. If it starts it will be on the West and southaide
/25/2018 12:52:00 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
ASA is actually helping JVD. Yes , she keeps showing video laquuan with knife .
Asking stupid questions , were his pockets different color. No puffs of smoke in video
She’s the best in ASA office , yikes
9/25/2018 01:14:00 PM
She wasted the expert. He said this was an ACCURATE computer generated video of the shooting. Then she gets him to admit he left out parts that weren’t complicmentary to his recreation. Also admitted changing Ithe lighting, generating an image of McDonald appearing larger, dressed in black wearing a hoody and as far as the point of the pockets being light color it shows he altered the accurate recreating. Also admitted he sent 5 drafts. Her point was if it was a concise laser generated exact accurate recreation the first would be the only one needed. Why send 5 drafts if the the first one is accurate. She was saying to be altered and to say what the defense wanted or needed on the recreation
How does her testimony and findings help JVD? I realize why the defense had to put her on the stand. But it doesn't clear JVD of the charge of murder. All she is saying that JVD killed Laquan with one shot not 16 shots.
9/25/2018 01:20:00 AM
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She also testified that 12 of the 16 shots struck him before he hit the ground. Ive seen the video. Its hard to beleive.
9/25/2018 12:24:00 AM
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It’s never about how many times you shoot someone. It’s about why you shot the person
It was about her credibility. And she lost it all when she said he was standing when 14 shots him him. Didn’t she see the video and it took him a little over 2 seconds to drop and expert shooter where videos trying to fire those shots on video and it took 5 seconds. She couldn’t answer a question without blabbering on. She editoriazed most her answer. She was terrible
When he is finally fired you all can have a benefit for him , and keep telling the ^he was railroaded lie^. Sure hope he has plans to move very far away because he and his family will never find peace in Chicago area.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
It’s never about how many times you shoot someone. It’s about why you shot the person.
I politely disagree, as a non-PO, but as a CCL civilian with 36 years as a paramedic. McDonald was obviously a bad dude, beyond control or reason. But there simply has to be a difference between shooting a bad person who is a threat to you (Michael Brown) or others (scores of others), and shooting a bad person for being bad, when s/he isn't representing an immediate threat. And medically speaking, there's a yuuuge difference between the first shot and the 16th.
Tell me, because I'm ignorant to police training - is there a difference between shooting to eliminate the immediate threat (what I was taught in CCL) and how POs are trained?
9/25/2018 07:46:00 AM
The number of shots is irrelevant, The legal issue is; WAS THE FIRST SHOT JUSTIFIED? If it was, then the whole charge is BS. I don't know why his defense has not yet played the entire radio transmission of the original call and the subsequent response. The citizens only see the final ten seconds of a 10 minute incident. (Thanks to the MSM). Laquan was threatening numerous civilians and several other police officers prior to the arrival of JVD. He is responding to a call of officers needing assistance. His perception upon arrival at the scene is that of an "out of control" delusional armed man who could potentially harm a civilian. JVD doesn't need to be in fear of his life to justify deadly force. All he needs is the reasonable belief that if he doesn't stop Laquan, he is a threat to use harm a civilian. That is the LAW.
The state still have to show intent by VanDyke, Herbert should present that training bulletin about the gun that look like a knife.
If JVD was so scared he should have stayed in the car.
Anonymous said...
The F/1 prosecutor made the defense "expert" with all the computer generated graphics look like a fool. Not a good day for the defense.
9/25/2018 02:29:00 PM
It wasn’t a good day for the prosecution either. She is completely unlikeable, with a terribly condescending attitude and a bore to watch; much in the same comparison as Marsha Clark. It’s just not the message, it’s who’s delivering it. Terrible choice she was getting very rattled by the witness.
Innocent until proven guilty....
Reasonable doubt....
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Call whatever you want soft. Pathologists rule on the matter of death. Their expertise does not cover what is considered acceptable use of force. Looks like you're ready for retirement. If not, pick up some law updates and square yourself away.
9/25/2018 05:31:00 PM
Larry the legal eagle says that nullifying a deadly threat is not an acceptable choice.
Come at me, larry, with a blade and you, being a deadly threat, will be nullified.
And you will accept being nullified.
And you will not find the law preventing you, being a deadly threat, from being nullified.
The only thing that will prevent you, being a dead!y threat, from being nullified, is you not being a deadly threat.
Try not being a deadly threat to avoid being nullified, larry.
This works, but only with law enforcement officers and the civilized citizens and inhabitants.
This does not work with the miscreants.
......For him to arrive on scene and make a use of force determination within 6 seconds contrary to that of officers that have been with McDonald for several minutes is JVD's big mistake.
9/25/2018 05:28:00 PM
The second guessing nitwits are out in force on this post.
Having nothing to pick but nits, nits are what they pick.
SCC is sharing the nitwit nitpickers.
Much as our President draws out the dumbo democrat scum to spout and spew their assininities.
To experience the absurdities of the continuously breeding degenerates is one not familiar to most. Thus, the default presumption, by the clueless, of a similiarity between themselves and those miscreant at birth minions.
Being of good samaritan heart is one thing, being fucking stupid is another.
Not all stray dogs are either lost or grateful for your feeding them.
Some are just waiting for an idiot to offer them food and bite off your hand when opportunity is given by you, the idiot.
No good deed ever goes unpunished.
720 ILCS 5/7-5 Peace Officers Use of Force While Making Arrest
Deadly force is justified when 1) the force is necessary to prevent the arrest to be defeated by resistance or escape and
2) .......... or is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon........
Sorry I don't have the patience to type this whole thing but I believe JVD was justified in shooting under this statute. Look it up. Read it carefully. A knife is a deadly weapon. LM was obviously going to be arrested and would have been had he not been armed with the deadly weapon. I hope Herbert is going to argue this in court. JVD does not have to be in immenint fear or danger as a civilian might. JVD or any other officer does not have to put himself in front of LM in order to be justified in shooting him.
I don't think JVD made a good decision to shoot him at that point the way he did but I think he was justified under the law. All the exempts who signed off on this must have felt the same thing. Are they going to be called as defense witnesses? If not why not? The only place I've seen this mentioned is on this blog.
The big problem is the video, the 16 shots, the optics and the politics of the liberal desire to convict a police officer for murder.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
The F/1 prosecutor made the defense "expert" with all the computer generated graphics look like a fool. Not a good day for the defense.
9/25/2018 02:29:00 PM
I didn't see it that way. I thought she looked the fool asking him about the uniform colors and if it showed he was wearing a bullet proof vest. The uniforms were blue not black, but she wanted to argue about that. And as he said they sometimes don't even fill in the colors. The colors or other details she mentioned had no impact on the key points of the animation. The lines that showed their travel route were not meant to show nor did they need to show the lighting, and he indicated that portion was demonstrative. The laser video recreation is proven technology, one could hardly label it as just a cartoon. It did prove that the space between McDonald and JVD was decreasing as he was walking. I thought she was very ineffective and also unprofessional with her smart comment back to the witness in which the judge scolded her about.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
......For him to arrive on scene and make a use of force determination within 6 seconds contrary to that of officers that have been with McDonald for several minutes is JVD's big mistake.
9/25/2018 05:28:00 PM
The second guessing nitwits are out in force on this post.
Having nothing to pick but nits, nits are what they pick.
SCC is sharing the nitwit nitpickers.
Much as our President draws out the dumbo democrat scum to spout and spew their assininities.
To experience the absurdities of the continuously breeding degenerates is one not familiar to most. Thus, the default presumption, by the clueless, of a similiarity between themselves and those miscreant at birth minions.
Being of good samaritan heart is one thing, being fucking stupid is another.
Not all stray dogs are either lost or grateful for your feeding them.
Some are just waiting for an idiot to offer them food and bite off your hand when opportunity is given by you, the idiot.
No good deed ever goes unpunished.
9/25/2018 11:28:00 PM
Given how many times the video has been shown one has to expect a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking. I thought the animation recreation was good as it showed it from the prospective of JVD. McDonald was closing the gap. Should he have shot at that time or waited, well it's not surprising that everyone has an opinion and thoughts on what they might have done in that situation. People act as if a taser would have been the answer, but given he was on drugs would it have even worked? Could he have died from complications due to a couple of taser shots. He was on PCP and did have significant mental health issues. Things could have ended up much the same even after trying the taser. And sadly the first thing they did was try to make this about race. If this kid had been white this wouldn't even be on TV nor would the media have been fanning the flames all this time.
As far as the stray dog analogy, I tend to go along with Mark Twain on this one. "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." In my experience, the no good deed goes unpunished line certainly fits when we are talking about human beings.
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......In my experience, the no good deed goes unpunished line certainly fits when we are talking about human beings.
9/26/2018 09:08:00 AM
The Design of the Designer imposes so much hardship upon all created creatures.
Must we humans add additional hardships, and impose these upon each other, to the ones the Designer saw fit to Create and Impose?
Seems pretty stupid thing to choose to do.
Given how many times the video has been shown one has to expect a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking. I thought the animation recreation was good as it showed it from the prospective of JVD. McDonald was closing the gap. Should he have shot at that time or waited, well it's not surprising that everyone has an opinion and thoughts on what they might have done in that situation. People act as if a taser would have been the answer, but given he was on drugs would it have even worked? Could he have died from complications due to a couple of taser shots. He was on PCP and did have significant mental health issues. Things could have ended up much the same even after trying the taser. And sadly the first thing they did was try to make this about race. If this kid had been white this wouldn't even be on TV nor would the media have been fanning the flames all this time.
No one said a taser would have worked. What was said it could have been tried first, then deadly force used. I believe police are trained to use deadly force as a last resort which several officers did by following him. The re creation was a task the defense wanted and paid for. It was to show what they wanted it to show. How do you do an accurate re creation of a night shooting when you change the lighting. The thing that caught me funny was that this is a supposedly accurate video measured by lasers even tho it was years after when the measurements were taken. Buildings were gone which could affect the measurements. Big point was creator ducked the question of how many internal drafts, but finally admitted that he sent 5 drafts to the defense attorney. How could a draft be changed if it was an accurate and exact science. What the defense said it was wrong or it didn’t depict what they wanted? Would have been better if it was done by an independent company and the original draft was used
As stated above,
"720 ILCS 5/7-5 Peace Officers Use of Force While Making Arrest
Deadly force is justified when 1) the force is necessary to prevent the arrest to be defeated by resistance or escape and
2) .......... or is attempting to escape by use of a deadly weapon........
Sorry I don't have the patience to type this whole thing but I believe JVD was justified in shooting under this statute. Look it up. Read it carefully. A knife is a deadly weapon..."
Bingo. This retired CCSAO ASA says under Illinois case law, you may continue a justified shooting until the person is disarmed or disabled. Further case law says one is not adjudged a unjustified shooting if they fail to stop instantly when the justification ceases. The Appellate court in that case reversed a murder conviction when all the shots were within a couple seconds. Applying the statutory law cited above and the case law, clearly all shots that were fired while the person escaping arrest and had not been disabled were justified, and any shots within a second or two upon him falling also are allowed under the case law. If the shot that killed the escaping arrestee occurred within that short time span, the shooting was justified. But the medical examiner could not determine the order of when the fatal shot was fired. The best evidence of the fatal shot of a person high on PCP is when did he fall. That would be the only evidence suggesting when the fatal shot was fired at the beginning of the shooting. Any shots fired afterward were not fatal and not a cause of death. Since the prosecution has the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, in my opinion, the trier of fact must find for the defendant as a matter of law. If the jury does not acquit and the trial judge does not make a directed finding for the defendant at some point, the appellate court will if it follows their own precedents.
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