Promotions Solve Shootings?
This is a new one on us - taking cops and detectives off the streets and making them sergeants will suddenly solve crime?
- Under pressure over the department’s abysmally low rate of solving shootings, Chicago police announced plans Monday to add 50 more sergeants next year to improve its supervision of detectives investigating violent crime.
The department also said it will bring in experts from the Los Angeles Police Department and the U.S. Department of Justice to recommend how investigators here can solve more homicides and shootings.
The measures come at a time when the Chicago Tribune has been examining the challenges faced by police in solving violent crime from just one weekend in early August when at least 75 people were shot, 13 of them fatally — the most violent weekend in Chicago in years.
And we have to listen to LAPD "experts" to solve crime because 20 years under federal supervision and countless billions in expenditures has made LA a paradise to live in.
So if Special Ed is going to be promoting 50 sergeants, they're all coming from the D Unit and headed right back there to lean on the detectives to work harder? What happened to spending a year in Patrol? Or are they pulling 50 sergeants out of the Districts to ride hard on the detectives?
So if Special Ed is going to be promoting 50 sergeants, they're all coming from the D Unit and headed right back there to lean on the detectives to work harder? What happened to spending a year in Patrol? Or are they pulling 50 sergeants out of the Districts to ride hard on the detectives?
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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How about the bosses and community let the police do their jobs?? Maybe if police in this city were motivated to actually do their jobs without fear of losing everything for doing what they’re supposed to do. Maybe actually punish those dindu nuffins instead of patting their heads and telling them to stop being naughty. Look inwards you fat head
Oh boy. The RBT detectives might not be able to get away with suspending absolutly every single case after “numerous failed attempts to make contact with the victim” and will “mail a victim contact letter with the hopes of future contact by the victim to proceed with this case”. What a joke. I can’t wait for a Sgt to catch onto that pattern and make a call to a victim to follow up. It will be gold and the salty lazy RBT dics will throw a fit about how they are the detectives handling their cases blah blah blah. There are some phenomenal RBT detectives out there then there are others who do zero and still remain salty about it. Please chief staples.. implement something where a second party has to review and attempt to recontact the victim one last time before the suspension is approved. The dogs will have to have a heart attack. Don’t even get me started on their “canvasses” they do for video...
Get ready for a lot of people to retire or give up being a Detective.
I’ve got a better idea. I watch a little of The First 48 from time to time. I can’t help but notice that a lot of other departments have sergeants in the detective division that are the lead investigators. They handle just about every aspect of the investigation. Let’s conduct an experiment and send out teams of sergeants to handle a few homicides and see how they do. I’ll forecast not well as most can’t find their own ass with both hands.
As if more mediocre slip shod half-assed white shirts will improve the clearance rates
OT - CCSAO JUSTICE STRIKES AGAIN!!
December 3rd, 2018 in room 207 at the criminal courts building case # 17CR11014 was being adjudicated and heard. A 007th district Sergeant was working in an undercover capacity when the defendant pulled up next to the UCV and brandished a handgun. Furthermore, this defendant, a 58 year old radiology tech from a Chicago hospital, and FOID/CCL holder, while driving under the influence menaced the UCO by feigning to rack the gun and then tap on his (defendant's) driver window to menace and intimidate the UCO. Defendant was charged in 2017 with Aggravated UUW and DUI for the incident. The defendant gave several admissions including, "I was busy listening to rap music and out of impulse pulled the gun out and I brandished it, I flashed it like a new pair of shoes." However, the court would never hear this evidence because despite a jury trial set to begin on this day, Cook County ASAs assigned to room 207 deliberately went against the victim's wishes. The sergeant would not agree to have this defendant's case plead down to a misdemeanor. Unconcerned with the wishes of the victim sergeant, the state did just that. The defendant was plead down to two class A misdemeanors. When the sergeant requested to speak on record to oppose the agreement, he was denied and silenced. With the victim sergeant in the court room, the defendant apologized to the court but not the sergeant. Judge Byrne appearing shocked at the agreement after the ASA read into record the facts of the case, and still throughout it all, no acknowledgment was made to the victim sergeant and was clearly wished away by all court personnel, including the Cook County Sheriff who rudely and with disdain cut the sergeant off before he could finish asking his question in regards to speaking to the judge about this miscarriage of justice and having his voice heard. The victim sergeant, a 23 year veteran, was treated with disrespect and scorn. The ASAs in providing an explanation for the decision, clearly held the victim sergeant in contempt for his sincere frustration and then exasperated it when they attempted to validate their position with arguments more commonly used by the Public defender’s office. And in the end even the defendant's private counsel knew something was afoul as they could hardly mask their disbelief and yes, shame as they walked past the decorated victim sergeant, knowing that they pulled one off and got their client an early Christmas gift.
you took the test or dailed a phone why????????
SCC not telling you anything you don't know but have worked A2 VC for years and it is like working outfit murders. The only reason the murders get worked is because the victim is dead if he survives, he lies about everything from his name to where the crime scene is. With the current SA we are headed back to the roaring 20's.
You'd be better off promoting 50 telephone books.
You don’t need more supervision you need more detectives.
Detectives have larger work loads and heater cases yet make 9g less than a Sgt
How about providing decent work stations, not office equipment from the 60-70’s
How about providing new computers that don’t crash and have up to date hardware
How about providing vehicles so that detectives can go out and conduct investigations
How about providing detectives direct access to investigative data bases
How about making detectives partners do they don’t have to conduct follow ups 99 in dangerous neighborhoods
You get the expected results from the investments you provide the bureau
Who cares...
Rearranging the deck chairs.
Idiots.
Another brilliant idea out of 35th street!
SO, maybe the LAPD has some super tactic they utilize to get a witness to come forward and give a statement under ERI. Do they have the same liberal bunch of A$$&oles who dictate policy to them as we do her in CHIRAQ? Or quite possibly the Executive Research Forum can retrain all us detectives to solve every shooting and homicide in 60 minutes like they do on TV?
Get a clue Eddie, You cant force confessions out of persons of interest in any crime.]Enjoy your retirement , it will start this spring.
Does anything that this Department does make sense anymore?
Since they need so many, so quickly, will Sgt promotion payoffs be cheaper?
LAPD Detectives ? Like the great Mark Fuhrman, who , along with his partners, totally botched up the OJ Simpson Case? The LA Detectives who botched the murder of Robert Blakes wife and so many other cases throughout the decades ? And Fuhrman, The Idol of Fox News ? What a joke. Spare me please. The only real big city Detectives are Chicago and New York City.
Bringing in L.A. Detectives to show Chicago Detectives how to solve crimes is a GREAT IDEA! So, does that mean, CPD will learn how to solve crimes, within an hour, not counting commercial breaks for a word from their sponsors? Will L.A. Detectives show CPD how to properly care for hair gel, grooming and dress, so that CPD looks as Cool as L.A.Television cops? Way too many CPD Detectives still dress like they are in parochial high school, mixing striped ties with plaid shirts! I was hoping they would send in the NCIS crew, or Criminal Minds show people; they always catch the offender, and he is usually a White Guy, who confesses without an attorney from Loevy and Loevy! Oh, and L.A. can show Chicago how to pay at least $26,000,0000 for their Consent Decree following their Ramparts Scandal and of Course their Rodney King Riot which cost $700 Million in 1990's dollars. If I am not mistaken there are still at least 24 unsolved homicides related to that one incident, to this day. And most of all, inform the L.A. Detectives how to dress for winter, because "Shitcaga" is a lot colder than L.A., in more than just the weather.Stay Safe. Baby "G"
The only thing that made LA and New York a paradise to live in is Gentrification, plain and simple. The people who cause trouble can no longer afford to live where they once did.
The "Left Coast" can't manage their hometowns. They have shithole cities like LA where people shit in the street with impunity. Keep LAPD away from here. The Dave Mathews Band should have given The City enough dose of what The Left Coast has to offer.
we need federal day care in Chicago
LAPD, 20 yrs: betcha that was one of the most corrupt,
inept, buy-your-way-up, or out of trouble, ingrained blocks
of modeling shit the feds ever had to deal with.
How did it get this bad? The low shooting and Homicide clearance rate has gained national attention. Poor supervision plays a big role. The high overtime usage doesn’t match the results. The D-Unit can use new supervisors who are motivated and who will take the position seriously.
Bring back the crime lab and make more ET's
Wow, Just whats needed 50 more merit sgt's will solve all the problems. If 50 is good why not 100? Hell promote all of them then see who can steal Lt first.
How about more people at the Illinois Crime Lab? If you do not have evidence processed, crimes will not be solved. The State has to fix their slow processing rate.
Supervision, I don't need supervision I just need a little more overtime and I will solve at least 1 murder a year or maybe 2 on a good year. This year however is not looking good so lets not start the count until next year when my sergeants pay kicks in.
I know of 3 already selected for this initiative. Rough Cookie, Tough Cookie and Rough Rider. They all belong to my MC Club. Signed, Tough Rider.
Who will be riding herd on the 50 new sergeants to make sure they do their job properly??? Then we will need a new crop of merit LT's to supervise the 50 merit hack Sgt's. And on and on it goes and where it will stop in Federal court I suppose.
This is the equivalent to hanging your head against your desk.....just as effective.
something is wafting in the air and it's coming from that septic tank called city hall.
solving murders will fill up the prisons.
can't have this in the era of reform.
What is really needed is the rank of Det. Sgt. The sgt would work the cases not just
"Oversee" Detectives who work the cases. Will never happen.
How about putting 50 detectives in the detective division first? What the hell are the sergeants going to do, look at a report and say, yea no cooperation from vicitms and witnesses so suspended it? Pretty soon thee will be more sergeants than detectives, unless these sergeants are now going to get handouts themselves? Another bright idea from the brain trust at 35th.
I know how to solve more crime and close more cases-- start locking up the victims and witnesses that lie. Lying to the Feds is a year in jail minimum, and denying knowledge when your known or found to have knowledge should be a punishable offense at the State level. They start doing that and we'll start moving more x's.
Does this mean as a detective I will have to work the full tour of duty? Does this mean the ramp at overtime will be watched? Does this mean I can I go wherever I want when I want to go home when I want? Are these new sergeants going to be like the new kids on the block not knowing what they’re doing and actually make the clearance rate get even worse but how much worse could it be?
We all know detectives need to be leaned on, not many good ones left
We don't need any more Sgts in the D unit. We need detectives promoted OFF THE LIST! We need people who actually studied and know how to properly conduct an investigation. People that know the law, orders and know how to write paper. We do not need anymore merit dog asses especially in Area South. More Sgts just means more ducks for them.....
Sorry SCC you should be willing to listen to someone because the last 4 years of less then 20% clearance rates have proved that the CPD Homicide Dicks have not got a clue of how to do their jobs. Accountability begins at the top of any organization, who has been held accountable for the bad results? Still the same merit hacks in charge, and you expect different results, classic example of Stupidity. Change the leadership and hold all levels accountable for job performance. Finally STOP ANY AND ALL MERIT PROMOTIONS TO DECTECTIVE. Merit hacks are just that hacks without a clue of what it takes to get job done. Years of Promoting people for who they know rather then what they know has put the CPD in the position it is in today. Look no further then your clueless leader Fat Head Ex Johnson and his sidekick Wheezie.
I’m still wondering why all the MAIU Sgt’s were dumped and that unit had better clearance rates than the areas.
Oh thank our lucky stars! Our 161 year-old law enforcement agency will learn the U.S. and L.A. methods for solving crimes of violence. It will be a great day indeed.
I wonder about their procedures for uncooperative victims and witnesses? Verbal persuasion? Magic wand? Truth dust? And, I cannot wait to learn the secret handshake.
Bwaa ha ha ha ha!!!!!
I can’t think of a better example to the saying “the blind leading the blind” than reporters reporting and consumers reading - and believing - what they read.
I never understood why Detectives that were promoted to Sgt. have to work patrol after having years of experience in the Detective Division. They also would place newer Sgt’s in the Detective Division that were never Detectives. They should have two separate tests and promote from within each Division Detective/Patrol maybe even OCD. To take someone who has been a Detective for years and put them in patrol is helping anyone.
Here’s another good idea maybe admit closing Areas 4/5 was a bad idea and reopen them already. At least Area 4.
If you think it's bad now wait until we get the next police hating mayor.
Several issues here. Primarily, we have a unique community that totally lacks cooperation in investigations. Then we must consider the difficulty in charging cases with our Felony Review Unit. Then if you get a case charged, the offender gets and I-Bond or a low bond.And they go back into the community and repeat the offenses.
Additionally, in Area South, they let it run so low on detectives that now with a splurge of new dicks, we have no detectives left to train them. So you have dicks with 1-2 years, who still don't know the job, training new dicks. Plus, we lost about 15 of our senior dicks to the Police related shooting team. That blame for this falls on our Sup and our chief of dicks.
Another issue, can a sergeant that has never been a detective be a good and successful sergeant in the D Unit. Sure. But not many. We need sergeants that know how to conduct investigations, know how to audit cases, and know how to mentor. Instead, we often get the clouted sergeants that don't belong here.
Everybody knows why the clearance rate sucks, from the bosses to the media. The answer lays with the ACLU and with the black and brown communities. They want to sacrifice police lives to fix the unfixable, don’t risk your lives or your family finances because dude can’t be blamed.
You can take that job and stick it up your ass.
Due to the "challenges faced by police" when it comes to solving murders........
When a "community" is full of drug-dealing criminals, who stop at nothing to eliminate the competition, who are released time and time again
by a politico-legal system who has decreed that the color of your skin means you can not and SHOULD NOT be held responsible for any crimes that might be committed, when a rapist of a mentally challenged person is released on less money than a pair of shoes, or a drug dealer caught with thousands and thousands of dollars worth of drugs is released on a few hundred bucks, or a thief with 27 arrests goes out on a signature bond, what did you expect?
Those committing those 2500+ shootings and 500+ murders are the sons, brothers, uncles, fathers of the "community"....and all of their families are being enriched by the drug-dealing activities. LAPD can come here til the cows come home, it isn't going to change the mindset of the "community"......and unless and until the "community" decides that enough IS enough, things will continue as they are.
We are a drug-cartel owned city now.....which is operating with tacit approval of every politician in this city......Rahm, Foxx, Dart, Prickwinkle, and every other social justice warrior Democrat which the "community" elected.
Let me see some promoted Sgt w/8 years on the job "mentor" me or show me how to solve a homicide.
50 sergeants x $110,000 = $5,500,000 per year in supervision that won't solve many crimes.
Better off offering rewards to snitch, Christmas is coming!
I wonder how many merit pick sets. Eddie Burke made
Let’s conduct an experiment and send out teams of sergeants to handle a few homicides and see how they do. I’ll forecast not well as most can’t find their own ass with both hands.
12/04/2018 12:18:00 AM
Baaaaaa hahahahhahah
I swear everyone that goes through "Sergeant school" just gets a lobotomy. Sergeants can't even write a damn parker, how are they going to solve a murder?
1 Adam 12.......1Adam12......1Adam12 you have a 459 in progress handle code 3.
Both of these moves are some of the stupidest s#!t I've ever seen! We need more Detectives not supervisors! The only City whose Detectives can compare is NY, not LA! And it's not the same!
This is all smoke and mirrors. This is just the prelude to announcing that Area 4 will reopen. For Area 4 to reopen they need more Sgts, Lts, Cmdr, etc. They’ll cover it by saying that the recommendations of the experts is to spread out the workload and reopen the another area due to overcrowding and not enough resources. Easy way to justify sending 50 Sgts to the D-unit and not having to directly admit that closing the areas was a huge mistake. They’ll also probably say the experts said to get rid of 10 hr days at A/S. This has nothing to do with solving crimes.
Retired guy here. I left from detective division, property crimes, okay a little bit different than violent, but here is a summary of a day in the life. 7-8 jobs a day, mostly burglaries. Narrative, at an unknown time, unknown persons entered in an unknown way removing an unknown amount of propert and left in an unknown direction. Prints? Ha! A year later you get the notification, no identifiable impressions were recovered. Call victim, knows nothing, if you can contact them. Canvas? Yes did that. Nobody saw anything, ever. If, if an arrest was made Asa at felony review was usually very difficult to deal with. Felony approval usually about 20% or less. Victim would maybe show up and most times did'nt or got fed up after the umpteenth continuance. Suspended cases 9 out of 10. Best idea is to run victim for warrants and improve your arrest numbers. Todays victim, tomorrows offender. Todays victim, todays arrest.
There are some great detectives, but there is also far too many dogs, primma donnas and do nothings in the detective division. But then again it has always been that way. I would be interested to see who the 50 new sergeants are. A sergeant in the odetective division is a good job. Will they be good, smart, former detectives, who are motivators and leaders, or will the be the politically connected, or females who “earned” their stripes by having affairs with big bosses. I suspect the latter. Los Angeles is probably the most over rated big city police department in the country. Guess Eddie buys into all the Hollywood hype.
Just think if they promoted 10 more Lieutenants to watch the sergeants. The clearance rate would skyrocket.
And besides that bring in LAPD
By golly I think the brass are on to something.
p.s. was this Lewin’s idea
“Anonymous Anonymous said...
LAPD Detectives ? Like the great Mark Fuhrman, who , along with his partners, totally botched up the OJ Simpson Case? The LA Detectives who botched the murder of Robert Blakes wife and so many other cases throughout the decades ? And Fuhrman, The Idol of Fox News ? What a joke. Spare me please. The only real big city Detectives are Chicago and New York City.
12/04/2018 04:20:00 AM”
How true.
It’s a scam. You send us your guys, we eventually get a free trip to LA under the guise of work.
They all know policing isn’t that complicated. There is only so much the police can do, The Chicago culture is to say nothing. Plus when you vilify the police for the last 8 years why would anyone want to talk to the police? And indoctrination with the Burge nonsense at CPS will only make new anti police silent witnesses.
Get Sgts in the D unit who know detective work. They put in Sgts who have no clue and stamp “Approved” on Det reports that need more investigation or complete bs.
Please don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Look at SCC's second paragraph, it refers to our "department" and "US Department of Justice" as the brainchild of this nonsense.
There are many great brothers and sisters in the LAPD of all ranks as well as throughout the nation in law enforcement.
The nations 'individual members' in law enforcement are all part of our Thin Blue Line.
We all bleed the same when we lose a member in the line of duty.
The fact that the 'powers to be' in the CPD and DOJ came up with this proposal should be a reflection on them, the source, and not the individual brothers and sisters likewise in law enforcement.
It's unfair to include the law enforcement 'members' in particular (i.e. baby out with the bath water )
It makes more sense to place the blame at its source and hold them accountable (i.e. drain the swamp )
Stay Safe and God Bless all our brothers and sisters on the job.
Ol' Vet (r)
We do not need more detectives.
What we need is:
1. Detectives to start showing up to work on time.
2. Get to work immediately - not after their 3rd cup of coffee and donut.
3. Start working out on their own time - not on the clock.
4. Stop working at snails pace, etc.
5. Regardless of the outcome of court - start locking people up when appropriate
6. Stop sitting around the office - and actually get to work.
The beatings will continue until the clearance rate increases.
Great idea on bringing back experience Detectives that love to work investigations. A lot of Detectives won’t take the Sergeant spot because Patrol sucks. If you have any kind of work ethic and problem solving experiences usually your heart is in Detective bureau. Great idea so we don’t lose all that talent and bring it back. Now that being said you can’t promote the “Suspending Dicks” or go get a “Summons Dicks” you have to be the working Detective.
Area West. That is all...
Los Angeles is a lot safer than 25 years ago.
The Rodney King Black AA riots with most looter arrested being illegal aliens - that's when LA hit rock bottom.
LA even elected a White Republican mayor. Sure Rodney King was bought off with huge $ tax dollars, but things on the street changed as the city had had enough of the Bloods and Cripps and criminal anarchy.
Former NYPD chief Bratton did a great job in LA - if he wants it, we should bring Bratton here.
All the experts in the world can't make 'community' members open up and tell what they know. They'd rather shut down highways, harass innocent citizens, and most notably, vilify the police.
Somehow, with the ass backwards logic of Rahm and Mr. Wheezie, this makes perfect sense.
I feel sorry for you guys, glad to be gone.
There should be no merit promotions to Detective that's the problem!
Oh boy. The RBT detectives might not be able to get away with suspending absolutly every single case after “numerous failed attempts to make contact with the victim” and will “mail a victim contact letter with the hopes of future contact by the victim to proceed with this case”.
Oh boy is right. You have no knowledge of the reality.
There are no more ET processing of residential or garage burglaries. So no fingerprints or photos. Nothing to go. Just a constant stream of cases every day.
Chasing down victims is a waste of time. IF you caught the offenders do you think the victim would come to court when they won't even call you back?
It's not about solving cases. It about moving the box.
Here’s a problem, LA doesn’t have Kimmy Foxxxxxx running things.
You would think in time dumb ass Ed would catch on to just one thing. Wrong. He bragged about hiring an additional therapist after one of our many Officer suicides ignoring the fact that the DOJ said we were extremely understaffed in that area. So we are still way understaffed in the Officer well being area. Good job Ed.
Now Sgt’s will solve all the Det division problems and lack of clearance. Wow. I really don’t know how much more fucked up this department can get.
As a retired fed, I noticed the same attitude from the left coast. At first I thought it was just my agency. Then ISP told me they get the same treatment (they had to call sheriffs departments because CHP was only highway patrol). I like the comments about hair gel.
Manpower Again
So the sheets we posted from 017, Second Watch provoked a lot of discussion. Nine officers covering about 10 square miles, no wagon (unless 1724 is pulling double duty) and 1712 is a down car.
Armed carjacking in front of a church in 17 as the mother waits for her son to finish boy scouts. This will continue to happen unless the city gets their heads out of their ass. The criminal dirt bags are making their way into usually safe and sound neighborhoods. Why? The lack of manpower to these areas. That is the only reason. One of largesst areas in the city and 9 officers covering the area. Dam pathetic.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Oh boy. The RBT detectives might not be able to get away with suspending absolutly every single case after “numerous failed attempts to make contact with the victim” and will “mail a victim contact letter with the hopes of future contact by the victim to proceed with this case”. What a joke. I can’t wait for a Sgt to catch onto that pattern and make a call to a victim to follow up. It will be gold and the salty lazy RBT dics will throw a fit about how they are the detectives handling their cases blah blah blah. There are some phenomenal RBT detectives out there then there are others who do zero and still remain salty about it. Please chief staples.. implement something where a second party has to review and attempt to recontact the victim one last time before the suspension is approved. The dogs will have to have a heart attack. Don’t even get me started on their “canvasses” they do for video...
12/04/2018 12:13:00 AM
Oh are you talking about the elite RBT only a selected few get to go there.
Homicides: One GPR, a drive-by canvass and a Suspended Sup. Be sure to look for video during OT. Avoid the victim’s family and don’t return any phone calls.
To the anonymous dumbass at 1213am with the RBT Detective hate....
First off, each case IS already reviewed by a Sgt. Secondly, if you have no evidence, no witnesses, the incident is not caught on video and there are no miraculous "tip phone calls" like there are on every TV case, then suspend it has to be. Your message was not only full of hate, but also full of ignorance. If you really knew what you were talking about, you would realize we can't waste time on a case if there is nothing to follow-up on because the case load will get out of control. The ONLY way is to weed out the cases with no meat on the bones and work on the ones that do. I (and most of my co-workers) take pride in our investigations. I give every case the attention it deserves based on the evidence and information available. In fact, I do more than is necessary. At the end of the day there are not enough detectives to work on cases the way you think it can be done in your Shangri-La world. Stop the hate and go work in Walmart, but then you would complain about the greeters.
The only way this might help is if the L.A. cops bring a real State's Attorney along with them
Are these LA detectives going to be allowed to carry their firearms out on the street with Chicago officers?
I can just see them apologizing to the shooter after the bad guy is arrested.
Never mind about the victim being some 9 year old.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You don’t need more supervision you need more detectives.
Detectives have larger work loads and heater cases yet make 9g less than a Sgt
How about providing decent work stations, not office equipment from the 60-70’s
How about providing new computers that don’t crash and have up to date hardware
How about providing vehicles so that detectives can go out and conduct investigations
How about providing detectives direct access to investigative data bases
How about making detectives partners do they don’t have to conduct follow ups 99 in dangerous neighborhoods
You get the expected results from the investments you provide the bureau
12/04/2018 02:19:00 AM
How about getting detectives to leave their desks. As far as going out 99 in dangerous neighborhoods have the new detective Sgt go with them and supervise by taking part in the investigations
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Oh boy. The RBT detectives might not be able to get away with suspending absolutly every single case after “numerous failed attempts to make contact with the victim” and will “mail a victim contact letter with the hopes of future contact by the victim to proceed with this case”. What a joke. I can’t wait for a Sgt to catch onto that pattern and make a call to a victim to follow up. It will be gold and the salty lazy RBT dics will throw a fit about how they are the detectives handling their cases blah blah blah. There are some phenomenal RBT detectives out there then there are others who do zero and still remain salty about it. Please chief staples.. implement something where a second party has to review and attempt to recontact the victim one last time before the suspension is approved. The dogs will have to have a heart attack. Don’t even get me started on their “canvasses” they do for video.
Well said, po’’s that get merit detectives for CAPS, front office, secretary, etc and never been on the street and you wonder why nothing gets accomplished. What a shock and surprise
I know this is a complex problem, bringing in LAPD is fucked up from the get go and putting 50 more Sgt's in the D may help in the short term, if they were Detectives.
The Detective Division was destroyed in the 90's by that goof Ivan Jackoff when he became Chief of Detectives. He came in, dumped a bunch of seasoned supervisors and replaced them with Patrol Supervisors and other personnel. The new people caused the D to change its culture, which made it unbearable for the experienced Detectives and cause early retirements. This was especially noted in the Homicide Areas, where that experience was not past to the new Detective coming to Homicide units.
That my friends is where it began, and the D has never recovered, but only got worse. Just a note to the one's that thought he walk on water, look presently at the D, it all traces back to the I-Jack.
City hall and COPA run the department. The job is dead, anyone doing proactive police work should have their head examined.
Make everyone sgts I noticed the three on trial for the Van Dyke shooting non of which are supervisors who had to approve the reports also wasn't our Stupidintendent the Chief who also approved all reports what a joke
So here comes another wave of sergeants getting moved into detective positions that were never themselves detectives. Or maybe they were detectives for a year or two. Shit, some of these clowns were NEVER detectives and were NEVER real police! But they’re great ass-kissing “yes men” or politically connected. The detective division has turned into shit soup of mediocrity! It’s really too bad because there is a small batch of great detectives throughout the department, but that small percentage reflects the tiny clearance rate. The rest are full of excuses.
Just FYI - Detectives will no longer be the lead investigator on all homicides The sergeants will be the lead Investigators and will be assisted by detectives. If they don't clear the case they will go back to patrol. Be prepared for more clearances that will not be legit. More trouble to follow. If you are a sergeant - stay clear of the D-Unit.
Put those merit detectives , merit sergeants in a citywide unit to investigate all black ,gang,drug related homicides. That will improve the clearance rate for sure .
Let the test takers , real police investigate murders of innocent victims , not waste time on victim/offender drug,gang murders .
The old saying is, “All Politics Are Local.” According to our very very good source, our local politics are about to get National. We aren’t getting a pass anymore and all the sudden retirements are connected. Trump finally will be giving Sheriff Clarke a spot in the Federal Government to call out the racial and political manipulation in Chicago and its long overdue. If the compromised Black Leaders here won’t say something expect a strong and real leader to expose and articulate the nonsense. John Lausch has a complete Green Light,and Trump wants prosecutions and David Clarke doesn’t pull any punches. Get your popcorn.
This is the firs step toward blaming FETAL for the low clearance rate.
Bet on it.
Where and when is the auction for these spots? Can a civilian bid? I want a shiny new star and cap gun!
Oh boy. The RBT detectives might not be able to get away with suspending absolutly every single case after “numerous failed attempts to make contact with the victim” and will “mail a victim contact letter with the hopes of future contact by the victim to proceed with this case”. What a joke. I can’t wait for a Sgt to catch onto that pattern and make a call to a victim to follow up. It will be gold and the salty lazy RBT dics will throw a fit about how they are the detectives handling their cases blah blah blah. There are some phenomenal RBT detectives out there then there are others who do zero and still remain salty about it. Please chief staples.. implement something where a second party has to review and attempt to recontact the victim one last time before the suspension is approved. The dogs will have to have a heart attack. Don’t even get me started on their “canvasses” they do for video...
This commet has to be some P.O. working a mission team who has no clue about being a Detective and has never done any investigations. This is not your regular “Rock” arrest investigation! Two year wonder, come and work in our shoes and let’s see how you do, Cluessless Goof!!!
2018 LEADING DISTRICTS FOR MURDER (through Sunday, December 2nd)
011..65
005..56
007..50
015..44
006..42
011 leads all CPD districts in all four categories of VIOLENT crimes(*) plus Shooting Incidents. 011 is the only district in which VIOLENT crimes surpass the number of Property crimes.
(*) = Murder, Sexual Assault, Robbery and Aggravated Battery,
SOURCE: Chicago Police Department
How about how many of the current supervisors, sergeants and lieutenants in the Detective Division including 2 out of the last three Chiefs of Detectives that WERE NEVER ACTUALLY DETECTIVES,and were double and triple merit,incompetent clouted hacks?!?
It will be interesting to see what Rahm and the brass at 35th have to say when LAPD says CPD needs more Detectives with better equipment and training. I expect it'll be something along the lines of "No, no no...we only want to hear about your suggestions that 1) won't cost us any more money, or 2) will remove all responsibility for our low clearance rates from the Mayor's office and/or 35th Street."
To all those who are against the LA help guess your happy with the last four years of less than 20% clearance rate? Anything can't hurt except the 50 Shots about to bumble their way in the Detectives. How many are merit? How many have any experience leading men? How many have any detective experience? That what I thought more wasted money time and effort by the CPD. Who knows maybe the LAPD might have a better way. As Trump said to the minority community what have you got to lose.
If you all think that Chicago isn't as far left as LA you have been sleeping the last few years. Chicago Criminal justice system is hell bent on keeping criminals out of jail. You have elected Democratic politicians that told you they were going to raise taxes and reform the justice system. The city is the butt of murder capital of the US. Yet you persist in thinking that the Chicago Way is the best possible solution to city crime problems. Wake up and take a good honest look at what the city and your job has become, then tell me things are working well and you do not need any outside help. If you seriously believe that then I suggest you take your head out of your ass.
They can get Sgts from the moon and it won’t make a damn difference in any Clearence Rate.
F3ck Special Ed and his bullshit lies and excuses.
He couldn’t clear out and organize his sock drawer let alone fix a Clearence Rate.
Not every Det to make Sgt gets to go back, just the special ones and The Merry Merit Fairy Special Ed has his specials list.
There’s no application process and even if there were it would be subject to 21st Century personality trait and not past performance.
The entire Division evolved drastically and we are operating under a new world order. One that defies logic and principle.
What the Egghead Merit Command Staff could do and probably will is create a new classification “ Closed-Clear Deferred by States Atty.
Gives us the numbers and keeps States Activism Office in-line with their agenda.
Doesn’t make sense but it keeps more black and brown folks out of jail and back on the streets...to vote.
Can’t hold witnesses.
Can’t hold arrestees.
No video, no felony.
Release, release, release based on identity politics, which leads to suspension.
Why?
Why bother with the felony arrest in the first place, 1,000 misdemeanors doesn’t mean anything either.
There will never be sufficient evidence to declare a cleareance unless Cook County is reformed back to a prosecutorial rather than a political community activism organgrinding outfit it’s grown into.
This overrated clearence bullshit is being used just to smear the Police, just in time for the campaign rush.
No cooperation with the States Atty means no Clearences.
No Political leaders will ever have to claim responsibility for the out of control crime and criminal recidivism.
All of a sudden it’s a low level police problem and nothing to do with Jugghaid Special Ed’s 3 year murder fog.
Imagine what Prickwrinkle will do to this Department in 2019.
Sounds like a lame reason to make more "merits."
This is an embarrassment.
Personally have dealt with some newly promoted detectives and oh boy, beside being arrogant some of them extremely dumb, that dumb that makes me think how they have passed the test. It explaines why this city has so low solving rate.
The 12/3/18 court case outlined above is just another pay to play or in this case pay to walk away. Been going on for years in the Chicago court system. For the right amount of cash changing hands YOU will get the verdict you pay for. Since the judges don't have the merit promotion money available they have to resort to selling verdicts. Good scam.
Why ask Staples anything. She has been the Titanic captain for way to long. Really believe she has pictures and videos of someone in order to keep job. Years and years of terrible results and yet no accountability. Her Clout must be legendary.
To the 12:13 post sounds like you know exactly what your talking about. Thanks for sharing. You are one of the few detectives that cares about doing a good job. Therefore you will never raise above your current rank because the CPD does not want the best and brightest leading they want the connected leading. Good Luck.
I’ve watched the movie “LA Confidential” a few times. (I love the whole Rolo Tomassi subtext). Does that count as training credits?
Maybe we would solve more cases if the liberal left democratic leaders would allow us to do our jobs. Are they really that blind?
Promotions that continue to take from patrol.
But not sure why the hate for LAPD. Some of you keep forgetting that CPD is literally the laughing stock of law enforcement agencies.
I'm embarrassed to be with Chicago.
So are they saying that detective sergeants aren’t doing their jobs???
First replace the D Unit Supervisors with supervisors who where detectives themselves, how can you ask a sgt or Lt about detective work who has never been a detective? How come top brass get paid and promoted to bring in NY or LA all the damn time and its supposed to be a great idea? Brains?
ERI killed the clearance rates. If it’s not on ERI it never happened, including witness statements. You can have all Sgt’s investigating murders like they did at IAD with their investigations and clearance rates would still suck ass.
Oooh are they going to bring in Lieutenant Exley too?
Rolo Tamassi!!!!
Maybe LAPD can give suggestions on how to police "Rampart Style."
So if Special Ed is going to be promoting 50 sergeants, they're all coming from the D Unit and headed right back there to lean on the detectives to work harder? What happened to spending a year in Patrol? Or are they pulling 50 sergeants out of the Districts to ride hard on the detectives?
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There has to be at least a hundred merited hack sergeants that need an inside spot and more overtime cash to kick up to their sponsors, makes perfect sense...
Just as long as the seek out Sgt's with more supervisory expierence than previous detective expierence. They are being sent to supervise and being a former detective is a hindeance to getting people to actually do their jobs. Put a boot in somebody's ass!
JJ
I’m sure LAPD has gems for our Dics. Yah, That’s the problem, our detectives just to be retrained by other local departments. And really? The DOJ? What a joke. And who cares about solving the murder when the states attorneys office doesn’t press for lengthy terms. I’ve been in contact with countless convicted murderers who are 30 years old just driving around the ghetto. Because they only got sentenced to 12-16 for murder and are out in 8 years. On a homicide. Cook county doesn’t take any crimes seriously, and that includes murder.
More supervision. The D units are stretched as thin as possible and this knucklehead comes up with "more supervision" as a panacea.
For one the LAPD has a much higher rate of solving crimes and making arrests for violent crimes. For two, they do not have the violent crime rate that Chicago has. For three, they will be impressed with the political control that the snares the CPD. How many of the sergeants currently assigned to the detective division actually worked as detectives before being promoted? Clout controls things in this town. In LA, many of the detectives are sergeants, a very different system. Do not put down this idea so fast. The LA people might be a good thing for this town. But, I think many of these new sergeants will be political and will not have detective experience.
4:20 AM and "Baby G" at 4:46 AM
You may have ulterior reasons to rag on Mark Fuhrman. However, he was a great homicide detective. And that's a fact, jack.
It seems that most detectives have a hard time solving cases so why not replace the ones that can't and find some that can. More supervision is not the answer, better personnel in the detective units would help. If they can't solve the crime are they really detectives or they there for the OT. Help? from LA or New York if it is real help should be welcomed not ridiculed, obviously help is needed. A 15.3% homicide clearance rate is pathetic.
The ASAs in providing an explanation for the decision, clearly held the victim sergeant in contempt for his sincere frustration and then exasperated it when they attempted to validate their position with arguments more commonly used by the Public defender’s office. And in the end even the defendant's private counsel knew something was afoul as they could hardly mask their disbelief and yes, shame as they walked past the decorated victim sergeant, knowing that they pulled one off and got their client an early Christmas gift.
12/04/2018 12:43:00 AM
Next time Sarge just shoot this mutherf*cker and sleep good...
Why is everyone think that CPD cant learn something from another agency? Why dont we wait and see what happens. If LAPD comes in and they dont teach us anything new what have we lost? But what if they do give us something new to try? Again what have we lost?
Ummmmm.. news flash- Police Work is OVER!!! Been over for the past several years... moving on
Keep Merit promoting those who never done actual police duty and that’s what you get.
Gifting and hiding the meritees, whether Det, Sgt, Lt in the Det Div should never been allowed.
Suspending cases is another word for hostile victim-witnesses and of course a Cook Co Resistance steeped ASA always with a quick refusal.
But the fact is no matter what and holy shimoli, there’s 9 murders this month so far.
CPS trained community activist and 21st Century
police strategist StupidIntended Special Ed has more COPA Referrals and Clearances to hold claim to.
The Right Man for the Right Time™️ ain’t planning, worried or Sick’nTarred™️ much anymore, so arresting and Prosecuting to the Fullest Extent™️ to be his way out of this mess, for whatever it’s worth, is total bullshit.
Besides that, he does not do the hiring and therefore another lie and false promise.
Look for him to fit right into Corrupt Cook County Cabal after his exit in April 2019.
If sergeants are the solution then why make only 50. I say promote all po's to sergeant.
is LA sending Harry Bosch?
Dump all the ass-kissing, hack, never been a detective, sergeants, from all Detective Units and replace with sergeants that were veteran detectives. The sergeants in the D with their whole two years or less of suspending cases as a detective are no better. A good 5 years minimum of working detective experience should be a requirement!
Sounds unreasonable? Just look at that fucking pathetic clearance rate
12/04/2018 12:08:00 PM
Great idea. Especially the not wasting time on victim/offender drug gang murders. If they don't care and wont cooperate why the fuck should we give a fuck?
This is nothing but smoke and mirrors. Special Ed needs to find a way to justify a big Sargeants class to get as many merit hacks in as he can before he is sent packing.
Captain Dudley Smith: Edmund, you're a political animal. You have the eye for human weakness, but not the stomach.
Ed Exley: You're wrong, sir.
Captain Dudley Smith: Would you be willing to plant corroborative evidence on a suspect you knew to be guilty, in order to ensure an indictment?
Ed Exley: Dudley, we've been over this.
Captain Dudley Smith: Yes or no, Edmund?
Ed Exley: No!
Captain Dudley Smith: Would you be willing to beat a confession out of a suspect you knew to be guilty?
Ed Exley: No.
Captain Dudley Smith: Would you be willing to shoot a hardened criminal in the back, in order to offset the chance that some... lawyer...
Ed Exley: No.
Captain Dudley Smith: Then, for the love of God, don't be a detective. Stick to assignments where you don't have...
Ed Exley: Dudley, I know you mean well, but I don't need to do it the way you did. Or my father.
Dragnet style sgt Joe Friday.
Hopefully this means fat head Ed is about to depart for LAPD. I do now have a tie clip or finger nail cleaner depending how I’m feeling.
CPD Just keeps sinking. Who would have thought HQ was deeper than Lake Michigan. Poor kids. Good luck.
Oh for Christs sake, just put me back on my beat, that I worked and knew all my regulars and even at Caps Mtgs., the neighbors always admitted seeing me. Had my snitches, and YES did take care of them, but they gave me good information, always. When I went to tact, they gave me even better info. Had kids years later come up to me, back on the beat, in uniform and thank me for scaring them straight. Kept my own file of contact cards and it worked. I actually attended wakes for a few that were killed. Scares me now cuz there is some fuckers due to get out now.
When I worked tact, I kept my own contact card file. Came in handy.
Do LA detectives have the clothing to protect them from Chicago weather?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I know this is a complex problem, bringing in LAPD is fucked up from the get go and putting 50 more Sgt's in the D may help in the short term, if they were Detectives.
The Detective Division was destroyed in the 90's by that goof Ivan Jackoff when he became Chief of Detectives. He came in, dumped a bunch of seasoned supervisors and replaced them with Patrol Supervisors and other personnel. The new people caused the D to change its culture, which made it unbearable for the experienced Detectives and cause early retirements. This was especially noted in the Homicide Areas, where that experience was not past to the new Detective coming to Homicide units.
That my friends is where it began, and the D has never recovered, but only got worse. Just a note to the one's that thought he walk on water, look presently at the D, it all traces back to the I-Jack.
12/04/2018 10:57:00 AM
Whoever you are, your a 100% right. He basically tried to run a well oiled machine by throwing in the patrol division mentality
liken to a monkey wrench being thrown into the gears and fucking the machine up. To the suck holes that thought this fool was the second coming, fuck you. I personally know seven Hom Dick's that threw in the towel without passing their expertise to the new guys coming aboard. To be a top Hom Investigator, you need the experience of a knowledgable veteran Dick to guide you over a period of time. During the time period mentioned, all the techniques and experience was lost. So, the LAPD is coming and going to inject their West Coast Liberal Police Culture into Chicago. The problem as I see it, some nut from the CPD thinks this is a good idea.
LOL, I used to get stuck working cha special with dudes from A`rea one V/c. Always had a few arrests and I made sure they were in box 1. Talk about hooked on OT, they were good and I did use their tactics back at the district.
Why would any detective put himself out when 1-Communerty won't talk to the police they won't snitch . They are told to hate the police. Also you have a ASA and Kimisssha would burn the police sooner if they made the slightest mistake. So they are happy collecting welfare and driving around in there Buirck.
Why would any detective put himself out when 1-Communerty won't talk to the police they won't snitch . They are told to hate the police. Also you have a ASA and Kimisssha would burn the police sooner if they made the slightest mistake. So they are happy collecting welfare and driving around in there Buirck.
Don't make me laugh, Sgts really solve crime...LOL
Has anyone watched the trial?
The ASA is setting up ground work that beside the three officers that are on trial the alleged cover up went way up in the Department.
They have already connected one Sgt. And one Lt. Also how did the Federal legal defense organization get a copy of the video.
Prior to the release by city......
The defense is still asking where is the evidence that the three conspired to cover up this matter? And that the three officers have had no control in the cover up or release of the evidence. This happened at higher ranks.
But during presentation the ASA showed how all the goofy bosses talked about this shooting through emails. Even personal emails.
This proves that your Garrity rights are now useless. There is no way you have any rights as a police officer. Either on or off duty.
It further proves your cell phone and emails are useable against you.
If you all think that Chicago isn't as far left as LA you have been sleeping the last few years. Chicago Criminal justice system is hell bent on keeping criminals out of jail. You have elected Democratic politicians that told you they were going to raise taxes and reform the justice system. The city is the butt of murder capital of the US. Yet you persist in thinking that the Chicago Way is the best possible solution to city crime problems. Wake up and take a good honest look at what the city and your job has become, then tell me things are working well and you do not need any outside help. If you seriously believe that then I suggest you take your head out of your ass.
12/04/2018 01:10:00 PM
I suggest your head is in your ass. If the experts cannot change the Chicago Lefty Way, the Chicago Criminal Justice System, our democRAT politicians and the uncooperative victims and witnesses, exactly what are they to teach and we are to learn? Basic investigative techniques? Now that would be an incredible waste of money.
And, it would be a falsehood if you were told "things are working well", but outside help is not the answer. Unless the experts can burn everything to the ground and start over by exiling the likes of the democratic cabal especially Pritzker, Kwame/Madigantress, Mandoza, Bullwinkle, Crimesha and "Let Em All To I-Bond" Evans, we will still be whistling in the wind.
Anonymous said...
LAPD Detectives ? Like the great Mark Fuhrman, who , along with his partners, totally botched up the OJ Simpson Case? The LA Detectives who botched the murder of Robert Blakes wife and so many other cases throughout the decades ? And Fuhrman, The Idol of Fox News ? What a joke. Spare me please. The only real big city Detectives are Chicago and New York City.
12/04/2018 04:20:00 AM
Do you realize how big of an idiot you sound like with that last sentence you wrote? You're probably one of those goofs that still gets in heated debates about the Cubs and the Sox rivalry. Nobody gives a fuck.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Who cares...
Rearranging the deck chairs.
Idiots.
12/04/2018 02:35:00 AM
And the band played on.......
This is being orchestrated by Sean Malinowski, LAPDs finest who directs the exempts behind the Supt. Tells the Mayor all about how inept we are. Ask one of the bosses and they will tell you.
Years ago the Rand Corporation did a study on the investigative process. Free download. May be a bit dated but still has a lot of truth and good information in it. I wounder how many (if any) of exempts have read this before coming up with the more supervisor strategy.
https://www.rand.org/pubs/reports/R1776.html
One take away from this study is that the clearance rate is dependent on a good preliminary investigation.
I wouldn’t do more for a victim than what a victim is willing to do for themselves for their case....let me explain, you have a shooting victim and you know he/she is lying to you so why put forth the effort to solve a case when the victim wont assist you.
*some murders are not included but the ones that the family/friends has information that identifies the offender but chooses to “handle it themselves” you treat them the same as above.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
For one the LAPD has a much higher rate of solving crimes and making arrests for violent crimes. For two, they do not have the violent crime rate that Chicago has. For three, they will be impressed with the political control that the snares the CPD. How many of the sergeants currently assigned to the detective division actually worked as detectives before being promoted? Clout controls things in this town. In LA, many of the detectives are sergeants, a very different system. Do not put down this idea so fast. The LA people might be a good thing for this town. But, I think many of these new sergeants will be political and will not have detective experience.
12/04/2018 03:33:00
You are absolutely right. A sergeant should have worked as a detective first before becoming a supervisor in the D-Unit. Not many D-Unit supervisors can lead an investigation or give sound advice.
SCC, a small correction here: For the past few years, the truly "special" new sergeants do 9 months in Patrol before they return to their special places. Not even a year any more, you can time your watch to it.
More supervion? That’s foolish. Get rid of the do nothing supervisors that’s sitting around collecting tons of OT. Why bring in more supervisors to cover for the dead weight.
Hey Detectives, quit taking my special employment overtime. Make your own overtime. You're detectives, after all...
To : "Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why ask Staples anything. She has been the Titanic captain for way to long. Really believe she has pictures and videos of someone in order to keep job. Years and years of terrible results and yet no accountability. Her Clout must be legendary.
12/04/2018 01:22:00 PM"
Her clout the legendary Screaming Skull Peterson.
To the poster who mentioned Bratton. He was offered the Superintendent’s job a few years ago and turned it down because he didn’t want to deal with the politics here. To the poster who mentioned David Clarke, I hope that is true. Our department and political leaders need to be called out.
Doesn’t matter how good the investigation is, you can ev3n get a confession, and asa Fox and Co refuse to prosecute, lower the charges or dismiss the cases. Too many brothers and other minorities in cc jail according to duumycrat politicians. Add judges into the mix too. Chicago is f#cked.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Personally have dealt with some newly promoted detectives and oh boy, beside being arrogant some of them extremely dumb, that dumb that makes me think how they have passed the test. It explaines why this city has so low solving rate.
12/04/2018 01:15:00 PM
This guy is trolling, right?
LAPD DETECTIVE GRADES
DETECTIVE I
From a Police Officer III classification, one can also choose to promote to a Detective I position after successfully completing a competitive Detective's examination and interview. A Detective I is often assigned to a specialized division and is responsible for responding to the scenes of crimes, conducting preliminary and follow-up investigations, preparing the required investigative reports, preparing a biopsy of the report, apprehending the suspect, preparing the case for successful prosecution, and testifying in court. Detectives may supervise and/or coordinate the activities of a detail or unit engaged in investigating various crimes or activities. Examples of the assignments in this class are undercover narcotics investigators, internal affairs investigators, and traffic accident follow-up investigators. On occasion, a Detective travels to other parts of the country or overseas to extradite suspects wanted in connection with crimes committed in the City of Los Angeles. In this capacity, a Detective maintains liaison with international law enforcement agencies.
Examples of different working titles:
Court Liaison
Follow-up Crime Investigator
Narcotics Officer
DETECTIVE II
A Detective II is the next promotional step in the Detective series. It is a supervisory position and is responsible for training and overseeing the activities of Detectives I and Police Officers. Some of the specialized duties performed by a Detective II include: conduct narcotics investigations, perform surveillance, and establish and maintain contacts with informants; investigate gang related crimes; respond to and investigate scenes of crimes such as homicide, theft, robbery, auto theft, illegal sex related activities; and, crimes committed by juveniles. In addition, a Detective II may perform court liaison functions; act as a Watch Commander; provide electronic equipment expertise to conduct surveillance and polygraph examinations; investigate applicants and businesses who have applied for Police Commission permits to conduct business; investigate child abuse cases; provide expert testimony in court; and, conduct investigations of crimes committed by gangs of foreign origin.
Examples of different working titles:
Auditor
Commission Investigator
Detective Supervisor
Drug Testing Supervisor
Electronic Surveillance Officer
Field Specialized Detective
Gang Coordinator Supervisor Youth Program Supervisor
DETECTIVE III
A Detective III is responsible for serving as a leader in high profile cases of major robbery, fraud, and homicide in addition to the duties of a Detective I and II. A Detective III reviews reports prepared by his/her subordinates, informs the commanding officer of the status of the pending investigations, provides technical expertise, trains and supervises newly assigned Detectives and civilian personnel, and performs related administrative duties.
Examples of different working titles:
Detective Supervisor
Judicial Liaison Officer
Narcotics Detective
Polygraph Unit
While they are sending "Experts" from LAPD and the Executive research forum to Chicago, to Reinvent the wheel. Why not invite retired LT J.A who was a Sgt in old Area 4, for just a few periods. LOL.
Back in the day old Sgt J Andrews came to Area 4 and attempted to reinvent the whole investigative process as he believed it should be in his fantasy world. Needless to say Sgt J.A and his ways were launched after a few periods back to patrol in 011, where he screwed things up even worse.
Yeah, bring over some more inexperienced Sgts and see if the clearance rate changes any.
Crook County States Attorney kimmesha Fox is pro criminal and wont Charge per ILCS Statues.
She creates her own laws for the community.
Good luck to LAPD and the REsearch Forum, Chicago is in Crook County and Corrupt Politics run this shithole.
So they think it’s the workers aren’t doing shit! Hire more task masters!
who cares big deal I have to deal with sgt's logging me 3 times a day and I have a gps chip in my squad so stop bitching and solve a case or two. on a more important note and the only one that matters when is this new contract gonna happen so we get our retro cash. yea it's all about the 1st and 16th.
Anonymous said...
Years ago the Rand Corporation did a study on the investigative process. Free download. May be a bit dated but still has a lot of truth and good information in it. I wounder how many (if any) of exempts have read this before coming up with the more supervisor strategy.
https://www.rand.org/pubs/reports/R1776.html
One take away from this study is that the clearance rate is dependent on a good preliminary investigation.
12/04/2018 08:00:00 PM
And of course the old Chief of Detectives, HQ
and City Hall mantra of:
"Never let the truth get in the way of a good investigation."
(Overheard by one of our Subject Matter Experts Emeriti
at Old Burnside back in the 70's)
Which results in hyper-violent mouth-breathing/pocket-pissing m/fers
being sprung from prison and allowed to inflict their misery upon
upright, law abiding society.
Do it right...
If m/fer gets away this time, there'll always be a
next time... Unless Karma dictates that yesterday's
offender takes his turn as tomorrow's victim.
December 3rd, 2018 in room 207 at the criminal courts building case # 17CR11014 was being adjudicated and heard. A 007th district Sergeant was working in an undercover capacity when the defendant pulled up next to the UCV and brandished a handgun. Furthermore, this defendant, a 58 year old radiology tech from a Chicago hospital, and FOID/CCL holder, while driving under the influence menaced the UCO by feigning to rack the gun and then tap on his (defendant's) driver window to menace and intimidate the UCO. Defendant was charged in 2017 with Aggravated UUW and DUI for the incident. The defendant gave several admissions including, "I was busy listening to rap music and out of impulse pulled the gun out and I brandished it, I flashed it like a new pair of shoes." However, the court would never hear this evidence because despite a jury trial set to begin on this day, Cook County ASAs assigned to room 207 deliberately went against the victim's wishes. The sergeant would not agree to have this defendant's case plead down to a misdemeanor. Unconcerned with the wishes of the victim sergeant, the state did just that. The defendant was plead down to two class A misdemeanors. When the sergeant requested to speak on record to oppose the agreement, he was denied and silenced. With the victim sergeant in the court room, the defendant apologized to the court but not the sergeant. Judge Byrne appearing shocked at the agreement after the ASA read into record the facts of the case, and still throughout it all, no acknowledgment was made to the victim sergeant and was clearly wished away by all court personnel, including the Cook County Sheriff who rudely and with disdain cut the sergeant off before he could finish asking his question in regards to speaking to the judge about this miscarriage of justice and having his voice heard. The victim sergeant, a 23 year veteran, was treated with disrespect and scorn. The ASAs in providing an explanation for the decision, clearly held the victim sergeant in contempt for his sincere frustration and then exasperated it when they attempted to validate their position with arguments more commonly used by the Public defender’s office. And in the end even the defendant's private counsel knew something was afoul as they could hardly mask their disbelief and yes, shame as they walked past the decorated victim sergeant, knowing that they pulled one off and got their client an early Christmas gift
honestly... who cares??? Its work. Once you leave work, you go home to your family end of story. Work ends when you leave the building. Court ends when you finish your testimony. All of the other stuff is out of your control... rightfully so. What ive noticed during my career is that cops try to do everyone elses job. We enforce laws, that's it. We don't interpret them and we don't make them. We don't try them in court or rule on them in court. Make the arrest and testify when you are told. That is our job. I know nobody likes that but who really cares. We are not lawyers. We are not politicians or community activists. Make your arrest and go home. seven days later go to court for your felony. 3 months later come back for a motion and answer your questions. several months after that answer questions again and your job is done with. guilty or not guilty is not up to you or part of your job.
This commet has to be some P.O. working a mission team who has no clue about being a Detective and has never done any investigations. This is not your regular “Rock” arrest investigation! Two year wonder, come and work in our shoes and let’s see how you do, Cluessless Goof!!!
RBT. Make them swipe in AND out. Start the day, open the in box, suspend a couple without doing ANY investigation because they don't seem clearable on their face or seem like it might be a "cluster" then move on to coffee. Then grab a car to "hit the streets" aka hiding from the sgt. So you go out and run your errands, eat lunch, stop home, work out then back to the district to look at your inbox one last time and then get on the road home before rush hour a couple hours early. Its not once in a while its every day. The detectives better believe that the caps officers who most share offices with see it everyday. Its so out in the open and bragged about infront of other officers. It would be a shame if some of those caps officers haven't been documenting in and out times.. especially for the past couple months. its funny is all. Just imagine if someone did that.. It could be bad for the RBT detectives.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Manpower Again
So the sheets we posted from 017, Second Watch provoked a lot of discussion. Nine officers covering about 10 square miles, no wagon (unless 1724 is pulling double duty) and 1712 is a down car.
Armed carjacking in front of a church in 17 as the mother waits for her son to finish boy scouts. This will continue to happen unless the city gets their heads out of their ass. The criminal dirt bags are making their way into usually safe and sound neighborhoods. Why? The lack of manpower to these areas. That is the only reason. One of largesst areas in the city and 9 officers covering the area. Dam pathetic.
12/04/2018 10:26:00 AM
The Wagon was the only car to respond. Not good. The wagon isn’t built for speed
Why would LAPD want to come to Chicago even if FatEd got this put in place?
They’d have to be NUTS!
🥜
Retired, 30+
Hey I have an idea, fly us out to LA for a 30-60-90 day detail...have us ride with LA Dets...pay for our hotels then we can come back here and apply what we have learned! (Hollywood Swinging) Probably will save money on an EXPERT LOL
Its the victims and witnesses why clearance rate is so low. No cooperation with the Dets. Out of the 50 being moved to the DD you might get 10 who know what day it is the others will be clouted up and think its a gimmie spot. Forget it let em role. Will accomplish nothing but OT.Yellow slips for everyone.
How much are they paying Sean makinowski for this project? Any lapd out there reading this?
Captain Dudley Smith: Edmund, you're a political animal. You have the eye for human weakness, but not the stomach.
Ed Exley: You're wrong, sir.
Captain Dudley Smith: Would you be willing to plant corroborative evidence on a suspect you knew to be guilty, in order to ensure an indictment?
Ed Exley: Dudley, we've been over this.
Captain Dudley Smith: Yes or no, Edmund?
Ed Exley: No!
Captain Dudley Smith: Would you be willing to beat a confession out of a suspect you knew to be guilty?
Ed Exley: No.
Captain Dudley Smith: Would you be willing to shoot a hardened criminal in the back, in order to offset the chance that some... lawyer...
Ed Exley: No.
Captain Dudley Smith: Then, for the love of God, don't be a detective. Stick to assignments where you don't have...
Ed Exley: Dudley, I know you mean well, but I don't need to do it the way you did. Or my father.
12/04/2018 05:52:00 PM
*****
Wow.... how cool.
The admission of E-mails in the trial of the 3 could be setting up supervisors up the ladder for prosecution.
Paul Vallas Responds to Chicago Police Department's Plan to Improve Homicide Clearance Rates on his website and fb page. He's right, but he fails to speak about Foxx failing to charge offenders. Perhaps he is afraid to speak out about her making her own rules and not following the law.
Why is Los Angeles PD coming to help you guys??? There are thousands of cold case homicides in Los Angeles from the 80's, 90's and 2000's that have clues that could be followed and nobody is working these old cases. I have always wondered why nobody ever brings this up. Retired LAPD Homicide Detective/Sgt. who's' family members were CPD. (Grandfather, Father, Uncle,Cousin and Cousins wife).
I'm a retired LAPD Homicide Det/Sgt who did 31 years and have no idea what LAPD can do to help you guys. What I do know, is there's thousands of unsolved homicides in Los Angeles from the 80's, 90's and 2000's. A whole bunch of these cases have clues that could be followed but nobodies working these cases. The Blue books (murder books) fill filing cabinets in every division in the city. Maybe we (LAPD) should fix our own house first. Never could understand why no one ever brings this up. Just say'n……….My Grandfather (Sgt.) My Dad (Lt.) My Uncle (Sgt.) My cousin (Det) and another cousins wife (Sgt.) all CPD. Stay Frosty boy's and girls
"Anonymous said...
LAPD Detectives ? Like the great Mark Fuhrman, who , along with his partners, totally botched up the OJ Simpson Case? The LA Detectives who botched the murder of Robert Blakes wife and so many other cases throughout the decades ? And Fuhrman, The Idol of Fox News ? What a joke. Spare me please. The only real big city Detectives are Chicago and New York City.
12/04/2018 04:20:00 AM"
You truly are a naive, misinformed dolt. Nobody on LAPD "botched" anything. You, along with the mentally challenged O.J. jury, chose to believe a made-up, bullshit story told by O.J's very, very good attorney. Read Vincent Bugliosi's (who was one of the greatest prosecutors in America)book Outrage on the trial. He destroys your narrative.
Bring back Joe Moseley.....ahhhh....nevermind, he no longer has any tactical vests that fit😃
Let’s see why is the clearance rate so low:
Our Crime Lab/ET’s are a joke. Not necessarily the personnel but their methods and equipment. Evidence and science are going to solve cases these days. It would be nice to actually collect and process evidence correctly and efficiently.
VIDEO! It’s everywhere. I don’t know how many times I as a Detective was standing in a back room of a gas station ghetto store etc attempting to download video onto a flash drive. How about we come up with a A/V Unit with PO’s or Detectives that actually know what they are doing and have the proper equipment to retrieve video copy it and inventory it. They should be dispatched to every murder
and police shooting at the very least.
Files. Let’s keep some real files. We need storage and a dedicated team of Detectives to create, store and retrieve on-going files in a timely manner. Our system has been and continues to be a joke.
Time to acutally investigate. You get a murder one day with no apparent witnesses and try to do a canvass talk to people with little or no results as everyone is on the street watching your every move. We need time to go back and talk to people the next day or two. But we can’t because we get a fresh murder within a day or two and the last one goes on ice.
Witnesses. Can’t hold them I get that. With body cameras these days we need preliminary investigators to attempt to get identifiers and what they saw on tape before allowing them to leave. Some VC Detectives come a long way to scenes these days and the witnesses are gone upon their arrival. We need identifiers to track them down at a later time to re-interview.
Community Trust!!! Ah yeah never going to happen in most neighborhoods. We’re the bad guys. We take their baby’s daddy to jail. Or haul off their kids to jail all for no reason and they blame the police for everything that’s wrong in their lives. No accountability. I’ve treated people 99% of the time with respect I a surley don’t get respect back. It’s a one way street.
We do not need more detectives.
What we need is:
1. Detectives to start showing up to work on time.
2. Get to work immediately - not after their 3rd cup of coffee and donut.
3. Start working out on their own time - not on the clock.
4. Stop working at snails pace, etc.
5. Regardless of the outcome of court - start locking people up when appropriate
6. Stop sitting around the office - and actually get to work.
Stop with your crazy talk. You must be either a po who can’t pass the test or doesn’t have any juice for a merit promotion or a merit Sgt in the DD that can’t motivate his/her Detectives.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Paul Vallas Responds to Chicago Police Department's Plan to Improve Homicide Clearance Rates on his website and fb page. He's right, but he fails to speak about Foxx failing to charge offenders. Perhaps he is afraid to speak out about her making her own rules and not following the law.
12/05/2018 05:21:00 AM
HE is the only pro-police candidate running,look at the rest not 1 fit to lead!
All I read into this is...50 more clouted/connected Sgt's are being assigned to the "D" units. Since No Sgt. has ever "bid" into a "D" unit, I see 50 more favors being doled out. Since there is no "bid" process to get to a "D" unit, the process has always been through phone calls and "hand picked" selections.
I grant you that I have the privilege of working for some great supervisors who made it through this process somehow. But in this rash of promotions, I only predict higher scrutiny of suspended cases, that should be suspended. the truth is, that only some cases should be investigated since detectives don't have the time to "look" into every case. Some are unsolvable and should be suspended immediately. Many are not prosecutable. Many are cases where the victim cant be reached. Many more hinge on an unlikely confession from an offender. 50 more detective supervisors will only increase the scrutiny level to an unreasonable degree, and to justify their existence in a "D" unit, they will focus in on suspended cases.
Well at least the dicks here can teach the "la confidential" boyz what a real slice of pizza and a beef sammich are supposed to taste like.
Anonymous said...
Retired guy here. I left from detective division, property crimes, okay a little bit different than violent, but here is a summary of a day in the life. 7-8 jobs a day, mostly burglaries. Narrative, at an unknown time, unknown persons entered in an unknown way removing an unknown amount of propert and left in an unknown direction. Prints? Ha! A year later you get the notification, no identifiable impressions were recovered. Call victim, knows nothing, if you can contact them. Canvas? Yes did that. Nobody saw anything, ever. If, if an arrest was made Asa at felony review was usually very difficult to deal with. Felony approval usually about 20% or less. Victim would maybe show up and most times did'nt or got fed up after the umpteenth continuance. Suspended cases 9 out of 10. Best idea is to run victim for warrants and improve your arrest numbers. Todays victim, tomorrows offender. Todays victim, todays arrest.
12/04/2018 08:49:00 AM
Damn, you Sir, are the first retired detective from property crimes I've ever met, all hundreds of other retired detectives I've talked to or met on vacation worked in homicide/vc, and all worked in Englewood. You must have been pretty busy working alone, I salute you!!
Anonymous said...
Hey Detectives, quit taking my special employment overtime. Make your own overtime. You're detectives, after all...
12/04/2018 08:29:00 PM
Hey PPO, it is not your special employment overtime. It is assigned by Seniority, and has been so for many years prior to you getting hired. Are you going to whine next that I am taking " your movie detail" from you? You can make overtime if you lock up a juvenile for the mighty crime of "Reckless Conduct" for running away from you. Or, lockup a kid for Possession of Cannabis with intent to deliver, and he only has 1 bag on him.
Go back in your parents basement and play with your XBOX.
9165
A lot of these sergeants don't supervise in the districts. What makes anybody think they'll supervise in the areas?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I know this is a complex problem, bringing in LAPD is fucked up from the get go and putting 50 more Sgt's in the D may help in the short term, if they were Detectives.
The Detective Division was destroyed in the 90's by that goof Ivan Jackoff when he became Chief of Detectives. He came in, dumped a bunch of seasoned supervisors and replaced them with Patrol Supervisors and other personnel. The new people caused the D to change its culture, which made it unbearable for the experienced Detectives and cause early retirements. This was especially noted in the Homicide Areas, where that experience was not past to the new Detective coming to Homicide units.
That my friends is where it began, and the D has never recovered, but only got worse. Just a note to the one's that thought he walk on water, look presently at the D, it all traces back to the I-Jack.
12/04/2018 10:57:00 AM
That's right, it was the beginning of the end of the Detective Division period.
Let’s say we work up to have a 95% clearance rate. Now what. What do you do with more offenders/arrests? Take them home with you. And what if the higher clearance rates start showing more people of color being arrested. Now what? Are we being racist AGAIN. What’s the expression “carefull what you wish for” because it might bite you in the butt.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Paul Vallas Responds to Chicago Police Department's Plan to Improve Homicide Clearance Rates on his website and fb page. He's right, but he fails to speak about Foxx failing to charge offenders. Perhaps he is afraid to speak out about her making her own rules and not following the law.
12/05/2018 05:21:00 AM
He could talk about it, but bottom line he can’t do anything, even if he’s elected mayor. It’s a county office , she has been elected and Preckwinkle is her boss
Memo to all bashing Fuhrman -
This case alone set police investigations back hundreds of years. Besides the TV shown grandstanding of all involved, it became a trial
of race-baiting. It was no longer about the double homicide OJ committed, it became a trial of saying a BAD word.....
Fuhrman used too many "bad words" when speaking to that writer woman (probably trying to impress her to get her in the sack).....
The investigation of OJ was nearly flawless.....and those 4 detectives did a damn good job trying to bring him to justice......
And unfortunately, that's where we are today......stone-walled by a community that hates the police, who believe that the police are racist, misogynistic pigs, because the DEMS and the MSM have made us so.
It has never been that the police need "reforming"......it is the community that needs to.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
To : "Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why ask Staples anything. She has been the Titanic captain for way to long. Really believe she has pictures and videos of someone in order to keep job. Years and years of terrible results and yet no accountability. Her Clout must be legendary.
12/04/2018 01:22:00 PM"
Her clout the legendary Screaming Skull Peterson.
He’s gone and has been for a while. She has someone else. Clout isn’t a lifetime appointment
honestly... who cares??? Its work. Once you leave work, you go home to your family end of story. Work ends when you leave the building. Court ends when you finish your testimony. All of the other stuff is out of your control... rightfully so. What ive noticed during my career is that cops try to do everyone elses job. We enforce laws, that's it. We don't interpret them and we don't make them. We don't try them in court or rule on them in court. Make the arrest and testify when you are told. That is our job. I know nobody likes that but who really cares. We are not lawyers. We are not politicians or community activists. Make your arrest and go home. seven days later go to court for your felony. 3 months later come back for a motion and answer your questions. several months after that answer questions again and your job is done with. guilty or not guilty is not up to you or part of your job.
12/04/2018 10:47:00 PM
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Poster- Great minds think alike. I have thought this way for a LONG time. This is exactly how to get through the day. We have one job - I've told bad guys that too. My job is to get you a date with a judge, nothing more, nothing less.
years ago , you would see a sergeant , Lieutenant from Homicide /sex on the scene of a heater case , today not so much
you rarely see a patrol division sergeant
What Chicago needs from LA is a Police Chief like Daryl Gates and clean up our streets
LMAO So glad I decided not to test for this position. So glad
RBT. Make them swipe in AND out. Start the day, open the in box, suspend a couple without doing ANY investigation because they don't seem clearable on their face or seem like it might be a "cluster" then move on to coffee. Then grab a car to "hit the streets" aka hiding from the sgt. So you go out and run your errands, eat lunch, stop home, work out then back to the district to look at your inbox one last time and then get on the road home before rush hour a couple hours early. Its not once in a while its every day. The detectives better believe that the caps officers who most share offices with see it everyday. Its so out in the open and bragged about infront of other officers. It would be a shame if some of those caps officers haven't been documenting in and out times.. especially for the past couple months. its funny is all. Just imagine if someone did that.. It could be bad for the RBT detectives.
Yet another example of a LOWERED STANDARD HIRE....CAPS office? what a waste of manpower...you are lucky to even be in CAPS....friends with someone in the commanders office or something else? Yeah you went to CAPS because you have an expertise? Give me a break.....someone can tell you they are going to the moon, how do you know where that person went? How about Mind your damn business, or pass a damn test...bunch of winers on this job now...
actually they should bring in the retired policxe chief of the phoenix,az
mike harris
Anonymous said...
LMAO So glad I decided not to test for this position. So glad
12/05/2018 01:21:00 P
you are fooling yourself. You could have made a difference if you wanted to and this is a poor excuse for not trying to improve yourself.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
RBT. Make them swipe in AND out. Start the day, open the in box, suspend a couple without doing ANY investigation because they don't seem clearable on their face or seem like it might be a "cluster" then move on to coffee. Then grab a car to "hit the streets" aka hiding from the sgt. So you go out and run your errands, eat lunch, stop home, work out then back to the district to look at your inbox one last time and then get on the road home before rush hour a couple hours early. Its not once in a while its every day. The detectives better believe that the caps officers who most share offices with see it everyday. Its so out in the open and bragged about infront of other officers. It would be a shame if some of those caps officers haven't been documenting in and out times.. especially for the past couple months. its funny is all. Just imagine if someone did that.. It could be bad for the RBT detectives.
Yet another example of a LOWERED STANDARD HIRE....CAPS office? what a waste of manpower...you are lucky to even be in CAPS....friends with someone in the commanders office or something else? Yeah you went to CAPS because you have an expertise? Give me a break.....someone can tell you they are going to the moon, how do you know where that person went? How about Mind your damn business, or pass a damn test...bunch of winers on this job now...
... and you really think that CAPS officers are going to beef about other officers start time? Do you really think that CAPS officers are going to shine light on themselves? Thupid!
I’m still waiting on the LAPD to solve the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson, Ron Goldman, Elizabeth Smart, Notoriuos Big, Black Dahlia and many others...
There is one guy, ONE GUY that knows how to run and investigation, motivate even a seasoned detective in AS. One guy. needs lots of clout to get anywhere near his day off group or team. You want to learn? Find him. %0 more the rest of them, never dicks, never the police, paper pushers....well good luck
Off topic, but curious minds need to know! Is the toilet Governor going to keep Leo with the State Police, or will Leo come back to CPD, to be the hero that straightens the department out?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
We don't need any more Sgts in the D unit. We need detectives promoted OFF THE LIST! We need people who actually studied and know how to properly conduct an investigation. People that know the law, orders and know how to write paper. We do not need anymore merit dog asses especially in Area South. More Sgts just means more ducks for them.....
12/04/2018 07:08:00 AM
Studying the GO don’t help u clear cases. It’s hard work and knowing how to talk to people which gets cases closed. Give me a good copper over a good test taker any day and I don’t care if they are merit or off the fake list
I’m still waiting on the LAPD to solve the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson, Ron Goldman, Elizabeth Smart, Notoriuos Big, Black Dahlia and many others...
12/05/2018 07:34:00 PM
Elizabeth Smart was not murdered. She was kidnapped in the Federal Heights neighborhood of Salt Lake City, Utah and held captive for 9 months. And, Federal Heights, Salt Lake City, Utah is not a neighborhood in Los Angeles, at least, not yet.
Regarding the Simpson case:
Fuhrman: forgot that most times a defense attorney asks a question, he already knows the answer.
Van Atter(sp): brings evidence (I believe it was blood from the scene) home with him to inventory another time. Not too bright.
Judge Ito: a complete incompetent who let the defense rule his courtroom. Allows a defense witness to testify during the prosecution's case, etc.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
To : "Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why ask Staples anything. She has been the Titanic captain for way to long. Really believe she has pictures and videos of someone in order to keep job. Years and years of terrible results and yet no accountability. Her Clout must be legendary.
12/04/2018 01:22:00 PM"
Her clout the legendary Screaming Skull Peterson.
He’s gone and has been for a while. She has someone else. Clout isn’t a lifetime appointment
12/05/2018 11:50:00 AM
Kidney Bean and Tiny Dancer
There is one guy, ONE GUY that knows how to run and investigation, motivate even a seasoned detective in AS. One guy. needs lots of clout to get anywhere near his day off group or team. You want to learn? Find him. %0 more the rest of them, never dicks, never the police, paper pushers....well good luck
Now pass the whiskey!!!
C'on , Sgts don't solve crimes...don't make me laugh...LMAO
Let’s say we work up to have a 95% clearance rate. Now what. What do you do with more offenders/arrests? Take them home with you. And what if the higher clearance rates start showing more people of color being arrested. Now what? Are we being racist AGAIN. What’s the expression “carefull what you wish for” because it might bite you in the butt.
12/05/2018 11:01:00 AM
Exactly. It is a never-ending, lefty-liberal cycle engineered to fit their agenda via the continued manipulation of the masses. Bullwinkle is a prime example. She wants no arrests of black offenders and no enforcement of law in the black community. Bullwinkle said their is a special place in hell for Ronald Reagan because of his war on drugs. No, Toni. The special place in hell is for you. And, saying such a thing shows that you are a racist. Do not vote for Toni. Vote for anybody, but Toni.
Off topic, but curious minds need to know! Is the toilet Governor going to keep Leo with the State Police, or will Leo come back to CPD, to be the hero that straightens the department out?
12/05/2018 09:27:00 PM
Leo was already here and did nothing to straighten out the department. He left. Your great white hope is gone and isn't coming back. If it's offered to him, and he somehow makes the horrible decision to come back, he won't fix a thing. The department is doomed and no one can save it. Putting a white male in charge, even if he's the former hero of shithole Englewood, won't sit well with the "community."
I’m still waiting on the LAPD to solve the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson, Ron Goldman, Elizabeth Smart, Notoriuos Big, Black Dahlia and many others...
12/05/2018 07:34:00 PM
OJ killed Nicole and Ron. There's nothing to solve there. Anyone who is waiting for someone to find "the real killer" is a complete moron. The LAPD, the prosecution, and the judge fucked up that case, but the murderer was caught and charged. Tupac and biggie died because they couldn't leave the ghetto mentality behind after becoming millionaires. Just like every gang on gang murder, who really gives a shit if it's solved?
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