Tuesday, January 01, 2019

Libtarded Thinking

This always amazes us:
  • This morning while at Children Lurie Hospital with my daughter who is 4 years old and recovering from a bursted appendix, a close friend of mine who is a P.O. came to visit us and was in full CPD uniform and on duty was denied to visit unless he checked in his weapon. Hospital security asked him if he was on official business such as a call and he informed them no and explain his visit and he was asked again to check in his weapon. This is a hospital that does not have armed guards nor a hospital that searches visitors etc. I am beyond pissed right now.
First up, the hospital doesn't even have armed security. Nor metal detectors. They are essentially the softest of "soft targets." A madman could run loose for minutes without a single person being able to effectively counter a rampage. 

Having a cop around for a quick visit is like free armed security. He or she has a radio and hopefully, the wherewithal to step in if someone intent on mayhem enters. In fact, as recent history shows, someone shooting inside a hospital provokes an immediate and massive police response, something the hospital administration and "security" seems to have forgotten in the wake of Officer Jimenez's sacrifice.

Patients and staff aren't in any danger from the police and are in fact, safer, so policies like this are pretty much a slap at everything we do.

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180 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...



Just should have told him to FUCK OFF. Then go see your friend's baby.

1/01/2019 12:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck them and their assinine policy. Go on up and visit anyway. Who they going to call on you the fucking police? Bunch of libtards. Shove your policy up your ass. In uniform and on duty? Disarm for NO ONE!
How quickly some tards forget what can happen at a hospital with no armed security. Dipshits!

1/01/2019 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

christ did the same to me years ago I was in uniform without my gun

1/01/2019 12:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this is simply outrageous. the immense brain power that operates that hospital, and yes im serious, and they think a gun free zone sign and disarming the police are going to keep patients and staff safe? i am beyond words. liberalism is truly a mental disorder!

1/01/2019 12:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just.

Say.

No.

1/01/2019 12:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seriously, after what happened at Mercy?

1/01/2019 12:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2 years ago we had our daughter here. I’m a PO and my bro in law is on the job as well. Like normally I was carrying concealed(I was off duty). However my brother in law came on duty in uniform to visit.. The unarmed security told him to please leave his weapon in his car since he was not at the hospital on a call or “official duty” . He hid his weapon and still came in. Now keep in mind I walked in there with a gun and no one else was aware. I’d imagine other shit heads do that as well......but the uniform cop can’t. I believe northern western PD has 1 uniform cop on the streets surrounding the hospital.

1/01/2019 12:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It’s a licensed premise in the city. They can’t deny you access if you are on duty. Know the law next time and walk right by them.

1/01/2019 12:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A few years back at Highland Park hospital they had a shooting in the emergency room again no armed security. Highland Park P.D. Had to respond and take out the armed offender.

1/01/2019 12:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope he did not give them this weapon while on duty.

1/01/2019 12:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ridiculous!

1/01/2019 12:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Never understood how anyone has the right to restrict my constitutional right. People that were present at Mercy hospital during that fiasco should sue the Mercy order for allowing that to happen while restricting law abiding citizens their legal right. I thought cops had the responsibility to take action, even if off duty. How can society expect that from a copper while restricting his using the tools to do so.

1/01/2019 12:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Take a lot at their wannabe po po lice security force. I bet every one has an IR Number. Next ask the Doctors about thefts to cars and personal property in secure keyed areas.

1/01/2019 12:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And they actually have gun lockers???

1/01/2019 12:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, but the libs FEEL GOOD and that's all that matters.

1/01/2019 12:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although that's bs if this cop wasnt smart enough to fool a minimum wage security guard by saying he was there for a cal or simply just walk past and let them call oh wait more police to stop him. Shame on him for giving in.

1/01/2019 12:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That happened to me at NWH..I had the ok from my Watch Commander(Captain)to visit my Mom while on duty..I told them to try and stop me..I spent a hour with my Mom.. Geez,they disappeared after my partner came in and went up to room with me..That was 15-16 years ago..Security at NWH have always been Jagoffs..

1/01/2019 12:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When I had to go to a hospital for an investigation I refused to check my weapon, I told them to either let me in, bring the “victim” to me into another room or I left and the interview didn’t happen. I didn’t care if it was a psych ward I did not meet with anyone unarmed, imagine one of those nuts going off and usually they are strong like bull and the only thing you have is your hands with skin on it.

1/01/2019 12:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They tried the same thing to me at rush hospital.
I refused so they just informed every check point I was coming and what room I was going too!
I felt like my privacy was intruded upon but I figured why get mad at the guards, it’s their policy makers in the back rooms that come up with this nonsense.
They let me in to see my friend but it felt uncomfortable.

1/01/2019 01:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Advocate is the same, unarmed security at most of their hospitals... and a non police trained director of security..

1/01/2019 01:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There’s a bunch of places you can’t carry unless in a “police capacity”. Schools, post offices and even ranger stations in national parks. All of us carry anyway. this is nonsense though. Imagine a police officer in uniform with an empty holster. Dumb. Especially in the wake of the mercy hospital shooting when an armed Chicago police officer sacrificed his life. Stay safe.

1/01/2019 01:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And I'd tell them to go f*** themselves and call the police if there is a problem and keep on walking.

1/01/2019 01:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Always be ready to think on your feet...
When asked that question the answer is yes/ and then stop talking and walk to your location... you don’t need to discuss the nature of your business... you surly don’t have to explain to some bustout ghetto gun-less security what you’re doing.

This new generation of PO snowflake has lost the craft of bullshit- thank you smartphone...

1/01/2019 01:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On the opposite end of the spectrum I was with my partner at Luteran General Hospital visiting
My Sgt who just had hip surgery and we walked all over the hospital with guns showing (no vests) and not one person questioned us as to why we were there. We even asked a few janitors how to get to his room and they directed us but never asked who we were. Not sure which is worse.

1/01/2019 01:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dont forget to stop for coffee on the way to a Lurie call. Gotta be alert!

1/01/2019 01:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am blessed to know this police officer and his family. Not only is he a dedicated cop who helps keep our neighborhood safe when he’s not working, he is an outstanding father to his two darling children. With the exception of when she was in surgery, he has not left his daughter’s side since early Friday morning.

I placed a call to the CEO’s office and left a message that the rule puts patients and their families and employees all in unnecessary danger in case of an active shooter incident like Mercy. I haven’t heard back.

1/01/2019 01:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bullshit! Please check your gun in at library desk. Thank you.

1/01/2019 01:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember the Ghostbusters Principle: "If someone asks you if you're a G-d, you say YES!"

If some dumbass asks you if you're on Official Business, the answer is.... YES!

If they ask what it is, ask them if they're cleared to know it. If they say "yes", ask them by whom, ask them what the clearance level was, and so on down the rabbit hole. Baffle them with bullshit and then walk away.

If they say "Can I help you?" the answer is "No, I'm good" and keep walking like you belong there. People are reticent to stop anyone who looks like they know what they're doing because they don't want to get in trouble...

If someone asks you who authorized you - Tell them "Bob", "Jim", "Joe"... virtually every place has one of those working there.

If they have a problem with any of that, they can call the Police and report that the Cops are on-site... Nothing will happen because it's not worth dealing with, and there's probably 100 other calls pending before that one...

In short, don't waste your time with these people. Tell them what they need to hear and they'll move on. In the meantime, walk away after saying you're on "Official Business".

1/01/2019 01:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Um....no, they are violating Illinois state law. Oh wait laws don’t exist anymore. I would never check my gun on duty.

1/01/2019 01:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The libtards think the only thing worse than a cop with a gun is a white cop with a gun.

The city would be a safer place if only we had laws against:

Shooting
Stabbing
Raping
Assaulting

1/01/2019 01:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Doctors kill more people than the police ever will. But the police can't be armed in their house of murder. I hope this officer didn't check his weapon while on duty. I also hope the person or people responsible for this idiotic policy need the police someday, and the police get there too late to help. All those years of schooling only to fail at using common sense.

1/01/2019 01:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Exactly why I won’t attend a major sporting event anymore.

Columbine in progress in Section 4 of the bleachers? Have Andy Frain handle it.

1/01/2019 01:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You could thank that idiot ex- governor Quinn and his fellow dummy crates for slowing the no carry signs in Illinois. Signs don’t stop criminals jail and guns stop criminals. That’s why we call them criminals because the violate laws, all laws they don’t care.

1/01/2019 01:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As if the Mercy Hospital situation didn’t develop in under 2 minutes?! Rip Officer Jimenez

1/01/2019 02:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It’s only going to get worse! Keep voting DemocRATS!

1/01/2019 02:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Surely there is a rule about surrendering your duty weapon while on duty.

What if there had been a emergency that the officer had to go to.... I'll be there in 5 minutes I have to get my gun back from the coat check people....

1/01/2019 02:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow! What idiots.

1/01/2019 02:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apparently it's more important to feel safe than be safe.
Brilliant.

1/01/2019 02:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It happened to me about 10-12 yrs ago, there. I worked in 019, and old Children’s was on the 018 side. My kid was in the ER there and I was on duty. They told me I had to check my gun in, because it scares the kids. I told them no, and I tucked it in my waistband., under my vest. That was several years ago. I’m not sure what their policy is now, in this screwed up world we live in, if they’d allow you to just tuck it in your waistband or if they’d make a bigger stink about it. It’s not new though.

1/01/2019 03:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to the Lurie Children's Hospital website they seem to have a rigorous visitor policy. The visitor must have a State ID, DL or a passport. And they will use that ID to check against public registries for protection of the child. They can take your photo and you wear a photo ID while in the hospital. The visitor must be on an approved list to to visit the child. Visitors are subject to background checks and subject to to a wellness screen by a concierge before visiting the child. I don't know of any other hospital that goes to that extent. At most hospitals you can walk in off the street walk around the hospital without being stopped. It's good they are that diligent in their screening because young children are vulnerable when away from their parents. As to being armed and in uniform, the times have changed where you could go anywhere. And why, because there have been incidents with police officers while on duty whether an accident, domestic etc. The hospital does not want to be liable for admitting someone with a gun. This is happening in various degrees all around the country. Don't take it as an affront. Call the administrator of the hospital and ask them about this policy and why they don't have armed security. Maybe your friend could visit after work.

1/01/2019 03:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On duty and in uniform, simple do not go in or do not comply with this nonsense. Let them beef its going nowhere. If you are walking around a hospital in full uniform with no firearm you are wrong.

1/01/2019 03:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After Mercy? Tell them to go to Hell

1/01/2019 04:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Are you here on official business Officer?"

Yes. Licensed Premise Check. Could you direct me to your Administrative Offices?

"Of course Officer, elevator bank to your right, all the way to the top."

Thank you sir or ma'am.

+++++++++++

Then go do what you came to do.

1/01/2019 04:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you shoot an animal, you are evil. If you shoot
a human, guns are evil. (Liberal logic)

1/01/2019 04:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What are they gonna do? Call the cops bahahaha

1/01/2019 05:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All that schooling and no common sense. Keep out the good guys and let every low life come in unimpeded. It is Chicago so it's par for the corse. Smile and keep walking, you are the Police never surrender your weapon.

1/01/2019 05:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Same at St.Francis last winter. On duty. In uniform. Actually on official business. I was asked to check my gun in a hospital with unarmed security and no metal detectors being used. I just shook my head as I told him that was really a stupid policy and left. I called for
the info I needed instead. No doubt a needless CR number that the pumpkin heads a COPA would love to sustain.

What they’re doing is so stupid it’s almost funny, except it isn’t it’s just really, really stupid. Nothing more than another misguided political statement which puts everyone at risk. Especially post Mercy, how can they still be this stupid?

1/01/2019 06:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No cure for stupid!

1/01/2019 06:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who watches the guns while in hospital custody?

1/01/2019 06:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only time I give up my gun is when I'm testifying in court and it's a judge's order. You are on duty 24/7, no way in hell I'm walking around in a hospital in full uniform unarmed.

1/01/2019 07:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the old days. We would tell them I hope you never call 911. Because no ones coming

1/01/2019 07:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Recently went to christ hospital on an IOD for myself in full uniform, as soon as I checked in the armed security approached me and told me that I could not have my duty weapon on me while I was seeing the doctor. Told him to fuck off and call the police. They did and when real police arrived and came over to talk to me. We all just laughed and was seen by the doctor with no problem whatsoever. You think I was going to be unarmed in full police uniform surrounded by a lot of unknowns, half off the thugs probably packing. No sir....Happy New Year 2019...

1/01/2019 07:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It’s is a city that works to fuck the police any way it can .

1/01/2019 07:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Luries only like us to be the police when one of they’re patch patients blows up. Slow ride to the calls.

1/01/2019 07:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are police haters in every profession, medical, the clergy, media (all of them). It is a mental illness.

1/01/2019 07:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ohhhh myyy Gawwwwd! There's too many ambulances, the sirens are too loud and now the police wanna bring tools of destruction into a place of healing and rest. Just remember their rule "is for the children."

1/01/2019 07:55:00 AM  
Blogger Mr. SouthSide said...

You are under no obligation to reveal your duty status to a security guard.

1/01/2019 07:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
According to the Lurie Children's Hospital website they seem to have a rigorous visitor policy. The visitor must have a State ID, DL or a passport. And they will use that ID to check against public registries for protection of the child. They can take your photo and you wear a photo ID while in the hospital. The visitor must be on an approved list to to visit the child. Visitors are subject to background checks and subject to to a wellness screen by a concierge before visiting the child. I don't know of any other hospital that goes to that extent. At most hospitals you can walk in off the street walk around the hospital without being stopped. It's good they are that diligent in their screening because young children are vulnerable when away from their parents. As to being armed and in uniform, the times have changed where you could go anywhere. And why, because there have been incidents with police officers while on duty whether an accident, domestic etc. The hospital does not want to be liable for admitting someone with a gun. This is happening in various degrees all around the country. Don't take it as an affront. Call the administrator of the hospital and ask them about this policy and why they don't have armed security. Maybe your friend could visit after work.

1/01/2019 03:57:00 AM

You’re missing the point
There’s nothing stopping a regular Joe off the street from bringing a concealed gun into the hospital but you’re going to disarm a police officer who’s on duty???
Totally asinine!

1/01/2019 07:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your on duty you don’t disarm yourself, I don’t care what policy is, there’s nothing they can do and no beef they can make that matters. Lie or ignore them or tell them to fuck off, but don’t be a goof and give them your gun.

1/01/2019 08:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Apparently it's more important to feel safe than be safe.
Brilliant.

1/01/2019 02:26:00 AM


Of course, that is one of the tenents of liberalism, feelings trump common sense.

1/01/2019 08:10:00 AM  
Blogger Cuthbert J. Twillie said...

Never underestimate the depths of stupidity that libtards can reach. The fact is that if 'stupid' was money, they'd all be Billionaires.

ps: As Albert Einstein once said: ........
'The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits'.
[this is actually a fake quote, but it's true nonetheless ;-)]

1/01/2019 08:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Part of fucking this job up has been accompanied with these private security guards becoming even more retarded then usual. The fuckers have to move their Lips to read but they generally get the gist we've been hung out to dry and get no respect from anyone.

Grab one of the morons at a Hospital and lock 'em up and this shit Dept. will hang you out to dry. Even more so if you have to use force on the idiot.

I'm surprised some Lunatic hasn't shot one of these Hospitals up yet because they are soft as baby shit target wise and their security are a bunch of softballs.

1/01/2019 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mercy hospital security is now armed. Liberals are liberals until they get a taste of reality.

1/01/2019 08:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well guys,how about when yo tu go to court, you have to check your guns even when on duty. Where is the outrage there and why did this ever get started. Who is going to protect the p

1/01/2019 08:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Happened to me about 4 years ago... I was on duty in plain clothes, driving an unmarked. My kid had to go to Lurie... my supervisor said go, family first. I parked the unmarked out front (parking is at least $45 and up), went in, and was promptly informed by the unarmed security that I had to surrender my firearm, as my visit was not duty related. After a few minutes going back and forth with him over this policy, he whispered to me when nobody else was around 'just hide it and go in; these doctors and nurses are super-liberal and they freak out'. Since then I know better when I go there... I am ALWAYS armed but I don't tell or show them anything. They have no idea that they have free security during my visits lol

1/01/2019 08:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Libtard thinking indeed! It's the incremental disarming of the populace goal of the communists. Make it gradually acceptable in the minds of the useful idiots that guns are unacceptable in any circumstance, pass a few more "common sense" laws, and that damn 2nd amendment will be put in it's proper perspective of a well regulated musket militia and keep them muskets locked up in city hall until time for yearly drill. Fuck the commies, socialists, and their useful idiots. from my cold dead hands!

1/01/2019 08:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did they also request for you to leave your shoes at the front door?

1/01/2019 08:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

UIC Hospital does this crap also. In fact you cannot carry anywhere on their campus unless you are working and on “official business”. They will call their Police to challenge you.

1/01/2019 08:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rush Hospital is no better. I went to Rush to see a sister who was dying from cancer. While visiting her the Charge Nurse and the hospital Sgt. (white shirt with chevrons) bahahaha, came into the room and told me I had to secure my weapon or leave.

My sister told me fuck them and go home because our other sister was there. When I got home I told my wife if I'm ever attacked at Rush she is to sue the living shit out of Rush Hospital and rename the hospital after my sister.

One of our own sacrifices his life and is called a hero publicly. While quietly out of mainstream media these hospitals NorthWestern, Rush, Crook County) continue to treat us as a threat.

Do us and the yourselves a solid. Mean what you say and say what you mean. Stop telling us you appreciate all we do and then treat us like a potential threat.

By the way Rush Hospital, ever time thereafter I visited my sister I had my weapon on me and I told myself the only people I was going to protect were the people in my sister's room. I'll forego the ceremonies, accolades, medals to see you change your stance on police officers.

1/01/2019 09:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The world has gone crazy...

1/01/2019 09:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wife worked there years ago. Couldn't get a day off for our wedding and had to call in sick. Place is horrible to it's workers.

1/01/2019 09:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is all the abuse of the new left headed by Obama, Rahm , Preckwinkle and the rest of tge enabling, scum leftists. Cops can’t carry but banger barbers are allowed to in their sick twisted brains.

1/01/2019 09:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bet he still had his back up. Carry there all the time.

1/01/2019 09:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What you expect!

Liberal Hospital, who is afraid to have police around anywhere around their property!

To Hell with Chicago Hospital and head for the suburbs like Christ Hospital!

Any hospital that denies Police entry over their duty weapon should NOT get police service!

Haven't these nitwits learned from Mercy Hospital!

1/01/2019 09:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This stupid policy was tried at a big northside hospital in 019.

Guess what, when they told me that I have to check my weapon while On duty and in full uniform, I refused and left the hospital and coded the job.

Hospital staff called my supervisor to complain about me and my boss told them they we are the police and disarm for no one! CLICK!

19-Paul and screw your useless hospital policy!

KMA 25+ years!

1/01/2019 09:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let’s say you checked your gun , went to visit the family member , and then there was as incident with an armed offender on the same floor you are on. What then? Run back and get your gun ? IF YOU ARE ON DUTY , YOU NEVER LEAVE YOUR GUN ANYWHERE!!!!! It is a part of your uniform! While on duty , YOU ARE REQUIRED TO TAKE ACTION IF SOMETHING HAPPENS! Taking action on duty , means actually getting involved. It is not the same as “ taking action “ when you are off duty ( a simple call to 911). You must maintain control of your weapon at all times!

1/01/2019 09:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got the same treatment at Christ a few years ago

1/01/2019 09:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You just can't fix STUPID!

1/01/2019 10:10:00 AM  
Blogger Andrew Petersen said...

The simple answer is "NO. I am not required by mu Department to Check my Weapon at a Non-Police Facility. Sorry."


Unless there is an On the Books G.O.

1/01/2019 10:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sad but this is the way it is in Chicago the violence has seeped into our daily lives. Don't hold it against Lurie Children's Hospital it's a fantastic hospital and the hospital staff is Primo. ♠️

1/01/2019 10:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember the Army" Base that did not allow armed soldiers? Remember the recruiting office, I think Marines, with no weapons! THESE EDUCATED PEOPLE THAT MAKE THESE POLICIES NEED TO TAKE A CLASS ON THE REAL WORLD!!! Just can't fix "STUPID IGNORANCE"!!!

1/01/2019 10:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you walked into a restaurant within the city limits and they asked you to check your weapon would you comply? Obama, liberals and the media have made “the police the enemy.” Obama started the “question authority” movement. The media has played a handful of shootings over the years repeatedly on TV in order to brainwash citizens into thinking all police shoot people on a regular basis. This has caused weak minded citizens to “fear the police.” There have been many incidents nationwide where patrons would ask restaurant managers to ask the police to leave their weapons in their squads or leave altogether because another patrons feel “uncomfortable or threatened.” It truly is amazing what is happening to this country. I’m afraid of the country my children will have to live in. When I was a kid my parents taught my to say hello to police officers or waive.

1/01/2019 10:27:00 AM  
Blogger Andrew Petersen said...

Anonymous said...
Never understood how anyone has the right to restrict my constitutional right. People that were present at Mercy hospital during that fiasco should sue the Mercy order for allowing that to happen while restricting law abiding citizens their legal right. I thought cops had the responsibility to take action, even if off duty. How can society expect that from a copper while restricting his using the tools to do so.

1/01/2019 12:41:00 AM

You want to fight this? The Ban on CCW inside Licensed Facilities when you're a legal carrier?

Contact the Lawyers that McDonald used...and File a Suit.

Violations of 2A and 9A rights to Carry and Protect ones Self when off of your own private property.

1/01/2019 10:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Same happened to me at Christ. I just said no that’s not happening and carried onward with my visit. Security didn’t care. It was a nurse that was having a fit.

1/01/2019 10:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just for the record, they won't bar a convicted felon from entering the hospital, because thats racist.

1/01/2019 10:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just what the folks would like to see, a uniformed officer with an empty holster. Now is that an opportunity or what.

1/01/2019 10:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was asked by staff to escort a patient to a floor in a mental facility. This goof tells me that they have a policy that requires my partner a. I to lock up our weapons. I thought she was kidding me. She wasn’t. I told her that that she and her staff could escort the pt upstairs via the elevator by themselves because we weren’t going anywhere without our weapons! She kept trying to explain policy. I simply told her that if she wanted to escort this pt herself to take her cell phone with her and to call her desk if she needed help and we’d go up with our guns and if her cell phone didn’t work in the elevator, to scream very loud that we would be listening on the 1st floor. It was fucking hilarious! The look on her face!!! She changed her mind and threw policy to the wind! That was a good laugh!!! Oh so good to be retired! LIBTARDS!!!

1/01/2019 10:42:00 AM  
Blogger Kyle Kiernan said...

Isn't there some principle that a PO is technically always on duty at need?

Even aside from that, an interesting question would be "Is there anyone here certified and prepared to receive, receipt, clear and secure a weapon?"
If not its much better off in the hands it belongs to.

1/01/2019 10:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Illinois Masonic is worse. I was on duty at a call and got into it legitimately - was injured and had to go through the whole x ray thing afterward. The X ray was just of my hand mind you, but they kept coming up to me asking to "check in" my gun. I told them I was on duty and you're not getting my gun. They kept asking until I realized this wasn't just to hold it for me it was some official policy. They never got it of course.

1/01/2019 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
It happened to me about 10-12 yrs ago, there. I worked in 019, and old Children’s was on the 018 side. My kid was in the ER there and I was on duty. They told me I had to check my gun in, because it scares the kids. I told them no, and I tucked it in my waistband., under my vest. That was several years ago. I’m not sure what their policy is now, in this screwed up world we live in, if they’d allow you to just tuck it in your waistband or if they’d make a bigger stink about it. It’s not new though.

1/01/2019 03:26:00 AM

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ya, it's not cause it scares the kids - it scares the liberals

1/01/2019 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Obama's birth cert. said...

About 20 years ago OLPD was working out a deal with Christ Hospital to have an Officer assigned to the hospital 24/7, similar to CPD.

Then it comes to light that Christ's admin. did not want the ON DUTY - ASSIGNED TO THE HOSPITAL Officer to be armed...???

Needless to say OLPD declined.

It would of been a sweet O.T. gig too.....

1/01/2019 10:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you here for official business? - Answer: Yes.
Is there something I can help you with? - Answer: No
What are you here for?- Answer: I prefer not to discuss it since it is official business. (and then go about your business)

1/01/2019 10:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like the 018th District Commander or his XO should make some inquiries ...

1/01/2019 10:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I work at 018,We respond to Domestics there all the time,Babys Momma and the babys Daddy,And don't forget the baby bitten by the Pit Bull.

1/01/2019 11:21:00 AM  
Anonymous KC said...

In short, don't waste your time with these people. Tell them what they need to hear and they'll move on. In the meantime, walk away after saying you're on "Official Business".
-best response, thanks

1/01/2019 11:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

About three years ago my wife took our then 7 year old to one of the professional offices upstairs. I was assigned to the academy at the time, so I ran over there to be there too. I was in uniform, but with a hoodie on. My pistol was concealed. The woman at the desk by the elevators asked if i was a cop. I told her i was, and she told me i couldn't wear my gun.
Long story short, i refused, so they sent a security guard up with me to babysit. I wouldn't let her in for my kid's visit; she got up like she was coming in.
The whole thing was embarrassing for both of us, but they'll eventually let you in armed, just with an old, fat unarmed security guard in tow.

1/01/2019 11:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blame your bosses for not straightening this out years ago. Ongoing issue that they are fully aware of.

1/01/2019 11:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I work SVU. Lurie’s is a pain in the ass. Very difficult to find your victim unless they tell you, then they want you to have an unarmed escort. I once asked, “So if I go berserk, who protects YOU from ME?” Was told it’s policy. When given the choice I send all my victims to Comer, they’re WAY more accommodating, don’t treat you like an asshole. Better medical care for the child,as well. Fuck Lurie’s.

1/01/2019 11:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not going to mentioned the hospital because I'm still receiving treatment. I'm sitting in the waiting area and a bunch of westsiders roll in talking loud and acting out to a point of intimidating others in the waiting room. After about ten minute of this nonsense, they realized they are on the wrong floor and leave. Now, I carry my gun and a combat folder when in any hospital. Carry Concealed when you can, and hospitals are no exception.

1/01/2019 11:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, there is no utopia on this brutal planet! The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Can hope and wish that bad things will never happen all you want. Living In la la land!

1/01/2019 12:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Doctors love when you bring them an injured mutt . “ did the police kick your ass?”also, they pander to the fakers.... I have chest pains or I passed out upon arrest. Right... then you babysit them as they have sandwiches and juice all day. Dude hasn’t seen a doctor in years. Ever bring a crazy/homeless person to a hospital? They give you the stink eye. Some hospitals staff are great...too many are not so hot.

1/01/2019 12:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This has happened to many of us. It’s bs.

1/01/2019 12:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

never give up your weapon whether on-duty or off-duty one of the fetal errors made in officer encounters with an unsuspecting armed offender..

1/01/2019 12:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's good they are that diligent in their screening because young children are vulnerable when away from their parents. As to being armed and in uniform, the times have changed where you could go anywhere. And why, because there have been incidents with police officers while on duty whether an accident, domestic etc. The hospital does not want to be liable for admitting someone with a gun. This is happening in various degrees all around the country. Maybe your friend could visit after work.

1/01/2019 03:57:00 AM

WTF, you stupid fucking snowflake.

"Young children are vulnerable when they are away from their parents"

HUH? So you mean a sworn Police Officer carrying a gun is some sort of threat to a child? What friggin rock did you crawl out from under? Don't know what kind of dope you smoke, but I'd prefer to have 10 armed cops around my kids than 1 brain-dead liberal stupid-ass like you.

"because there have been incidents with police officers while on duty whether an accident, domestic etc".

Again, WTF are you taking about? Have there not been incidents with jagoffs like you who come in shooting? Oh, I guess they forgot to check their guns, huh? Does your limited mental libtard capacity really make you believe such ridiculous bullshit?

"Maybe your friend could visit after work."

Listen twinkle toes, I don't know about you, but when I grew up Cops were the good guys, and still are. Maybe the next time you get robbed by one of your illegally-toting shitbags, you should just call for the snowflake police. They won't have guns, and then you can "feel more safe".

People like you make me sick....fuck off.

1/01/2019 12:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This happened to me guarding a prisoner at Northwestern. I got off the elevator on the wrong floor while in full uniform. I asked a nurse for directions and she looked at me in shock as well as dismay. She couldn’t not believe her eyes that i was armed and unescorted. The liberal nurse said you are going to wait right here well i call security to check your firearm and escort you. I said to her call who you want cause I don’t care and walked away to preform the mittmus on a prisoner.

I also had to dress down a liberal doctor at Masonic who thought he was going to get smart in front of a group of medical students. I waited until the students left called him over and said don’t you ever get involved with a police investigation again cause if you do im going to be taking you with me. Would i have of course not but he doesn’t know that and backing down to him or a pathetic nurse doesn’t do the next Officer any favors.

Of course the vast majority of hospital staff are good to us and lots of our family members work in that field. Just stand your ground and do not back down from pathetic and stupid liberal requests.

1/01/2019 12:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

concealed carry permit holder shot two offenders who both exited a vehicle and announced a robbery permit holder drew his weapon and shot both robbery offenders!

follow this case:

lets find out what Kimesha does about it at 26th St and California-Have a Happy New Year!

1/01/2019 12:23:00 PM  
Blogger FREE SPEECHER said...

Same exact thing happened to
Myself about 3-5 yrs.ago.
Guess what ???
I refused to hand my weapon over
to ANYONE !!! AS I explained to
them that I was NOT wearing a
Halloween costume and that them
relieving me of my weapon would
make me most vulnerable to any
one with a gripe against Police.
I got in !!!
But they are primadonnas down
there and their management needs
to seriously be addressed !

1/01/2019 12:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That shit is crazy, I heard that before and I simply told them “call the police”

1/01/2019 12:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Several years ago I met my wife at Northwestern Hospital for her chemo (she’s cancer-free and doing well, thank you). I’m a Sgt and was working in 018 at the time. As we walked past the reception, a clerk told me that I’d have to check my gun. I was incredulous. I regained my composure and told her to call the police and I kept walking to the elevators.

What the hell is the matter with these people?

1/01/2019 12:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a retired police officer who then worked for a major chicago hospital in security, I can tell you story upon story about how bad security really is. The security director did not like retired cops as he thought they were too aggressive. The majority of security guard were idiots who also were responsible for some crimes around the buildings. And, most of the guards could not find a crime if they wanted to. Many of the supervisors were also thieves who would spend time having sex with female guards at night or drinking in the tavern across the street. They helped themselves to the property in the lost and found for starters. Not only during the day, but also at night, outsiders would freely enter the hospital and steal from the patients rooms or from storage areas. Hospital staff would steal from patients when they were out of the room for tests. Pickpockets would freely roam the hospital during the day and prey on people in the elevators and dining areas. Hospital staff would steal valuable equipment because the security director would turn off the entry systems and would refuse to install more cameras to save money. I could go on, but you get the picture. Do not feel safe in any Chicago Hospital on the Gold Coast, because you are not safe. They love this open campus feeling and it is really open.

1/01/2019 12:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You cant relieve an On Duty Police officer of his weapon. He/She would be in violation of General Orders. Only in a Lock up facility or secure prisoner areas...

1/01/2019 12:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After what happened at Mercy you would think they would step up security and welcome the police inside the hospital. Yet if a active shooter showed who are they going to call THE POLICE.

1/01/2019 12:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I went down there for an appointment with my cardiologist. I am retired PO. I forgot and had my small pistol in a holster under my sweatshirt. Before he saw my gun, the cardiologist was telling me how much he liked the police and respected me for doing my job for almost 30 years. Then he wanted to attach some leads etc so off came the sweatshirt and I put the small pistol in my pocket. Doctor went bananas. They have a new procedure. He is supposed to notify the person in charge on that floor. That doc was shitting in his pants wondering what to do. I told him, do nothing, I wasn't going to shoot anyone. He mumbled and I left. I didn't need the grief from security and didn't want to get arrested etc.

The head of security for the hospital called me at home to explain the new policy. Bullshit. They call the police. I didn't see any armed security. So that's all for that doctor. I'll get a new one, maybe a new hospital. That was the Friday before PO Jimenez was shot and killed at Mercy Hospital. Any retired or off-duty PO would certainly try and help in a shooting situation, if they could.

Not at Northwestern. Don't bring your gun there and only take care of yourself. And if you need a cardiologist, look for another one other than Dr. Hossein Ardehali, MD. I'm through with him.

If there is ever an active shooter there let them take care of it, or SWAT. Remember to check your weapons! Piss on Northwestern.

1/01/2019 01:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Had the same done to me when I went to visit ole Bob Griffin at LCM I was in FULL uniform on duty & denied entry unless I checked my gun luckily there was an off duty evergreen or oak lawn copper that let me through but of corse with dirty looks it’s sickening how we have lost so much respect yest when shit pops off where the first to respond to any situation

1/01/2019 01:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don’t think the CMH policy ever allowed guns into the hospital, not for traffic crashes, gun shots and even to interview violent crime victim children for there names, address and parents info.
I had a couple-few cases that would up there since the mid 80’s (not any more, thank you very much).
I don’t recall, I know they remodeled, but I think you’re not allowed past the front desk in the ER
I didn’t argue, mostly just followed up when the parent/child was at home.
Once had the family come out to the lobby. Still, even back 30 years ago getting info from doctors, nurses on children victims was not easy over at CMH

The staff wasn’t nasty and I like to believe they all don’t hate the police that they’re just doing what they were told.
It’s no doubt that today’s staff could very well be brainwashed anyway considering what comes out of universities here and from the global abroad.
Abide by rules stated as adopted by a soft-shelled liberal, tolerant, welcoming Board - hope the deranged boogie man doesn’t come busting through the doors. They require an ID to enter, nice...a bit racist, condescending and not inclusive but nice.
I think if they ever did have an active assailant incident there, they would still stick to their policy.
CMH doesn’t have those 2 a.m. reunions hanging outside the ER like St.Rogers, NW or Mt.Sinai... I think they close down after dark.

1/01/2019 01:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First off, NW has been pulling this shit since I got on in 2000. Secondly, there are an incredible amount of gangbangers and the like wandering everywhere unchecked. The great liberal minds at work again.

1/01/2019 01:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Old retired guy. Made several arrests in hospitals while on and off duty.
The very best story happened in the 70's. PO on duty goes to visit his father(also a PO), The senior had gotten out of bed right after surgery and was wrestling with the janitor just as the son came up. Well, the father had ripped a stitch or two, but a man wanted for rape was taken into custody. You never know.

1/01/2019 01:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SSC and to whom it may concern. I remember working afternoons in the 30 sector a couple years ago and got a battery call over there. the fat f/1 security tried blocking my entry into the hospital elevators to the point where I had to warn her if she laid a finger on me she was going to lockup. She proceeded to follow me around reporting my every move into her radio... like I was some criminal. This was roughly two years ago and ever since that bizarre incident I've had to basically strong arm my way in there and ignore/warn the racist police hating security to get the fuck out of my way. Absolutely insane. Fuck that place.

1/01/2019 01:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a very dangerous hospital policy. A POLICE OFFICER should NEVER be without his/her firearm !!!!

1/01/2019 01:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Simply conceal your weapon. I am certain that many good guys with a CCW have entered NMH with a gun out of sight. Why play into their moronic mentality?
MS

1/01/2019 01:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Surely there is a rule about surrendering your duty weapon while on duty.

What if there had been a emergency that the officer had to go to.... I'll be there in 5 minutes I have to get my gun back from the coat check people....

Doubt that scenario. Officer would have been off the air if he was in a hospital visiting a patient.

1/01/2019 01:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
2 years ago we had our daughter here. I’m a PO and my bro in law is on the job as well. Like normally I was carrying concealed(I was off duty). However my brother in law came on duty in uniform to visit.. The unarmed security told him to please leave his weapon in his car since he was not at the hospital on a call or “official duty” . He hid his weapon and still came in. Now keep in mind I walked in there with a gun and no one else was aware. I’d imagine other shit heads do that as well......but the uniform cop can’t. I believe northern western PD has 1 uniform cop on the streets surrounding the hospital.

1/01/2019 12:30:00 AM

So what you are saying is if he was on a call or “official business” then he could have kept his gun?

1/01/2019 01:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
When I had to go to a hospital for an investigation I refused to check my weapon, I told them to either let me in, bring the “victim” to me into another room or I left and the interview didn’t happen. I didn’t care if it was a psych ward I did not meet with anyone unarmed, imagine one of those nuts going off and usually they are strong like bull and the only thing you have is your hands with skin on it.

You did the right thing. Just leave. But the psych ward thing didn’t make sense. You wouldn’t go in without a weapon so leave, but what about the nurses, drs therapists and hundreds of workers who go into the psych ward everyday? Be honest with you if I worked in the psych ward I wouldn’t want armed police in there especially after I see what’s coming out of the academy. The patient wouldn’t have to be as strong as a bull and if you are honest with yourself you know a few officers like that

1/01/2019 01:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
When I had to go to a hospital for an investigation I refused to check my weapon, I told them to either let me in, bring the “victim” to me into another room or I left and the interview didn’t happen. I didn’t care if it was a psych ward I did not meet with anyone unarmed, imagine one of those nuts going off and usually they are strong like bull and the only thing you have is your hands with skin on it.

You did the right thing. Just leave. But the psych ward thing didn’t make sense. You wouldn’t go in without a weapon so leave, but what about the nurses, drs therapists and hundreds of workers who go into the psych ward everyday? Be honest with you if I worked in the psych ward I wouldn’t want armed police in there especially after I see what’s coming out of the academy. The patient wouldn’t have to be as strong as a bull and if you are honest with yourself you know a few officers like that

1/01/2019 02:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Never understood how anyone has the right to restrict my constitutional right. People that were present at Mercy hospital during that fiasco should sue the Mercy order for allowing that to happen while restricting law abiding citizens their legal right. I thought cops had the responsibility to take action, even if off duty. How can society expect that from a copper while restricting his using the tools to do so.


Do you know the circumstances of the shooting? Your constitutional rights were restricted? Sue for allowing this to happen while restricting law abiding citizens their legal right. The shooter had a valid carry concealed permit. They didn’t restrict any constitutional rights.

1/01/2019 02:08:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Decades ago this would have resulted in a "talking to"

1/01/2019 02:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Never understood how anyone has the right to restrict my constitutional right. People that were present at Mercy hospital during that fiasco should sue the Mercy order for allowing that to happen while restricting law abiding citizens their legal right. I thought cops had the responsibility to take action, even if off duty. How can society expect that from a copper while restricting his using the tools to do so.

1/01/2019 12:41:00 AM

It's actually pretty simple. You don't have any constitutional right to carry a gun on someone else's property. If you're confused about why Starbucks or your favorite restaurant can restrict your right to carry on their property, maybe you shouldn't be allowed to carry. The constitution doesn't give you an absolute right to carry whenever and wherever you please. On-duty police though should have a right to carry everywhere they go while on duty, but that's not how this world works anymore.

1/01/2019 03:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lurie is full of shit. It has always been there policy to prohibit armed police unless on duty. Detectives have been called there for cases and have been asked to secure their weapons with security or conceal the weapon. Per G.O. a detective should be wearing a suit coat while on on duty. Any jacket will conceal. Never allow them a fucking imch. Tell them to fuck off and handle your case if on duty. Period. Challenge them every step of the way. Lurie security is a bunch of clowns. Never relinquish your weapon while on duty. Off duty, you may have to, but only if you let them know you are carrying.

1/01/2019 04:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Never understood how anyone has the right to restrict my constitutional right. People that were present at Mercy hospital during that fiasco should sue the Mercy order for allowing that to happen while restricting law abiding citizens their legal right. I thought cops had the responsibility to take action, even if off duty. How can society expect that from a copper while restricting his using the tools to do so.


1/01/2019 02:08:00 PM


Hospital is privately owned property. Owner may set rules and restrictions etc. If we don't like it, and I don't, we don't have to enter that property. Exception might be exigent circumstances putting lives or safety of others at risk

1/01/2019 04:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Elmhurst Hospital is the opposite! My mother had surgery there last year and I went there in my uniform with my weapon. The receptionist at the visitor's desk made a call to her supervisor and they immediately gave me a pass. They were super professional and kind. They went out of their way to offer me a bite to eat for breakfast with coffee and donuts. Elmhurst made my mother's stay excellent too.

1/01/2019 04:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
According to the Lurie Children's Hospital website they seem to have a rigorous visitor policy. The visitor must have a State ID, DL or a passport. And they will use that ID to check against public registries for protection of the child. They can take your photo and you wear a photo ID while in the hospital. The visitor must be on an approved list to to visit the child. Visitors are subject to background checks and subject to to a wellness screen by a concierge before visiting the child. I don't know of any other hospital that goes to that extent. At most hospitals you can walk in off the street walk around the hospital without being stopped. It's good they are that diligent in their screening because young children are vulnerable when away from their parents. As to being armed and in uniform, the times have changed where you could go anywhere. And why, because there have been incidents with police officers while on duty whether an accident, domestic etc. The hospital does not want to be liable for admitting someone with a gun. This is happening in various degrees all around the country. Don't take it as an affront. Call the administrator of the hospital and ask them about this policy and why they don't have armed security. Maybe your friend could visit after work.

1/01/2019 03:57:00 AM

You’re missing the point
There’s nothing stopping a regular Joe off the street from bringing a concealed gun into the hospital but you’re going to disarm a police officer who’s on duty???
Totally asinine!

1/01/2019 07:59:00 AM


I did not miss the point. I looked into Lurie's visitor's policy and could not find anything about firearms and presented what appeared to be a rigorous policy other than that. You are wasting your time getting into a pissing match with a security guard and alienating the hospital staff because they don't set the policy. This is something that the City and the CPD has failed to address with these hospitals and others. What I did say that you can walk into many hospitals and never be stopped. Who's to say you are not carrying weapons. So yes their policy is ludicrous in light of that. Maybe they have had some incidents with POs and firearms. I have been told by a physical therapist that some POs will come in for treatment with a weapon and leave it on a chair or table, while being treated, where another person could grab it. This makes them extremely nervous. I can see their point. I would never display a weapon to anyone and if I was in a uniform would walk out if asked to surrender it.

1/01/2019 05:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Being a Ret.E/T...I can't recall ever someone from a hosp telling me to check my weapon. Not that I would anyway........

1/01/2019 05:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We had a female p.o. rush her daughter to the er partially in uniform. They told her to put her gun in her car. She locked it in the glove box. Low and behold gun turns up missing and she takes days....

1/01/2019 05:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My best friend was in the Shirley Ryan Ability Lab, being treated for brain cancer. I stopped by while I was working. The elderly volunteer at the desk as well as a (very young) unarmed security guard said it was "hospital policy, no weapons." I said, "So if I was here on official business, I'd have to leave my gun in the squadcar?" "Yes." I said, "Well then, you guys would be on your own, because the police don't give up their weapons." The volunteer held fast, but the security guard called his supervisor, who was very nice . He escorted me to my friend's room, but I never visited him again while working. He was already under too much stress. SMDH

1/01/2019 05:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Never understood how anyone has the right to restrict my constitutional right." Except for the 13th Amendment, the Constitution protects people from the government not each other. That why you almost always need a "state actor." Most discrimination claims are statutory, even if they involve private parties.

1/01/2019 05:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The list goes on.
Lakeshore psych hospital in 020/019, both juve and adult facilities. They call and want us to go up on the patient floor but leave our guns. Sorry but no. Guy with a knife? Someone hit someone else with a lamp? Bring the guy down or let us go up with all our equipment.
Do not disarm yourself. Their policy is for them not us.

1/01/2019 06:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

in these kinds of situations i dont think it's fair to take it out on the guy/gal at the front desk. they're not the ones that make the policy, but they will damn sure be fired in a split second if they're seen as willfully ignoring it. so unless you're willing to pay his/her mortgage, health insurance and put food in their kids mouths.....

1/01/2019 06:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Officer should have just ignored the guards orders what are you going to do call the police.

1/01/2019 07:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is not new behavior toward the police. I went to Loretto Hospital in the late 80’s to visit a friend on my way to work. . Security guard told me I had to check my weapon or unload it before I could go to the patients room. In the mean time every form of “citizen” was wandering around the lobby.

1/01/2019 08:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
It’s a licensed premise in the city. They can’t deny you access if you are on duty. Know the law next time and walk right by them.

1/01/2019 12:31:00 AM
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That’s right, they can’t deny you access while you are on duty. So just walk by them and when they report you to your boss, who will advise them of the same, you can then explain to your boss why you were making personal visits on work time. And while everyone may tend to a personal matter while on duty, yours is the one he got the phone call about, so yours is the one that will be addressed, probably with discipline. Is it fair? No. Is life fair! No. Decide how much the hassle is worth to you. I always have a back up gun, so if it was really important to me I would check my duty weapon and still walk in knowing I am armed. Sometimes being the quiet winner is how you win.

1/01/2019 08:39:00 PM  
Blogger Andrew Petersen said...

Kyle Kiernan said...
Isn't there some principle that a PO is technically always on duty at need?

Even aside from that, an interesting question would be "Is there anyone here certified and prepared to receive, receipt, clear and secure a weapon?"
If not its much better off in the hands it belongs to.

1/01/2019 10:45:00 AM

You are absolutely correct. Just think about what COPA/IPRA/IAD/OPS would try to jam you up on while you were "Off Duty"

City Workers are Never "Off Duty" thanks to OIG and the respective Personnel Departments in this City.

1/01/2019 08:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Decades ago this would have resulted in a "talking to"

1/01/2019 02:32:00 PM


Aye...
And the "talking to" would lead to an "understanding."

In this day and age?
Any reasonable attempt at a "talking to," will result
in much grief and aggravation disproportionate to the
matter at hand for the Policeman doing the talking.

Now get out there and be the humble, self-effacing,
"public servant" that they say they want you to be.

Forget about that old fashioned, "manly" stuff like
giving someone who encroached into the fast lane,
a "talking to."

You see... That's that "Warrior Cop" stuff that causes
so many white guilt liberal/progressive Alinskyite
cuckold tummies to rumble in fear and concern.

"Cops being all mean, tough, manly and assertive!
WAH! Stop it! We're triggered! Where's our safe space?"

A bunch of wet-eyed, weak-handed, squat-to-pee,
consensus building leftist soy-boys and man-girls
telling the rest of everybody else what's what
in the realm of Policing.

1/01/2019 09:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Based upon the disrespect shown by some hospital staff, I'm so glad that I'm retired.

1/01/2019 09:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Call 911 and demand that a politician or hospital administrator respond immediately to any liberal “victim”of someone’s bad childhood.

1/01/2019 09:34:00 PM  
Blogger Julie T said...

That's really fucked up and I was actually there with my son right after the killing at Mercy. My son had a hearing test and they do it in a sealed box like room. I thought to myself that is the best place to hide if an active shooter came around because that place is so easy to get in and out of without detection. I rely on my faith in God to keep me safe because I don't think any part of this city is safe anymore and the police can't do a thing anymore.

1/02/2019 12:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Back sometime in the late 80s, Children's Hospital was having an ongoing problem with a patient's father, who believed that his daughter's doctor had mis-diagnosed her cancer. Turns out this poor girl had a large tumor in her brain. The father was a big guy, loud, and mouthy, so the doctor and the staff were all intimidated by the guy. Children's started an off-duty detail that a number of POs from 018 worked. We were there 24/7 in case the father would show up. When they knew he was coming ( for some of her treatments, tests, or consultations with the doctor ), there would be two POs for that shift. We were always armed, and they were glad we were there. The detail lasted until the little girl passed away. Evidently, times and attitudes have changed.

1/02/2019 08:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only place where you should not be allowed to carry is if your visiting the mental ward otherwise keep your weapon on!

1/02/2019 08:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a big fan of Lutheran Gen., but any mope can walk in and go absolutely anywhere they want in there. It is just the way the hosp. is laid out. They should thank me for every time I bring my gun in there.

1/02/2019 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hospital is privately owned property. Owner may set rules and restrictions etc. If we don't like it, and I don't, we don't have to enter that property. Exception might be exigent circumstances putting lives or safety of others at risk
1/01/2019 04:48:00 PM

So by your logic and others, the Hospital could put up a no colored allowed or no women allowed signs correct?? The Right to Keep and Bear Arms applies just as equally as the rest of the Bill of Rights.

And especially an on duty PO may conduct a premise check or walk and talk with local establishments,its not like they would we be doing s search or anything.

1/02/2019 10:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Aye...
And the "talking to" would lead to an "understanding."

In this day and age?
Any reasonable attempt at a "talking to," will result
in much grief and aggravation disproportionate to the
matter at hand for the Policeman doing the talking.

Now get out there and be the humble, self-effacing,
"public servant" that they say they want you to be.

Forget about that old fashioned, "manly" stuff like
giving someone who encroached into the fast lane,
a "talking to."

You see... That's that "Warrior Cop" stuff that causes
so many white guilt liberal/progressive Alinskyite
cuckold tummies to rumble in fear and concern.

"Cops being all mean, tough, manly and assertive!
WAH! Stop it! We're triggered! Where's our safe space?"

A bunch of wet-eyed, weak-handed, squat-to-pee,
consensus building leftist soy-boys and man-girls
telling the rest of everybody else what's what
in the realm of Policing.

1/01/2019 09:12:00 PM

Being a "real" cop does not cause sparklefartism, not being one does. Idiots like you have let strangers into the house......

1/02/2019 10:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only time we had to give up our weapons was when we went to the Cermack Memorial Hospital. For those of you that are unfamiliar with that hospital, it is inside the Cook County Jail, hence no weapons.

1/02/2019 10:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



Did Mercy Hospital demand Police check their guns
when the shootout occurred causing the murder of
one of our own?



1/02/2019 10:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Female Sgt. in 018 several years back would respond to calls at the old Children’s. Security told her to check her weapon. She would come up on Zone 4 for all to hear and tell the dispatcher what the security guards and nursing supervisor were insisting and stated that she was not going on an assigned call without her full complement of gear. Ballsy lady and. Good Sgt. I wish I could remember her name.

1/02/2019 11:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The list goes on.
Lakeshore psych hospital in 020/019, both juve and adult facilities. They call and want us to go up on the patient floor but leave our guns. Sorry but no. Guy with a knife? Someone hit someone else with a lamp? Bring the guy down or let us go up with all our equipment.
Do not disarm yourself. Their policy is for them not us.
1/01/2019 06:01:00 PM


Bingo.Not CPD, but we do the same. Just be polite and then start leaving.They always change their minds when you say goodbye......

1/02/2019 12:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

According to the Lurie Children's Hospital website they seem to have a rigorous visitor policy. The visitor must have a State ID, DL or a passport. And they will use that ID to check against public registries for protection of the child. They can take your photo and you wear a photo ID while in the hospital. The visitor must be on an approved list to to visit the child. Visitors are subject to background checks and subject to to a wellness screen by a concierge before visiting the child. I don't know of any other hospital that goes to that extent. At most hospitals you can walk in off the street walk around the hospital without being stopped. It's good they are that diligent in their screening because young children are vulnerable when away from their parents. As to being armed and in uniform, the times have changed where you could go anywhere. And why, because there have been incidents with police officers while on duty whether an accident, domestic etc. The hospital does not want to be liable for admitting someone with a gun. This is happening in various degrees all around the country. Don't take it as an affront. Call the administrator of the hospital and ask them about this policy and why they don't have armed security. Maybe your friend could visit after work.


But I'm here on official business the patient two doors over from my wife is complaining about the lack of service probably bs but we have to check--let's start with your business license. Patients name? that's on the PDT I just have a room number. why don't you go find that business license for me and don't call when that hostile homeless person starts acting up......

1/02/2019 12:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
It’s a licensed premise in the city. They can’t deny you access if you are on duty. Know the law next time and walk right by them.

1/01/2019 12:31:00 AM
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That’s right, they can’t deny you access while you are on duty. So just walk by them and when they report you to your boss, who will advise them of the same, you can then explain to your boss why you were making personal visits on work time. And while everyone may tend to a personal matter while on duty, yours is the one he got the phone call about, so yours is the one that will be addressed, probably with discipline. Is it fair? No. Is life fair! No. Decide how much the hassle is worth to you. I always have a back up gun, so if it was really important to me I would check my duty weapon and still walk in knowing I am armed. Sometimes being the quiet winner is how you win.

1/01/2019 08:39:00 PM


Are you sure a hospital is a licensed premise like a grocery store or liquor store is? What about the Not For Profit part. When is the last time a blue shirt went into Northwestern Hospital and asked to see their licenses and put in a misl-X card? One phone call and that blue shirt will be working somewhere else. The City hated the concealed carry law and they are part of this decal no guns bullshit. This is not a battle that will be won by a beat cop. This needs City lawyers etc. Ain't gonna happen.

1/02/2019 12:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not LE and understand your gripe but gotta strongly agree on the " It's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to get permission." I just act as if I belong and know what I am doing and go about my business. It's so much easier than playing the 'follow the rules" game.

1/02/2019 12:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Hospital is privately owned property. Owner may set rules and restrictions etc. If we don't like it, and I don't, we don't have to enter that property. Exception might be exigent circumstances putting lives or safety of others at risk
1/01/2019 04:48:00 PM

So by your logic and others, the Hospital could put up a no colored allowed or no women allowed signs correct?? The Right to Keep and Bear Arms applies just as equally as the rest of the Bill of Rights.

And especially an on duty PO may conduct a premise check or walk and talk with local establishments,its not like they would we be doing s search or anything.

1/02/2019 10:02:00 AM

Some throw around the 2nd a amendment like hoot rats saying I got a job. Read up on the Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act. We are restricted to carry in some locations. Can police stations refuse to shelter the homeless for a short amount of time? Know the time limit? Desk personnel kick people out often. As far as you arguing about signs restricting entrance into a hospital based on race and gender is idiotic. If they need medical assistance they go in. As far as on duty cop under non official capacity going to visit someone on company time? Arguable. Also, Chicago officer's firearm training standards are below that of many non police standards. I don't want CPD coming in when I didn't call either. Love ya but yall just don't get enough training with guns. Badge doesn't grant you super power nor does arrogance in entitlement. Cops too must comply to the policies of the private businesses they enter when they are not under official duties.

1/02/2019 04:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now police know how ccw holders are treated in Illinois. Hospitals are just one of many GFZ’s. So many gun free zones in Chicago the politicians make it nearly impossible to do anything and legally carry with your ccw license. Just another way to for the political libtards in Chicago to deny law abiding sheeple the right to protect themselves.

1/02/2019 04:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hospital is privately owned property. Owner may set rules and restrictions etc. If we don't like it, and I don't, we don't have to enter that property. Exception might be exigent circumstances putting lives or safety of others at risk
1/01/2019 04:48:00 PM

Okay Snowflake, this is why they want a young (and dumb) dept

Dumbazz snowflakes and trolls they are a licensed premise (and accept goverment and county $$$)

1/02/2019 04:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just another sign of how far askew the pendulum has swung.
Don’t see it swinging back to anywhere near normalcy anytime soon.

1/02/2019 05:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

It happened to me about 10-12 yrs ago, there. I worked in 019, and old Children’s was on the 018 side. My kid was in the ER there and I was on duty. They told me I had to check my gun in, because it scares the kids. I told them no, and I tucked it in my waistband., under my vest. That was several years ago. I’m not sure what their policy is now, in this screwed up world we live in, if they’d allow you to just tuck it in your waistband or if they’d make a bigger stink about it. It’s not new though.

Same thing happened to me there around the same time period. I told them that the gun scares the doctors, not the kids. Many younger children can't even tell what a holstered pistol is. I told them I would untuck my shirt and cover my weapon so the doctors wouldn't be afraid after I refused to give up my weapon.

1/02/2019 05:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I will never donate another dollar to them. I work in 19 and had a child hit by a car and followed CFD there and was doing a report and was treated like shit by the nurses and the doctor. Donate your money to ST Judes hospital or Shriners.

1/02/2019 06:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://insider.foxnews.com/2019/01/01/new-york-gov-andrew-cuomo-pardons-immigrants-risk-deportation-takes-swipe-trump

Now democrats are pardoning murderers so they don't get deported.

1/02/2019 06:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Never understood how anyone has the right to restrict my constitutional right. People that were present at Mercy hospital during that fiasco should sue the Mercy order for allowing that to happen while restricting law abiding citizens their legal right. I thought cops had the responsibility to take action, even if off duty. How can society expect that from a copper while restricting his using the tools to do so.


CPD does. They tell you to leave your weapon at home if you are going out drinking

1/02/2019 07:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To be honest if my wife or child was in the hospital and I went to visit them the last thing I would be worried about is if I were armed or unarmed. They have a policy of no weapons, fine I’ll not bring my weapon. And I wouldn’t worry about these statements. What if a lunatic comes into the hospital with an AK47.

1/02/2019 07:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wait til they need the police

1/02/2019 10:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Sad but this is the way it is in Chicago the violence has seeped into our daily lives. Don't hold it against Lurie Children's Hospital it's a fantastic hospital and the hospital staff is Primo.


They may do some good work, but so do many police officers. I don't understand why anyone would want children to fear police. Doesn't anyone remember ( from years ago) a movie based on a true story, My Name Is Steven, about a boy who was kidnapped, escaped, went to the police for help? Children need to know they can go to police for help. And with the shooting at Mercy Hospital, as well as other rmass shootings, and gangbangers coming into hospitals, and causing problems when their friend or loved one is shot, what would be done about that? Are you really worried about police officers being a problem? And what happens if a gun in their locker goes missing? Then what?

1/03/2019 12:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Never understood how anyone has the right to restrict my constitutional right. People that were present at Mercy hospital during that fiasco should sue the Mercy order for allowing that to happen while restricting law abiding citizens their legal right. I thought cops had the responsibility to take action, even if off duty. How can society expect that from a copper while restricting his using the tools to do so.


CPD does. They tell you to leave your weapon at home if you are going out drinking

1/02/2019

The difference between that, and being armed while in a hospital, is that, you can choose to drink, or not. I choose not to. But that's my choice. But you are going to be on official business and not have your gun? May not be a good idea.

1/03/2019 12:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You all think it's a liberal thing? Down here in Nashville (where I retired), everyone has a gun, yet there are tons of places you cannot enter while armed. It's the law, get over it, and move on. I don't see the sense of a hospital attempting to restrict an on-duty PO in uniform, that's just whack, but off duty, make sure you're actually 'concealed.' Having said that, some hospitals out my way make all persons entering walk through a metal detector, so you just may have to leave it in the wheels if you're retired or off duty and attempting to enter a medical facility.
There is no 'absolute right' to carry everywhere. Don't get yourself jammed up and be wrong about that.

1/03/2019 06:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Happened to me. So anyone can carry a gun as long as your not the police in uniform. Even with all the back ground stuff they do. I just left took off my shirt and put my gun in my pocket . And i m in. Great security!!!

1/03/2019 08:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Some throw around the 2nd a amendment like hoot rats saying I got a job. Read up on the Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act. We are restricted to carry in some locations. Can police stations refuse to shelter the homeless for a short amount of time? Know the time limit? Desk personnel kick people out often. As far as you arguing about signs restricting entrance into a hospital based on race and gender is idiotic. If they need medical assistance they go in. As far as on duty cop under non official capacity going to visit someone on company time? Arguable. Also, Chicago officer's firearm training standards are below that of many non police standards. I don't want CPD coming in when I didn't call either. Love ya but yall just don't get enough training with guns. Badge doesn't grant you super power nor does arrogance in entitlement. Cops too must comply to the policies of the private businesses they enter when they are not under official duties.
1/02/2019 04:38:00 PM


You statements about various Acts, or "currently enforced law" does not carve that in stone. Imagine Rosa Parks, she defied and broke LONG standing "laws" but she was correct in her thinking and actions to promote liberty.


The 2nd Amendment is just like the other 9 in the Bill of Rights and EQUAL PROTECTION applies. You do not have a right to stop me from carrying a gun.

1/03/2019 11:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Never understood how anyone has the right to restrict my constitutional right. People that were present at Mercy hospital during that fiasco should sue the Mercy order for allowing that to happen while restricting law abiding citizens their legal right. I thought cops had the responsibility to take action, even if off duty. How can society expect that from a copper while restricting his using the tools to do so.


CPD does. They tell you to leave your weapon at home if you are going out drinking

1/02/2019 07:54:00 PM

Wrong, they tell you to never be intoxicated.

1/03/2019 12:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who are you going to trust to secure your weapon? How are they secured? Who has access? How are you liable if something happens to it, or with it?

You hear all the time about patient property, hospital property, drugs, etc. being taken.

1/03/2019 12:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

idiots

1/03/2019 02:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you are on duty in full uniform you can wear your long raincoat which will conceal your firearm from view. If someone at the hospital asks if you are carrying your duty weapon just say no.

1/03/2019 03:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Some throw around the 2nd a amendment like hoot rats saying I got a job. Read up on the Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act. We are restricted to carry in some locations. Can police stations refuse to shelter the homeless for a short amount of time? Know the time limit? Desk personnel kick people out often. As far as you arguing about signs restricting entrance into a hospital based on race and gender is idiotic. If they need medical assistance they go in. As far as on duty cop under non official capacity going to visit someone on company time? Arguable. Also, Chicago officer's firearm training standards are below that of many non police standards. I don't want CPD coming in when I didn't call either. Love ya but yall just don't get enough training with guns. Badge doesn't grant you super power nor does arrogance in entitlement. Cops too must comply to the policies of the private businesses they enter when they are not under official duties.
1/02/2019 04:38:00 PM


You statements about various Acts, or "currently enforced law" does not carve that in stone. Imagine Rosa Parks, she defied and broke LONG standing "laws" but she was correct in her thinking and actions to promote liberty.


The 2nd Amendment is just like the other 9 in the Bill of Rights and EQUAL PROTECTION applies. You do not have a right to stop me from carrying a gun.

1/03/2019 11:38:00 AM

Carry your gun into the Federal building. Make it to the second floor with your gun and you proved your point. Until then your equal protection has no factual basis. Nice try though. Just blindly citing the 2nd amendment actually hurts it.

1/03/2019 04:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Carry your gun into the Federal building. Make it to the second floor with your gun and you proved your point. Until then your equal protection has no factual basis. Nice try though. Just blindly citing the 2nd amendment actually hurts it.
1/03/2019 04:40:00 PM


people like you are part of the problem. Civil rights do not advance due to ignorance or evil agenda, which is yours??? Standing up for your rights hurts nothing,its called balls.

1/04/2019 10:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wrong, they tell you to never be intoxicated.

1/03/2019 12:13:00 PM

The modern conventional wisdom is never be drinking while armed. Since the Officer Becker thing in the mid 1990's, the CPD says, if you plan to drink, regardless of the quantity, leave the gun at home. You are quoting from the antiquated CPD rule book.

1/04/2019 06:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Carry your gun into the Federal building. Make it to the second floor with your gun and you proved your point. Until then your equal protection has no factual basis. Nice try though. Just blindly citing the 2nd amendment actually hurts it.

1/03/2019 04:40:00 PM


people like you are part of the problem. Civil rights do not advance due to ignorance or evil agenda, which is yours??? Standing up for your rights hurts nothing,its called balls.

1/04/2019 10:21:00 AM

As a member of the NRA I encourage you to make it to the second floor of the Federal building with a firearm. Also, what does the Constitution say about convicted felons? Does the Constitution allow them to be armed as well? Go read some books idiot. Screaming 2nd amendment blindly hurts the pro gun agenda.

1/05/2019 05:27:00 AM  

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