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- The Fraternal Order of Police has again been denied in its attempts to formally join the lawsuit that could soon lead to a consent decree governing reform at the Chicago Police Department.
The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Wednesday upheld U.S. District Judge Robert Dow’s decision, reached last summer, that barred the police union from intervening in the lawsuit between City Hall and Attorney General Lisa Madigan.
In doing so, the appellate court noted the FOP waited “for nearly a year” to try to intervene, despite realizing the consent decree might affect its interests. The court also described as “largely speculative” the FOP’s fear that the consent decree will violate its collective bargaining agreement, or CBA.
Unforced errors, and the FOP is going onto 19 months without even a whisper of a Contract.
Labels: FOP
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
74 Comments:
Add up all the loot the unions have scraped and chiseled for decades, set it beside what they produced and NO what they claimed to avoid is not worth a hat full of cold piss. Real actual tangible GAINS.
Time now to admit its been the agent working at the behest of government, not Officers! Tossing aside the machine starts with dissolving the poser ploy tool called government unions, police unions included!
Well, I know I’m not voting for any of these fop guys next election. No better than the last crew, or the crew before that, and are now teetering on the same level as Shields. Coming up on two years in office, and nothing’s changed. Barely a whimper, and when they do say or do something, it’s usually too little/late.
What are we paying the fop for ?
It's like they work for the mayor and not the men and women of CPD.
There are some board members who predicted this disaster.
More Democrat union busting techniques. No strike clause fucked you. Who had the better lawyer?
6 months without a contract is BS!!!
Not a Cop.
Pure Incompetence!
I hope they go six more years with no contract. They keep raising our medical. I just want to retire and get back pay!
Uh-oh. Who dropped the ball? And, was it intentional?
Are they trying to stab Kevin Graham in the back like they did Mike Shields?
Speaking of pbpa, where the calendar books?!
And even longer at this rate with no contract. That retro check will be real nice, but hey...god knows when we would even get it.
Kevin Graham was told Time and again to “ intervene “ in the consent decree. Each time he was assured by Lisa Madigan who lied repeatedly that he would get the “carve out language .” The Dean crew ensured Kevin that he was doing the right thing and even voted to pull out of the decree. Dean , Gb , Rs , Kr , Kh, Bb , Pd, Jc , to name a few . This is all on Kevin ! He was told by far too many people to intervene and he listened to not one person !
Blah Blah Blah, If you think anything is going to change what these pols are going to do to this department you are kidding yourself. Calling out people before the end result is premature and stupid. And again how many of you awesome bitching and moaning show up tk the FOP meetings to see what is actually going on? Unless you are 1 of the 100 same people each month that show up to the meeting or the 2 or 3 that come to the board meetings please calm down and relax. The end of the world is no where near.
Even if we intervened do you really think Rahmbo and Madigascar were going to negotiate in good faith. I believe they showed their true colors by leading the FOP to belive it was doing the right thing.
My fart is louder than our FOP
The Board discussed this at the Sept 2017 Board Meeting. Greg Bella made the motion to not intervene at that time. Kevin listen to bad advise.
Graham is in over his head. Oftentimes does not have a clue.
However, on the flip side, there is a golf outing coming.
Perhaps kevin did listen to one person, the mayor.
The FOP has caused more damage and cost to the members beginning with M.D. and B.D. These two freaks still run the FOP and Kevin is the puppet. This is a well known fact. The Board is a collage of misfits who have their own agenda. Everybody there, elected and appointed to the Board believe they are so important. They forgot what a "union" is and what it stands for.
My advice is for them to stop pretending to be a politician and get down to business, stop the bullshit and start thinking like a working copper.
Oh yea, one last thing, disband the political endorsement committee. No person in their right mind would look for an FOP endorsement. This is your "kiss of death".
There should be a daily update from FOP on the contract.... its a high priority or priority #1. We have 3 vice presidents.... what do they need a 4th?
The FOP is totally useless in all negotiations and anything else with the exception of golf outings and fund raisers. They do not have our interests at heart and never will, they seek only to enrich themselves and get a better assignment or promotion, same as any other politician. We need Teamsters, MAAP anyone who doesn't have a self interest and not connected to the job.
Anonymous said...
Uh-oh. Who dropped the ball? And, was it intentional?
Are they trying to stab Kevin Graham in the back like they did Mike Shields?
Agu-liar is back at that building …
This will continue to happen as long as we keep voting for the same people, or new people backed by the good ole boys club. With the election a year away, I hope everyone does their due dilligence and votes for the best candidates, not the ones that have been around forever or are backed by Angelo, Donahue, Graham, Dogherty, shields, Aguilar, etc.
It’s clearly not working.
Is there any way we can get professional negotiators instead of P.O. blowhards.
When are you guys going to realize that FOP is compromised and nothing more than another bunch of city hall sycophants.
Time to kick them to the curb and join another union if you still want to pay dues.
Find another union that will take you, that shouldn't be that hard after all you represent a lot of dues money. Then hold your new union leaders feet to the fire and make them do more than organize a golf outing. You haven't had a real union in a long time if ever.
Is anybody even working on this “consent decree?” Rahm pushed for the AG’s finding before Trump took over and nothing has been done since. It goes to show that it was purely a money grab. If Hilary won Rahm would have lobbied for millions of dollars to enforce the decree but Trump and Sessions called Rahm and the for AG out on their bs and stated CPD does not need a consent decree hence they will receive no Federal Funding. Funny how all of a sudden it’s not so important any more. Lisa Madigan jumped in at the last minute probably at the behest of Rahm thinking they can make Springfield come up with some money to enforce a decree. These things cost tens of millions of dollars. More officer, much more supervision and lots of training. Unless they wait for a Democratic President and AG I doubt it will even happen. If it does it will be some watered down version so it doesn’t cost big money. Hell we can barely stop, arrest and get charges on anyone now. What’s next, take away our guns???
Before CPD I was a member of Teamsters and Steekworkers unions. The unions have outgrown their usefulness. This ain’t the Industrial Revolution of the late 1800’s anymore. The unions have devolved into politically influenced groups (pro lefty) and are in bed with the companies, they are not advocates for the workers anymore. They look out for themselves and protect the connected, and in some cases are involved with organized crime, who use the union dues funds as their piggy bank. FOP is just as phony.
Jiminy Cricket said...
And even longer at this rate with no contract. That retro check will be real nice, but hey...god knows when we would even get it.
1/03/2019 02:57:00 AM
What planet have you been living on? The retro check will suck because they will put the raises on the back end of the contract. Look for 0% first year, 0.5% raise second year.
Did the FOP not intervene because of ignorance or was it intentional? Either way they should all be voted out!
My guess is the membership was sold down the river by the FOP. Watch where all these fools land when they are gone. Graham will have a nice job somewhere enjoying his house in the suburbs.
Yeah, well, they throw a really nice golf outing. (sarc/off)
I say let’s join the teamsters— we need a new union
Come on kevin why are you so stupidly (barry obama word) quiet? have you and your team been promised something the backdoor way? waht happened to "bellowing bella" the big mouth real quiet now greg but the again after this incident we can see why:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-police-union-sues-burge-attorneys-over-fees-20120210-story.html
Excerpt:
On Jan. 28, 2011, Gamboney submitted a bill to the FOP’s former third vice president, who is also named as a defendant in the lawsuit, requesting $203,500 for legal services and additional expenses for work performed outside the scope of the appeal, according to the complaint.
The former union official, Greg Bella, then authorized the payment even though the union says it did not owe Gamboney any money, the lawsuit states.
*$200,000 of our money greg and you gave it,then your back in the hall, we need an audit forensic of "our money" kid!
Anonymous said...
Uh-oh. Who dropped the ball? And, was it intentional?
Are they trying to stab Kevin Graham in the back like they did Mike Shields?
Who dropped the ball?
Well that would be none other than kevin graham.
He was told and told to get involved and he Kept reassuring the board that he was negotiating with Lisa madigan and we were gonna get the carve out language and all would be fine. 4months 5months 6 months later kevin was still saying All is fine we are close to a deal, Why does it take 8 months to get 4 words on paper? Because lisa was jagging him off the whole time. Some board members knew this, but kevin chose to not listen. Now this is squarely his doing. So when that fat fucker gets to your roll call and tells you that "I TOLD THE BOARD TO ACT AND INTERVIEN" that is a big fat lie. Throw this loser out of office next election. All he does is hinder everything that murray,bartlett and prieb try to do. Probably the worst president fop has ever had. Just colossaly dumb and a liar. I dont think anyone realized how much of a pussy he really is.
And since im on a rant lets talk a little more..
The FOP needs to be rid of Dan Herbert.
FOR GOOD.
Not only is he a horseshit attorney but
He was caught STEALING from you the membership. AGAIN. Ask mike shields why he was fired the first time.
And has the balls to get on TV sun-times and tribune and cry poor that the fop is doing him wrong??
Has tiffany van dyke commenting on the terrible fop.
For the record, this board did EVERYTHING it could for Jason.
Most if not all board members ponied up their stipend check for jason at xmas time, gave him extra money here and there. We tried.
1.5 million dollars in legal fees.
Dan was offered extra help from other EXPERIENCED attorneys pro bono. He refused all of them because of his arrogance and pure greed. Kevin has completely mishandled this as well like he does every fucking thing he touches.
I can go on about all this shit, but at the end of the day when we have to concentrate on this bullshit we dont serve the membership properly. And thats what kevin graham will never understand because he was never a real cop.
Don’t be so quick to blame the FOP this time. There is no way the fed, State , courts, advocates, etc. wanted FOP’s input. What the fuck does “waited too long” even mean? The courts are saying “Sorry FOP, but we are too far along, we don’t want to start over again”. “ What kind of a fucking bullshit justification is that?
The court’s ruling makes zero fucking sense to me
Kevin isn't gonna do anything..He is owned by the Mayor..His inactivity is proof that that he is the Mayor's Bitch...
FOP is very busy putting together the annual golf outting. Please understand that such an event can only be successful if you dedicate all of your resources. Come on guys!
They used to say” we have to pick our battles with the city” “ we have to get along with the mayor”. Yes indeed, but this battle should have been fought hard on day one. Playing nice has won the membership nothing. They should have gone full flamethrower on this day one. We are on the right side of this argument.
Looking forward to hearing lots of posts from rich agulair shifting the blame to other people since he’s has a lot of down time making captains salary sitting in his office even though there is no room in the budget for a 7th field rep.
When the words "Consent Decree" were first spoken, FOP should have been demanding a seat at the table.
DId FOP think it would just go away?
If some sort of oversight of the schools was proposed, you know the teacher's union would be on top of it.
In my 22 years otj, it's obvious the union is and has always been useless or serving their own and the city's interest. FLOP....
Your all just now waking up to the fact that the FOP has been stealing your money for years. You need to decertify and start over with a very proactive union voice. What is it going to takend, or maybe you all like th3 pizza and golf outings.
Cannot beli3ve that in the entire CPD ranks there is not one smart articulate cop unafraid to rock the boat type that could be elected to represent you. Just One? Guess not because you keep electing these do nothing, go along to get along hacKS. Then you all stand back and wonder why no one is raising a voice defending you. Wake up and take back control of the FOP. It may already be to late but you need to try.
Let them have a decree.
Watch how crime will really go out the window.
I'm sure their always on time booking the air fare down to Florida and other destinations.
Speaking of pbpa, where the calendar books?!
1/03/2019 01:26:00 AM
They are waiting until the end of 2019 to print them so there will be no mistakes!
Kevin, the moron, listened to Dean, Greg, and Dean's lawyers. Nice going, numbnuts! One term!!!
We have been without a raise for 2 years. Yet the F.O.P. trutees voted themselves a raise. $700 a month now to go to a meeting and have a free lunch. Smart and senseable board members voted no, but of course were out voted. Lets call for a roll call of the vote at the next meeting. But hey they are working for us. Unreal. Kevin wake up and stand up for the members.
Same old bullshit time and time again. When will the blue shirts learn to band together?
Sometimes ya gotta wonder how efficient and prepared the FOP7 is considering all the “experienced” staff that’s been there for years and years.
Caught sleeping at the wheel, internal self-serving sabotage or flat out lied to by the City/State (always a possibility).
I’m not saying it’s an easy job, but how’s picking up the phone and seeking real help and assistance when dealing with a corrupt city representatives.
The ConDecree is a legacy item for Rahm-Madgroin and was likely come anyway with the help of the Dem appointed, tolerant and welcoming Cook Co court.
As for a Contract, looks like The Elon MuskRat Love Tunnel will have a better chance of getting one first ($1bil) from Rahm’s 48 Yes-Vote Council consignatory before he leaves in May.
Us... not so much, leave that to the generosity of Broom Hildawrinkle.
Shields is who brought the idea to file the motion, it's on record at a meeting. Graham doesn't trust others in the office and he took advice from the wrong people who probably want to take over. They told Graham what to say to the coppers when they call the office. It's all on record.
Maybe Eddie Burke will use his voice 75 years old now the graveyard full of skeletons can be revealed tell them Eddie:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-alderman-ed-burke-charges-20190103-story.html
Feds charge powerful Ald. Edward Burke with corruption
Is this a reason rahm quit?
Coming from someone in the know, you guys are missing the forest for the trees. The FOP should have intervened right away TO DISMISS THE CONSENT DECREE IN ITS ENTIRETY. Only the Feds have standing to enforce the consent decreee. That ended with Sessions being appointed. Read the original complaint the State filed. The State claimed standing to enforce the consent decree because they pay medicaid. I'm not sh!tting you!!!
It goes like this (the state's claim to standing) ------> CPD unlawfully shoot and injure people -------> many of those people shot are on medicaid-------> those people use medicaid when shot------> the state pays part of that medicaid-------> the state has standing to enforce the consent decree to stop the CPD from unlawfully shooting people.
Y'all might think I'm making this sh!t up. Go look at the original complaint. Any dime store lawyer could have gotten this case dismissed based on the State's lack of standing IF the FOP had intervened right away. Many of the current FOP wanted to intervene right away. However, lawyer Fioretto convinced Kevin and the Dean crew that it would be a bad idea and the board had enough votes to vote against intervention. I believe Fioretto was fired over it.
The FOP works for the Mayor, period. As long as the FOP receives pay from the city, nothing will ever change. Get it!!!! Their lucrative pay comes from the city!!! Not the membership!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Kevin Graham was told Time and again to “ intervene “ in the consent decree. Each time he was assured by Lisa Madigan who lied repeatedly that he would get the “carve out language .” The Dean crew ensured Kevin that he was doing the right thing and even voted to pull out of the decree. Dean , Gb , Rs , Kr , Kh, Bb , Pd, Jc , to name a few . This is all on Kevin ! He was told by far too many people to intervene and he listened to not one person !
1/03/2019 03:36:00 AM
Election time must be coming up, throwing each other under the bus! Was this posted by a retired trustee who only wears black?
My squad car is a rattle trap with 100,000 miles on it, do you think Graham can get some new cars put into the contract just like Dean did? SMH
Rewind to September 2017 FLOP Board Meeting: Some of the Board wants to intervene in the consent decree litigation. But Greg Bella makes a motion that the FOP stand pat and do nothing. The motion passes, something like 18-9. Check the minutes!! All those that voted to do nothing should resign, and do it now. Starting with you, Greg. Go away, already.
The board members who voted to withdraw from the consent decree litigation are;
Dean Angelo
Greg Bella
Jay Ryan
John Capparrelli
Mike Garza
Dan Gorman
Ron Shogren
Pat Duckhorn
Ken Hauser
Bill Burns
Harold Brown
Those board members who voted to continue with the intervention are;
Pat Murray
Mark Donahue
Mark Tamlo
Andrew Cantore
Sergio Escobedo
Mike Underwood
Fernando Flores
Rick King
Dan Trevino
Absent members
Bill Dougherty
Jim Jaksavitch
Joe Gentile
Carlos Salazar
Frank Quinn
A 2/3 majority was needed to overturn the previous motion to intervene. The motion to withdraw from the intervention failed.
With all the cop bashings and suicides the least we deserve is a timely and fair contract!
It’s my understanding that a few others on this thread already mentioned: Graham was told by Prieb and other executives that he needed to act and failed to do so. With that, and numerous other decisions, Graham has shown that he’s controlled by entities that don’t include the membership of the FOP. It would help if, in the next election instead of fractions of finger pointers, those who are left there work together for the membership and not for their own personal and/or political agendas. The FOP’s numerous fractions are an illustration of how a bargaining unit should NOT be operated.
for the guys talking about pushing the contract out further so they get a big retro check after they retire be aware the city has a precident on fucking retirees. in 2003 the city announced they were to lay off as many as 10,000 city workers. the republicans in springfield helped the unions engineer a buy out. way more than expected took advantage of the buyout so little richey rich gave us a couple going away presents. the retirees did not get any retro at all. the coalition negotiator signed off on it saying daley would hold up the entire contract city couldnt afford it. so my partner stayed and got 4700.00 retro and i got nothing.same hours worked under the same contract. our union guy got a big promotion and raise and retired a year ago with one of those half million dollar pensions that made the papers a few years ago that no one in springfield or city hall could remember who sponsored the bill or voted on it. daley also paid off all accrued vac and personal days at a much lower rate than we made, going back to arcane titles we were hired at 30 years before for equip we no longer had or used. that one has been in court for 15 years, we won but city appealed it so it languishes in the injustice system while our attys bill hours. watch these snakes they seem to relish fuckin the guys on the bottom of the pay scale. dont assume you can retire and get your retro when the contract is finally ratified. they have set a precident for what its worth. and dont let the fop tell you the city cant afford it, i lost my retiree ins too but when senor trump put a travel ban in effect at ohare tiny prancer came up in one day with 30 million for free lawyers for any foreign citizen who felt like settling in the land of milk and honey, shitcago. watch these fuckers they cant be trusted. good luck with your well deserved contract.
FOP is about as powerful as the student council of a jr. high school.
For all you Blog FOP experts here are the facts on the Consent Decree. It was discussed in depth at the Sep and Oct 2017 Board Meetings. After getting recommendations from the FOP attorney (Fioretto)to not intervene there was a motion made by Greg Bella and 2nd by Frank Quinn "to stand pat in the Madigan Lawsuit against the City. The vote was 19-8 with 19 members voting not to intervene. The 19 Board members who thought not intervening was a good idea were Angelo, Bella, Brown, Burns, Cantore, Capparelli, Duckhorn, Escobedo, Garza, Gentile, Gorman, Hauser, Jakstavich, King, Quinn, Ryan, Salazar, Shogren, Trevino. The 8 members that wanted to intervene were Underwood, Tamlo, Prieb, Murray, Mette, Flores, Dougherty and Donahue. These attorneys need to be replaced. You union members need to decide at the next election who was voting in your best interests.
Shields is who brought the idea to file the motion, it's on record at a meeting. Graham doesn't trust others in the office and he took advice from the wrong people who probably want to take over. They told Graham what to say to the coppers when they call the office. It's all on record.
1/03/2019 01:16:00 PM
Mike Shields should have never lost the presidency. He was innovative and did his best for us. The expressway ad signs were genius. The other faction wanted him out for their own purposes so they set him up. Then we were "blessed" with Deano, now Kevin. With a little bit of luck, Mike Shields will run again. And, no, I am not Mike nor any of his family or friends. He would not know me from Adam, but from what I observed, he was the best FOP #7 President bar none, and I worked with them all.
Regarding if we should have intervined to stop consent decree with state it would have been in vain. Look at the Federal Top AG Jeff Sessions general as guide to outcome of that. Keep voting liberal/ progressive stay on plantation black officers. Beisdes you don't want to change your cloud of thought right?! Ask Thomqs Sowell.!
I’ve had it with this FOP. I think we should start looking elsewhere for representation. Sure can’t do much worse.
Dumping Delta dental for another company and pushing Aetna for health insurance was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me.
Why don't the FEDS go after Michael Madigan !!!!!!
Heat up the tar, and get the feathers ready. We’re coming for you, Squire!
Aetna is run by Dan Herberts college roommate . Enough said !
Anonymous Anonymous said...
For all you Blog FOP experts here are the facts on the Consent Decree. It was discussed in depth at the Sep and Oct 2017 Board Meetings. After getting recommendations from the FOP attorney (Fioretto)to not intervene there was a motion made by Greg Bella and 2nd by Frank Quinn "to stand pat in the Madigan Lawsuit against the City. The vote was 19-8 with 19 members voting not to intervene. The 19 Board members who thought not intervening was a good idea were Angelo, Bella, Brown, Burns, Cantore, Capparelli, Duckhorn, Escobedo, Garza, Gentile, Gorman, Hauser, Jakstavich, King, Quinn, Ryan, Salazar, Shogren, Trevino. The 8 members that wanted to intervene were Underwood, Tamlo, Prieb, Murray, Mette, Flores, Dougherty and Donahue. These attorneys need to be replaced. You union members need to decide at the next election who was voting in your best interests.
1/03/2019 09:43:00 PM
I am saving this post on my computer and will reference it, and will vote accordingly, next time an FOP election ballot arrives in my mailbox.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I’ve had it with this FOP. I think we should start looking elsewhere for representation. Sure can’t do much worse.
Dumping Delta dental for another company and pushing Aetna for health insurance was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me.
1/03/2019 11:33:00 PM
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
With all the cop bashings and suicides the least we deserve is a timely and fair contract!
1/03/2019 07:35:00 PM
Why, never got one before
Anonymous Anonymous said...
My squad car is a rattle trap with 100,000 miles on it, do you think Graham can get some new cars put into the contract just like Dean did? SMH
1/03/2019 05:02:00 PM
Just like Dean did. Probably if the FOP would spend what was it $9000 to repair his FOP car and then give it to him when he leaves the FOP
I encourage any members to attend our next board meeting 08Jan at 1000hrs and put the heat on graham
Legal Malpractice missed deadlines file a lawsuit against the FOP this is just as bad as when "Mikey likes it" Shields screwed up the retro pay.
Anonymous said...
Why don't the FEDS go after Michael Madigan !!!!!!
1/03/2019 11:34:00 PM
He is in the same special club as the Clintons untouchable.
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