Not a Good Trend
Yet another suicide, this time up north.
Worked in 007, but detailed out to 35th and Michigan.
Whatever the Department is doing to combat cops killing themselves, isn't working.
Worked in 007, but detailed out to 35th and Michigan.
Whatever the Department is doing to combat cops killing themselves, isn't working.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
115 Comments:
Sorry for your loss. I know the pain.
--retired CFD
So a while back this officer was having some trouble and ended up with Eap. So what does the now indicted commander and weasel tac lt who is now at gang intel do? They dump him from tac and put him on the watch working the wagon. What fine leadership skills shown especially by the lt. The same one the denies he worked at iad. So keep in mind officers at homan dont seek help or he will try and dump you also or dime you out to iad.
Agreed.. please stop showing the damn suicide streaming video at roll calls.
The fact is the dept and the city for that matter really don’t care about us. They’re just words, empty words. They treat us as the real bad guys in society being responsible for all the city’s problems. If they really meant what they said they would at least stop being so adversarial towards us on every little thing. No contract and probably wont have one for at least 2-3 more years. How many more coppers are we gonna lose? Hell they took away our healthcare. The fact is no one and I mean no one cares about us expect maybe the guys we sit next to in the squad or at roll call. We are on our own, that’s it.......
Rest In Peace Brother. I really wish you would have reached out to someone! As I’ve heard before, you picked a permanent solution to a temporary problem. It’s simply not worth it.
Rest In Peace brother.
This fucking department sucks, supervisor attacking a hard working po, yes I just witnessed today a supervisor in 11th yelling at a po, and that guy is a hard worker or as some might call him a hard charger. No wonder there are POs not doing shit. Leadership is the problem.
Its NOT just the Chicago Police Dept. It's this shitty city and having to live here!
I've sat on the floor, rocking myself, for hours on end on holidays when it seemed the world was doing just swell without me. No one called. No one cared if I was alone. No one thought I mattered enough. And it hurt so badly, sometimes it was minute to minute for me.
What would have helped? If somebody noticed. If somebody had the decency to seriously invite me to share a table with them (no, not 'you know you're welcome any time', but a real, personal invitation).
The few people who barely got a whiff of something being not quite right made offhanded comments like 'count yourself lucky, the holidays aren't all they're cracked up to be' or 'maybe we can get together after the holiday's over'. Not helpful, guys. When someone feels so alone and so empty, you really DO have to make the effort and extend yourself.
I was lucky because I had dogs and I felt a responsibility to them. Otherwise, I'd have been one of those names in the paper for one or two news cycles.
Pay attention to people in your life who've had huge losses, or divorces, or life changes. They may be able to put on a brave face to make it through the tour, but don't be lazy and dismiss them as being okay. The shiny lights and the Christmas carols and the parties all remind them that they aren't PART of it and it can be bitterly lonely and confusing for them.
I've plowed through my stuff and I have a new life and the holidays aren't the hell they used to be, but you'd better believe I KNOW what each and every person I care about is doing for holidays and birthdays, because it's a lot easier to insist they come to my home for a holiday meal than it is to go their funeral and know I could have made a difference.
5 clinicians for the 3rd largest Dept. In the country? How many people assigned to the force review unit only to sit around and Monday morning quarterback officers? Lemme guess, “peer support” was on scene, right up until overtime started.
So sad. I hope you find the piece you couldn't find in this life. RIP
Again I say, saying it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem is just plain stupid. Anyone who can say this has no clue and has not felt the level of despair & pain that is life for some.
02:24, my days are the same. I'm very happy for you & pray that each day you have the comfort of someone to love & someone to love you in return.
RIP my brother, you deserve the rest.
So awful. Once again the CPD leads the nation in officer suicides. At least 60 percent greater than all others. Spokesman Ed is useless and just a rahm mouthpiece. I have said it before, shift millions of the budget to officer health and wellness. Don’t stand up and tell me we hired another one clinician. We are beyond the breaking point now. Shift tens of millions to officer wellness. If it must come from community relations funding, so be it. We are part of the community OR Since it is so important to bullshit the public on a daily basis Eddy, just tell them we are shifting tens of millions into neighborhood relation, just don’t tell them for what.
Supervisors step up when needed and address the problem. Worry about the officers health before his or her response to calls. WTF. I’m tired of reading about this.
FOP? Do we need to reach out to the National group to hear you address this on a weekly basis? Come on Assholes step up. If you can’t talk about it, hire an expert in police suicides that can.
None of us want to read about another loss this month, but if we all remain silent, we will.
I wish I knew the name of the poster of this comment. I’d like to shake his or her hand. Thank you.
Anonymous said...
I've sat on the floor, rocking myself, for hours on end on holidays when it seemed the world was doing just swell without me. No one called. No one cared if I was alone. No one thought I mattered enough. And it hurt so badly, sometimes it was minute to minute for me.
What would have helped? If somebody noticed. If somebody had the decency to seriously invite me to share a table with them (no, not 'you know you're welcome any time', but a real, personal invitation).
The few people who barely got a whiff of something being not quite right made offhanded comments like 'count yourself lucky, the holidays aren't all they're cracked up to be' or 'maybe we can get together after the holiday's over'. Not helpful, guys. When someone feels so alone and so empty, you really DO have to make the effort and extend yourself.
I was lucky because I had dogs and I felt a responsibility to them. Otherwise, I'd have been one of those names in the paper for one or two news cycles.
Pay attention to people in your life who've had huge losses, or divorces, or life changes. They may be able to put on a brave face to make it through the tour, but don't be lazy and dismiss them as being okay. The shiny lights and the Christmas carols and the parties all remind them that they aren't PART of it and it can be bitterly lonely and confusing for them.
I've plowed through my stuff and I have a new life and the holidays aren't the hell they used to be, but you'd better believe I KNOW what each and every person I care about is doing for holidays and birthdays, because it's a lot easier to insist they come to my home for a holiday meal than it is to go their funeral and know I could have made a difference.
1/02/2019 02:24:00 AM
The City stopped caring in the early 90's.
Alot of lip service.
With the blatant corruption lack of promotions and the obvious manpower issues its is a powder keg for depression.
Keep in mind that the newer generation have very poor coping skills and horrible human interaction skills. The issue of everyone gets a ribbons is not how this job works.
Expect this issue to continue.
Holidays are a bad time for many.
Buddy you will be missed. It seems like yesterday working New Years Eve 2015 with you...you wore a ski mask and cracked some jokes. You will be missed.
Well, the department isn't doing a damn thing for 005..on top of everything the district has endured-- they send us a softball ass Commander-- he can't make a decision, afraid of decisions, scared of his own shadow...then his loud mouth nasty ass secretary talks to p.o.'s like shit..then his 2nd watch crazy ass lt. barks out every morning how she is gonna write you up and discipline p.o.'s for stupid shit -- therefore, setting the tone for the day...GET RID OF THEIR ASSES BEFORE SOMETHING ELSE GOES WRONG IN 005.. WE BEG OF YOU!! This is what's wrong with the damn leadership in the department--- people promoted way beyond their capabilities.
Another horrible story and total failure of all involved. This Department is a disgrace.
When someone feels so alone and so empty, you really DO have to make the effort and extend yourself.
Your post hit me hard. I was in a rough spot mentally two years ago. Really felt the walls coming in and Just struggling with everything. At my lowest had an ex said my attitude wasn't good so they left me.
Thankfully had someone reach out and was able to overcome a lot of things. Happy to report things are much better. Leaving cpd helped. Went to a smaller agency. The next step will be leaving law enforcement.
Dont brush off those that are having trouble. Telling them to just get over their problems never helps. Actually just sit down with the person.
Please post the number for the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline 1-800-273-8255 on this post. My prayers for the officer and their family.
We have five or six different units that oversee EVERY action a policeman takes on and off duty. Each unit has to staff at least 30 people, again to scrutinize each and every action of the police officer; to Monday morning quarterback for hours the actions that took less than 15 seconds on the street. No counting the “community” and “media” backlash and bullshit.
Yet for the mental health needs of these same Chicago Police Officers, there are a total of 5 “clinicians” who are assigned to “help”. And then you’re brought to EAP for help and your LT outs you and dumps you.
No one gives a fuck about us. Take that to the bank.
This is just tragic. My condolonces to his family and friends.
Suicide is not the way out.
Anonymous said...
This fucking department sucks, supervisor attacking a hard working po, yes I just witnessed today a supervisor in 11th yelling at a po, and that guy is a hard worker or as some might call him a hard charger. No wonder there are POs not doing shit. Leadership is the problem.
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RIP Office.
20 years ago EVERY supervisor treated PO’s like shit. It was like some sick, twisted fucking game to them-especially when you were right out of theacademy. They could smell the new leather and NEVER let an opportunity pass. They took great pride in being assholes when you had the audacity to not know where or how to sign in at court, how to pick up evidence at ERPS, or dozens of other situations that a brand new copper would have no idea how to handle.
Part of me thinks that is partially the reason some coppers treat the public and fellow officers that way. It’s how they were treated, so since someone in authority was an asshole to me, than I will be an asshole to those “under” me
This department Combats Officers, literally. And yes, stop the stupid suicide streaming videos at roll call. Time for a new pony trick, this shit, like the rest of our "video" compliance training doesnt work and isn't enough.
Anonymous said...
This fucking department sucks, supervisor attacking a hard working po, yes I just witnessed today a supervisor in 11th yelling at a po, and that guy is a hard worker or as some might call him a hard charger. No wonder there are POs not doing shit. Leadership is the problem.
1/02/2019 01:10:00 AM
Give us the Initials and rank of this "Bully Bosshole" supervisor.
I was the victim of such an assault by the Legendary " Bully Bosshole" LT J.R.A.(ret) many years ago in 011. He was berating me over some Bull Crap, until I suggested in a stern voice that we go out in the lot and finish this conversation. The look on his face was priceless, he turned around and walked into the WC office and he never said another word to me. When you do this make sure no other witnesses are nearby, these wimps will not know what to do and back off.
My prayers go out to the officer and his family who cared about him.
So I have read the comments. Advocate for each other. Be there for each other. EAP is there to help. Every district has peer support members. Talk to them. If you don't want to talk to someone in your own district or unit you can talk to some in another unit. Reach out. There are options. If you know someone in distress say something. Call me. I will listen.
This is an epidemic here,and any other epidemics things are done to stop this, but here the same old bosses,the same old elected democrats and of course the same old tired pathetic democrat owned media just bastardize and despise law and order!
May he RIP,so many heroes so much pain may God help out CPD!!
Another brother may he rip in God's house. this is happening way to frequently and how is the department addressing this? The way we are treated is worse than scum felons who are being pandered to constantly. People like Eddie and his entire crew of exempt overpaid,do nothing clowns need to resign and hopefully the next mayor cleans that house.
I've sat on the floor, rocking myself, for hours on end on holidays when it seemed the world was doing just swell without me. No one called. No one cared if I was alone. No one thought I mattered enough. And it hurt so badly, sometimes it was minute to minute for me.
What would have helped? If somebody noticed. If somebody had the decency to seriously invite me to share a table with them (no, not 'you know you're welcome any time', but a real, personal invitation).
The few people who barely got a whiff of something being not quite right made offhanded comments like 'count yourself lucky, the holidays aren't all they're cracked up to be' or 'maybe we can get together after the holiday's over'. Not helpful, guys. When someone feels so alone and so empty, you really DO have to make the effort and extend yourself.
I was lucky because I had dogs and I felt a responsibility to them. Otherwise, I'd have been one of those names in the paper for one or two news cycles.
Pay attention to people in your life who've had huge losses, or divorces, or life changes. They may be able to put on a brave face to make it through the tour, but don't be lazy and dismiss them as being okay. The shiny lights and the Christmas carols and the parties all remind them that they aren't PART of it and it can be bitterly lonely and confusing for them.
I've plowed through my stuff and I have a new life and the holidays aren't the hell they used to be, but you'd better believe I KNOW what each and every person I care about is doing for holidays and birthdays, because it's a lot easier to insist they come to my home for a holiday meal than it is to go their funeral and know I could have made a difference.
THIS! I felt this way this last xmas, I was told I was lucky to be able to he alone. It sure didnt feel lucky, sitting around with my dogs. Stopping in to Facebook, seeing everyone married, with a newborn or a young kid who is enjoying the holidays. Meanwhile I'm home alone, no wife, no kids, no family. Yeah, I feel so lucky. (Rolls eyes).
Fortunately I know the holidays will pass, this feeling will still be there but not nearly as bad during the day to day life.
We all need to remember, people you know just might be fighting a serious personal battle.
May you find the peace that was not available to you in this life.
Thank you for your service. Rest in peace.
May G-D have you in his arms. Too young!
Bless you Officers
Take care of yourself, self-care: diet, reduce alcohol, excercise, travel, new hobbies people and seek out new employment. You are more than qualified! but this job has become like teaching. They want young, 4-5 years max on the job then bring in new ones to pay less. This is will never be a career as in the past. THey broke CPD on purpose. They use superiors to unjustly attack good Officers.
We need to band together and just respond to calls and on view crimes enough of the numbers game. They run the districts like a sales office. What does a blue card do to keep the citizen safe ? We need big time over haul.
02:24 AM
That should be a mandatory reading once a month.
It’s not that we don’t care, but that we forget.
"The fact is the dept and the city for that matter really don’t care about us. "
Yes there is a segment in this city who doesn't care about CPD, and yes they are loud. You spend the majority of your working hours dealing with the denizens of society and don't get to interact with the good people near enough. But there are many more good people in the city who see what is going on and fully support CPD. Please, please, please know that by far, the majority of citizens respect, support and care about every single one of you. I know one comment in a blog is not going to make a real difference but please know that we do care and there are many of us. Your brothers and sister in blue care. If the job gets to the point where you are considering a permanent solution, seek help, quit the job if necessary. We need each and every one of you in this world.
Just a citizen...
02:24:00 AM: Ditto and Amen.
The fact is the dept and the city for that matter really don’t care about us. They’re just words, empty words. They treat us as the real bad guys in society being responsible for all the city’s problems. If they really meant what they said they would at least stop being so adversarial towards us on every little thing. No contract and probably wont have one for at least 2-3 more years. How many more coppers are we gonna lose? Hell they took away our healthcare. The fact is no one and I mean no one cares about us expect maybe the guys we sit next to in the squad or at roll call. We are on our own, that’s it.......
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Very true. Nobody except our close friends and family care about us. The media has succeeded in making the police out to be the bad guys, as they continue to martyr bad guys like LaQuan, Michael Brown, Sandra Bland, etc; etc. And anyone who keeps bringing in numbers and thinks for a second that anyone above a Sgt cares anything about you in this department needs a reality check. Not one exempt cares about anything or anyone except their gold star pension. The sooner the average p.o. accepts this, the better off they will be. And the FOP needs to stop being so corrupt and step up on this residency issue. The quality of life in Chicago sucks, and department members should have the option of living outside of this shithole if they chose!
"This fucking department sucks, supervisor attacking a hard working po, yes I just witnessed today a supervisor in 11th yelling at a po, and that guy is a hard worker or as some might call him a hard charger. No wonder there are POs not doing shit. Leadership is the problem."
Ok Mr. self centered this is about a fallen officer who felt he had no other options but to take his own life. But unfortunately your comment is part of the problem you made this about yourself. Just do your dam job and stop expecting a pat on the back. The boss is probably scolding you idiots for "Hard Charging" wake up and smell the coffee kid.
Guys please reach out. Reach out to that guy you sit next to in roll call. Reach out to the Supervisor you trust. It doesn't matter who but reach out to someone.
This Department doesn't give a shit. Nobody at 35th street gives a shit about anyone but themselves. They'll jump through hoops for a politician but won't give you the time of day in an empty hallway.
Kids (3-10 years old) have been killed in this city for the past 40 years. I don't know the number but it has to be at least 30 in the past 20 years. The papers report it for a few days then it's over. CPD does nothing because the politics and politicians have our hands tied. This does not go on in other Cities. I'm surprised an outside news agency never did a story on young kids that are murdered here. Bottom line is if they don't care about a 5 year old killed, they're not going to care about a police suicide. Please watch out for each other.
RIP BROTHER.
Anonymous said...
5 clinicians for the 3rd largest Dept. In the country? How many people assigned to the force review unit only to sit around and Monday morning quarterback officers? Lemme guess, “peer support” was on scene, right up until overtime started.
1/02/2019 02:38:00 AM
Boy does that tell you all you need to know about how much you matter to the City and the Department. Make sure the NOBLE members get promoted, make sure every useless supervisor in IAD gets a take home car, make sure each Exempt has three desk dollies to do their bidding, make sure every ghetto rat gets free breakfast/lunch/dinner/midnight snack, and so on and so on. Just a few reasons why this administration gives a shit less if you swallow your piece. Also, bare in mind that EAP reports to the one and only useless "Pillows" Barb West.
This Dept doesn't care about the Officers, don't trust EAP!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
5 clinicians for the 3rd largest Dept. In the country? How many people assigned to the force review unit only to sit around and Monday morning quarterback officers? Lemme guess, “peer support” was on scene, right up until overtime started.
1/02/2019 02:38:00 AM
According to an earlier comment, he was involved with EAP.
WTF is going on , time to go on a 12 hour shift 3 days a week
do as little as possible
too much pressure from politicians , community activists and young punks
criminals are always the victim , victims and police are the bad guys
citizens get a ccw , protect yourself
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Rest In Peace Brother. I really wish you would have reached out to someone! As I’ve heard before, you picked a permanent solution to a temporary problem. It’s simply not worth it.
1/02/2019 12:41:00 AM
Wasn’t he active with EAP?
CPD should go to a ten hour , 4 day week with rotation
maybe 6-1600 hrs and 1600-0200 hrs
Officers that need straight afternoons could work power cars 2100-0700 hrs
these younger kids need guidance , 3rd watch 90% rookies
You need old timers to reenforce the "it's all Bull Sh-- Kid"
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The fact is the dept and the city for that matter really don’t care about us. They’re just words, empty words. They treat us as the real bad guys in society being responsible for all the city’s problems. If they really meant what they said they would at least stop being so adversarial towards us on every little thing. No contract and probably wont have one for at least 2-3 more years. How many more coppers are we gonna lose? Hell they took away our healthcare. The fact is no one and I mean no one cares about us expect maybe the guys we sit next to in the squad or at roll call. We are on our own, that’s it.......
No one care?. What about family, friends , neighbors, relatives, etc? Many of us realize city and CPD don’t care and don’t expect them to
It’s something you have to deal with. How many companies or businesses really care about their employees? Not many, if any. Relax about the contract Going back decades it’s taken at least two years or more to get a contract and don’t think that it’s going to change anytime soon
Try to relax and enjoy what you have and not work yourself to an early death over things you can’t change.
Take care of yourself and other officers and live to enjoy many years of your well deserved pension
Anonymous said...
This fucking department sucks, supervisor attacking a hard working po, yes I just witnessed today a supervisor in 11th yelling at a po, and that guy is a hard worker or as some might call him a hard charger. No wonder there are POs not doing shit. Leadership is the problem.
1/02/2019 01:10:00 AM
Lol... this hard working 011 copper worked so hard it took him 3 hours to do a 8 bag weed pinch.... hahaha. All the whole he was screwing his fellow officers whom he had to relieve at a detail. I say kudos to the Sgt to call that BS out. I enjoyed it. Wish we had more sgts to check these 3yr wonders I have 10+ on and this cry baby has 2.5 yrs on and thinks that bringing in movers and parkers is real police work. Officer “hard worker” doesn’t even realize the whole watch has labeled him a one way asshat. Lol.
This fucking department sucks, supervisor attacking a hard working po, yes I just witnessed today a supervisor in 11th yelling at a po, and that guy is a hard worker or as some might call him a hard charger. No wonder there are POs not doing shit. Leadership is the problem.
1/02/2019 01:10:00 AM
As a stupidvisor myself the fastest way to lose everyone’s respect is to motherfuck someone in front of everyone. That shit is totally uncalled for and infractions warrant corrections in private and in a respectful manner which includes no fucking yelling. There’s nothing on this job worth yelling at another officer unless you’re on a traffic stop on the highway and then you gotta yell for anyone to hear shit. I don’t know how the troopers do it out there.
What was the beef about anyway?
Anonymous said...
This fucking department sucks, supervisor attacking a hard working po, yes I just witnessed today a supervisor in 11th yelling at a po, and that guy is a hard worker or as some might call him a hard charger. No wonder there are POs not doing shit. Leadership is the problem.
Lol... I was there for this... what a joke this “hardworking Po” thinks he is. He’s such a “hardworker “ he took 3 hrs to do a 8bag “WEED” pinch. That’s right... 8 bag WEED pinch, 3hrs.... Hahaha. Kudos to the Sgt for calling out this 3yr wonder. He was trying to ride a one hour weed arrest to duck a detail and screwed the coppers who were waiting for him to relieve them. Hahaha. Sgt. Ripped this snowflake a new &:@€*€£!!! We need more of these sgts to check these Snowflakes. Lol. It was funnier live.
20&out.....
So a while back this officer was having some trouble and ended up with Eap. So what does the now indicted commander and weasel tac lt who is now at gang intel do? They dump him from tac and put him on the watch working the wagon. What fine leadership skills shown especially by the lt. The same one the denies he worked at iad. So keep in mind officers at homan dont seek help or he will try and dump you also or dime you out to iad.
1/02/2019 12:17:00 AM
Who’s the weasel tac LT?
Really well said my friend
Phil Cline began a great anti-depression/suicide team towards the end of his career. It was going to work in conjunction with Adler School of Phsyciatry. Jodi Weiss came in and that was the end of that program!!
I’ve got 21 years on and hoping to retire soon. I’ve been on anti depressants for my entire career except for the academy.
So the f what?! Who cares? The department never say anything. They’re doctor prescribed. I picked a shrink out online. They’ve changed my life. My life is good!
My prescriptions paid for by my city BCBS. As they have to.
They pay for my shrink visits too.
My point is EAP is great. A starting point if you need to.
But nothing’s stopping any of us from looking up a psychologist or
psychiatrist through Blue Cross Blue Shield or whatever your health plan,
make an appointment and go. It’s covered. Don’t live in misery.
Things are so much easier to make things better.
Keep it to yourself. Unless you see one of us who’s not himself or herself,
lend them a hand back up. Do it!
Fuck these asseaters we work for.
Fuck this job.
It’s about us. Our family. Our friends.
Hang in there and back each other up.
In every way.
They’re never gonna do shit for us.
We all gotta do it ourselves and help each other.
Life gets better. It really does.
Rest easy brother. Thanks for looking out for the PO’s Lee, it’s appreciated and I hope you’re loving retirement.
Anonymous said...
So a while back this officer was having some trouble and ended up with Eap. So what does the now indicted commander and weasel tac lt who is now at gang intel do? They dump him from tac and put him on the watch working the wagon. What fine leadership skills shown especially by the lt. The same one the denies he worked at iad. So keep in mind officers at homan dont seek help or he will try and dump you also or dime you out to iad.
1/02/2019 12:17:00 AM
Who’s the weasel tac LT?
1/02/2019 02:21:00 PM
TW, he denies his time in IAD because he wants to be “cool”, don’t let his history as a tac sgt, tac lt, or current assignment fool you. His daddy makes sure he gets “cool” spots, but he’s a weasel as the original poster said
Do not trust EAP. Our insurance covers seeing people who can professionally help. Know this, the department does not care about you. The city does not care about you. And I'm sorry to say but the truth is the guy sitting next to you in roll call does not care about you. Having said that please seek help, hit the medical, take some time off, leave for a while (extendable to a year). But don't give them anything. Get a hobby and spend time with your non police friends. The department is done and there is nothing there for you. So find joy in something else.
Agreed regarding the video. Just stop showing it already. It’s fucking depressing and if that’s the best CPD can do, doing nothing would be better. The streaming videos are almost always jokes and this one is just a sad, depressing joke.
Does no one at 35th street have a fucking brain?
Stop the lies. No one ever cared. You are on you’re own
If you “talk” to anybody on the City of Chicago’s payroll about any problems you may have, you’re a fool.
Anonymous said...
So a while back this officer was having some trouble and ended up with Eap. So what does the now indicted commander and weasel tac lt who is now at gang intel do? They dump him from tac and put him on the watch working the wagon. What fine leadership skills shown especially by the lt. The same one the denies he worked at iad. So keep in mind officers at homan dont seek help or he will try and dump you also or dime you out to iad.
1/02/2019 12:17:00 AM
Who’s the weasel tac LT?
Who’s afraid of a big bad (actually tiny & wimpy) WOLF?
You mean the 15 minute video in roll call once a month is not an effective tool to preven suicide?
My Heart is torn over this! Between P.O.'s losing there lives in the course of their duties to Officers taking their lives , I weep! I spent 27 yrs working this thankless job and one of the most important things I learned was this nugget of wisdom: Nothing matters except going home to your Family at the end of the Night! Period.! Whatever you may have second guessed yourself over during your tour , there will be plenty of time to deal W/ that later.Please talk to someone if you are having these Dark thoughts. Rest in Peace Officer. My Prayers are w/ you and your Family.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
CPD should go to a ten hour , 4 day week with rotation
maybe 6-1600 hrs and 1600-0200 hrs
Officers that need straight afternoons could work power cars 2100-0700 hrs
these younger kids need guidance , 3rd watch 90% rookies
You need old timers to reenforce the "it's all Bull Sh-- Kid"
No one has to reenfirce anything. You have to figure it out yourself. If you are too dumb to figure that out, no old timer is going to change your mind
Please reach out for your brothers and sisters and that includes retirees. Thank you
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Guys please reach out. Reach out to that guy you sit next to in roll call. Reach out to the Supervisor you trust. It doesn't matter who but reach out to someone.
This Department doesn't give a shit. Nobody at 35th street gives a shit about anyone but themselves. They'll jump through hoops for a politician but won't give you the time of day in an empty hallway.
1/02/2019 11:30:00 AM
Sounds like you need that time of day. I was always happy they didn’t say anything. Just went about my business and did fine.
And survived without their “hello officer”. Don’t know how I did but it’s possible
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well, the department isn't doing a damn thing for 005..on top of everything the district has endured-- they send us a softball ass Commander-- he can't make a decision, afraid of decisions, scared of his own shadow...then his loud mouth nasty ass secretary talks to p.o.'s like shit..then his 2nd watch crazy ass lt. barks out every morning how she is gonna write you up and discipline p.o.'s for stupid shit -- therefore, setting the tone for the day...GET RID OF THEIR ASSES BEFORE SOMETHING ELSE GOES WRONG IN 005.. WE BEG OF YOU!! This is what's wrong with the damn leadership in the department--- people promoted way beyond their capabilities.
1/02/2019 07:26:00 AM
Man up, if the Secretary talks to you like shit, respond the same. What’s she going to do. Cry to the DC. What’s he going to do? Dump you out of 005? If you allow these two to bully you, that’s on you.
1/02/2019 12:17:00 AM
Who’s the weasel tac LT?
1/02/2019 02:21:00 PM
The original poster said the lieutenant was: former IAD, Tactical Lt. while in 07 with our now deceased brother and is now in Gang Intel. Sounds like TW...
Anonymous said...
"do as little as possible" "No one gives a fuck about us. Take that to the bank." "This fucking department sucks" "The fact is the dept and the city for that matter really don’t care about us" "This Dept doesn't care about the Officers, don't trust EAP!" "You need old timers to reenforce the "it's all Bull Sh-- Kid"
I got tired of cutting lines from each of the above posts. This job isn't what it once was. It's different from when I started. Some of the changes have been for the better, some for the worse. Guess what? That's how it has been across the country. To those who think WE are the only ones going thru this, look at how the country has changed. If you're thinking someone else is going to take care of you and your family, think again. I work to take care of my family. I plan on my retirement. I save for my families educational expenses. I do my best to stay healthy to live better and longer. I don't expect the mayor or supt, to worry about me. I get paid to do a job. It's one I am good at and enjoy. I get my job satisfaction from helping good people and using the full extent of the law to punish the bad. Each of us has to find their own source of job satisfaction and pride in ownership. Believe the media and haters that you're the problem and you buy into it. Listen to this rhetoric and you cant help but get depressed.
EAP useless. Pretended to be helpful and a friend - worst part, we thought they were sincere.
CPD should go to a ten hour , 4 day week with rotation
maybe 6-1600 hrs and 1600-0200 hrs
Officers that need straight afternoons could work power cars 2100-0700 hrs
these younger kids need guidance , 3rd watch 90% rookies
You need old timers to reenforce the "it's all Bull Sh-- Kid"
1/02/2019 01:44:00 PM
Kiss my a** with your 10 hour days.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Agreed regarding the video. Just stop showing it already. It’s fucking depressing and if that’s the best CPD can do, doing nothing would be better. The streaming videos are almost always jokes and this one is just a sad, depressing joke.
Does no one at 35th street have a fucking brain?
1/02/2019 04:34:00 PM
No Kidding! What a terrible video to show at roll call. Our entire room was disgusted and depressed. Do these people running things have any sense? Now go hit the streets with a smile troops.
On January 13, 2017, the DOJ released its report on CPD. In that report, DOJ found that CPD’s officer suicide rate is more than 60% higher than the national average.
Now compare the time, efforts, and money spent on "restoring trust" with the community to helping reduce CPD's officer suicide rate since January 13, 2017.
Unfortunately, it's not one of the top priorities of the City or Department.
20 years ago EVERY supervisor treated PO’s like shit. It was like some sick, twisted fucking game to them-especially when you were right out of theacademy. They could smell the new leather and NEVER let an opportunity pass. They took great pride in being assholes when you had the audacity to not know where or how to sign in at court, how to pick up evidence at ERPS, or dozens of other situations that a brand new copper would have no idea how to handle.
Part of me thinks that is partially the reason some coppers treat the public and fellow officers that way. It’s how they were treated, so since someone in authority was an asshole to me, than I will be an asshole to those “under” me
1/02/2019 07:56:00 AM
Really? EVERY supervisor treated people like shit? I made sergeant in 1996 (over 20 years ago) after 15 years as a P/O in 007. I NEVER treated a P/O as shit. I emphasized at roll call that if they were not sure what to do, call me. I would respond to requests for a supervisor, regardless if it was my sector. The day I retired, (I refused any cake & coffee bullshit) I showed up at 35th street and found dozens of P/O's waiting for me there to congratulate me and thank me for guidance over the years. Don't paint with a wide brush my friend. Not EVERY supervisor shit on people. Some of us, who had done the job, respected you who still do the job!
First off my condolences to the guys family. Hope they someday are able to put this horrendous day past them.
The one thing that the person in charge of all of us can control or help solve, and he refuses to step in.
So with that said let me intro my plan to help stymie some of this shit from happening
Fuck face if you're reading this you can copy paste my plan into a new program and look like a fucking hero
1- Create a fucking group of guys, hostage negotiator, blue shirts, trained civilian therapists to be available city wide 24/7 to respond immediately to a P.O. in crisis to get to the house and immediately get the fucking gun out of the house.
Go through the motions with the person and give them a cooling off period of a day or two and make sure they are good to come back to work. If they are then help them introduced to therapists that can help and slowly begin the process of healing without losing their job or lives. Point is you gotta get the gun outta the house for a 12 hr cooling period. If they are gonna jump or do something else then they're gonna do it and theres nothing you can do about it but at least you tried. By making this shit inconvenient it will put a drastic drop in those numbers we are seeing just because if there's one thing I know is that a gun makes the ultimate decision super easy, and cops hate doing anything that involves work so having to work to end it will maybe get those couple hours needed of breaths and calming moments. No supervisors on scene ever. Look up other depts. They do this too.
2- Those videos in roll call are a fucking travesty and make a mockery of suicide. Straight out of 1989 Donnie Darko you can empower yourself shit is a fucking joke dude. Scrap the fucking video. Actually, top dipshit, you can go in front of the camera and have the balls to admit this place has a fucking problem. And you'll address that fucking problem by utilizing point one. Heres the number to the unit keep it in there and don't ever hesitate to call. Tell everyone to feel comfortable enough to call fellow coppers and utilize them with the unit if need be. End of video.
3- If colleges and high schools can have therapists on standby and brought to campus's when someone writes the word TRUMP on a fucking sidewalk in chalk, you better believe you can send the fucking therapists to the fucking districts when this or something similar line of duty death happens. START BEING PROACTIVE ABOUT THIS YOU DUMB FUCK.
4- SEND A FUCKING EMAIL THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE BOILER PLATE OF THE LAST 129348729347 OTHER ONES. Say something about this officers life as if you gave a fuck and make it at least seem like you even pretend to care.
Do those 4 things and you'll look like a genius without having to do much. Fellow brothers feel ok talking things out with someone from anywhere that you trust to help you. Mental health is as important as your Physical health.
G Night Squad
02:24:00 AM- well said, it’s on each of us to make a differrence, just like on street. Use your ears, use your eyes. Then reach out, your senses are probably right. You want to wait around for the city to do something, seriously...it’s on us. Each of us.
This fucking department sucks, supervisor attacking a hard working po, yes I just witnessed today a supervisor in 11th yelling at a po, and that guy is a hard worker or as some might call him a hard charger. No wonder there are POs not doing shit. Leadership is the problem.
1/02/2019 01:10:00 AM
Lol... this hard working 011 copper worked so hard it took him 3 hours to do a 8 bag weed pinch.... hahaha. All the whole he was screwing his fellow officers whom he had to relieve at a detail. I say kudos to the Sgt to call that BS out. I enjoyed it. Wish we had more sgts to check these 3yr wonders I have 10+ on and this cry baby has 2.5 yrs on and thinks that bringing in movers and parkers is real police work. Officer “hard worker” doesn’t even realize the whole watch has labeled him a one way asshat. Lol.
1/02/2019 02:00:00 PM
3 hours for a weed pinch? You just played yourself son.
3;32, I agree with you. Phil started Peer Support and CIT, which I know is only a start, jodi came in and fucked shit up. One problem is he (ph9l) stole the great idea from lower rank people. before I retired my check always gave money to CPMF. I am not happy that he gets paid the amount that he does, but in the long run it is a good program.
Lol... I was there for this... what a joke this “hardworking Po” thinks he is. He’s such a “hardworker “ he took 3 hrs to do a 8bag “WEED” pinch. That’s right... 8 bag WEED pinch, 3hrs.... Hahaha. Kudos to the Sgt for calling out this 3yr wonder. He was trying to ride a one hour weed arrest to duck a detail and screwed the coppers who were waiting for him to relieve them. Hahaha. Sgt. Ripped this snowflake a new &:@€*€£!!! We need more of these sgts to check these Snowflakes. Lol. It was funnier live.
You can say whatever you want about this guy , but I can assure you that he is not a snowflake. An Sgt J.V needs to relax.
If you are Police, Fire, EMS in this once fine city, the demons ARE going to come. Our bodies are shot from the odd hours, our minds and souls are tired from the nature of our calling. Find outside help, dont be "proud" to ask for it. YOU are too precious to let this bullshit win. Its all BULLSHIT! The only people that matter are family and your partner /members. Get the outside help, its out there for us! If this 20 year " salty dog" can do it so can you! God Bless Us All
Once again...My heart is broken.
RIP son.
Prayers for all.
Signed,
Mom of a cop
I'm backing up what was said by 3:44PM about anti-depressants. One particularly stressful winter I realized that I get seasonal affective disorder, which was made worse one year from divorce. I did some research & asked my doctor for a specific antidepressant based on user reviews & research. It changed my life! I don't know how I suffered all those winters without it. Within a couple of weeks of starting it I was coping better & felt optimistic. Don't be afraid of medication if you need it. If you have allergies it's ok to take an antihistamine. And if you are in a funk you can't physically shake, ruminating, having trouble problem-solving or seeing a solution to your troubles... it's ok to take an antidepressant! Don't suffer needlessly.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well, the department isn't doing a damn thing for 005..on top of everything the district has endured-- they send us a softball ass Commander-- he can't make a decision, afraid of decisions, scared of his own shadow...then his loud mouth nasty ass secretary talks to p.o.'s like shit..then his 2nd watch crazy ass lt. barks out every morning how she is gonna write you up and discipline p.o.'s for stupid shit -- therefore, setting the tone for the day...GET RID OF THEIR ASSES BEFORE SOMETHING ELSE GOES WRONG IN 005.. WE BEG OF YOU!! This is what's wrong with the damn leadership in the department--- people promoted way beyond their capabilities.
The piece of shit secretary is still a blue shirt who’s afraid to work the shirts. F#% her don’t take no shot from her or the commander. Get a number on them, let them explain in writing on her being an asshole. What the worse they could do put you in 005
RIP DS, didn’t know you much but in that little time I was able to know that you were a good dude.. You moved in across the street from me a little over a year ago. Last time I saw you was the day after Christmas and we wished each other a Merry Christmas, which I would’ve known you needed help but everything seemed normal. You ended your pain on this earth and are now in a better place I hope. Now I ask you to watch out for us down here. RIP brother
Your brother in blue and your neighbor.
If you want a good shrink go to Dr. Sharon Saad. She is in Orland Park and really knows how to work with officers. She knows the headaches we deal with and she works miracles. I have sent several coppers to her and all have liked her. She also deals well with the stress we go through in out marriages Her number is 708-460-4840. She is not part of the dept and works great with coppers. You can really open up to her. Please if you need help EAP is great, but if you do not want to go that way please consider calling her. She is that good. This is not an advertisement or any low down shit like that. This is straight up from someone who has gone to her. Be well and Safe!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
So a while back this officer was having some trouble and ended up with Eap. So what does the now indicted commander and weasel tac lt who is now at gang intel do? They dump him from tac and put him on the watch working the wagon. What fine leadership skills shown especially by the lt. The same one the denies he worked at iad. So keep in mind officers at homan dont seek help or he will try and dump you also or dime you out to iad.
1/02
Not surprised. Johnson is getting just was he deserves.
Exactly,no one cares. Even 20 is stressful.
If you really want to help you can start by replacing the director at EAP. The leadership there needs to be changed. Whatever they are doing isn't working.
Getting dumped from a tact team is a gift. Wake up folks.
Twelve years ago I was at the end of my rope and like the others that have shared their stories just wanted to end it but thank God twice I could not pull the trigger because of my children. I used my insurance to seek an outside psychologist who helped and referred me to a Psychiatrist to get some meds to sleep. I tried a couple of Doctors until I found one who I felt comfortable enough to really talk to. (Turns out it was a woman because I didn't want a man to think I was weak). I could not look at her so I just stared at floor and talked. After every session I felt that a weight had been lifted off me and I could breath a little easier.
I went to her for 5 years and learned how to handle issues when things came up. I still get the dreams but nothing like before and now I'm enjoying retirement.
I have to agree with the 005 post. The 2 watches were excused the three days to attend 2 wakes and 2 funerals. Then back to work you go! Nice gesture but Pizzas and FOP books aren’t going to help. There is a pall in that district that hasn’t disappeared. The beatings will continue until morale improves . Female 2nd watch lieutenant is an insufferable micromanager who wants to write everyone up. The front office is..... well no words for that mess. No one really knows what their purpose is or their work hours. The daily work sheets are often wrong and usually dangerously low on manpower. The foot soldiers are trying their best to hold themselves together despite nonexistent leadership and organization. 005 needs a complete leadership overhaul . They need non merit leadership who give two shits about the officers. The ones now only care about their own agenda of getting the next meritorious bump. And it shows ...
I was considering seeing my doc for an antidepressant. I get seasonal depression and this year has been very hard due to recent PO deaths. It’s worse than ever ... question - what happens if I get called to random ? Do I have to carry my prescription? Do I have to reveal why I am taking it ? I think these things are kinda stopping me and others from seeking help ....
This fucking department sucks, supervisor attacking a hard working po, yes I just witnessed today a supervisor in 11th yelling at a po, and that guy is a hard worker or as some might call him a hard charger. No wonder there are POs not doing shit. Leadership is the problem.
Even in roll call we all new this guy was gonna try to get some bullshit to duck the detail. Guy is a Blue Falcon through and through. Thinks he is god's gift to policing. Thanks to SGT J.V. for standing up for the copper that got fucked sitting on that detail longer than he was supposed due to this "hard charger's" 8 bag weed arrest. Hope those bags were dubs cause last I checked under 10grams is decriminalized...
For all you people/folks quoting the DOJ report, did you actually read it? All 164 pages? It's packed with information and ideas but it's also packed with the truth (to some degree). Our Department is fucked! Ill prepared, ill trained, Ill advised, our academy is a joke, our leaders are selfish, over-promoted slobs, and the city paid out $600 Million in lawsuit settlements over a 3 year period (according to the DOJ report). How much did they spend on our training? Not useless streaming videos but actual training? We have been flying without a net for years and now, as a result of the DOJ, we are changing things for the better? BULLSHIT!!!
We are expected to absorb shit, day in and day out, and come out the other end unscathed? We are expected to put our lives on the line for strangers but ignore our fellow officers or even our own needs? We are expected to know everything, understand the unknown and predict the future without hesitation and then be held to higher standard as our "leaders" throw us under the bus to save their own hides? We act as extraordinary humans but we bleed, we hurt and we need, just as others do yet we are expected to be 'better' than that? All these expectations on us with no additional resources, training or help? Seems some of that payout money could be used for better purposes with much greater results.
One suicide is far too many. And I'm not suggesting that we are all teetering on the brink of self-destruction as a result of our profession but we are definitely at a higher risk. The stigma attached to asking for help needs to change. WE need to change. We are not super human. We are super humans doing super things. That balance is delicate and dangerous. Find your equilibrium and make it work for you. If you're having trouble, get some help, ask some questions, find a vent, fix your compass and get back on track.
I can personally attest that this department gives zero shits about any officer or member. I have been through a lot and they never once checked on me or answered my concerns. Eap is a joke. I’ve tried it. They pass the buck. I got help on my own and am still not 100 percent but it sure opened my eyes to the real thin blue line which is horseshit. Bottom line. Don’t do shit anymore. This whole place is shit.
supervisor attacking a hard working po, yes I just witnessed today a supervisor in 11th yelling at a po,
1/02/2019 01:10:00 AM
Really!?!?!?!? Oh Oh my feeling are hurt a supervisor yelled at me, I need my safe space! Effin need to be beat like a red headed step child if you think this is an attack, go be a secretary somewhere if you can't handle being yelled at.
Can anyone confirm with certainty that we can take antidepressants while on active duty ?? I think that’s why so many of us do not seek the help we need. We don’t know what’s we can and cannot do it take and not take while seeking help for depression amongst other mental health issues. No one talks about it.
The BEST person to see is Dr. Robin Kroll she knows the in’s & out’s of the Chicago police dept and all that we deal with from the Dept. or our family or anything else. She truly is the best at what she does. She specializes in Police officers. I’ve seen her many times. She use to be with Dept now she is on her own cuz like many of us the Dept screwed her over. But trust me she only has the coppers best interest & well being in mind. Like the other poster this isn’t some shady shit, only my thoughts of someone who loves police and has helped me, my family and many others like me. You have to use your insurance now because she isn’t listed with the Dept. but that’s even better in my eyes.
Anonymous said...
I was considering seeing my doc for an antidepressant. I get seasonal depression and this year has been very hard due to recent PO deaths. It’s worse than ever ... question - what happens if I get called to random ? Do I have to carry my prescription? Do I have to reveal why I am taking it ? I think these things are kinda stopping me and others from seeking help ....
1/03/2019 10:28:00 AM
If you are prescribed medication from a doctor and are taking the medication as prescribed you have nothing to worry about at random. You don't have to reveal the reason why you're taking it. I've had random a few times while taking meds and was never questioned about it and I didn't tell them anything. Get some help. You deserve it. Good luck.
They do not test for antidepressants. You do not need to disclose you are on antidepressants. Now if you are taking some kind of drug like an amphetamine or barbiturate for your treatment then you need a prescription for it. SAD is a real problem for some people. Go to your doctor and talk about this. Do not wait because there is no reason to wait. Make the appointment get the assistance you need. There is absolutely no reason to keep feeling out of sorts. Most of the stigma is in our own heads. The only people that matter are you and your family and your real friends. You matter and your happiness matters. Make the appointment. You will feel so much better. Do whatever you can to make sure you go to that appointment. Do not cancel or reschedule. Take time if you need to in order to get an earlier appointment. Take a friend with you if you are hesitant. I hope you feel better soon!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I was considering seeing my doc for an antidepressant. I get seasonal depression and this year has been very hard due to recent PO deaths. It’s worse than ever ... question - what happens if I get called to random ? Do I have to carry my prescription? Do I have to reveal why I am taking it ? I think these things are kinda stopping me and others from seeking help ....
1/03/2019 10:28:00 AM
They don't test for antidepressants. If they need clarification on any results, you will be contacted afterwards. That's the time you have to show any prescriptions. Don't offer anything ahead of time. And since you're on city insurance, it can be easy to verify.
Sgt JV, needs to relax.
It's winter and their are ample cars out there.
Atleast the guy is utilizing his cuffs unlike some of the few 10 year wonders on thirdcwatch who claim: Im done.
To the officer who was yelled at by the sgt JV.
All this Sgt wanted to do was try and impress the others around the entire incident.
Some of the veteran officers on your watch probably might have 8-9 years at most and always do absolutely nothing and get rewarded.
F*** them all and continue to make your arrests, if u need help to be faster ask somebody.
“Phil Cline began a great anti-depression/suicide team towards the end of his career. It was going to work in conjunction with Adler School of Phsyciatry. Jodi Weiss came in and that was the end of that program!!”
Why didn’t he continue the program ? Oh that’s right he’s too busy making 6 figures running the Memorial Foundation to augment his 6 figure pension. Phat Phil once a Punk always a Punk.
Remember a key point:
Any good leader or in this case a shitty sgt:
You always praise in front of many and a scold in front of few.
Praise in public and a scold in private.
Typical bad ass sgt.
This fucking department sucks, supervisor attacking a hard working po, yes I just witnessed today a supervisor in 11th yelling at a po, and that guy is a hard worker or as some might call him a hard charger. No wonder there are POs not doing shit. Leadership is the problem.
Shut the fuck up you fuckboy
Thanks to Sgt. J.V. for putting this half a jag off in his place. Now go get your fucking shine box.
How the fuck did a post about an officers suicide morph into my feelings got hurt because the sgt yelled at me. Oh let me guess 5 year wonder and it's all about me all the time.
Anonymous said...
Remember a key point:
Any good leader or in this case a shitty sgt:
You always praise in front of many and a scold in front of few.
Praise in public and a scold in private.---
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Totally agree this Sgt. JV is a tool who thinks he is the ultimate sgt because he is in 011.
Wow - u scolded a guy with 2 years on job. (who cares). Their were probably another 2-3 year wonders working the district that were riding out each one of their jobs for 20 minutes each and combined over a tour that is a lot of milking - but u were to busy being the avid bullshit artist u are and were not paying attention to that.
Go suck it JV - u r fooling nobody - not even the 2-5 year wonders you supervise.
This PO might be a stroke but atleast he is doing something unlike some on the watch who are on food runs for half their shift or are bullshitting in the station - but that is okay for them I guess.
Poor management JV.
Scold in private and praise in public.
1/03/2019 05:46:00 PM
Not to be giving out medical advice: You and your doc know better.
FYI Be careuful with the drugs, side effects, etc.
Do research on alternatives, if possible: One on one therapy, accupuncture, light lamps for SAD, music, hypnosis, meditation, excercise, groups, writing, etc.
Drugs are not magic pills they have side effects.
Really!?!?!?!? Oh Oh my feeling are hurt a supervisor yelled at me, I need my safe space! Effin need to be beat like a red headed step child if you think this is an attack, go be a secretary somewhere if you can't handle being yelled at.
1/03/2019 05:40:00 PM
Maybe if POs had the option of beating some out of line Sgts ass without repercussions,more Sgts would be polite and professional. I'm guessing you wouldn't care for that Sarge.....
"...a great anti-depression/suicide team towards the end of his career. It was going to work in conjunction with Adler School of Phsyciatry. ,,,:
Nonsense--Adler/Diploma Mill created Masters in police Psychology to reward exempts "adjust professorships" and to churn out craploads of master degree holders /sworn members who would not even be accepted at a real school---and of course they were all in the tuition deferment program which allowed them/City to pay after they got their guaranteed A ....and lets not discount how books/materials were included in kickbacks (errr tuition)
Anonymous said...
"...a great anti-depression/suicide team towards the end of his career. It was going to work in conjunction with Adler School of Phsyciatry. ,,,:
Nonsense--Adler/Diploma Mill created Masters in police Psychology to reward exempts "adjust professorships" and to churn out craploads of master degree holders /sworn members who would not even be accepted at a real school---and of course they were all in the tuition deferment program which allowed them/City to pay after they got their guaranteed A ....and lets not discount how books/materials were included in kickbacks (errr tuition)
1/04/2019 10:01:00 PM
Calumet College another Diploma Mill how many exempts have their degrees from that scam school?
Really!?!?!?!? Oh Oh my feeling are hurt a supervisor yelled at me, I need my safe space! Effin need to be beat like a red headed step child if you think this is an attack, go be a secretary somewhere if you can't handle being yelled at.
1/03/2019 05:40:00 PM
Stop crying bro. And if you have something to say stop being keyboard hero and tell him that.
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