BOHICA!
When you can hold children hostage as a negotiating ploy, sawed off dwarves cave to your every demand - we saw it with 9.5, we just saw it again with Groot.
But when you lay your life on the line for others, the mayor shows up at a press conference, chokes up a little bit, maybe sheds a few (fake) tears, and spouts the same narrative about how we should all appreciate those who are all that fold back utter chaos....
.....and you get this in return:
But when you lay your life on the line for others, the mayor shows up at a press conference, chokes up a little bit, maybe sheds a few (fake) tears, and spouts the same narrative about how we should all appreciate those who are all that fold back utter chaos....
.....and you get this in return:
- Mayor Lori Lightfoot deliberately dodged a City Council rebellion by steering clear of a massive property tax increase and using one-time revenues to erase nearly half the $838 million budget shortfall she inherited.
[...]
All bets are off if Lightfoot strikes out again during the spring session — or if the 16% pay raise she gave to striking teachers turns out to be a floor for police officers and firefighters, whose contracts expired 2.5 years ago.
According to the City Council’s Office of Financial Analysis, the budget now includes funding to cover a meager police pay raise of 1.6%.
The FOP hasn't had a Contract in 2.5 years, the supervisors for 3.5 years, and you don't see any Department members grabbing hostages and demanding something even close to 16%.
Maybe it's time to switch strategies?
Maybe it's time to switch strategies?
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
71 Comments:
What a shame .
Let's check those stats and see if crime is indeed down then demand more than the teachers got since they don't pay anywhere near as much into their pensions as t and don't risk their lives at work the way police do.he police do
"When you can hold children hostage..."
As for the CTU strikes, I always held the position to let the wee ones 'remain hostage'.
By some theory, kids learn more in terms of real life skills when not in CPS SJW indoctrination camp classrooms and with old Mr Wizard episodes on DVD and accessible by streaming and the 'university of the internet' search engines for inquiring minds plus good old fashion printed BOOKS you can get cheap from Amazon and give the youth to read, the kids might not be missing out on all that much anyway.
16% but the cover is up... Time for the teachers to kick back and enjoy some box wine.
BOHICA!
Nah... Stand straight, clench and don't flinch or grimace.
Cantazerra for President.
No one cares about us!
“Maybe it's time to switch strategies?“
In labor economics 101 it’s called, limitation of output.
An income tax for all city residents is coming.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crossroads/2019/11/22/20971340/chicago-city-income-tax-municipal-pension-budget-crisis-property-taxes-zotti-city-crossroads
Even the stupid and corrupt journalists are starting to realize it.
Time for FOP to hire real labor attorneys for this contract negotiation.
Retired.38 spl+P
Tax payers cough up more dough... better pick a date to sell your house cause the millennials are not buying shit... too much college debt and they don’t get married
I was worried about Lightfoot... I feared she would not piss away money, not cave to teacher's unions and leave the city worse off financially as she might actually collect solid revenue vis a vis water bills and parking fines plus NOT make inner circle hires which do nothing but cost tax payers an extra $100k or more a throw all while having no way out of the debt spiral but to raise property taxes to the moon.
My fears have been 100% unfounded. Lori is truly a reformer of the and for the ages.
Hey FOP switch strategies or get out of the way. We are at the ass end of Larry's administration. With past experience as our guide, we know you'll role over and get "backdoor'd and you won't even get a courtesy "reach around". You're gonna get dry boned and you'll ask for another. If that happens - a no vote for you.
"Cave in" I doubt it for Rahm or Leadfoot. The CTU is really SEIU a Democrat party money laundering operatios. Groot caved the day the teachers would have lost health care plans and had been forced to individually pay for COBRA insurance. Had the strike lasted longer she would have started gaining traction to win. It was all about the appearance with both the short strikes to get money to the SEIU (Obamas's ACORN) to keep the DNC and donations rolling in. Watch the teachers union dues go up? How much does SEIU give to Democrats and the DNC. It was all a fix and HOAX. 16% for them offered before the strike even began. Now claims nothing left for first responders because Local 2 and FOP combined are tiny next to the SEIU DNC operation. CTU and SEIU are socialist lead radical groups, and Rahm and Larry are in bed with them.
This is embarrassing or it should be, but, you never about the ideals of the CTU socialist.
Check out the tshirt of a smart ass response CTU VP Staci Davis Gates made when answering reporters questions during the 11-day teacher strike. The CTU is promoting it on their Twitter page.
The t-shirt is said to be made by a Canadian company Gildan which has factories in other foreign third world countries with non-union workers
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gildan
The link to buy the t-shirt is on the photo
Syrike tidbit..Steinmetz high school security guard Samuel Pearson was not only a scab during the strike by crossing the line to work and paid to do nothing as there were no kids in the building, he came out from the building and helped himself to food from the striking teachers and staffers food table. Then, took the food back inside and locked school doors so strikers couldn't use any bathrooms. Be careful as we have POs who work in Steinmetz building and around this scab.
The teachers have the optics "it's for the children" more importantly they have very real political clout, a very active and effective lobbying organization, local ,statewide and national, them that has getts, if anybody can come up with a strategy that will work and get everybody on board it hasn't happened yet
The Teachers Union played this one like a fine symphony orchestra. As I said before, when they finished their strike, we would get the scraps. I also don’t want to hear any bullshit like “they can strike” either. They put so much pressure on Groot that she couldn’t wait to settle. Will the FOP call in Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren and other candidates to help? Will they march around City Hall like rabid animals? Will they illicit media support for their demands. The answer is NO....as in NO BALLS. We need professional negotiators like the teachers union has.
Please Sir?, May I have some more?
Excellent heroic police work happens everyday in this city. Our city is protected by a professional dedicated group of men and women. Nobody came on this job to get rich but we all expect a fair compensation for doing our jobs and risking our lives everyday.
As I was listening to the news this morning, they mentioned that police and fire MAY want a raise with their contract negotiations..... How about we deserve it! SMH
Hey GROOT looks like one of those 2 BILLION you let that fucking Rat Fink Rahm spend his final month in office could have come in handy.
Supervisors already had their wages agreed to and ratified. They go into effect 01 Jan 20. 10.5% through 2022. 3% was previously owed for a total of 13.5%. The rest of the contract is pending arbitration. Good luck with that sergeants test boys and girls! It’s a better day, with
E-3 pay!
Fuck you Pay me!
Heard an offer of 10% over 5 years is the maximum. Deal the city will approve.
Please remember to come to lunch with Santa and we have big things planed for next year at the fishing tournament.
1.6 percent just for the year:. Not for the life of the contract.
FOP better show the members something very fucking soon. This has gotten ridiculous. If we don’t go to arbitration by Christmas then Kevin Graham and the rest of them are done! I get that Graham was giving the new mayor a chance but obviously we’re wasting our time AGAIN and getting played Again! The members have had it with being shit on while we continue to come to work(unlike the CTU)and do our jobs without a contract. Kevin we want to give you a second term. You have been fighting for us more than any other president but if you don’t do something fast, you may lose.
Why do you guys keep paying FOP dues when you're getting nothing for it? What kind of union lets you go 2.5 years without a contract?
as a police officer or fire fighter, you have no other strategies. You cannot strike and must go to arbitration. The teachers can strike and they use this to hold the children hostage. The parents need to get to work and do not want the kids on the streets so they march along with the teachers . They also use children in their marches holding signs of support for the teachers. Education is now much more then teaching the basics, it is indoctrinating the young people in social justice warfare and progressive ideas.
That 16% should be a floor.
For cops and fire it is literally the killing floor and I'm tired
of these picketing room rat teachers. In other cities I've
seen them sitting in lawn chairs on the line with a cruiser
in the background for their protection. Enough already.
The teachers have a real union we have a pretend union..... FLOP.
Maybe the FOP can adopt the “its for the children” mantra.
Tiny Dancer also used to use the “it’s for the children” phrase whenever he wanted to shove one of his pet projects down taxpayers throats.
The strategy should be to use the organization’s own rules against itself. We have General, Special Orders and Employee Resources along with Municipal code and State Law which we could use against the city to bring it to the bargaining table. Most of us have completed the Elearning for 2020 Firearms Qualification. Did you know that after you fail the qualification with under a 70% for a second time, you will be enrolled in an intensified class and can not be assigned to Field Duties until you pass? What if everybody had a few bad days on the range? Imagine the chaos that would cause! That is one example of hundreds of using their own rules and policies against them to gain some leverage in negotiations. What do you say? Anybody feeling a little shaky on the range this year?
Mark Donahue the fop"wizard" behind the curtain has realized that we are going to get fucked on this contract and has decided that Kevin Graham " I dont need to live in Chicago " cant win and will not run for re-election!! Word is the guy who doesn't like wearing pants in his office has been chosen by the "Wizard"
LightLoafer turned out to be a real big bullshitter.
Even faster than Rahm or ShortShanks ever fleeced the electorate.
The same Machine parasites that advised finance dipshits Rahm and Shanks have worm holes their way into GrootFoot’s hard shelled, walnut sized, convoluted brain.
They like to refer LightLoafer as “former prosecutor” which doesn’t make one a financial wizard, even ShortShanks has a JD, even was the CC States Atty too.
Something tells me Prickwrinkle is really running City Hall in the shadows and not for the benefit of LightLoafer’s success.
Wonder what third place runner up ShortShanks 3.0 is doing now?
Oh, and we really need that $16 mil Sunday Liberry...especially since CPS libraries aren’t functioning partly because purge textbooks just to update pronouns, highlight historic firsts and undo all the intolerable colonial misdeeds.
Any FOP wage and benefit contract will once again be blamed for the next big property tax increase, it’s an old worn out ShortShanks maneuver.
GrootLoafer was always anti-police.
Sanctuary First.
Hi Y'all,
I did 31 years, paroled in 2012… I left Chicago for a more tax friendly homogenous community to enjoy retirement. So nice now… anyway, not here to gloat, just to remind my LEO brethren that other, better things exist as you go on in life. Chicago is swirling the drain, as you are so aware, and I hold out no chance of improvement as long as democrats continue their throttling hold on Illinois, Cook County, and the once great city of Chicago. These leftists destroy every institution they infect.
Do your time, do your best, and know there is calm, rewarding life after the city.
Go to five,
a retiree
an outrageous raise for teachers. time for everybody to hit the medical roles at one time.
Actually, the Steinmetz/Pearson story is the best one I heard about the strike. Good for him.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Why not a recall on city treasurer that used tax payers money for her private security. Where are all the DemonRats that want reform , save money for the children..? Corrupt politicians in Chicago and cook county . Where are the Feds?
Anonymous said...
Tax payers cough up more dough... better pick a date to sell your house cause the millennials are not buying shit... too much college debt and they don’t get married
11/26/2019 02:48:00 AM
I don't want to be paying $2000-3000 a month in child support and alimony stay single be free!
You want to shake up the city of Chicago and its mayor?
Organize mass resignation of at least half the members of the department.
It comes down to this: The teachers can strike and we can't. Plain and simple. They get what they want and we get crumbs. I don't care who is the FOP's Labor Attorneys are. If you don't have the hammer then you get crumbs. This is a fact of life. Until the Police get the right to strike we get what the major wants to give us.
This group at the FOP is an absolute joke. The last thing on their mind is getting the contract sorted out.
I heard a rumor that the FOP and the city have nearly reached a tentative agreement: We're looking at a .0009% raise over 11 years, Kevin Graham will personally come to every roll call and gently massage your shoulders with his mustache, and all department members will receive a free "I <3 Chicago" button. Oh yeah, you will have to contribute 120% to your pension and live within 50 feet of the district station in which you work.
Cantazerra for President.
Ummm...no.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Supervisors already had their wages agreed to and ratified. They go into effect 01 Jan 20. 10.5% through 2022. 3% was previously owed for a total of 13.5%. The rest of the contract is pending arbitration. Good luck with that sergeants test boys and girls! It’s a better day, with
E-3 pay!
So they are good January 1 but also have me too in case FOP wins a larger pay increase. A win win for them, not so much for us
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Excellent heroic police work happens everyday in this city. Our city is protected by a professional dedicated group of men and women. Nobody came on this job to get rich but we all expect a fair compensation for doing our jobs and risking our lives everyday.
Used to be that way. Not anymore
Anonymous FLOP said...
Please remember to come to lunch with Santa and we have big things planed for next year at the fishing tournament.
11/26/2019 08:02:00 AM
The FOP is experiencing mission creep. They need to get back to the basics of fighting this city tooth and nail on every issue affecting us, and not worry about golf outings, barbecues, and Christmas parties. We are going backwards in these last few contract negotiations, going to arbitration, and getting screwed in the end by some political flunky arbiter. Maybe patrolman should be weighing new options for representation against the city. Yes, it's all legit kid.
It doesn’t matter if there wasn’t a murder all year. We are the enemy and you can not pay the enemy. Maybe Dart will send over some pizzas.
Heard a story that the mayor has officers shoveling the snow in front of her house, including the 14th district commander. This shit needs to be reported to the IG’s office. Unbelievable!!!
OT:
https://www.policemag.com/531324/oklahoma-officer-indicted-for-murder-in-killing-of-active-shooter
Where do I get an “ I ❤️ Chicago” button? ♠️
Why do you guys keep paying FOP dues when you're getting nothing for it? What kind of union lets you go 2.5 years without a contract?
So many people are leaving the union.. The union phoned the swamp and had madigan pass this in order to make it harder for you to leave!
Leave while you can! These assholes are so arrogant they are going against a supreme court ruling!
:
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/illinois-house-passes-bill-to-make-it-harder-for-public-employees-to-leave-unions-recover-fees/
Get what the hell we can get. Go for the throat.
You blue shirts should hang around the CPS and see the no sticker vehicles. Run em, and you will see they live in Chicago and dodge the fee. Their D/L also has a Chicago address.
These Lenin, Marx and Stalin lovers hate the police and would fuck you in a second. Never-ever give these slugs a play. If their old man are police, fuck him too. They have lied on coppers to no end.
1.6% is/was the cost of living increase for 2019. So it’s really not even a raise. Just treading water.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You blue shirts should hang around the CPS and see the no sticker vehicles. Run em, and you will see they live in Chicago and dodge the fee. Their D/L also has a Chicago address.
These Lenin, Marx and Stalin lovers hate the police and would fuck you in a second. Never-ever give these slugs a play. If their old man are police, fuck him too. They have lied on coppers to no end.
11/26/2019 07:52:00 PM
SO write them. They would snitch on you.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Heard a story that the mayor has officers shoveling the snow in front of her house, including the 14th district commander. This shit needs to be reported to the IG’s office. Unbelievable!!!
So do bs comments
1.6% that doesn't even cover half the tax increase for my home, that I'm required to maintain in the city.
The Keesing Bandit said...
Actually, the Steinmetz/Pearson story is the best one I heard about the strike. Good for him
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
11/26/2019 11:16:00 AM
Here's your chance to Kees Pearson. Pearson and his Steinmetz janitor and security pals like to tip red solo cups the day before bird day in their secret handout room while the kiddos fly all over the palce. Maybe you can split a cup of stay hard gin with Sam as that's his fav.
LL will also come after manning for both cpd and cfd. The fire side is gonna lose that 5th man in my opinion, and cpd numbers will probably go down also.
Part of the problem that we have in trying to get a decent salary increase is all the "benefit" money that the city says we get: uniform allowance, duty availability and for the bosses the supervisor's quarterly. Also there is the unlimited accumulation of comp time (another deferred comp program in reality). These "bonuses" are always touted as a reason to keep the yearly salary increase lower than other unions.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT:
https://www.policemag.com/531324/oklahoma-officer-indicted-for-murder-in-killing-of-active-shooter
11/26/2019 05:51:00 PM
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You know I have been thinking about this - the whole Van Dyke thing and shooting an offender - a decision the jury later thinks is "unreasonable." My beef is with the word "unreasonable." think about it - the line between a good shoot (where a cop is doing what he is paid for and taking a dangerous felon off the street) and a bad shoot is whether the jury finds it 'reasonable." Every other legal standard is a real standard. For murder "intent' is required, and I think 'recklessness' is also part of the murder statute. Reckless means who knew of, or a should have known of the risk of your act, but you committed the act anyway, even though you did not intend the result. That;s like the guy who shoots into a crowd, he does not intend to kill, but reasonable man would have known the great risk of death by such an act, and committed the act anyway. He is guilty of murder because his act was reckless. Now second degree murder only requires that it be 'unreasonable.' No mention of intent, recklessness, or even negligence - just 'unreasonable." I have a huge problem with that standard when you are on the line for murder. "unreasonable" to me means 'ya, I kind of wouldn't have taken that course of action." It's like choosing between Cherrios for breakfast or corn flakes - a somewaht arbitrary standard. The Il Legislature should change the standard to 'reckless' at the very least. Just a thought.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Heard a story that the mayor has officers shoveling the snow in front of her house, including the 14th district commander. This shit needs to be reported to the IG’s office. Unbelievable!!!
11/26/2019 05:47:00 PM
If you're going to troll and make stuff up, at least try to be a little believable.
Cantazerra for President.
Ummm...no
Keep my name out of your mouth....
Until you spell it right!
John CATANZARA 008
Not so fast about sucking down stay hard gin in red solo cups with Sam Pearson at Steinmetz:
“Since the establishment of OSP, Steinmetz staff have reported incidents using proper protocol in a timely manner," according to the statement. “As part of its commitment to provide targeted support, the Office of Student Protections will provide additional training to the Steinmetz school community."
The letter that went out last week to Steinmetz parents was about a security supervisor (Pearson), though it didn’t include his name or job title. It stated that a staff member had “engaged inappropriately with a student" and had been removed from the school while the Office of the Inspector General had opened an investigation.
Without elaborating, CPS officials said the security supervisor faced “allegations of inappropriate conduct involving a student" and was removed without pay. The impacted student’s parents were notified, and the Office of Student Protections and Title IX was connecting with the student.
“Please know that we are taking this situation seriously, and we remain committed to providing our students with a safe, positive learning environment where they can reach their full potential," wrote the school’s principal, Jaime Jaramillo. "While I am unable to discuss details regarding the investigation, I am always available to discuss steps the district takes to keep students safe and matters related to your child.”
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-cps-steinmetz-college-prep-high-school-staff-removals-20191127-gal4rvrlpva7bfnh7s5csulo4m-story.html?fbclid=IwAR1K1WMmvkuE5mqzEQUQ2J5oJC1-paDPIOp31MBOFtrhqdUDZj-Z5F5y5AY
Speaking of shoveling, many years ago after a real bad blizzard they bought a snow shovel for every car in the district. Then they came to roll call and wanted the p.o.'s to dig out the rear of the vehicles so the license plate was visible so the car could be ticketed and towed. The plow wash by these cars was waist high and they were like little igloos and this shit was hard as hydraulic cement. After the boss walked out of the roll call room we were laughing so hard half of us were literally crying. Even the little suck ass watch snitches realized that this was a FUBAR house mouse plan. Ahh, the good old days.
"...now is your chance to kees Pearson..."
The more you tell me about this guy the more I like him.I
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Speaking of shoveling, many years ago after a real bad blizzard they bought a snow shovel for every car in the district. Then they came to roll call and wanted the p.o.'s to dig out the rear of the vehicles so the license plate was visible so the car could be ticketed and towed. The plow wash by these cars was waist high and they were like little igloos and this shit was hard as hydraulic cement. After the boss walked out of the roll call room we were laughing so hard half of us were literally crying. Even the little suck ass watch snitches realized that this was a FUBAR house mouse plan. Ahh, the good old days.
Must have been after my time in the districts. Bosses and many were idiots and even they wouldn’t have pulled a stunt like that. And the guys in roll call wouldn’t have waited until the boss left to break out laughing. At that time even the bosses wouldn’t embarrassed themselves with the snow shovel idea
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Speaking of shoveling, many years ago after a real bad blizzard they bought a snow shovel for every car in the district. Then they came to roll call and wanted the p.o.'s to dig out the rear of the vehicles so the license plate was visible so the car could be ticketed and towed. The plow wash by these cars was waist high and they were like little igloos and this shit was hard as hydraulic cement. After the boss walked out of the roll call room we were laughing so hard half of us were literally crying. Even the little suck ass watch snitches realized that this was a FUBAR house mouse plan. Ahh, the good old days.
11/28/2019 03:13:00 AM
Even better, after the blizzard in Feb 2011, an email was sent to everybody asking department members to volunteer shoveling out CTA stops and crosswalks.
Even better, after the blizzard in Feb 2011, an email was sent to everybody asking department members to volunteer shoveling out CTA stops and crosswalks.
11/29/2019 12:03:00 P
And I’m sure everyone ignored the email
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT:
https://www.policemag.com/531324/oklahoma-officer-indicted-for-murder-in-killing-of-active-shooter
11/26/2019 05:51:00 PM
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You know I have been thinking about this - the whole Van Dyke thing and shooting an offender - a decision the jury later thinks is "unreasonable." My beef is with the word "unreasonable." think about it - the line between a good shoot (where a cop is doing what he is paid for and taking a dangerous felon off the street) and a bad shoot is whether the jury finds it 'reasonable." Every other legal standard is a real standard. For murder "intent' is required, and I think 'recklessness' is also part of the murder statute. Reckless means who knew of, or a should have known of the risk of your act, but you committed the act anyway, even though you did not intend the result. That;s like the guy who shoots into a crowd, he does not intend to kill, but reasonable man would have known the great risk of death by such an act, and committed the act anyway. He is guilty of murder because his act was reckless. Now second degree murder only requires that it be 'unreasonable.' No mention of intent, recklessness, or even negligence - just 'unreasonable." I have a huge problem with that standard when you are on the line for murder. "unreasonable" to me means 'ya, I kind of wouldn't have taken that course of action." It's like choosing between Cherrios for breakfast or corn flakes - a somewaht arbitrary standard. The Il Legislature should change the standard to 'reckless' at the very least. Just a thought.
11/27/2019 11:11:00 AM
reasonable gets you an award and unreasonable gets you a prison cell
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