That Chase
We had a couple of emails about that chase in 011 the other day that ended with five cops hurt:
- it began as on-view shots fired, with a rifle involved;
- the car is the one that rammed a squad up in 016 a few days prior;
- the occupants are wanted for approximately 90 ATM robberies;
- they're also part of the O'Hare carjacking crew, stealing multiple cars at a time
We know these are mostly property crimes, so we aren't endorsing chases out of hand, but ramming an occupied squad crosses into the "justifiable" category. We guess you have to be your own judge of what you're willing to risk, personally and professionally.
Labels: info for the police
posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
55 Comments:
Off topic. Dear inside people, you cant have lunch on the end per g/o. Leaving and swiping half hour early everyday is against g/o. The system shows "unknown swipe" which is just as bad as not swiping at all.
We all chased for far lesser reasons back in the day but we did not crash into each other or crash period with the frequency that has been going on in that District.We all knew that once we engaged in the wild chase that we absolutely had to catch the bad guys.I know easier said then done but those were the rules of the game.
rammed a squad in 016 ?
Only 90 ATM robberies? Wonder if Crimesha's faux threshold for felony prosecutions on ATM robberies is an even hundred? If so, these poor, misguided yufz won't even get any time at all.
Yeah, I guess it was worth the chase and the chopper.
Rifle involved, 90 ATMs, airport carjacking. FBI stuff.
So, bottom line, these guys still on the loose?
The problem is two fold: This county has fostered a very hands off, hug a thug, non pro active police environment. It’s beyond the point of being even re-active to crime. It’s ‘be extremely careful in how you attempt to get these dangerous people into custody’ because anything more than having them willingly surrender to you with padded soft white leather gloves can land your ass in call back, get you sued and or fired. As you will be the only one held accountable should anything go less than perfect. The second issue is: 011. In and of itself has turned into a complete rookie district. With very few veterans if any there left to guide these newbies on how to do things. One of them being how to drive a squad car fast but with at least some regard to traffic, obstacles, possible blind hazards etc ... Add to that the fact that many of the new recruits the academy is churning out these days are know it alls. Couple years in and they’re expert policemen. With all this you have the perfect conditions for disastrous things to happen and people getting hurt. I’m not even going to mention these jack off bosses demanding activity who could care less about the wellbeing of the troops so long as they get their numbers up so they can kiss ass and look good at Compstat.
These bad guys need to be hunted down.
If the Police Officers involved in the crash new of the history involved then Bravo for trying. Those that would remain fetal knowing the history involved and still sat on there ass and did nothing please turn in your badge, you are not Police.
So five guys hurt in chase, did they get Caught? Was it worth it?
Still like an episode of a Keystone Cops movie no matter the reason for chase. Learn to drive defensively.
We all have a job to do and took an oath. We also have an expectation that our employer will back us up as we perform our job. Blood and guts police work will always be criticized by people who have never done this job and get to monday morning quarterback everything which we do. As you go home at night after your shift and look at your children sound asleep in their beds, you come to the realization that if you take that risk and lay it all on the line the consequences could be disastrous for you as well as your family. Your damn right it's an individual decision whether to take that risk, for a police department who doesn't have my back and a civilian oversight agency that would love my head on a silver platter.
When you say an ATM “robbery”, does that mean robbing people who are using the ATM? Because it would also consider that good reason to pursue. Or were they burglarizing they ATM? I haven’t seen either in the paper so I don’t know.
Just shot/stabbed/seriously wounded or killed a police officer, that's what is justifiable for me. Not... crashed a car a few days ago, psmv, robbery, uuw or even shots fired
The game has completely changed. Your intentions and the arrest might be good, but if you violated policy, they WILL still shove it up your ass. Don't believe me? Just try it.
Shit, department says 4 broken windows in Cell phone stores are not connected !
Cannot see the tress or the forest here in ChiRaq
Fuck that stay fetal don’t do a dam thing let this city burn to the ground
SCC, if that crew has guns in the commission of those crimes, they're not just "property crimes". Those are murderers just waiting for an opportunity should anyone get in their way. They need to be stopped at all cost.
The best part about all of this......I haven’t heard a single thing about that vehicle. Isn’t that something you might want to let every officer know? This car is willing to ram officers, steal 90 atm machines, and be a part of a carjacking crew. How about sharing some information from time to time.
What's an ATM robbery?
How times have changed.
"90 robberies...mostly property crimes."
Robbery is now considered a property crime - I suppose because the state considers citizens to be property.
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Reply to; Anonymous Anonymous said...
We all chased for far lesser reasons back in the day but we did not crash into each other or crash period with the frequency that has been going on in that District.We all knew that once we engaged in the wild chase that we absolutely had to catch the bad guys.I know easier said then done but those were the rules of the game.
11/25/2019 12:25:00 AM
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We also felt comfortable and was expected to use whatever means necessary to stop and apprehend them regardless if they were hauled on a gurney or body bag. Citizens expect and deserve to be protected from violent criminals.
It is what it is.
Officer crashing ...happens every year go to the medical section and you will see them walking very slowly(forever).
God forbid you kill an pregnant Asian executive
God forbid you hit some school kid because now a days you will be indicted.
Drive a little slower the partner that always wants to drive is likely the person who is scared to write paper and rarely takes any extra training courses.
People DON'T always pull over and stop for LIGHTS AND SIRENS!!!!
The day the city has our backs I'll go back to being the Police.
No it wasn't worth it I dont care how many times they throw in "High powered assault machine rifle" into it.
I wonder how many day and PM watches even have a copper who checks out a rifle or brings his own? We have to many guys who think their handguns are enough yet they can't even shoot their handguns worth a shit. We even have qualified ones who wont check one out out of fear of looking to "Policie" and being laughed at by the dog ass's on the watch. Or they fear looking impolitic in this chickenshit outfit. If they even have the carbine program going anymore and If you can even find a car with a rifle rack that actually works.
Ask Dallas PD if that weapon is an edge or not. On 7-7-16 they had 5 POs killed and 9 wounded by one racist nut job with a long gun and they had to kill him with a robot bomb, and brother if you think command is going to roll out a robot bomb then you be first thru the door cause your expendable.
We dont even have a fucking working robot let alone a bomb.
Remember if your race is blue then your hated and your life means nothing in a city that is rapidly becoming a 3rd world Narco state ran by cop hating Leftist shit bags.
Anonymous CCDOC said...
Off topic. Dear inside people, you cant have lunch on the end per g/o. Leaving and swiping half hour early everyday is against g/o. The system shows "unknown swipe" which is just as bad as not swiping at all.
11/25/2019 12:08:00 AM
Not for inside people. Rules don’t apply. Ask the commander
Are you sure these guys weren't heading to the cook county assessors office, to pay a back tax bill for a orphanage?
How do you rob an ATM? Are the committing armed robbery of ATM patrons?
When I eye witness a drive by the chase is on.
Nope. I have a wife and kids. I work as a cop for money and insurance only. Stop trying to save the 011th district and the city of Chicago. It’s not savable. Do your job and go home. Only worry about YOU. Your wife and kids will be devastated if you die for another person including another police officer. Selfish?? Yep. But I try not to be selfish and deprive my wife and kids of their husband and dad because of someone else. Sorry, but I’m not sorry. I do my job but I will NEVER fall for this “hero” stuff. It looks great on facebook pages and bumper stickers but this is real life.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
SCC, if that crew has guns in the commission of those crimes, they're not just "property crimes". Those are murderers just waiting for an opportunity should anyone get in their way. They need to be stopped at all cost.
11/25/2019 08:16:00 AM
Says someone who obviously still lives with their parents, doesn’t have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of and has been on the job less than 5 years.
You watch too much television, son.
YOU and your demented thought process on policing in the real world “need to be stopped at all cost”.
Dummy.
Nothing good comes from chases. Unless someone you count the milli9ns in checks the city has written to cover all the bad chase outcomes. Let's see if they have rifles probably out gun you and they probably have armor piercing ammo as well. Still worth chasing. Just the what would you do if you caught up with them, be willing targets. Swat would be minutes away when seconds count. Why not just follow with an unmarked until they stop somewhere then get Swat involved when they ar3 out of vehicles. Better possible outcome.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The best part about all of this......I haven’t heard a single thing about that vehicle. Isn’t that something you might want to let every officer know? This car is willing to ram officers, steal 90 atm machines, and be a part of a carjacking crew. How about sharing some information from time to time.
11/25/2019 08:18:00 AM
You know why you haven’t heard anything about this? Because it didn’t exactly happen as reported. Nowhere near as reported. Everybody thinks they know everything about something, when in fact it’s the blind leading the blind on this job.
These are four or five (or more) different incidents/patterns all rolled into one, bits and pieces of the particulars borrowed from one another to come up with some cockamamie out of control “crew” (you hand jobs can quit using terminology like this - you ain’t Pacino going after De Niro in ‘Heat’, toughguy) terrorizing the city and suburbs.
Unless it directly involve me, my family, loved ones, close friends or good neighbors, these assholes can carry-on carrying on. Don’t take this shit personal kids - until you have to.
Trust me when I say that I used to be the “real police”. Now I’m just the real smart police. This is a job with a paycheck, vacation time and health insurance and nothing more. My job is to get myself and whatever coworker I’m seated next to on any given day home in the same condition in which we arrived for work. Being a Chicago policeman and everything it stood for as recently as even 20 years ago has died on the vine. In case you haven’t noticed it, “they” don’t want us to be the police anymore. Which is fine by me. I make damn good money for doing almost nothing and having very little stress in my life as it relates to my employment. The sooner you hardheaded motherfuckers figure this out, the sooner you’ll get to that finish line unscathed.
If it involved everything you stated, deadly force was authorized the entire time. Shooting at them fits every Illinois statute for use of deadly force. Even supreme court graham vs connor authorizes deadly force.
Whatever happened to the old time advice of, "never be the first car at the scene." even if it's your assignment.
How about the All Call today regarding the FBI Task Force vehicle with gun inside that was stolen from 109th & Talman. When will people learn.
Bo Knows would have caught them without crashing. -EZ
Previous whine...
“...Being a Chicago policeman and everything it stood for as recently as even 20 years ago has died on the vine. In case you haven’t noticed it, “they” don’t want us to be the police anymore.”
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So, “they” don’t want you to be the Police anymore? And that’s, that?
You’re okay with it, Mr 20-year PO?
You roll over and let “them” have their way with you like a little bitch...?
Disgusting.
Use your supposed 20 years of talent to beat them at their own game.
Nobody can outsmart a genuine, well seasoned CPD beat cop. Nobody!
Ranger Bob
11/25/2019 01:48:00 PM
Nope!!! You might he lucky enough to get a vehicle that has a rack with a release system that isnt broke or has been jacked up by dumb coppers that cant take of anything that isnt their own, and even then. Wont check one out from the department because when is the last time you saw someone come in and maintain them. I wont take my own out chancing it being stolen from my crappy rack system in my vehicle which the department will not reimburse you for especially if you have toys on your riffle. All racks in the Fords or crown vic's are in the back making them useless in an emergency. Suburbs have them in the front where the officers can have quick access to then in the time of need. Yeah.. F that I'll keep mine at home where it's safe and I can keep it handy for protecting my family at home and not shit heads killing other shit heads.
“ Drive a little slower the partner that always wants to drive is likely the person who is scared to write paper and rarely takes any extra training courses. “
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You are so wrong on so many levels... Ok boomer.
“Only worry about YOU. Your wife and kids will be devastated if you die for another person including another police officer. Selfish?? Yep. But I try not to be selfish and deprive my wife and kids of their husband and dad because of someone else. Sorry, but I’m not sorry. I do my job but I will NEVER fall for this “hero” stuff. It looks great on facebook pages and bumper stickers but this is real life.”
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Remind me to never ever work with your dog ass.
It’s not about being a hero. It’s about being there for your brothers and sisters in a time of duress. You didn’t have to become a police officer. Please find a new line of work. We don’t need your type around.
Use your supposed 20 years of talent to beat them at their own game.
Nobody can outsmart a genuine, well seasoned CPD beat cop. Nobody!
Ranger Bob
I see reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, huh “Ranger Bob”?
Your half cocked, quasi condescending response to my post bolsters my point. You see, no one is “having their way with me”.
Quite to the contrary, actually. I am having MY WAY with everything job related. And at this point of my tenure, it’s all about self-preservation. I am the ‘Pimp’ and this job is my ‘Bitch’. I control its impact on my existence, not the other way around. I know how and when to play police for the instances that truly call for a genuine police response. Otherwise it’s go through the motions till I get to the finish line.
You know nothing about me past your ignorant inferences gleaned from my posts on this blog. But I guarantee you I’ve been around long enough to know how things work around here and I’m smarter than the average bear.
I’ve also been around long enough to know that anybody who refers to themselves by title and signs off on posts with said title - like “Ranger” - is the quintessential handjob.
Anonymous said...
Bo Knows would have caught them without crashing. -EZ
11/25/2019 08:47:00 PM
Shut up geek. He wasn't shit.
The lawsuit jury will rule against the CPD and Des Plaines police.Juries always do.
Are you sure these guys weren't heading to the cook county assessors office, to pay a back tax bill for a orphanage?
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Post of the week. The you sir/ ma'am.
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
How about the All Call today regarding the FBI Task Force vehicle with gun inside that was stolen from 109th & Talman. When will people learn.
11/25/2019 08:19:00 PM
Can’t be.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Whatever happened to the old time advice of, "never be the first car at the scene." even if it's your assignment.
11/25/2019 07:50:00 PM
Old timer here. Never heard that one and if he did he was a dog and everyone knew it
Sounds more like a recent saying
BOOM!!!!!
IFIYGD took Stranger Danger Ranger Bob to school and spanked his ass in front of the faculty AND the student body!!
Ranger Bob??? LOL 😂
Okay, let us all know when we can buy a benefit ticket after you get sent to call back....such a badass copper!
They were ramming occupied squads at O'hare as well.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Whatever happened to the old time advice of, "never be the first car at the scene." even if it's your assignment.
11/25/2019 07:50:00 PM
Old timer here. Never heard that one and if he did he was a dog and everyone knew it
Sounds more like a recent saying
11/26/2019 04:44:00 PM
I second that. Never heard that. Never saw a working copper do that either.
How about the All Call today regarding the FBI Task Force vehicle with gun inside that was stolen from 109th & Talman. When will people learn.
11/25/2019 08:19:00 PM
Yeah, some County Sheriff's Deputy who was assigned to the "FBI" taste force left his duty weapon, vest, and credentials inside. What in the world was he thinking!? And from the way it reads, he left the door open 🤦🏽♂️. Might as well have posted a sign that read "free gun and vest" on the window.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Whatever happened to the old time advice of, "never be the first car at the scene." even if it's your assignment.
11/25/2019 07:50:00 PM
Old timer here. Never heard that one and if he did he was a dog and everyone knew it
Sounds more like a recent saying
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Yes he was a dog, and it was forty some years ago. Everyone ultimately learned just how wise he was, though everyone, originally, didn't want to work with him for that reason. We learned. He was a prophet ahead of his time.
11/26/2019 04:44:00 PM
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