Really Really Bad Idea
Any Over/Under on the first casualties in New York?
For the first time in the city’s history, Mayor de Blasio announced Tuesday that the new mental health professionals and crisis workers will be the dispatched through 911, instead of the NYPD, to respond to mental health emergencies in two high-need communities -- calling the pilot program a "major innovation."
According to the mayor, the ongoing pandemic "pointed out such horrible disparities that we have to address but it also brought issues to the fore in a new way and nowhere is that more true than on the topic of mental health."
“One in five New Yorkers struggle with a mental health condition. Now, more than ever, we must do everything we can to reach those people before crisis strikes,” de Blasio said. “For the first time in our city’s history, health responders will be the default responders for a person in crisis, making sure those struggling with mental illness receive the help they need.”
Everyone wants to assist the mentally ill. No one wants to see them hurt themselves.
But we don't want to see them hurt anyone else either, and being mentally ill, they don't make that distinction the way others do. Police history is loaded with examples of mentally ill people going from 0-to-100 in an instant - and sometimes well beyond 100.
At some point, some mental health professional egghead is going to meet a 300 pound monster who isn't going to go quietly and won't listen to reason, and then we're going to be treated to the wails of "How could this happen in America?" and "Where were the police?"
And we're going to have to say, "Sitting here in the corner with our Taser, baton, come-along, leg irons, shackles and gun wondering what's for lunch.
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posted by SCC at 12:02 AM
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Welcome to the new world being ushered in by DiBlasio and that drooling idiot Bidet. Once again, I am required to make my observation that democrats are as dumb as a bag of shit. IOt's jsut too bad that they're going to drag us down the toilet with them.
Get some of that Bobby Rush popcorn ready for this shit-show!
"Put down the knife, I'm a mental health professional and I'm here to help"!
"No, please, don't, please, I have a family"! ARGHHHHHHHH!
"Cough, cough, gasp, I regret that I have but one life to give to Dear Leader Lori and the great city of Chicago".......
I don’t know why some coppers are so against this. Please bring this to Chicago. Less calls for me to answer. Social workers will get hurt every so often but I don’t give a shit.
You know what a social worker will do when they meet a mental that’s probably also self-medicated on something & met with refusal to go to the hospital? I’ll bet any money their protocol says call for police assistance. Then when the mental charges at them with a knife & the police have to shoot- that same social worker that called for police assistance is going to be a witness against the police at the murder trial. Bank on it.
could the mental health be needed because of the illegal drugs that were ingested?🤔
You mean the same types of social workers that often fail to detect child abuse & unfound cases prior to some poor kid’s murder.
Oh no no no, this is a fantastic idea. I’ll tell you why. You have thousands of keyboard SJ warriors all over crying for this. Saying how cops only want to maim and kill and that mental health care workers could easily do better. Well, here’s the chance. It won’t be in a clinical setting. It’ll be in several different environment types. Constantly new situations that can’t be as easily manipulated in a clinic. Give them what they want. When they cry for help, and we know they will, look down on them and say “we’ve been defunded”. These morons will learn that everything isn’t so clear cut and dry. Let them learn the hard way. That’s what they want, let em have it.
Said this to a friend who thought dispatch could screen calls for mentally ill calls. I said they would encounter a 300 lb makes guy with a butcher knife in each hand, but it's about the same. Like everyone, we send two officers to 911 hangups, simply because you don't know what you have.
Expecting counselors to handle these calls, and work shift work with coppers, is not very likely.
You mean social workers like the ones that returned Amanda Wallace’s child to her? Or more recently the one that handled A.J. Friend’s case. Yeah, cause social workers don’t have massive caseloads already and never take shortcuts or make bad decisions.
Look at it this way: now the police won’t be the only ones getting sued or being put on trial?
So the powers that be cut all the funding to mental health facilities and programs and put everybody on the street why the fuck don't they just opened up the mental health facilities again and have a place for these people to go
After the 300 lb monster lays into the SJW mental health provider, please take your time getting there once the police are called. Sometimes, you just should let things play out.
My heart breaks for the mentally ill. In my 20+ years I’ve never seen a police officer treat a mentally ill person with anything but sympathy. Even amongst the most hardened of officers. One time we were all beat up pretty bad by a giant of a man who was having a mental episode. When the dust settled there were no hard feelings; only sympathy for the individual’s family. I can’t say I’ve seen that from all of the civilians at receiving at the hospital. There is something special about police officers that I can’t put into words. God bless us and God help us all.
Although the pilot will not begin until early next year, the training period has already commenced, and while the NYPD will no longer be the default agency to respond to mental health crisis calls, they will be part of the response during certain cases, according to Kavanagh.
Cops will still respond. Cops will be the heavy weights when things go bad.
Why is it government’s responsibility to pick up the pieces for 20% of the population b/c they have “mental health issues” - especially when many of these people with mental health issues created the issues through years of voluntary drug abuse?
I don’t want to be cruel, but b/t the illegal aliens financial support, welfare, free medical care etc etc etc .... there’s just so much free shit government can cover financially for people’s poor decisions in life.
So it is official at least 20% of New Yorkers are mentally ill.
I would be shocked if the number was less than half, has to be at least 60% considering how they vote.
You know the first time some over-educated but lacking street sense mental health professional gets assaulted on one of these calls the FIRST FREAKING thing they (and their lawyers) will be screaming to the media is "Where were the police to stop this violent person from assaulting me/my client" followed by "the city should pay damages in the amount of seven figures."
No matter what they are gonna blame the cops right or wrong.
Can’t wait until this dysfunctional program comes here!!! Hell yea we shudnt be handling these jobs really really can’t wait he’ll they can use my squad
So the NYPD will no longer be the default responder to mental health related calls.
Good. A step in the right direction.
But the NYPD will train tens of thousands of officers to deal with those calls.
So who is going to be dispatched when the primary crisis team isn't available? Or they are overwhelmed?
I am surprised that they got people to take that job. Unless they have no idea how dangerous it can be. Especially if you're unequipped to deal with it.
Let's let them have this one. They get sue-happy and prosecute police when they have to put down one of these violent mentals. Let someone else deal with it. They won't be able to, but let's not fight them on it. Let them try. Wish them luck. It shouldn't be our job. And they should be better equipped/armed. But that's not what the morons in charge want. So be it. Let the chips and bodies fall where they may. While we're at it, the police aren't relationship counselors either, so let's send someone else to domestics. There's no reason domestics should be a police problem. If some crime, such as a battery, is committed, then send the police. Random domestic disturbance, baby mama drama, 45 year old son "actin' up," drunk boyfriend won't leave, he callin' me out my name, etc., shouldn't be our problem to deal with. These people choose their romantic partners, or choose which family to allow to live in their homes, despite repeated incidents and clues that they shouldn't keep these individuals in their lives. Then they expect the police to come and constantly bail them out when shit goes south. That shouldn't be an option, and damn sure shouldn't be the default option. Handle your own shit or send in the social workers and counselors. Police should be dealing with crimes.
“One in five New Yorkers struggle with a mental health condition.”
20% of New Yorkers have a mental health condition?
That explains why guys like de Blasio (nee Wilhelm) and Cuomo keep getting elected.
rb
One in five New Yorkers struggle with a mental health condition because de blosio is their mayor. Now
So 911 dispatchers are going to remotely diagnose "mental problems," yes or no, and decide who to send?
Wow.
"He under the doctor fo' crazy" is going to be the new BS to get anyone to come at all...
Have fun.
“Squad.”
“You got the air, Crisis Intervention Team Charlie.”
“Can you send the police to this location?”
“What’s the problem Charlie?”
“This guy is off his meds, he’s threatening to kill his family, kill us, and won’t listen to reason.”
“Charlie, you’re on your own. All units are detailed to the business district. No units to send.”
Screams can be heard over the radio at the call center.
Two dispatchers at the call center look at each other. One dispatcher tells the other, “That’s the third Crisis Intervention Team we’ve lost this week.” The other dispatcher responds, “That’s why they get paid the big bucks for hazardous duty.”
this won't bode well for the lib responders at all,the nice part will be that they will turn conservative after the 1st rape and robbery
OT: I want to thank all the men and women of the military for their past and current service, and never forget all those no longer with us.
At the rate sane people are abandoning NY, those odds will change to 1 to 1, then backwards.
It would be wonderful if it worked, but it won’t, never has, never will. Lots of politicians are going to have blood on their hands.
The police will be called in to mop up the mess after some of these "skilled" mental health professionals get turned into punching bags or get injured trying to wrangle someone out of a house.
Fuck 'em... give 'em what they want.
Pick up a 150# sack of popcorn, and kick back. This is gonna be great!
First time one of those "Mental Health Pros" gets cut, kicked, spit on by an AIDS vic, tossed down the stairs, shot at, has a TV thrown at them, gets hit with a can of veggies, or run over will be the last time for this shitshow... Bet they DEMAND to get sent with a cop after that.
And then my friends, is exactly when YOU tell them what YOU want or YOU'RE NOT GOING.
Anyone got some carmel corn? Maybe some screaming yellow zonkers?
“One in five New Yorkers struggle with a mental health condition. I don't believe a word that comes from Warren Wilhelm, but if that is even remotely true no wonder NY is so f***ed up. All Democrats, no less.
Great last paragraph. However you will be in the unemployment line after they defend the police and get rid of you rather then pay you to sit in corner. Sorry but that is the way this will play out.
Popcorn time in NYC. They just pulled $1,000,000,000 from police budget. Several thousand fewer police in NYC soon. What could go wrong with this plan? Besides that.
Can’t wait till these Bidenites get fucking laid out bleeding in the street......and people are like “what did the police do?!l. “Where are the police?!” Exactly where you wanted us, calling for a wash down. And I’ll sit back, laugh, and eat popcorn while I watch the show, count the shell casings.....and watch the bodies get loaded up. You got what you wanted. Now enjoy it.
I have no stats to fall back on, but I'd be willing to bet if you went through all the police homicides in the last 20 to 30 years, at least 50% were committed by mentally ill people.
One in five (struggles with mental health)?? 20% of how many millions? I hope he's being hyperbolic.
I welcome the idea, it makes my job easier. Some coppers can benefit from those mental health people, we have quite a few nutjobs on the CPD. Shit I might be one for just being on the job the way things are.
After the FIRST Asshole is shot and killed by these poor unfortunate " Nut Jobs " The program will FOLD LIKE A CHEAP SUIT . Because even Mental Health Workers understand that your DEAD FOR A LONG TIME . And for what ? Some asshole who you cant convict anyways because HE DIDNT KNOW WRONG FROM RIGHT ! NYPD should be passing out flyers with the Mayors & Governors address on it .
1 in 5 sounds pretty fucked up to me.
must be something in the water.
I think, it's a great idea ! What credentials are required to be classified, "a mental health professional" ? Who will be dispatched to document injuries they receive, in attempting to "harvest" the mentally ill subject ? Who determines the person is, "mentally ill" ? The caller, the dispatcher ? What if the subject is just, "whiskey crazy" ? Yes, I think this is a great idea. Let's bring it to Cook County.
PS: Have a Nice Day ?
I'm at a loss understanding who has the liability for deciding who gets sent out on the call. Appears a bunch of social workers will have to be maimed or killed before this idea gets another review.
You want to wager on something? We already have “Chicago PD” and “Chicago Fire” TV shows. How long until we have a “Chicago Mental Health Responder” show? It can follow the life of a tattooed, non-binary, bi-sexual with a degree from U Chicago and bright pink hair.
No you fools! She’s actually the ‘responder’! Only she has mental health problems (kind of obviously and not ironically) too and is able to use empathy, big words, and soothing melodramatic music to calm down drug addled nutsos right before the police would have otherwise shot them.
She’d (they’d - remember non-binary) would be hot, so I’d watch it. Kind of like that CSI show with that kinky goth chick.
I can't wait until groot gets this program here in this shithole and remember DO NOT CALL THE POLICE FOR AN ASSIST.
Can you imagine the stupid questions that NYPD officers are going to be forced to ask the new "mental health crisis counselors" when they have to eventually write the reports on the ensuing carnage?
"And you're saying that you didn't think he could actually kill all four of his children with that knife because it looked so small and it wasn't a gun and because he was twenty feet away from them and that there was no way that he could possibly move that fast to be able to stab them all?"
Nah,they will respond, shit will hit the fan, they will be calling a 10-1 or whatever their code is for police to show up, we’ll show up and handle the situation, and they will say we were too heavy handed, didn’t have to taze or shoot the guy, he only had a gun, bat, knife, etc. and they will be the witnesses running to the mayor, COPA, and the media to tell their side of events
I wonder if they are given any authority over the police in mental calls? Like we have to follow their commands or orders if they are on scene?
Hopefully the officers of NYPD respond safely and cautiously to the inevitable calls for assist by these mental health “experts.”
Sadly, the “experts” will claim the program a resounding success because there are only a few cases of violent patients compared
to the overall number of incidents. Just like when the police solely handled the calls.
Now that I think above ur that old tv show, I’d have to say Phoebe was the one on meds. Probably Monica too....... How you doin’????
And the only thing we’ll see in the news are the success stories.
Happy Veterans Day to all of our Military Heroes out there!God Bless all of you and a heart-felt Thank you for your service.
Unfortunately the sjw Biden voting blm ass licking mental health professionals will be killed. Too bad, let it all play out and maybe the morons like Sophia King who is pushing this nonsense here will wake up.
These people aren't going to understand reality when the first team of mental health professionals get themselves beaten, bludgeoned, strangled, stabbed, sodomized, raped and murdered. A whole bunch of mental health professionals will have to be victimized before the politically correct intelligentsia begin to understand reality. By that time, so many police officers will be retired or fired that reverting to a police response will no longer be an option. The homicide rate will more than double.
Think of it as evolution in action.
Will the social workers be in radio-equipped city cars patrolling around like cops? Or will they have to crawl out of their warm beds at 3 am to go to some ghetto crib? Just curious.
The jails and prisons are full of people who need mental health help but can't get it . What is needed are crisis and treatment centers accessible to most people and free for those without insurance. The same goes for drug treatment. More beds for long term treatment. This things will help take away the need to dispatch police or mental health workers to homes with someone melting down. This new NY plan will have lots of problems and I would be willing to bet the city will not share the real statistics or real stories of what happens when a civilian responds to these calls.
“One in five New Yorkers struggle with a mental health condition..."
Proof that liberalism is in fact a mental disorder!
Besides the issue of these social workers getting assaulted, my question is:
How the hell are they going to get there in time?
Are they going to give them red-and-blues to bypass traffic and red lights? Or are they gonna just sit there in rush-hour waiting to get there at some point?
Are they gonna have the authority to bust down a door or smash a car window when the person has barricaded themselves?
Are they trained first-responders, so they can act if the person has already cut/shot/harmed themself?
Furthermore, how are they to be deployed? Are they going to sit in the station or be assigned to special cars? Are those units going to be assigned to only answer mental-health calls? "Hey Mike, you're on baby-sitting patrol tonight, no other calls..." Jesus, its wrong a hundred different ways. NO thought at all went into this!
“One in five New Yorkers struggle with a mental health condition..."
That's a damn lie. 55.7% of NY-ers are said to have voted for Joe Biden if we are to believe the rigged vote counts. That's not one in five it's five of ten!
Yeah they're crazy about that crack, meth...
It is trendy to say every asshole is “mentally ill.” Sometimes, they are just an asshole. And that’s because they were “raised” (neglected) by assholes and are the 4th generation of assholes that have never been held to a standard of human decency. 100 years in their families of lives without consequence, suckling on the teet of state and federal aid as long as some scumbag doctor (they’ll shop around) will give them the right diagnosis, and of course throwing out racism as the cause of all their woes.
If 20% of any population is mentally ill, someone better figure out what’s in the water or the air to cause such anomalies. But no one wants to say that some people are, simply put, jerks.
Wait until the social workers grasp this. When the light bulb goes on above their head they will all say “this person isn’t mentally ill, send police.” Sorry, too late super social worker. They’ve got a laundry list of uppers, downers, IEP’s, and state aid. They MUST be mentally ill. YOU handle it.
Maybe then the classification will become more accurate. But not likely!
There is a reason why questions "are you crazy?", and "are you on crack?" are interchangeable.
You should really need to get in touch with some mental health professionals, not the kind that sits in UChicago offices, but the kind that would get sent in the field and ask how they feel about it.
Good luck with that lol
It’s about jobs. The counselors will be calling to meet the po-po before the ever ring the doe-bell. Some grand idea, 97% of the funding will go to administrative office space, expenses and staffing.
Lame duck mayor DeBozo Cash-Out had appointed his do-nothing imbecile wife to head a couple of fraud laden programs, “Thrive NYC” with spending budget of $250 million a year and also a new a zip code specific Covid’s Task Force on Racial Inclusion program. And all they have do is talk about mentals and claim Covid’s inequities in the community, then tell police how they should to deal with them.
Seems Larri and the Hashed are about thisclose to doing the same. It’s free Fed money after all, without any oversight or auditing. They give two shits about health and welfare and have been proving it for over 50 years.
These are cash outlet programs funding sham nonprofit organizations for ballot mining operations, nothing about solutions.
there are thousands of mentally ill people that live their lives without threatening or hurting anyone. Just because you have mental illness does not mean you get a pass from consequences when others are in physical danger. the few times police use force on the mentally ill it is almost always justified and very rare.
This program is going to be a disaster.
The police will be called in to mop up the mess after some of these "skilled" mental health professionals get turned into punching bags or get injured trying to wrangle someone out of a house.
Maybe yes , maybe no .
Police should not respond to any calls of a mental person at home or in a home .
Assign mental health workers to calm the mental downor to shoot them with a tranquilizer gun , wrap them in a straight jacket 🧥 and off to the funny farm in some far away place .
I am not a cop, but I do watch old bugs bunny cartoons.
Way back when, they did have mental health professionals respond to people in distress instead of cops.
These mental health pros were called "the men in the white coats". If some person was losing it, you could have two beefy guys show up with a straight jacket and take them in a padded van to a facility where they could be treated with drugs and therapy and not allowed to leave until a professional said they were stable.
Of course those facilities were closed, so dont know what anyone can do in a "street" setting.
Anonymous said...
“Squad.”
“You got the air, Crisis Intervention Team Charlie.”
“Can you send the police to this location?”
“What’s the problem Charlie?”
“This guy is off his meds, he’s threatening to kill his family, kill us, and won’t listen to reason.”
“Charlie, you’re on your own. All units are detailed to the business district. No units to send.”
Screams can be heard over the radio at the call center.
Two dispatchers at the call center look at each other. One dispatcher tells the other, “That’s the third Crisis Intervention Team we’ve lost this week.” The other dispatcher responds, “That’s why they get paid the big bucks for hazardous duty.”
11/11/2020 01:26:00 AM
3rd crisis team this week- that's why they get the big buck LMAO
Oh Experienced humor at its finest! Thank you sir/madam and thanks to all our wonderful dispatchers and call takers :)
And the mental health experts are going to request NYFD ambulance and NYFD will request the police. If it goes south before that the family of the mental will be calling an abundance for the “mental health expert” because they’re either hurt or dead. Hopefully it happens in Chicago too. We’d rather not go to those calls anymore. While they’re at it, can we get “domestic experts” too? Rather not go to those either.
It states PO's will be a part of the response teams in certain cases. I can see an Officer (or two) watching the encounter go bad to where the Mental members finally turn to the police and say "Take him" and the horror on the Mental teams faces as the PO's immediately call for backup. It will never be pretty.
They ought to make the politicians respond.
Then they'll see what it's like to have a knife pulled on you.
Fwiw...the NYC mayors wife was given control of a mental health plan called Thrive NYC.
One Billion $$'s is unaccounted for.
Sadly, the potential mayoral crop in one year is as bad as deblasio.
JackAss.com better start a new category for dead social workers.
These social worker types be saying "I know how to handle these kind of people". Lol.
Describing violent criminals as "struggling with mental illness" is getting to be another way of saying, "he dindu nuffin".
There all mental !!! Every time they do something wrong
Or illegal and the police take action whether it’s with an arrest physical hands-on
Or God for bid have to shoot somebody Mama comes on with the fake tears
And claims that their mental they had mental problems
So good luck
The writings on the wall they don’t want you riding tickets
They most certainly don’t want you going hands on
Right now all they want you doing is writing paper
Eventually that’s going to go away
And so will law enforcement
This one is easy. Let them implement their plan, allow those professionals to go out on a call and get their a$$e$ kicked or killed. Wash, rinse, repeat. About the 3rd or 10th time, they will understand that it won't work without the cops and we will have 3 or 10 fewer idiots in the world. Darwin at its best.
Oh my, well good luck folks! They voted for it
It looks like EMTs in New York have no illisions about how this one is going to go:
https://twitter.com/NYCEMSwatch/status/1326354991964180481
And in Burlington,WI gotta stop "da police, and end racism..." as mostly white "woke" know it all students protest at school board meeting Monday night.
Link is pictures. Some cops, thin blue line, "da students" screaming at those on school board and giving the finger to any authority.
Began after a teacher in 4TH GRADE, hired LAST MONTH, was teaching "BLM curriculum."
https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/burlington-teacher-draws-criticism-support-over-lesson-including-black-lives-matter-resource-materials
https://journaltimes.com/news/local/education/in-photos-protesters-shut-down-burlington-school-board-meeting-monday-evening/collection_c7f2db76-a79b-5208-bff2-f9b0e57e9b10.html
And can these idiots read at the 1st grade level? Do they know that Mississippi is not in Europe? God, what a future we have here!
Burlington 2010 census: 92.8% White, 0.9% African American. Hello!
NOT ILLINOIS. NOT LAW.
They tried “ambassadors” on the Lakefront to tell people the beaches were closed for corona. They were told to fuck off by the people and folks. Lots of calls to 911 because the “ambassadors” were “disrespected”
Maybe the same scenario that played out with Rialmo will play itself out with one of these “mental health professionals”!? Then one of these super educated college elite mental health scholars can show us how simple it is and how easy it is to stop someone who’s bipolar, been off their meds, their family has locked themselves in their rooms for fear of their own lives, and they get charged at down a flight of porch stairs while the triggered one is armed with an aluminum bat. Defend yourself and lose your job.
It would be wonderful if it worked, but it won’t, never has, never will. Lots of politicians are going to have blood on their hands.
11/11/2020 03:02:00 AM
It might work if they devote enough resources to it, i.e. MONEY. Once the realization of how much this will truly cost occurs, it will devolve into another half-assed program retained only for optics. That's why this stuff doesn't work. City governments don't want to spend the money and it becomes another band-aid solution to an arterial bleed.
You know as well as I do that these kind of jobs take a lot of time. Will NY field enough teams to handle the amount of jobs that come in? Oftentimes you need somewhere to take these people to, at least temporarily, to get them away from the situation. There aren't that many places to take them to, and sometimes those places are as bad or worse than their home. Will NY fund enough safe government-run or private shelters?
Since according to de Blasio/Wilhelm, 20% of NYers have mental issues, will NY devote the funding for long-term solutions to these chronic problems?
Anybody can do a great job for those in need. They just have to have the support to actually get the job done.
rb
Get some of that Bobby Rush popcorn ready for this shit-show!
Whatever happened to finding out who gave the order for the alleged popcorn appropriation crew to be there in the first place ???
Meanwhile, here in Colorado, they are pushing to take the Ketamine away from our medics. Probably the best drug to calm these mental cases down. Hope your medics have it.
Since Cortez Trotter moved the cops and firefighters out of 911 and put "his people" in, that has been the biggest collection of mental health patients in the City of Chicago.
Oh boy this is getting good. Thank god new yoolk politicians are little dumber than chicago politicians. But hey I'm all for it. Set it up here, I'd love to see it in chicago as well, especially in 011dist, the mental capital of the USA.
4:43 AM
That's ONE Billion Dollars
How long before the psych teams are taken hostage and
SWAT needs to be sent in?
20% Psychs in NYC. Must be the crowding.
“ You know what a social worker will do when they meet a mental that’s probably also self-medicated on something & met with refusal to go to the hospital? I’ll bet any money their protocol says call for police assistance. Then when the mental charges at them with a knife & the police have to shoot- that same social worker that called for police assistance is going to be a witness against the police at the murder trial. Bank on it.”
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You're 100% spot on. At some point the social worker is going to run into one of these mentals thats out of control and since they can’t control the situation we are going to be called to control it. And then you're 100% correct, at some point force is going to have to be used and the same social worker who couldn’t control the situation will testify against us about how poorly we controlled the situation. I think it’s a great idea to let these idiots handle all of these calls, less on our plate, UNTIL they call for help and you’re the poor copper sent to that lose lose time bomb of a call.
Cuomo announces New York shutdowns
I guarantee these mental health specialists will call the police every time. This will last until the first one get killed. Then please sue Deblasio.
You see this headline;
Pritzker warns of ‘serious,’ ‘painful cuts’ to rightsize state’s finances
https://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/2020/11/11/21561025/pritzker-illinois-budget-state-finances-house-senate-leadership
You read the story and you wonder how serious this is when you see what this is concerning;
Pritzker said he’s already called for a meeting of House and Senate leadership because there’s “so much work that needs to be done” on the budget and other areas, like criminal justice reform.
*Criminal justice reform? What the fuck you said that to do with the budget? Again and again Democrats prove how evil and really really stupid ignorant they are! How about CorruChicago Public schools $8 billion budget the teachers have not worked and in how long let’s start a massive layoffs don’t be a coward that you are! How about you Larry?
Where is Larry At over here making more and more bullshit videos wasting city resources scarce tax dollars!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=W9xv8mnonls
Thank you Veterans!
I don’t see the problem with this plan, from an Illinois law enforcement perspective. State legislators are meeting as we blog in a joint hearing preparing to strip qualified immunity from us. You will never be able to take custody of anyone. Direct quote from the hearing “ Ending qualified immunity would help transfer liability from municipalities and governments to individuals.” Who would you possibly be able to lay a hand on anyone without getting sued? Smarten Up Guys!
Great. All for it.
As one of 3 CIT officers on my watch, I've long since had enough of being assigned every damn job that mentions the offender/subject is Mental/Crazy/drunk/on drugs. We are all FTO's, who had CIT forced on us. We didn't take this training willingly.
Yes, the dispatchers are supposed to assign these jobs to the beat car, and ask for CIT to assist. It NEVER works that way, because the dispatchers want to keep as many cars available as possible, so we get the usual "are any CIT cars available?" query before the job is assigned, and then get assigned as the sole response car. And again, we are FTOs, so our partner, a ppo, is generally not much help.
There is no benefit to dealing with mentals. It is all Liability, all risk, no benefit. When it goes south, it is always on the officer.
If I could De-Certify from CIT, I'd do it immediately. The City/Dept provides ZERO incentive for this Liability, and extra workload.
The Dept just put out a NOJO for FTO's. I have to wonder why, since they have no intention of hiring many new officers. Hell, the ppos that just started the academy, they had to go back 3 tests to find enough candidates to fill just 40 spots. I wouldn't be surprised if the city mandates that officers on this new list be required to get CIT training PRIOR to being appointed FTO.
I'm all for having the city get someone else to handle these calls. Will they be in a world of hurt? Fuck yes! Wil it be a clusterfuck? of course. But at this point, as long as it's no longer MY issue, they are welcome to it.
I have no issue with people who want CIT training. Have at it. The training, in and of itself, doesn't hurt. (it doesn't help much either. Psych training, that never even mentions the DSM, that should tell anyone in the field the value and depth of it). Just understand, you will be assigned the jobs that have the greatest chance of going to shit, and if/when it goes south, only YOU will be criticized and held accountable (because naturally, the mental/dope fiend has a "disability" that you were informed of, and trained to handle).
That the city forced this training on FTOs, and all the extra jobs that goes with it, should have been a lawsuit by the former FOP board.
His wife is hooked up with the 'mental health' industry in NYC , so look at this as putting a little more loot in his own pocket especially as he terms out in two long ,very long, years
They need to dispatch politicians to all calls.
Especially crackheads and domestics.
This will be a shit show.
One in five? I think Mayor Wilhelm is light in the pot
Persons who knowingly and willingly commit crimes, without a concern that their actions are wrong, are by definition Sociopaths (aka, a Mental). Of course, we don't call them Sociopaths anymore. The current diagnosis is Anti-social personality disorder (doesn't have that negative "sociopath" label to it).
They want it all they can have it all.
Terrible idea don’t do any work anymore we are done Proactiv is only an acne cream;
Officials say 8 Chicago officers were stripped of their powers following hundreds of complaints about police conduct during summer protests
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/criminal-justice/ct-chicago-police-summer-protest-complaints-20201111-nltmholhlrh2vmywybpkvmgeru-story.html
Hmm;
Details of the conduct that led to the officers being stripped of their powers were not immediately available. Five complaints referred to the city’s inspector general’s office and five more to state or federal law enforcement, according to COPA.
The Feds And any copper that is stupid enough to do any work is out of her mind this is what the Democrats are destroying destroying the home phone which officers homes who gives a shit let them have room to destroy
Toss the mental a half pack of Newport’s and a half dog of V O and code it.on to the next one.believe me, it works.
In summary r/o’s responded to a assist social worker on a mental health call at above location. Upon arrival r/o’s observed victim f/2/ 23 yrs on floor with open deep lacerations about the face, torso, arms, hands, buttocks, legs. Per CFD amb 13 victim pronounced by dr.Patel IL masonic 2100hrs. Area /n hgs on scene. Et ordered but will respond in two to three days. Offender fled on foot in unknown direction and will likely kill again, no description given due to general order stating doing so could be my implicit bias manifesting itself. per crimesha SA no charges will be filed today or never. Desk notified, notifications made and mayor Groot gives two rat shits and stated that if police had been dispatched the offender who was suffering a mental health crisis could of been killed by police. ME case# 123456 body removal ordered at 2110hrs and due to no capacity at morgue pick up may take several days. Bt 1412 on crime scene.
Great. All for it.
As one of 3 CIT officers on my watch, I've long since had enough of being assigned every damn job that mentions the offender/subject is Mental/Crazy/drunk/on drugs. We are all FTO's, who had CIT forced on us. We didn't take this training willingly.
Yes, the dispatchers are supposed to assign these jobs to the beat car, and ask for CIT to assist. It NEVER works that way, because the dispatchers want to keep as many cars available as possible, so we get the usual "are any CIT cars available?" query before the job is assigned, and then get assigned as the sole response car. And again, we are FTOs, so our partner, a ppo, is generally not much help.
There is no benefit to dealing with mentals. It is all Liability, all risk, no benefit. When it goes south, it is always on the officer.
If I could De-Certify from CIT, I'd do it immediately. The City/Dept provides ZERO incentive for this Liability, and extra workload.
The Dept just put out a NOJO for FTO's. I have to wonder why, since they have no intention of hiring many new officers. Hell, the ppos that just started the academy, they had to go back 3 tests to find enough candidates to fill just 40 spots. I wouldn't be surprised if the city mandates that officers on this new list be required to get CIT training PRIOR to being appointed FTO.
I'm all for having the city get someone else to handle these calls. Will they be in a world of hurt? Fuck yes! Wil it be a clusterfuck? of course. But at this point, as long as it's no longer MY issue, they are welcome to it.
I have no issue with people who want CIT training. Have at it. The training, in and of itself, doesn't hurt. (it doesn't help much either. Psych training, that never even mentions the DSM, that should tell anyone in the field the value and depth of it). Just understand, you will be assigned the jobs that have the greatest chance of going to shit, and if/when it goes south, only YOU will be criticized and held accountable (because naturally, the mental/dope fiend has a "disability" that you were informed of, and trained to handle).
That the city forced this training on FTOs, and all the extra jobs that goes with it, should have been a lawsuit by the former FOP board.
FTO midnights dodger,
You were trained to handle mentals. So, do your job. Dispatching CIT to Zebra calls should be standard procedure. The department provided the 40-hr training for eager officers like yourself so you can assist the watch in handling these mental calls. As you were highly trained to do so. So do your job.
I’m at a loss for the shear magnitude of hubris and lack of foresight this plan has. At the age of 12, myself and 2 of my younger siblings were woken in the middle of the night by our alcoholic father. He had abandoned our equally (but not alcoholic) mentally ill mother someplace & drove home because he was angry with her. He corralled us in the hall, told us our mother was a whore & threatened to burn the house down. I remember hugging my sobbing siblings so tightly but also fiercely yelling back at him, “No, you won’t.” He was yelling so uncontrollably he was foaming at the mouth. My father absolutely didn’t need some social worker. What he needed was his ass in handcuffs. I wasn’t scarred any of the times I saw my father taken away by police. I was scarred by his actions, his behavior. That memory of him & the look in his eyes are forever embedded in my brain. He went on to become sober . I had peace with him before he died. And yeah, I’m a cop and I fucking know how to talk to people without escalating things, but some people need absolutely no reason to escalate. And Fuck You to every liberal that voted to demonize & further endanger the police by signing on to this BLM false narrative.
O/T Check out the political connections of one of the voting firms that created all the fake votes in MI, PA & GA
https://heavy.com/news/dominion-voting-systems-glitch-clinton-pelosi-michigan-georgia/
A purple ink on yer finger vote like Iraq would be far more legit than this computerized BS. Oh yeah, the AZ machines were "accidentally" connected to the Interweb.
Everything came to a grinding halt at 11PM election night, the back room crooks had to figure out who needed how many votes and where. Took em a few days, and AP and the MSM immediately called the election, even though critical states haven't.
These are the same goofs that think hugs and feelz will pacify raging criminals.
The problem starts at the schools. If the kid is an undisciplined, lazy piece of shit, the teachers "pass the buck" and send them to the poor teachers that have a room full of ACTUALLY disabled children. What used to be a discipline case is now a mental case. The kid is evaluated. The parents/parent/Grandma of these kids see dollar signs. If the kid gets a rating, parents/parent/grandma can add three years to their public assistance. The kid can hang out with your teenagers until he is 21. After all, this little shit is a VICTIM now. Cha-ching. They don't give a shit that the kid won't be in a normal classroom.
Just another Chicago "Recipe for Success"! When my wife taught in Chicago, she was 21 years old and had recently graduated from Northern. One of her High School students was a former classmate of hers. The kid was still sitting in Freshman classes until he reached 21.
Popcorn time in NYC. They just pulled $1,000,000,000 from police budget. Several thousand fewer police in NYC soon. What could go wrong with this plan? Besides that.
I don’t know why some coppers are so against this. Please bring this to Chicago. Less calls for me to answer. Social workers will get hurt every so often but I don’t give a shit.
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A.) Social workers are just another “gibsmethat” job. They will work 4-5 hours then go home early. Probably won’t answer calls on midnights either.
B.) Like the ever increasing “Assist Fire” calls you will be answering more calls not less. Won’t be able to “dupe” it out either. Be careful what you wish for.
C.) The new socialists will make sure these “social workers” have rank over assisting police and have control of the scene (just like a DCFS investigator or doctor). You will hate them more than the drooling pants-on-the-head mental you’re gonna argue over.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The problem starts at the schools. . 11/11/2020 11:19:00 PM
No, the problem actually starts at home. People who cannot manage their own feeble lives having children they don’t know how to raise nor nurture. Then there are the people who have the means to raise their kids but they’ve bought into the ideologies that everyone deserves a medal, everyone is a victim when life doesn’t go as they planned.
The "mental health professional egghead" will be the first to testify that the Police were unjustified in using any force necessary.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I don’t know why some coppers are so against this. Please bring this to Chicago. Less calls for me to answer. Social workers will get hurt every so often but I don’t give a shit.
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A.) Social workers are just another “gibsmethat” job. They will work 4-5 hours then go home early. Probably won’t answer calls on midnights either.
B.) Like the ever increasing “Assist Fire” calls you will be answering more calls not less. Won’t be able to “dupe” it out either. Be careful what you wish for.
C.) The new socialists will make sure these “social workers” have rank over assisting police and have control of the scene (just like a DCFS investigator or doctor). You will hate them more than the drooling pants-on-the-head mental you’re gonna argue over.
11/12/2020 05:12:00 AM
The vast majority will have officers ride along. The "mental health professional" will boss coppers around whether they have rank or not. The ones they hire will be predominately female and black or brown, pompous, condescending and stupid. Democrats too. Or they may do one of those things like team a poor unfortunately cop with one of these young, book-trained know it all types. God please grant that officer with an infinite amount of patience and reserve, he will need it. I can see how people that have actually been through many hardships in life (i.e. overcome drugs, alcohol major depression, or a bad, bad divorce) could be a help in certain cases. People that are only book-trained are full of worn out cliches and not much else. They may just make the situation worse as who wants to listen to some egotistical, patronizing kid lecture them on what they feel and how to cope with their mental health problems. I think the average old school bartender that listened to everyone's troubles would be more help than your average social worker. Chances are they will be woke, hate cops...seeing us all as stupid, and want to change the system. They will need police support, will be giving the officers orders and won't mind putting officers in jeopardy as they stand way back out of harm's way. And if it goes south be on the side of the the person with the MH emergency that then becomes the victim of police brutality. This is how I see it working.
Scrambled eggheads will be on them, not you. They (the Great & Good in Charge) have been told multiple times, and mental health professionals should no better courtesy of their own professional training and experience. I would not even bother to send a wreath.
Get this same thinking applied to domestic calls and every FOP in America should invest in donut shops. Give us a call... be right there.
10:17 PM AMEN Powerful testimony It made me tear up thinking about my childhood God bless ya brother
As a counselor who worked in Chicago ERs & in group homes, I did my job BECAUSE of the police NOT INSTEAD of the police. If I didn’t know security & police had my back, I’m not approaching a psychotic patient. Am I better than most police when dealing with a psychotic person - absolutely. Could I be that calm and focused without them literally behind me? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
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