Rifles Being Delivered
But we heard that the training has been suspended and no trunk locks are available yet. Info anyone?
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
Sunday, January 11, 2009
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rifles are being delivered. as of this week training is still going on,but the locks in trunks is going at a very slow rate.
Again, if you are the 50 year old Sgt of a team that has a bum knee and is unable to complete the power test, according to J pussy he's not allowed to carry the rifle and thereby not allowed to protect himself nor the citizens by carrying a rifle. Fuck you Weiss.
Rifles have been delivered to 025, 015 and other districts. This will continue until all dists have them. Training has not been suspended. Training continues even in winter months.
Trunk locks take 5 hours for wiring so they are being installed at the rate of one a day.
They were delivered to 003 about a week ago. Last I checked there were no magazines with them though. they are locked up in the radio room right next to the shotguns and will probably get about the same usage.
Confirmed rifles in 007 in the w/c's office, no trunk locks.
Have 5 carbines in our radio room. Been there at least a week.
I don't need a rifle. My .45 cal pistol will do. Comes time I need a rifle there will be plenty laying on the ground.
Well, whoop de fuckin' do.
That crooked cocksucker finally conceded flintlock muskets with black powder. Not a Heckler and Koch MP5 in our "arsenal" except maybe for his platoon of suckhole bodyguards.
Shortshanks will procrastinate 'til we get our version of the North Hollywood bank robbery shootout or worse. At least, LAPD had nearby gun stores where they could commandeer assault rifles with ammo.
They should go to army surplus and get a pair of M1A1 Abrams tanks for 007 and 011. No camouflage needed. Just paint 'em blue and white. Don't forget to slap on a pair of "CAPS" stickers, That despicable, thieving mayor-for-life will get the big grabber before he gets his cell at Terre Haute.
Let's pray that "the Messiah" finds a spot in D.C. for that lying, salad tossing pussy J-Fed.
OK got to love it. The Carbines are being delivered to all the districts. All the classes are on-line to sign up for. The weeklong classes are slim do to snow, cold, the fact that we shoot outside (kind of hard to train in 9*) and all the holidays we have in the first 3 months of the year. The POWER tests are going strong so that when the weather breaks there will be a surplus of students. Officers are buying and registering their own personal weapons. The trunk locks are at the Area Garages and yes 1000 lock will take some time to be installed and you cannot believe this is going to happen LOL!!!!!!!
FYI the superintendent did meet with the left pink liberal groups more then once and told them that the Offices need and are going to be carrying the carbines. Bash him all you want and at times I agree with you, But he has it right this time! He even has the classes open to the patrol division first. Not the units. When have you ever seen that happen?
Rifles delivered in A2. No trunk locks. Another episode of J-Fed disappointing the troops. Rifles on the street ain't gonna happen. Da Mayo won't let it happen. Two days after 9/11 he ordered swat out of the airport,or to a less visible location. He will not let average cops on the street have them.
Why bother. They will never let you carry them or god forbid use one on the street. They will just gather dust like the shotguns.
I know for a fact that Leo Kwon Doh Schmitz has a rifle, and has a trunk lock.
He was produly showing it off to some poeple in the Credit Unit parking lot the other day.
He was like a proud father, just beaming at his little toy. The one he WILL NEVER use, but he sure feels cool having it.
They also have a rifle rack and rifles in 5th District/Area 2.
Sadly, only L.E.O. has the trunk lock.
Training suspended?
I'll be back from military leave in a few months. Does this mean I will no longer be qualified to carry the same rifle I've been carrying for the last 18 months?
Or on my previous deployment or the 15 years I've been in the military (7 active) for that matter.
No trunk locks, but they claim they were ordered before the rifles.
Holy Gun Me Up Batman!!!
Were are the rifles? What about the terrorists? How do we protect ourselves & public from the murdering of innocent youths in our city streets. Five people shot in front of a high school in the Winter time? Wow! We are the murder capital of the US.
Every exempt member of this dept is responsible for the incompetence.
as of yesterday the next training session was available on IClear
Just wait until shortshanks pulls a Drew Peterson on everyone that bought their own carbine. Felony charges for one and all, maybe federal charges if he can have Obama handle it.
Plain and simple, every officer on this department needs to be trained in the use of the rifles and shotguns.....JUST IN CASE.
The movie "Invasion USA" is no longer a right wing fantasy, it can (and might) just happen.
Local POs are the first line of defense, all of us should be prepared.
Leo is a schmuck!
I was at the area and saw the new 2 rear wheel drive SUVs. They have the gun locks inside between the driver and passenger seats. Two locks one for a rifle and the other for a shotgun. We will never see both in a squad, unless your the chosen few. I wonder who is making money on this deal?
FYI the superintendent did meet with the left pink liberal groups more then once and told them that the Offices need and are going to be carrying the carbines. Bash him all you want and at times I agree with you, But he has it right this time! He even has the classes open to the patrol division first. Not the units. When have you ever seen that happen?
Thanks, Ray
Well an attack is more immenent now that Israel is kicking some hamas ass. Palestinian protests are getting bigger every time. IS anyone paying attention? The US is the biggest suppporter of Israel and makes us a prime target.
5 hours to wire a lock?? Can I get in on that contract?? The GPS equipment was installed in the sallyport by the vendor, did all cars in about 3 days
SO, After the GPS drains your battery, can you still get the gun out? If so, why so much wiring? If not, what are we doing????
Anyone in the know, A company was selling M-4's at Homan Sq. the other day. Does anyone know if you can purchase one without taking the power test and if the city is letting you register it? The company sales rep weren't sure and only were interested in selling rifles.
For all you Rambos out there please remember that YOU are responsible for where that round flies and on an M4 they can fly pretty far. Not knocking anybody's shooting skill but how many people will handle the same rifle? How many times will somebody bang it into something or drop it? If those sights get moved even slightly it can put your shot quite a ways off from target. Sorry but give me the good old Remington 870.
Hey J Fed you deliver the rifles to 15 and 11 but not the southside districts especially 006th District. Why don't you go away, you have no idea how to properly run a department of this size. YOU are not from here, the people that work here do not recognize any authority that some corrupt mayor has given you and you keep this up we may stop listening to you.
Good. Now maybe we can shoot back at affluent snots from Park Ridge driving around using Chicago as a hunting preserve.
"We only shot a couple of people..."
"He only wanted to shoot them below the waist, to injure them and see them jump and to see their reaction."
"The pellet is lodged in (the male victim's) liver, has affected his diaphragm, and he is suffering from internal bleeding...The pellet is wedged in (the female victim's) back and is too close to her spine to be removed..."
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/
parkridge/news/1368709,pr-bbgun-
010809-s1.article
"I heard a loud pop, and my back hurt," said Arnold, 31, who was hit by a sharpened lead pellet from an air-powered pellet gun...I knew I'd been shot..."
The pellet lodged near her spine, requiring her hospitalization.
Arnold and a second victim were seriously injured in a shooting rampage Tuesday night by two teenage cousins armed with an air rifle. Michael Bobek, 19, of Park Ridge and Daniel Kolasa, 17, of Chicago spent a half-hour driving around the Near Northwest Side shooting at people from the back of Bobek's van for "harmless fun," a prosecutor said.
Joe Rada was shot while jogging..."I started having chest pain and couldn't breathe, I thought maybe it was a bullet."
Rada walked home and was driven to a hospital. X-rays showed that a pellet had grazed his lung and diaphragm and lodged in his liver, causing internal bleeding.
The two were arrested and charged with felony aggravated battery with a weapon. A Cook County judge set bail Thursday at $400,000 for Kolasa and $300,000 for Bobek.
Full story at --
http://www.chicagotribune.com/
news/local/chi-pellet-shootingjan09
,0,2568855.story
Here's the driver, all 6'6" of him, looking like a hard guy and doing that stupid "V" thing with his fingers. Flash that shit in the prison yard and see what happens to you a couple of nights later...
http://profiles.berecruited.com/\
athletes/athletics/219484
Oh. I guess it's more like "Not be recruited.com" when you've got a violent felony conviction...after IDOC, there's always McDonald's, huh?
Rifles delivered in 003 and the magazines and ammo are in the W.C's office. Saw Gouseman the desk Sgt take them in. 5 rifles,15 magazines and about 250 rounds of ammo.
The problem is getting the truck locks installed by our wonderful (read sarcasm) Fleet management. Let's see, 5 hours to install one,equals exactly one a day, if we are lucky. Gimme the fuckin thing and I'll install it myself.
Anonymous said...
Holy Gun Me Up Batman!!!
Were are the rifles? What about the terrorists? How do we protect ourselves & public from the murdering of innocent youths in our city streets. Five people shot in front of a high school in the Winter time? Wow! We are the murder capital of the US.
Every exempt member of this dept is responsible for the incompetence.
1/11/2009 10:15:00 AM
Relax big guy. Take a chill pill. Leave that basement apt and get some fresh air. Even batman left his cave.
011 has rifles in radio room.
I hope you guys itching to carry this rifle spent the $4,000.00 to get a rifle rated level 3 or greater vest? Nope I didn't think so. Common police practice has been for the past 25 years to wear a vest that will trap your OWN weapons round,no? And another thought, why only 1 rifle per car? Would you like to be going lights and sirens to a man(men) with a rifle(s) armed with a 9mm or .45? And one final thought, what's up with the stupid POWER test? I would rather they have an IQ test. I see the goof's running to get these "toys" and I gotta say, scary.And no, I'm not a liberal, or black or any other crazy thing you pea brains can come up with to describe a person that does not agree with this. Im a life memeber of the NRA and hunt and have been doing this job for more than 10 and less than 30 years with a pistol, night stick and pepper spray and that's all I ever felt I needed. I hear heavy weapons being fired, secure the perimeter and get SWAT. THEY are trained and have the safety vests, not you guys. You answer domestics and take theft case reports. sorry
Why do these nay-sa fuck policemen come up with all this bullshit whining pussy-ass comments such as "we'll never see them"...Hey you dumb jag-off they are in the districts or I like the "they stopped training for the carbine". Get your head out of your ass because what you are saying is pure bullshit. Get on line, sign up for the power test and pass it. Sign up for the course pass that and go out and buy one of those fucking things and throw it in the trunck when they get the locks installed. This shit does not happen overnight. 1000 fucking rifle mounts don't get installed in the blink of an eye which is what many of these idiot postings ASSume. God what a freakin bunch of babies. OH and a P.S. ....If you can't pass the power test you should'nt be on the job let alone carry that rifle. This department is filled with so many lard-ass police officers it's fucking embarrasing.
I don't need a rifle. My .45 cal pistol will do. Comes time I need a rifle there will be plenty laying on the ground.
1/11/2009 06:56:00 AM
Nice to hear from you Sgt. Major Plumley
You cannot pass these rifles around like they do with radios. Who sights the rifle in each time you take one out and need to re-zero it? Three shifts a day, 14/7?
Where do we do this? Where is our range at the district to re-zero our rifles? The only way I will carry one is if I buy my own and maintain control over that weapon.
A beat guy checks out a rifle. That rifle has been checked put by an unknown number of officers who did unknown things with it and who knows how those officers stored or cared for that rifle. Coppers like to fuck with things, the sights are sure to be off. then what, an officer takes a shot with a rifle and the sights are way off and a citizen takes a bullet and not the offender. That officer is responsible for the shot, sights being off or not.
This is a cluster fuck waiting to happen. Unless you get your own rifle or are issued a rifle and get to use the same weapon all the time something will go wrong.
Hey DICKHEADs.... Those Carbine Instructors bust their ASS every day. & SGt Bartoli has never - ever turned his back on another officer who came to him on the range and wanted help or asked a question. Even SESSO is jealous of BARTOLI! Carbine classes are being held in the COLD , the RAIN , SNOW & HEAT....so dont believe the lies!
OT: Anyone in personnel have any idea when the next written exam for new hires might be? Is the city going even offer one this year?? I thought J-Fed said in his town hall meeting that there would be a written exam in early 2009?
I want my Benelli semi-auto shotgun with ghost ring sights and loaded with my chosen combination of slugs and/or buckshot. I've been qualified to carry a shotgun (albeit the 870 in the radio room) so why can't I carry it? Where's my shotgun rack? Why can't I buy and carry my own shotgun? I don't want a .223 carbine. Maybe I'll take a .308 M1A; but if I can't have that I'll be satisied with my shotgun firing a 300 gr slug at 2000 fps. Oh, wait, that's right. Shotguns are too intmidating. But we can carry now carry, allegedly, rifles. Jesus is this department fucked up!
Got to get those rifles out in the districts before the final Olympic bid is approved, otherwise Shit-ca-go doesn't meet the anti-terrorism requirement of the international Olympic board. Do you really think there's any other reason were getting rifles?
Rifles can not be registered in the city unless you are the police and have passed the power test
Anonymous said...
I want my Benelli semi-auto shotgun with ghost ring sights and loaded with my chosen combination of slugs and/or buckshot. I've been qualified to carry a shotgun (albeit the 870 in the radio room) so why can't I carry it? Where's my shotgun rack? Why can't I buy and carry my own shotgun? I don't want a .223 carbine. Maybe I'll take a .308 M1A; but if I can't have that I'll be satisied with my shotgun firing a 300 gr slug at 2000 fps. Oh, wait, that's right. Shotguns are too intmidating. But we can carry now carry, allegedly, rifles. Jesus is this department fucked up!
1/11/2009 10:40:00 PM
Blah, Blah, Blah!
Go write some parkers!!!
Anonymous said...
Why do these nay-sa fuck policemen come up with all this bullshit whining pussy-ass comments such as "we'll never see them"...Hey you dumb jag-off they are in the districts...
1/11/2009 08:04:00 PM
Yeah! So are the shotguns in the districts!!!
Let me get this straight. PO are allow to buy and register M4s once they passed the power test & take the classes? Just one particular M4 or any manufacturers?
"I'll be back from military leave in a few months. Does this mean I will no longer be qualified to carry the same rifle I've been carrying for the last 18 months?"
Yes not unless you pass stringent CPD testing guidelines.But feel free to wear your acus, flak fest& kevlar helmet if you feel the need
Hey, the guy coming back from military in few months. Me too! I'll be back in March, deployment only 12 months. I never heard of 18 month deployment, especially for Reserves or National Guard. Where are you at? I'm at KAF (Kandahar).
Things sure have changed?? I left right before Weis came in. The only sources of news I can get is from SCC or Shavedlongcock. Is it accurate? What can i expect when I come back.
This is the mag the Department issues with the carbine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ggogp67rRU
Just say, "NO" to these carbines. I'd rather just drive around and do my jobs. Let SWAT do the job they're trained for.
I hope you guys itching to carry this rifle spent the $4,000.00 to get a rifle rated level 3 or greater vest?
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$4000? Boy did you get ripped off. I got two plates and a carrier for under $500...Go online and do some research once in a while, dude.
Let me get this straight. PO are allow to buy and register M4s once they passed the power test & take the classes? Just one particular M4 or any manufacturers?
1/12/2009 12:26:00 AM
Read the ORDER! That is if you can access the intranet all by yourself.
I have been retired over 10 years now, so after you read what I say here, you can flame me to death, tell me to change my diaper, eat my mush, or just generally go screw myself. I wonder if these miracle rifles you are apparently going to get will follow the same progression as the shotguns. In the late 60's around the time of the convention and some of the riots, the Department issued shotguns to every car, both districts and other patrol units. They were initially installed in a lick in the front seat. After sevral months and a few thefts and special interest complaints, they were moved to secure locks in the trunks. It was a frightening time. On nearly every call, where more than one or two units responded, the chilling sound of a round being racked into the chamber was heard. Occasionally a second sound, a loud boom, was heard as the weapon fired. Fortunately, to the best of my knowledge, no one was ever hurt. On many days a loud boom could be heard in the vicinity of radio rooms as the weapons were unloaded prior to being turned in.
What is most interesting though, is the fact that as soon as these weapaons were made available, everybody wanted one, and everyone extolled their usefulness. Generally they were turned in at the conclusion of each tour, and then reissued to the relieving crew, if there was one. The program was met with much enthusiasm. Strangely enough though, by the early 70's PO's had to be reminded on a daily basis to take the shotgun. Eventually Sergeants had to check each vehicle during the tour to verify that the PO's were actually in possession of the weapon. The program culminated with Watch Commanders and other supervisors practically begging individual officers to take a shotgun. By and by the bosses said to hell with it, and a reduced number of the guns were locked up in the stations. I always wondered what happened to the rest of them. I know, I know, this is different. Many of you talk of the need for these rifles because of "something that may happen." I believe what happened with the shotguns will eventually happen with the rifles. Soooner rather than later the majority of you will realize that lugging a rifle around, taking it out, and then re-securing it is more of a pain in tha ass tha it is worth. Early on everyone will be bringing them along on calls. Again, sooner rather than later most of you will realize that all it really does is get in the way, and that the chances or putting it to good use are probably less than 1 percent.
In general, planning for something that only might happen is flawed.
Okay, Go ahead let me have it.
third week in a row that the sink hole in the 2nd districct parking lot goes unfixed. im going to laugh my ass off when a squad falls into the ground fucking the car up uneccasarily. hope no officer gets hurt cause of this thing
This is a cluster fuck waiting to happen. Unless you get your own rifle or are issued a rifle and get to use the same weapon all the time something will go wrong.
1/11/2009 08:22:00 PM
Yes you are 100% correct.I will be waiting to rip the city a new ass and make millions.
Chicago should have contacted the Tulsa Police Department to find out how to get AR-15s in patrol cars without cost to the City. They developed a qualification course for privately-owned ARs*, and, if the officers qualified, they got to carry them in their cars.
ECS
*(The individual rifles had to be approved by the range guys to keep poorly assembled/unsafe guns out of the cars.)
Anonymous said...
I don't need a rifle. My .45 cal pistol will do. Comes time I need a rifle there will be plenty laying on the ground.
1/11/2009 06:56:00 AM
Nice to hear from you Sgt. Major Plumley
1/11/2009 08:10:00 PM
You got it.
Anonymous said...
I don't need a rifle. My .45 cal pistol will do. Comes time I need a rifle there will be plenty laying on the ground.
1/11/2009 06:56:00 AM
SAM ELLIOT, BROKEN ARROW
GIVE CREDIT, DUDE
Anonymous said...
Plain and simple, every officer on this department needs to be trained in the use of the rifles and shotguns.....JUST IN CASE.
The movie "Invasion USA" is no longer a right wing fantasy, it can (and might) just happen.
Local POs are the first line of defense, all of us should be prepared.
1/11/2009 12:49:00 PM
NO NEED FOR AN INVASION, WE WILL JUST SURRENDER.
OR IN THE CASE OF CHINA, THEY WILL JUST BUY US...THEY ALREADY FINANCED THE FIRST GOVT. STIMULUS PACKAGE, THAT'S WHERE THE $$$ CAME FROM
Nice to hear from you Sgt. Major Plumley
1/11/2009 08:10:00 PM
You got it.
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Not the original poster but FYI saw down here in the Ft. Rucker paper that ED "To Tall" Freeman past away this summer.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
You cannot pass these rifles around like they do with radios. Who sights the rifle in each time you take one out and need to re-zero it? Three shifts a day, 14/7?
Where do we do this? Where is our range at the district to re-zero our rifles? The only way I will carry one is if I buy my own and maintain control over that weapon.
A beat guy checks out a rifle. That rifle has been checked put by an unknown number of officers who did unknown things with it and who knows how those officers stored or cared for that rifle. Coppers like to fuck with things, the sights are sure to be off. then what, an officer takes a shot with a rifle and the sights are way off and a citizen takes a bullet and not the offender. That officer is responsible for the shot, sights being off or not.
This is a cluster fuck waiting to happen. Unless you get your own rifle or are issued a rifle and get to use the same weapon all the time something will go wrong.
1/11/2009 08:22:00 PM
Here's a little secret about the M16/M4 platform that even the range guys probably don't know.The front sight base should be made level with the gas block it's mounted in, just turn it up or down until it's level or even at the base. Center the rear sight with the windage knob, you will see the hash marks, the long one is the center. Now dial the elevation knob all the way down then up 10 clicks. You are now "Battle sight zeroed" and are good to go from 50 to 300 meters.Simple and I'm not even qualified what a shame.OH and by the way, use the small aperture rear sight not the big ghost ring they put on it, flip it to the small one you'll be far more accurate. While I'm at it, what Minute of angle rear sights are they installing? 1/2"?, 1/4"? Why use the FMJ 55 grain round? Why not FMJHP? I happen to prefer a 2 stage trigger, why do you insist on single stage? What I'm getting at here is that there is a lot to learn about basic rifle marksmanship and rifles in general. It seems to me that once again someone who knows relatively little about firearms, rifles in particular, is writing the orders on them. If you want to learn something about firearms, check out Culvers shooting page on the net. Lot's of good info. from old guys, mostly Marines. They know how to shoot.You guys think your M4's kick, try a Mauser.
Let me get this straight. PO are allow to buy and register M4s once they passed the power test & take the classes? Just one particular M4 or any manufacturers?
1/12/2009 12:26:00 AM
Read the ORDER! That is if you can access the intranet all by yourself.
1/12/2009 12:03:00 PM
I wish I can read the ORDER. But I can't because I'm in Afghanistan. Can I access by internet instead?
"You are now "Battle sight zeroed" and are good to go from 50 to 300 meters.Simple and I'm not even qualified what a shame.OH and by the way, use the small aperture rear sight not the big ghost ring they put on it, flip it to the small one you'll be far more accurate".
-- To the Above "Mr. I know it all"
My good man , if you qualifed and then took the carbine operator training course you would realize that you wasted 10 minutes of your life writing useless info! First off, the city doesn't want us to take 300 meters sniper shots you ding dong! It's mainly to have equal fire power against close contact active shooters, situation like North Hollywood or Columbine! So relax with your BS military wanna be info! The Range Instructors have the training course covered with all required info.
Anonymous said...
I don't need a rifle. My .45 cal pistol will do. Comes time I need a rifle there will be plenty laying on the ground.
1/11/2009 06:56:00 AM
SAM ELLIOT, BROKEN ARROW
GIVE CREDIT, DUDE
1/12/2009 07:05:00 PM
Sam Elliot, yes, but that is from We Were Soldiers.
SAM ELLIOT, BROKEN ARROW
GIVE CREDIT, DUDE
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Sam Elliot was playing SGM Plumely in we were soldiers. If you have a chance to read the book look at the SGM's bio in the back. The guy made it through every combat jump in WWII, a beach landing in Korea, and 2 tours in Nam.
Let me get this straight. PO are allow to buy and register M4s once they passed the power test & take the classes? Just one particular M4 or any manufacturers?
1/12/2009 12:26:00 AM
Read the ORDER! That is if you can access the intranet all by yourself.
1/12/2009 12:03:00 PM
I wish I can read the ORDER. But I can't because I'm in Afghanistan. Can I access by internet instead?
1/13/2009 02:47:00 AM
The way I understand the order is, is that if you pass the power test you can buy the rifle prior to the class. This is where it gets complicated you have to register it on a temporary basis, until you complete and pass the cousre. Upon completion of the class they give you the registration. What if you fail the course? keep your bill of sale and bring it back. Its the city so keep that in mind. keep safe over there and come home soon.
I wish I can read the ORDER. But I can't because I'm in Afghanistan. Can I access by internet instead?
1/13/2009 02:47:00 AM
Ask a computer literate buddy to email you the PDF file! And "git some" while your in the stan.
/11/2009 08:22:00 PM
Here's a little secret about the M16/M4 platform that even the range guys probably don't know.The front sight base should be made level with the gas block it's mounted in, just turn it up or down until it's level or even at the base. Center
You sir are a Clincher.
"On many days a loud boom could be heard in the vicinity of radio rooms as the weapons were unloaded prior to being turned in."
--1/12/2009 12:37:00 PM
They used to keep a 55 gallon steel drum of sand for this, hole cut in the lid, marked "SHOTGUN."
Here's a little secret about the M16/M4 platform that even the range guys probably don't know.The front sight base should be made level with the gas block it's mounted in, just turn it up or down until it's level or even at the base. Center the rear sight with the windage knob, you will see the hash marks, the long one is the center. Now dial the elevation knob all the way down then up 10 clicks. You are now "Battle sight zeroed" and are good to go from 50 to 300 meters.Simple and I'm not even qualified what a shame.OH and by the way, use the small aperture rear sight not the big ghost ring they put on it, flip it to the small one you'll be far more accurate. While I'm at it, what Minute of angle rear sights are they installing? 1/2"?, 1/4"? Why use the FMJ 55 grain round? Why not FMJHP? I happen to prefer a 2 stage trigger, why do you insist on single stage? What I'm getting at here is that there is a lot to learn about basic rifle marksmanship and rifles in general. It seems to me that once again someone who knows relatively little about firearms, rifles in particular, is writing the orders on them. If you want to learn something about firearms, check out Culvers shooting page on the net. Lot's of good info. from old guys, mostly Marines. They know how to shoot.You guys think your M4's kick, try a Mauser.
1/13/2009 12:05:00 AM
You should slow down before you get ahead of yourself. What you described is called mechanical zero. This is the center setting for the sights. Battle sight zero is where the bullet passes the line of sight on the "drop". This means that the rifle is sighted in on a 25 yard range. The bullet is rising to the line of sight and at 25yds the point of aim and point of impact are the same. Now at roughly 250 yards (I may be off a little) the bullet is now dropping to the line of sight and the point of aim/point of impact will no cross again. This is battle sight zero.
if I battle zero the flux neo sight picture to the 3rd power and I was in the army or USMC what are the chances I could shoot the moon from my mom basement wearing a meat-helmet wrapped in foil?
Love J-fed
Anonymous said...
"On many days a loud boom could be heard in the vicinity of radio rooms as the weapons were unloaded prior to being turned in."
--1/12/2009 12:37:00 PM
They used to keep a 55 gallon steel drum of sand for this, hole cut in the lid, marked "SHOTGUN."
1/13/2009 08:07
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That drum was the result of those loud booms. Many folks still refused to use it anyway.
Get your Rifles and Go Get Em, Tigers!
someone wrote...
"if I battle zero the flux neo sight picture to the 3rd power and I was in the army or USMC what are the chances I could shoot the moon from my mom basement wearing a meat-helmet wrapped in foil?"
Dude, the above post was funny!!! I was caught off guard while eating CHERIOS and milk shot out my nose.
Bad thing about having a rifle, is sitting thru the class listening to the asshole range guy's war stories. Where does the department find these tools?
-- To the Above "Mr. I know it all"
My good man , if you qualifed and then took the carbine operator training course you would realize that you wasted 10 minutes of your life writing useless info! First off, the city doesn't want us to take 300 meters sniper shots you ding dong! It's mainly to have equal fire power against close contact active shooters, situation like North Hollywood or Columbine! So relax with your BS military wanna be info! The Range Instructors have the training course covered with all required info.
1/13/2009 10:51:00 AM
OK Mr. "I don't work the streets range boy", you are correct in one thing. I haven't taken the city's course. What I have done is qualified and competed with that rifle and others for over 20 years. I don't want equal fire, I want overwhelming fire and mostly precision fire. I know that each officer that has a rifle must have the rifle sighted in to his eye because it will differ from officer to officer, that's why I think they should be privately owned. However not everyone can afford to buy their own and should know how at least to get the rifle sighted to itself to get on paper, then get the fine adjustments called "Dope" by the way. Now I don't think the range guys are bad or don't know what they are doing, but like everything else in this dept., it's a "Spot" and I have little patience for those in "Spots" who are there because they are related or know someone. When it comes to this subject, I pretty much do know it all so in ending, you sir can KMA.
Anonymous said...
Bad thing about having a rifle, is sitting thru the class listening to the asshole range guy's war stories. Where does the department find these tools?
1/15/2009 09:31:00 AM
This is true, can anyone tell has anyone one of these ranges Gods- ever used an M-4 in a combat situation? Or Even in an urban setting. I dont think so. I have heard some of there war stories and I for one am not interested in when you were the POPO in the fighting 024 or 011 or 004
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