Four-and-Two for Everyone
FOP says the City prevailed in their decision to implement the Four & Two schedule across the Department, meaning 005, 008, 013 and 020 will be adjusting before the First Police Period next year. Details forthcoming. Check the FOP link in the right hand side for info in their "Current Updates" section.
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posted by SCC at 12:09 AM
102 Comments:
It sure seems we lose a lot at arbitration wonder how come? Who is sleeping with who? More and more we wonder why Donahue has that big lobbing job lined up wonder who his clout is? Why is Mike Shields being told not to run for FOP president as Bella gives him the boots? Just wondering!!
what was the fop trying to do ?
tell the city what hours everyone is going to work?
FOCUS GUYS HELP THOSE F.T.O'S
HELP THE PRISONERS AT CALL BACK!
HELP THOSE GUYS ON I.O.D. THAT THE CITY STIFFS ON MEDICAL BILLS!
AND HELP J-FLED IN THE DRESSING ROOM, HIS TASTE IN SWEATER BLOWS!!!
Woo-Hoo!!! About time.........
Not sure about the ten hour day crew, but for you 6/3 people, you will really enjoy the 4/2 schedule. Working 6 days in a row is messed up. Even if it was 6 on and 4 off, I would rather do the 4/2.
schedules is awesome........
off topic: isn't it interesting that over 30 Chicago Police Officers, including, God Rest Their Souls, the fallen of the current year, along with numerous Cook County Suburban Dept. offiers were honored with the Award of Valor and Merit and there was zero media coverage.(NOT SURPRISING). J-Fled was ther in a suit, short as ever, looking like a middle aged "Beavis" or an alien as my wife put it. It was a pretty funny photo though, seeing him try to peel through the tall bodies in front of him, because no one let him stand in between them. Truly a priceless moment. Even though this was just a ceremonious pat on the ass for most of us, a mere mention in the local media was appropriate because of the our fallen officers honored posthumously. Once again it shows how little local media and media in general thinks of us, the soldiers at home who do battle with evil on a daily basis. GOD BLESS ALL MY BROTHERS......STAY SAFE...........
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/11/obamas-indonesian-transvestite.html
Off Topic. I went into the Commanders office in 014Th to ask One of the Secretaries about the Watch Selections and Furloughs since I'm going on Furlough soon. Well it was clear to me that the officer sitting directly outside of the Commanders office didn't have a clue, so I went to Secretary #2 who gave me the information I was seeking. So let me get this straight the Commander has a personal assistant to driver her around and gopher things, but doesn't know her job, and a Secretary. This is so sad it's almost funny. "huh"
this comes as no surprise
Not surprised. The FOP utterly sucks when representing our interests. Their mentality of "let's not upset the city" totally has transformed into this.
What ever happened to Missy the 001 or 018 dist parking ticket guru? I miss her
OT, Nov 10, 2010
Happy Birthday US Marines!
What about detectives?
Anonymous said...
It sure seems we lose a lot at arbitration wonder how come?
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It's because the FOP chooses completely stupid guaranteed loser cases to try and bitch about.
What better way for Daley to help destroy the unions in Chicago than make them file petty and stupid grievances and then publicize it?
What better way for Daley to make union employees want to decertify their unions to cause chaos and help destroy unions in Chicago than to file loser cases, and then lose?
OT:
3 wounded in separate shootings on NW, SW Sides.
2 wounded in shooting on West Side
3 wounded in Wrigleyville shooting
But I thought crime was down? Did the PAGs predict this and send resources to Wrigleyville to prevent this "outie" from taking place?
Hummana, hummana, hummana. Well, the algorithms were blocked by a sun spot and mars was not aligned properly during the correct phase of the moon and, er, eh, well, you know it takes time for this program to respond to the, er, eh. Well we could explain it but it would be beyond your comprehension.
in 25 years, the 4 and 2 is the best schedule I have worked. too bad it came so late.
We're going back to the 6-2 schedule after next year, uggg.
Off Topic...
Get a load of this. POD Missions to be run 24 hours a day in 011. Various Beat Cars are to be held down in two hour increments to monitor the PODS. Best part? POD room is open to the public to come and sit down with officers!! They can "learn" to use and watch the POD. Second best part? They kicked the Review Office & people out of that room to accommodate this latest brainfart. Sounds like another appeasement of the phony-ass reverends on Henny Penny's part. And talk about ANOTHER waste of manpower, especially with how short we are.
P.S. - The fat, greasy bastard from the 5th floor is scheduled to visit 011 sometime today to view this latest "innovation".
After almost 15 years of 6/2, I'll take the 4/2 gladly. I like it.
what was the fop trying to do ?
tell the city what hours everyone is going to work?
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No stroke, FOP was just trying to represent the Districts who were interested in working an alternative schedule. GFY!!
I have only been in the 6-3 schedule for just over a year now, and I have to say it was a great schedule. I am able to enjoy 3 days in a row with my wife and my 7 month old daughter. When we want to go away for a few days, I had 3 days to enjoy! Heck, if I burned 1 day of comp-time I had a 4 day weekend!
I have to give the 4-2 a chance before I can say I do or do not like it, but I am extremely unnerved in the way our wonderful union went about handling this issue. I was quite disheartened when I saw union representatives at our roll calls in the 013th district explaining how the 4-2 schedule would work and could be a benefit to us. I would have been ok with this if they would have done this on the day of the arbitrators ruling. But our pitiful and quite useless union (as I have come to realize) visited 013 2 weeks ago to talk about the 4-2 schedule. What was the point of even fighting for these schedules!
Let all remember that the FOP elections are just around the corner!
Not surprised. The FOP utterly sucks when representing our interests. Their mentality of "let's not upset the city" totally has transformed into this.
11/10/2010 05:44:00 AM
Eat shit, loser. The FOP has won tons of arbitrations this year. They just don't brag about it. SCC only posts the losses. No one posts the wins.
I for one am getting tired of reading about the christ-child, Shields. SCC, you've got to know it's him posting all that shit. What has he done since getting elected to the pension board?
the 4/2 is really no better for people working the 1st watch. You gotta have some time to "charge your batteries", and 2 days just don't cut it. Might be great on 2nd & 3rd watch, but not so much on 1st!
11/10/2010 05:44:00 AM
Have 3 different schedules is ridiculous. Grow up asshat.
Oh well....u will all love the 4 and 2
Does this go for the Mobile Stroke Force as well?
I don't know how well this is going to work in narcotics.
Some of those investigations you just wouldn't want to be away from after 4 days. It's gonna be interesting.
knew that was going to happen. This whole arbitration thing was an illusion.
3 people shot outside of wrigley field?.... How come this didn't make the news?
I work Mass Transit does this mean us also? I hope so working 4-2 is much better then 5-2
The 4-2 schedule sucks. I have 17yrs on the job and used to keep a lot of hours on the books. Since the switch, I've burned more time this year than I did in 3yrs combined. With the 4-2 schedule you lose the 3 day weekends. Granted, they came around every 6th & 7th week, but they still existed. With the old schedule if you wanted a 4 day weekend you only burned 8hrs. Now you'll burn 17hrs for a four day weekend. It sucks big time. Also, if you use a BFD you'll burn an extra half hour of your time per day. I like long stretches away from the job and the city. I hardly ever left the city this year because of having only 2 days off. This 4-2 WILL eat up your comp-time.
I used to work the old 6 on and two days off schedule with every fifth and sixth week getting three days off.
Working six straight days? No thank you. The 4 on and two off is wonderful. And if I feel stressed out or just need a day off or two, I can take one day off and add it to my two rdo's and ahhhhh it feels soooooo good.
Those guys that wanted to keep that 6-3 have to be out of their minds. Wait until they start working the 4-2, they are going to be so greatful they lost the arbitration. It is a great schedule. And i want to give the FOP credit for that. They are the ones that worked out all the details to present it to the city as a positive change. Especially K.G. we owe you on this one. I wouldn't go back to the 6-2 schedule if they paid me an extra 20K a year.
What about the elite guys in tru and msf, I bet they get to continue to enjoy those 3 day weekends every week with the occassional 4 dayers in there?
It makes sense for EVERYONE on the Department to be on the 4 and 2 schedule.. 8 hr. days.
What about the swipe in-swipe out, Department wide, coming Jan. 1st ? Is it true ?
10 hour days, the best!
MSF! MSF! MSF! MSF! MSF! MSF!
Off Topic, remember when they used to promote someone, the Department would actually let you know via Pax 501, or an email or a teletype or FAX? Why is everything done in the middle of the night now? BTW, Congrats Commander Waller, it's now official I see.
sure beats 6 and 2
5 on 3 off with 4 day week ends
that had to be nice
off topic: isn't it interesting that over 30 Chicago Police Officers, including, God Rest Their Souls, the fallen of the current year, along with numerous Cook County Suburban Dept. offiers were honored with the Award of Valor and Merit and there was zero media coverage.(NOT SURPRISING).
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But there WAS coverage. Saw it on two different local channels.
What ever happened to Missy the 001 or 018 dist parking ticket guru? I miss her
11/10/2010 05:51:00 AM
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Me, too.
OT
Thanks to the 55 team's fuck up at Mc Donalds, the entire MSF unit is again in the negative press. Word is T.O got stripped and the entire team is getting ready to get launched back to the districts. Over one guy's mistake, we all have to pay? Thanks for nothing LT. S.L.
For Christ's sake, I just got out of Area 2!!!
-MSF copper
4-2 is great. Even for 1st watch which I work. Best thing that department has done. And most people I know have used a lot less comp time.
the 4/2 is really no better for people working the 1st watch. You gotta have some time to "charge your batteries", and 2 days just don't cut it. Might be great on 2nd & 3rd watch, but not so much on 1st!
It rocks for 2nd watch! Been working it since Jan and I can tell you I feel much better. By your second work day, your week is half over.
"[In 011] Various Beat Cars are to be held down in two hour increments to monitor the PODS."
THIS IS INSANE. POLICE ARE SHORTHANDED. GET THOSE OFFICERS BACK ON THE STREET!
Christ, they can see what's happening on the corner if they're driving past it...and can do something about it from there, too.
"POD room is open to the public to come and sit down with officers!! They can 'learn' to use and watch the POD."
--11/10/2010 07:14:00 AM
Thank God this is nothing more than an idiotic "flash in the pan" and won't outlast the month.
"Bring Your Kid To Work Day" doesn't mean you sit him down and let him have a try at running the $650 million rolling mill...
Chicago Public Library once tried this; I simply refused to deal with the 12-year-old behind the counter. "You are not an employee of the library. I am not handing you my confidential information. You are also in violation of federal child labor laws."
I got an adult librarian -- real fast, too.
Never saw that stunt again.
Not standing up for the FOP but I have to wonder just how many of the posters here that rag on the union actually attend the meetings?
3 wounded in separate shootings on NW, SW Sides.
2 wounded in shooting on West Side
3 wounded in Wrigleyville shooting
--11/10/2010 06:50:00 AM
Yeah, the Official Something In The Air Meter that I operate predicted this days ago. See? Beats PAU's stapler every time.
Really weird out there with the sudden time change -- dark by 5 PM now -- and the unusually warm weather. People driving like they're seeing a steering wheel for the first time.
Equivalent of a full moon.
It's because the FOP chooses completely stupid guaranteed loser cases to try and bitch about.
What better way for Daley to help destroy the unions in Chicago than make them file petty and stupid grievances and then publicize it?
What better way for Daley to make union employees want to decertify their unions to cause chaos and help destroy unions in Chicago than to file loser cases, and then lose?
11/10/2010 06:47:00 AM
You sound like a real union guy. Why does Fop pick loser cases? Maybe ask the men and women that work in 005, 008, 013 and 020 if they wanted the Fop to fight for them. Its my understanding thats what they wanted. It must be nice to have a crystal ball and be so smart. How do you stand the rest of us?
TRU Copper....Can someone please tell me when I need to start cleaning out my locker? According to a couple of butt clowns on here we should be disbanned any day now right?
It makes sense for EVERYONE on the Department to be on the 4 and 2 schedule.. 8 hr. days.
What about the swipe in-swipe out, Department wide, coming Jan. 1st ? Is it true ?
Actually, it's an 8.5 day, (well, all depending on your check off sgt). As for the swiping in and out, yep it's coming! No more early outs. Your pay check will be based on your swipe in and out times. A 15 min leeway will be given on both ends, meaning you will have up to a quarter after and a quarter to the hour to swipe. Anytime after that, you better have a slip in.
11/10/2010 12:19:00 AM
We need shields at the pension board,I emailed all of the top guys with questions,the only 1 who responded was Mike Shields! I email flop all of them,doherrty,donohue,bella,davis,aguliar the only 1 that responds is Sid Davis! Another reason for a brand new slate,let me rethink it MIKE SHIELDS FOR FOP PRESIDENT,as long as he throws out ALL the old fat goofs at the top!
Marine Unit officers to storm the city tommorow in TRU and MSF !!! Let the games begin!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll tell ya', not since I came on back in 85' have we had dis much negative press! I just got back from the jewelers where I got my wife's new 14K gold police star
to wear around her neck, over her white turtle-neck, with the green Hawks jersey over dat..what a beut! Anyhoo, stay strong fellas, this clusterf*ck will pass soon enough, three clinks to ya all, especially my number one vet..One star and three bars
-20yr wagon guy
The 4-2 schedule sucks. I have 17yrs on the job and used to keep a lot of hours on the books. Since the switch, I've burned more time this year than I did in 3yrs combined. With the 4-2 schedule you lose the 3 day weekends. Granted, they came around every 6th & 7th week, but they still existed. With the old schedule if you wanted a 4 day weekend you only burned 8hrs. Now you'll burn 17hrs for a four day weekend. It sucks big time. Also, if you use a BFD you'll burn an extra half hour of your time per day. I like long stretches away from the job and the city. I hardly ever left the city this year because of having only 2 days off. This 4-2 WILL eat up your comp-time.
11/10/2010 09:42:00 AM
Obviously you do not effectively know how to manage your time. As I have hardly taken any days off this year with the 4-2.
The 4-2 schedule sucks. I have 17yrs on the job and used to keep a lot of hours on the books. Since the switch, I've burned more time this year than I did in 3yrs combined. With the 4-2 schedule you lose the 3 day weekends. Granted, they came around every 6th & 7th week, but they still existed. With the old schedule if you wanted a 4 day weekend you only burned 8hrs. Now you'll burn 17hrs for a four day weekend. It sucks big time. Also, if you use a BFD you'll burn an extra half hour of your time per day. I like long stretches away from the job and the city. I hardly ever left the city this year because of having only 2 days off. This 4-2 WILL eat up your comp-time.
11/10/2010 09:42:00 AM
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You gotta be kidding. 25 yrs on and I think this 4/2 is GREAT! You'll never find a schedule where EVERYONE is happy!
OT
Thanks to the 55 team's fuck up at Mc Donalds, the entire MSF unit is again in the negative press. Word is T.O got stripped and the entire team is getting ready to get launched back to the districts. Over one guy's mistake, we all have to pay? Thanks for nothing LT. S.L.
For Christ's sake, I just got out of Area 2!!!
-MSF copper
11/10/2010 01:29:00 PM
Damn, he was doing great for my fantasy team!
It makes sense for EVERYONE on the Department to be on the 4 and 2 schedule.. 8 hr. days.
What about the swipe in-swipe out, Department wide, coming Jan. 1st ? Is it true ?
we are supposed to swipe in and out in 008 and I havent done it for years.. well, nobody has done it for years. it was a pilot program about 4 years ago and is still supposed to be in place however not one person does it..in fact, I would say 75 percent of the people in 008 dont even know we are supposed to swipe in and out... nobody enforces it so who gives a crap
11/10/2010 01:29:00 PM
The LT and your unit is a joke. Go back to Area 2, and go back to being the police. fuck the stroke farce.
The 4-2 schedule sucks. I have 17yrs on the job and used to keep a lot of hours on the books. Since the switch, I've burned more time this year than I did in 3yrs combined. With the 4-2 schedule you lose the 3 day weekends. Granted, they came around every 6th & 7th week, but they still existed. With the old schedule if you wanted a 4 day weekend you only burned 8hrs. Now you'll burn 17hrs for a four day weekend. It sucks big time. Also, if you use a BFD you'll burn an extra half hour of your time per day. I like long stretches away from the job and the city. I hardly ever left the city this year because of having only 2 days off. This 4-2 WILL eat up your comp-time.
You hit the nail right on the head. A few years back the City went through an audit in order to renew it's bond rating. The accountants found that nobody ever counted our time on the books in the red, which they are required to do. Comp time is considered a debit in case employees want to sell back those hours. At the time the City was violating federal labor law by not allowing officers to do so. The bond rating dropped. They even approached some officers with huge comp time and told them to start checking the money box. They soon allowed supervisors to sell back hours.
Who ever came up with the idea of four & two's was a genius. Our over worked troops went for it right away. And the city keeps chipping away at the comp time. Win-Win. Who does the math anyway?
Just remember. If this administration is offering you something, it's not for your benefit.
Not surprised. The FOP utterly sucks when representing our interests. Their mentality of "let's not upset the city" totally has transformed into this.
11/10/2010 05:44:00 AM
Eat shit, loser. The FOP has won tons of arbitrations this year. They just don't brag about it. SCC only posts the losses. No one posts the wins.
11/10/2010 08:41:00 AM
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So, here's your opportunity and you blew it. Post those wins. Would love to see them.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Off Topic, remember when they used to promote someone, the Department would actually let you know via Pax 501, or an email or a teletype or FAX? Why is everything done in the middle of the night now? BTW, Congrats Commander Waller, it's now official I see.
11/10/2010 11:25:00 AM
Log into CLEAR and go to unit message in box. All the personnel orders are posted there.
4 days on 2 off, the private sector is 5 on 2 off
To say this sucks based on (2)3 day weekends every 5 weeks on the old 6 day work week is retarded
If your burning too much time than stop taking days off
I guess I'm old school, work comes first
The 4-2 schedule sucks. I have 17yrs on the job and used to keep a lot of hours on the books. Since the switch, I've burned more time this year than I did in 3yrs combined. With the 4-2 schedule you lose the 3 day weekends. Granted, they came around every 6th & 7th week, but they still existed. With the old schedule if you wanted a 4 day weekend you only burned 8hrs. Now you'll burn 17hrs for a four day weekend. It sucks big time. Also, if you use a BFD you'll burn an extra half hour of your time per day. I like long stretches away from the job and the city. I hardly ever left the city this year because of having only 2 days off. This 4-2 WILL eat up your comp-time.
OMG...shut up Seiser...u are nothing but a malcontent....who will NEVER be happy.
I like the 4-2. I know the 6-3 guys loved that schedule too but wasnt the whole point when all of this started for us to get rid of the 6th working day? Doesnt matter, people will whine
"3 people shot outside of wrigley field?.... How come this didn't make the news?
11/10/2010 09:20:00 AM"
maybe they were cub fans, so who'd give a shit?
Anonymous said...
I used to work the old 6 on and two days off schedule with every fifth and sixth week getting three days off.
Working six straight days? No thank you. The 4 on and two off is wonderful. And if I feel stressed out or just need a day off or two, I can take one day off and add it to my two rdo's and ahhhhh it feels soooooo good.
11/10/2010 09:58:00 AM
Yeah we all used to do that. 10 hour days are way better than the 4 and 2. Wish we could all have that schedule. Glad you feel soooo good asshat
Anonymous said...
We're going back to the 6-2 schedule after next year, uggg.
11/10/2010 07:12:00 AM
Like fucking hell we are.
To those praising the 4 & 2, I have no doubt that you like it when compared to the 6 & 2, but the 10 hour days are great. You have so much time away from the B.S. at work. It was great being able to go places on the 4 day weekends without the need to burn time (burn 40 hours (or 4 pdays) in the middle of your weekends and you have 12 days off). As far as everyone being on the same schedule, why? What one district does with their schedule has nothing to do with what another one does. It obviously isnt a problem to have units doing different schedules (are the people at 35th st going to the 4 & 2? TRU? MSF?). What was the problem with having options? The city rarely takes a common sense approach to how they treat their employees, and common sense says that with a department as large as ours, one schedule will not fit everyone. Having the options would have been nice. But that actually shows a concern for your employees.... The last 2 years with 10 hour days has been pretty stress free.. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted.
It makes sense for EVERYONE on the Department to be on the 4 and 2 schedule.. 8 hr. days.
What about the swipe in-swipe out, Department wide, coming Jan. 1st ? Is it true ?
To Above:
You are an asshat!!!!
Thanks to the 55 team's fuck up at Mc Donalds, the entire MSF unit is again in the negative press.
--Damn! Don't go into a place EXPECTING something for free. Brown bag it if you don't have money!
What about the elite guys in tru and msf, I bet they get to continue to enjoy those 3 day weekends every week with the occassional 4 dayers in there?
11/10/2010 10:41:00 AM
If you want to "enjoy" those three and four day weekends put in your par form to go to TRU or MSF, otherwise shut your mouth and stop complaining. The biggest problem with this department is everyone is always worried about what everyone else is doing. If you are not in those units how much does there work schedule affect you....ZERO. Start worrying about yourself.
once upon a time we rotated backwards every 28 days--- we were the only department who was still doing it when the change was made around 1992---- the watch parties were the best, everyone drank together and it was usually like wrestlemania by the end of the night---- ohhhh those were the days....
Anonymous said...
10 hour days, the best!
MSF! MSF! MSF! MSF! MSF! MSF!
11/10/2010 11:24:00 AM
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So I guess you're on the Jody Weiss Band Wagon? It's his pet unit.
Jodie! Jodie! Jodie! Jodie! Jodie!
what schedule are the ets gonna b on?
i love the 4-2, but the city makes out like bandits with it. you burn more time off the books with it.THATS WHY WE ALL HAVE IT NOW...
OFF TOPIC!!! Anyone know what's going on with PO C. Swiss fed case???? Heard ADS Tobias testified for the prosecution today and Swiss' defense attorney made him look like an idiot on the stand?????
The 4-2 schedule sucks. I have 17yrs on the job and used to keep a lot of hours on the books. Since the switch, I've burned more time this year than I did in 3yrs combined. With the 4-2 schedule you lose the 3 day weekends. Granted, they came around every 6th & 7th week, but they still existed. With the old schedule if you wanted a 4 day weekend you only burned 8hrs. Now you'll burn 17hrs for a four day weekend. It sucks big time. Also, if you use a BFD you'll burn an extra half hour of your time per day. I like long stretches away from the job and the city. I hardly ever left the city this year because of having only 2 days off. This 4-2 WILL eat up your comp-time.
I said this when it started, the reason the city went with it is because it worked for them; they knew we would burn through our comp time to have more time off, and thus, take more time instead of money for overtime. I for one would have loved the the 6 and 3, same schedule three off every week with four on the weekends. 4 and 2 isn't bad but I never take extra time, i'm not gonna blow through time as the city would like..
MSF and TRU will stay on 10 hour days, it's the only reason most stay in those units, if they make them switch they will most surely bail.
I work in MSF as a Sgt. This copper whojust got stripped is a complete immnature goof wh o has no business carrying a gun. you young boys just don't get it, don't drink, drink and act like an ASSHOLE. Period, the world doesnt evolve around you, getting into an argument at Mcdonalds over food, This is what SHitheads do, fight over food,Don't blame getting caught b y a train the reason he got stripped, it was just plain stupid, and that little minnie me ,I want to be liked by the guys Lt. will be going BYE BYe over this, his wife can't save him.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I don't know how well this is going to work in narcotics.
Some of those investigations you just wouldn't want to be away from after 4 days. It's gonna be interesting.
hey hey, slow down there hard charger... yeah, all that work getting done in narcotics, whatever. believe me, you'll get by just fine
why can't a decision be made regarding furlo picks for units 701 & 704? 701 can't work 704 overtime but 701 needs to pick furlo with 704. WTF!!!
Anyone who dosen't see the writing on the wall is stupid. This is nothing but a factory job with shit hours and punitive damages. Now get out there and risk everything for the voters of crook county.
So much for the fellows in Area 2 saying they were staying on the 10 hour day.
Guess that screws the house mice with the 5-2 schedule, eh? Or do you think that's gonna change as well.
TO: 11/10/2010 09:42:00 AM
Instead of burning time due, why don't you try talking to the W/C about switching a day off here and there? That way you can get 3 days off, tho you may have to work 5 days. But at least you are not burning time.
Heard another sgt busted free from vice. Nice pick eb with oz. Hes just great.
I didn't think the 4-2 for everyone included specialized units. But if it did, who cares?
Anonymous said...
once upon a time we rotated backwards every 28 days--- we were the only department who was still doing it when the change was made around 1992---- the watch parties were the best, everyone drank together and it was usually like wrestlemania by the end of the night---- ohhhh those were the days....
11/10/2010 06:38:00 PM
Was actually 01 Apr 93 that we stopped that........
00 AM Obviously you do not effectively know how to manage your time. As I have hardly taken any days off this year with the 4-2. 11/10/2010 03:00:00 PM
That's probably because you eat, sleep and shit this job. Get a life and then you'll see that there's more to life than this job. Been there, did that.
hey mr. sgt from msf you must work for lt p.k., because everybody that works for him is miserable and it must be catching!
Anonymous said...
The 4-2 schedule sucks. I have 17yrs on the job and used to keep a lot of hours on the books. Since the switch, I've burned more time this year than I did in 3yrs combined. With the 4-2 schedule you lose the 3 day weekends. Granted, they came around every 6th & 7th week, but they still existed. With the old schedule if you wanted a 4 day weekend you only burned 8hrs. Now you'll burn 17hrs for a four day weekend. It sucks big time. Also, if you use a BFD you'll burn an extra half hour of your time per day. I like long stretches away from the job and the city. I hardly ever left the city this year because of having only 2 days off. This 4-2 WILL eat up your comp-time.
I said this when it started, the reason the city went with it is because it worked for them; they knew we would burn through our comp time to have more time off, and thus, take more time instead of money for overtime. I for one would have loved the the 6 and 3, same schedule three off every week with four on the weekends. 4 and 2 isn't bad but I never take extra time, i'm not gonna blow through time as the city would like..
11/10/2010 09:08:00 PM
You sure can't please everyone. This guy got that heavy gold brick and has trouble lifting it.
The 4 & 2 means 18 extra paid days off a year that weren't there before. Can you count? 18 extra days off. You would rather work 18 more days a year to get those 8 weekends a year? That is insane.
To me the 4 & 2 schedule means work fewer days a year total and fewer days in a row till my days off.
It is the best thing to happen in my 25 years. The best, bar none.
Learn to add.
Anonymous said...
i love the 4-2, but the city makes out like bandits with it. you burn more time off the books with it.THATS WHY WE ALL HAVE IT NOW...
11/10/2010 07:39:00 PM
Again, 18 extra days off a year. How does the city make out? If you get time on the books you will eventually either use them or get paid for them. How is the city "making out like bandits?" By you using your time to take days off that you want and request and ask for?
I feel we picked their pocket cleanly.
Anonymous said...
I have only been in the 6-3 schedule for just over a year now, and I have to say it was a great schedule. I am able to enjoy 3 days in a row with my wife and my 7 month old daughter. When we want to go away for a few days, I had 3 days to enjoy! Heck, if I burned 1 day of comp-time I had a 4 day weekend!
I have to give the 4-2 a chance before I can say I do or do not like it, but I am extremely unnerved in the way our wonderful union went about handling this issue. I was quite disheartened when I saw union representatives at our roll calls in the 013th district explaining how the 4-2 schedule would work and could be a benefit to us. I would have been ok with this if they would have done this on the day of the arbitrators ruling. But our pitiful and quite useless union (as I have come to realize) visited 013 2 weeks ago to talk about the 4-2 schedule. What was the point of even fighting for these schedules!
Let all remember that the FOP elections are just around the corner!
11/10/2010 08:21:00 AM
When the city & FOP agreed on alternate work schedules they also agreed to go to arbitration in case an agreeable solution could not be worked out. That was part of the agreement. Possible arbitration.
When the rest of the city all got the 4-2 schedule the city wanted the whole city to go to the 4-2 and quit the 10 hour day and 6-3. FOP argued for those units to keep those schedules since the majority of officers said they wanted to keep those hours.
Ultimately the City (management) said they wanted all districts etc. to be on the same work schedule. They are management after all. If I got the schedule I wanted I would be working 2 days and off 6 and I am pissed at FOP I didn't get it. Elections coming, someone will pay that I didn't get the 2 day work week.
Anyway, in keeping with the agreement the FOP pushed the work schedule to arbitration for those districts etc. not already in the 4-2. It was assumed the City would prevail on this and they did. Not unexpected.
Or did anyone really think management would give up all rights to set schedules for employees?
In my humble and unimportant opinion, the 4-2 schedule is the best thing to happen in my career. The best. The bottom line is fewer total days worked each year. Working fewer days is better. Seems simple to me.
Anonymous said...
the 4/2 is really no better for people working the 1st watch. You gotta have some time to "charge your batteries", and 2 days just don't cut it. Might be great on 2nd & 3rd watch, but not so much on 1st!
11/10/2010 08:51:00 AM
Simple and obvious solution: Get off 1st Watch.
money talks
Everything the fop touches gets ruined.
word is that millions of dollars from federal grants the city has received to improve the safety for the citizens as well as the police officer and guess what... when do we start wearing our "Counter Terrorism" designator? ((( LOL ))) this is the best the city can offer?
here is how. you dont work 18 days less, you only work 6hrs less per year(2074hrs to 2080hrs). every bfd u use .5hrs(5 per yer =2.5 hrs u burn per year. say u do this for 10 yrs (thats 25 hrs off the books) now say there is 10,000 coppers, thats 250,000 wiped away.and now with no 3 day weekend, every time u want one u burn more time. been on the 4 and 2 for 2 yrs and my comp time is starting to shrink.
Actually, it's an 8.5 day, (well, all depending on your check off sgt). As for the swiping in and out, yep it's coming! No more early outs. Your pay check will be based on your swipe in and out times. A 15 min leeway will be given on both ends, meaning you will have up to a quarter after and a quarter to the hour to swipe. Anytime after that, you better have a slip in.
Your wrong software is out dated already. The city never catches up and then its to late
We need shields at the pension board,I emailed all of the top guys with questions,the only 1 who responded was Mike Shields! I email flop all of them,doherrty,donohue,bella,davis,aguliar the only 1 that responds is Sid Davis! Another reason for a brand new slate,let me rethink it MIKE SHIELDS FOR FOP PRESIDENT,as long as he throws out ALL the old fat goofs at the top!
11/10/2010 02:24:00 PM
Again. thank you Mike Shields for your endless attempts to turn any post into a "Mike Shields for President" comment. Give it a rest kid. We're headed for a two tiered pension this month, reduced payouts, and increased retirement age. As our pension rep, what is your plan? It's your time to shine, boy. If you can. Time to stop the endless campaigning and actually do something. We will all know just who you are in about a month or so.
The 10 hr day really worked for working parents and being there for your families. Now, my wife may have to quit her job and stay home because child care is too expensive. It never has good re
sult when a decision is handled by an arbitrator at least for CPD. Fuck 4/2! I would rather have my 4 day weekends! I proclaim anarchy this shit sucks!
We never get a say in anything, or do a legitimate Union vote on issues such as this.
Was actually 01 Apr 93 that we stopped that........
11/11/2010 01:22:00 AM
You are off by near-exactly one year. It was change day starting the fourth period in early April 1994, not 1993. It is etched in my mind forever because it ended the nonesense and lunacy of rotating backwards every 28 days.
Anonymous said...
Was actually 01 Apr 93 that we stopped that........
11/11/2010 01:22:00 AM
You are off by near-exactly one year. It was change day starting the fourth period in early April 1994, not 1993. It is etched in my mind forever because it ended the nonsense and lunacy of rotating backwards every 28 days.
11/11/2010 09:52:00 PM
I thought it was 1993 but no matter.
I would take the nonsense and lunacy of then over the insanity and absurdity of today any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
I stopped rotating watches when I figured out how to become a 3rd Watch dog. Remember them? You had to produce to rotate. Slow down and they stuck you on straight third watch. That was perfectly OK with me. Different car and partner every day. Expectations were low and they were met. One mover and a couple of parkers a day. Occasional arrest and provide backup. That was it. And then came the scourge of CAPS...
I would take the nonsense and lunacy of then over the insanity and absurdity of today any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
11/12/2010 05:15:00 PM
I agree with you, but my original reference about nonsense and lunacy was focused only on the act of rotating backwards. I was not commenting on then versus now in the broader sense.
Had they simply changed to rotating forwards, people would have been happier and the impact to the culture would have been much less detrimental. IMHO, implementing straight shifts ruined the job by creating a totally different culture, which led to the creation and subsequent nurturing of the internal conditions we have suffered since.
I know time marches on, but some things simply tweeked are better for overall conditions than if they are completely eliminated.
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