Range One Step Closer
The Metropolitan Water Reclamation District Board on Thursday advanced a proposal to build an outdoor shooting range on district property near the Hegewisch Marsh despite opposition from conservationists.
By a vote of 7-2, the board agreed to negotiate a lease with the city that would allow Chicago police to build the $2.5 million, 33-acre outdoor range in the 2000 block of East 134th Street for tactical firearms training. The issue will ultimately need City Council approval.
Environmental groups oppose the range, saying gunshots could disrupt a planned nature education center that will cater to families and young children. They also said the city hadn't done enough study to determine whether the range's presence would impact migrating birds.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
71 Comments:
The NIMBY's and the BANANA's (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anybody) need to jump into Lake Calumet. I sure hope I am wrong on this, but the problem is that these tree hugging asshats will sue and tie the range up in court for years, so the city will eventually give up and it won't be built.
Careful it is loaded with Toxic Waste!! Another shit deal on the fly and Pos will suffer. BTW where is all the lead going into the water supply. access to get there Northsiders screwed but then again it is for the chosen SWAT type folks
What was that beer ad in the 1980's "Its the water and a whole lot more" Drink up the waste and enjoy for the clouted range that regular cops will never use
where is the envitonmental impact study
Those cops need to be tougher on crime...but speak politely to the thugs. Those cops need to be better trained...as long as it doesn't disturb any birds. We need more cops in this city...as long as it doesn't cost anything. Those cops should risk their lives to save ours...but they don't deserve a pension. Man, these cops.
Oh horseshit.
These jagoffs have any number of 'environmental' pretexts they trot out to oppose anything and everything that involves turning a shovel of dirt. There's always some rare bird or endangered salamander or ecologically critical rodent that needs to be studied and restudied and re-restudied.... The only way to handle 'environmentalists' is to blow past them. Do not dignify their bullshit with any sort of response. Once they've weaseled their way into the process and established a toehold, forget it. They halt progress and demand that everyone's energy be directed to answering their imaginary bullshit; that process can take YEARS.
I drive by that site any number of times per day and there is no more perfect place in the City of Chicago for a range.
Call the Pope and tell him you support the Hegewisch Range. I will be.
If these conservationists were afraid gunfire would frighten the birds, why didn't they complain about Altgeld Gardens?
Where's The Love You Tree Hugging Libtards
How about Us Transient Cougars Too ?
MASTERS X 3
FREE COZZI
The liberal is a strange animal that needs to go extinct! Birds who the fuck cares
can somebody show us the city's response to the environmental people been waiting for a range for forever or we trying to bluff our way through this again like we always do
Good. Build it. It is ridiculous that a major city is using small suburban or state ranges. We should be training with pop ups, building mock ups, and long gun ranges.
Can we then start talking about having our own crime lab? Waiting a year and a half for evidence from a murder to be completed by the ISP lab while known offenders walk the streets has to stop.
So these environmental groups are bitching about an outdoor range, but say nothing about the toxic fumes being released into the air from the nearby Ford assembly plant? Every time I’ve been in that area, it has a weird chemical smell that can’t be good for anyone’s health, including animals.
Saw a George Carlin clip on "NYPD Rant" earlier in the week. It was funny and right on about enviro-wackos.
If you build it, they will still come.
Why can't we use the CVL range over by the Golden Dome? Inter-active moving targets with real life real time scenarios. They're open 24/7 and the neighbors would appreciate the reduction in loud reports and toxic flying lead that our usage would bring over the current hodge-podge of users. This is a win-win. Scrap guys to pick up the brass and lead as it's going down-range. I love it!
All the gunfire on the west-side hasn't bothered the migratory geese, not one bit. In fact they seem to have multiplied along with a greatly increased population of raccoons. I swear I saw raccoons on Madison ave. Let's see, more gunfire seems to increase the wildlife population by my observations so maybe we should place four ranges around the city to evenly space out the growing population and there's plenty of room on the north-side for a range with the newly acquired land around O'Hare airport. There's also plenty of lakefront property that could use the lake as it's backdrop just like at Camp Perry in Ohio. We have the room, we need the will and determination to do it.
With all the posing and preening that is going to be happening there by swat types (assigned, wannabe assigned and tactical website shoppers), they should have just passed the range off as a modeling runway to the conservationists.
With modern tech stuff, why not get a fancy video game system?
There's a reason nothing has been developed down there for all these years but hey, let's send in the blue canaries and see how they fare. Glad I'll be long gone before this thing is anywhere near completion. As much as we need the range, we don't need it at this toxic dump.
Isn't this in the same area that king dick wanted to build an airport(Lake Calumet)...bet they didn't give a fuck about the birds then
Hey! "Dats where us East Siders go Hobey hunting"
LOLZ @ 02:52:00 AM!
Now now! Leave the resolute non-contributors out of it!
It's all about you mean and e-ville Po-leece!
"When y'all hirin'? I just got a l'il weed on mah record but that alderman says i'm all good... Right office? How long it takes to get up in Narcotics tho'?"
This Outdoor Range will be great for the Department. It will allow us to do the training that we have always wanted to, and never had the facilities for.
Sorry for the Northsiders who will have to travel farther, but it will be no farther than Harvey's Range which we have been using for years...and it will be cleaner and a lot better run.
There is no toxic waste. It is surrounded by a state and federally controlled landfill. It may not be terribly pretty or smell the best, but it will be OURS.
Anyone who has every shot at Harvey or any outdoor range knows that wildlife abounds in these areas. The wildlife argument is moot.
Please, quite complaining and look at what a great step this is. The City, Department, and the Unions all worked TOGETHER to make this happen...when is the last time they were you united on anything?!?
This is fantastic news!!!
--RangeGuy
2000 E. 134th St. is a giant landfill! Enjoy the smell on a hot summer day.
They closed Lincoln Park Gun Club @ LSD & Diversey for the same argument. Unfortunately for you boots on the ground, down range operators in the Hood, Precedent is on their side.
Blame the envivornmental types all you want, It's being delayed due to them trying to get Patrick Daley the necessary credentials& financial backing to open the range. It takes time to launder Russian Mafia Drug Money. Billy Dec& The Vaneckos are working as hard as they can....
Poor Northsiders, deal with it. Driving school in 025 is miles away from southsiders, all the promotion exams are on the Northside. Man Up.
that range will only be open to range guys, swat, womens tactical association. all the officers that dont kiss any of the above mentioned people's ass will never get a chance to shoot on the range. it will always be closed for a class.
What about the 100 years of pullutants, drudge, slim and shit that has been plaguing that area from big business, factories and the likes? What about the garbage dump, harbor filth and general disarray the area sports now?
These shitbirds don't come out of the wood work unless it spoils something for others. Fuck 'em!
If you build it, they will come. Bring it eco-turds. Stand on the hundred yard line and state your case...don't mind me, I'm just reloading.
Built on a landfill NICE!
Anything with Ray Ray on it turns to SHIT!!!!!
Careful it is loaded with Toxic Waste!! Another shit deal on the fly and Pos will suffer. BTW where is all the lead going into the water supply. access to get there Northsiders screwed but then again it is for the chosen SWAT type folks
It's jackasses like you that I fear will flock to the next police exam like flies to fresh poop. Ypu are an asshat!
This has been a project of Hamilton's for a while now. Like him or not, when/if this is accomplished it will be a great step in the right direction for this dept. and hopefully will be a benefit to all P.O.'s To all the troll's on the blog that like to start rumors and spout their "beliefs" which have no fact to back them please wear mittens while viewing this blog.
Give me a raise a solvent pension, lower health care costs. Fuck the range. Even if they built one there is no money for ammo in the budget, no manpower to man it and not enough patrolman to support taking people off the streets to train. So don't worry about the stupid fucking range. If your tire was flat would you worry about washing the windows.
This has been a long time coming. It was absurd that we were beholden to Harvey for their range and high time we got our own. A little internet research on the location shows it is not, and was never, a toxic waste dump. With all the landfill around there watch out for rats or look on the bright side, moving targets.
The far south side location is a bite in the ass for nortsiders but I'll take it over nothing at all. I will say this for the dept (and not much more) the gun training has really improved in the past few years. What with the rifle course, CQB class and much more frequent shotgun training we are making strides where we once never moved at all. Now that we will have our own space, who knows, maybe the ball will keep rolling in the right direction. Ill remain optomistic but I wont hold my breath.
Why not build it in a corn field in Hammond Ind. Some of the officers do live north, like Northside you know. Why not the old Diversey Gun Club on LSD. Was the 134th St. location owned and sold by Eddie Burke.
Listen, gun range, birds, men with shotguns, what else does anyone want?
SCC,
Give the props to the Supt and Lt Ray Ray.
Who really cares?
Its a hangout for SWAT , jarhead wannabe types.
And as others have said, it's very toxic and a threat to humans.....yes, there is a reason nothing gets built there.
A 'planned' nature center. Well, how about a funded range and too bad for being johnny comes too lately?
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"migrating birds" now. What next? Transient elks? A range is needed. The city has the land. Build it.
That would be AWSOME!!!!!! Elk hunting in the city!!!
Why does it matter that it's so far south?
You nit-wits crying about how far from the north side will be on company time going there.
Get a life!
I would like to see soil core samples taken and a proper analysis performed, NOT by city personnel, to let us know what is under that toxic mess.
If past experience is any guide (attention Predictive Analysis Unit) there are any number of solvents, VOC's, toxic chemicals, heavy metals, poisons etc. in that landfill.
You can bet that if they will give the land up to police officers for a range that there are no connected developers willing to go anywhere near it.
If it was any good, we wouldn't get it.
Honest to christ, they killed the range at Diversey Harbor, they killed off Fox Valley range and now fucking "migrating birds" are an issue?
Hey, this is the Midwest, migrating birds" are everywhere around here, they go south for the winter and north for the summer, right overhead. Every year. There is no special "bird highway in the sky" The whole sky is full of those shit machines.
Fucking John Hancock Center and Sears Tower (fuck Willis!) kill more migrating birds than any range over a sludge pit ever will.
And the aquatic life around there are all Frankenstein frogs and fish, with tumors and 6 legs and triple heads etc. from the witches brew of poison they live in.
There is suitable land centrally located on the west side where gunshots don't bother anyone. Put Section 8 housing over that landfill out south. Not good for anything else.
Go get'em Bill.... short term memory loss !!!! You crack me up
How many of you know that the landfill on the south section of the proposed space is STILL used for all kind of "storage".
It just happened that this south end of the landfill is in Calumet City!!!!
Do your homework !!!
It's not ALL about the Birds!!!
This Dumping ground is ground zero of the southeast side for different types of medical issues!!
Though NOT proven! But the population can attest to that..!!
Wow!! Environment doesn't matter to many !!
Are those of us in Mt. Greenwood going to have to listen to gunshots all day long now? 2000 block of 134th street ... exactly how close is that to, say, 111th and Kedzie?
You can bet that if they will give the land up to police officers for a range that there are no connected developers willing to go anywhere near it.
If it was any good, we wouldn't get it.
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Right. Perhaps they should make Navy Pier into a range, or start bulldozing berms onto Michigan Avenue.
This is an efficient use of an available land resource. Those lands aren't appropriate for residential development, but they're perfectly OK for guys to run around and shoot guns on.
To all the douchebags that keep complaining about the place being a toxic dump STFU! It is NOT even on grounds that were ever for garbage. It IS SURROUNDED by garbage dumps. Really, as much as I hate to say it, maybe the WEISel was right. There are a few that would complain about the weight of a gold brick.
Never thought there was so many that were jealous of the SWAT guys too...good thing is that there should be a tryout soon. Soon all of those that are so over qualified can tryout and show the entire dept. what we've been missing.
Anonymous said...
All the gunfire on the west-side hasn't bothered the migratory geese, not one bit. In fact they seem to have multiplied along with a greatly increased population of raccoons. I swear I saw raccoons on Madison ave. Let's see, more gunfire seems to increase the wildlife population by my observations so maybe we should place four ranges around the city to evenly space out the growing population and there's plenty of room on the north-side for a range with the newly acquired land around O'Hare airport. There's also plenty of lakefront property that could use the lake as it's backdrop just like at Camp Perry in Ohio. We have the room, we need the will and determination to do it.
11/05/2010 07:55:00 AM
OK tough guy. Obviously you have never worked the west side. There is No Madison AVENUE, it is Madison STREET. Since you've never been there, you would know no different.
Go there shoot and leave, no problem. You won't be living there let the range guys worry about that. I would be afraid on a hot summer day when the dust blows around. Wear a mask.
Are those of us in Mt. Greenwood going to have to listen to gunshots all day long now? 2000 block of 134th street ... exactly how close is that to, say, 111th and Kedzie?
2000 East you idiot!
Are those of us in Mt. Greenwood going to have to listen to gunshots all day long now? 2000 block of 134th street ... exactly how close is that to, say, 111th and Kedzie?
STFU retard.
Don't forget about the affect this will have on the cougars of Hegewisch. Please, more research is needed.
Anonymous said...
They closed Lincoln Park Gun Club @ LSD & Diversey for the same argument. Unfortunately for you boots on the ground, down range operators in the Hood, Precedent is on their side.
11/05/2010 11:24:00
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I believe that the stupid excuse used for closing the Lincoln Park Gun Club was that the lead from the shot was polluting the lake.
that range will only be open to range guys, swat, womens tactical association. all the officers that dont kiss any of the above mentioned people's ass will never get a chance to shoot on the range. it will always be closed for a class.
11/05/2010 12:10:00 PM
Crybaby asshat. The range is open almost every night if you want to shoot. Weekends too. I guess you would have to stop bitching for a minute to figure that out.
Then again, stay away. You'll just piss off those who choose to train while you talk shit.
Please people, by a clue.
The proposed range site is not on a landfill, it is NEXT too the landfill. The core samples you request would show nothing because the base is made from the rock removed from the deep tunnel project. Things are fine. Quit your bitching and be happy for once.
"Environmental groups oppose the range, saying gunshots could disrupt a planned nature education center that will cater to families and young children."
So send the "families and young children" to see the Northerly Island Bird Hospital instead.
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How about fuck the range bullshit and put the money into funding our pensions,you know the money daley and his cronies owe US!
Anonymous said...
Please people, by a clue.
The proposed range site is not on a landfill, it is NEXT too the landfill. The core samples you request would show nothing because the base is made from the rock removed from the deep tunnel project. Things are fine. Quit your bitching and be happy for once.
11/06/2010 01:49:00 PM
Hell with that, my gold brick is too damn heavy! I need a gold brick wheelbarrow!
NEXT too the landfill. The core . ..Quit your bitching and be happy for once - Then Show us your report!! Ray Ray no follow through. Thanks KB see your still at 365th with the Women's swat show. BTW wasnt Ray your sgt when u used dept cars to do private training????? Grand Jury wants to know and BGA
LT Ray Ray will embarass JFLED and 3M watch!!! I will enjoy the fall
That money should be spent on hiring more cops. Lets address the manpower issue first then worry about other issues.
They keep running out of paper targets and ammunition. All the cars down and ghost cars on the sheets these days, we cant even get in any practice or extra courses in like we would want to. Bosses even tell us that can't afford the car being down 3 hrs or for the 7 hr course so we always have to take a pass.
Watch RAY RAY again walk over all those around him. This guy here is a real class act. Ray I have no respect for you and any respect you thought you would gain by this, will never undo what you have done to those you have fucked over...
Spend the money on pension funding, period.
Anonymous said...
All the gunfire on the west-side hasn't bothered the migratory geese, not one bit. In fact they seem to have multiplied along with a greatly increased population of raccoons. I swear I saw raccoons on Madison ave. Let's see, more gunfire seems to increase the wildlife population.......11/05/2010 07:55:00 AM
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"Avenue?"
"Forget it---he's rolling"
Watch RAY RAY again walk over all those around... his day will come
No ammo so WTF!! Land grab for swat and womens tactical assn. Hello BGA
A lot has been said about this new range. Bottom line is that it has been a long time coming. So much work has been done to push things forward by many different people. The range has been modeled in conjunction with the Best Management Practices that was printed by the EPA. The NRA guidelines for outdoor ranges has also been utilized. There has been testing done by the DNR and other similar agencies. What is most astonishing is that there has been cooperation from the mayors office and other political figures. Alderman Pope has been completely in the corner of the police department on this issue. Businesses in the area also want this range because they know policemen will be eating food, buying gas and spending money in areas they have never been before. It may be a far drive for north siders such as myself but having something like this that is our own is truly a good thing. It is good to see things working the way they should to protect the lives of police officers by getting them better training they need and desire. The environmentalists have spoken in this issue but cannot give solid facts of any harm being done. When all is said and done, this range may save someones life.
Anonymous said
A lot has been said about this new range. Bottom line is that it has been a long time coming. So much work has been done to push things forward by many different people. The range has been modeled in conjunction .....
good response rayray or kb, I was just expecting kb to do a youtube video in which she's crying tears and sobbing "LEAVE RAYRAY ALONE!!"
I especially like the part of ..by many different people.. leaves it open so all his minions can add it to their resumes, merit selection and award reccomendations.
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