An Unused Tool
- Kane County prosecutors have filed a lawsuit against alleged members of an Elgin street gang, the third such instance in which authorities have targeted gangs using the power of the civil courts.
State's Attorney Joe McMahon announced Tuesday that his office filed a lawsuit late last week against 25 reputed members of the Maniac Latin Disciples. Police fanned out Friday to serve those named in the suit with subpoenas, ordering them to appear in civil court.
Kane prosecutors have filed similar civil actions against alleged Latin Kings members in Elgin and Aurora.
"This type of lawsuit has been effective in the past, in this jurisdiction and others, at undercutting street gangs and their ability to carry out their criminal conduct among law-abiding citizens," McMahon said.
The suit seeks unspecified damages from the alleged gang members. It also seeks to prohibit the members from openly associating with each other.
Prohibiting members of a known gang from associating with one another? Holding them civilly liable for acts of intimidation including loitering on corners, wearing colors, flashing signs. It has withstood a couple of court challengers and been used successfully against large criminal organizations. W'eve heard talk about using RICO-type laws against gangs....but here's one in existence already that seems to work. And based on our giant Contact Card system and "two-degrees of separation" strategies, why couldn't this work on a massive scale? Rahm might actually make some money off it to close his budget gap.
Of course, certain politicians would have to find other sources of campaign donations, wouldn't they?
Of course, certain politicians would have to find other sources of campaign donations, wouldn't they?
Labels: crime
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
42 Comments:
It would never work here, and I'll tell you why....
THIS IS COOK COUNTY.
Enough said.
Come on SCC. W all know the Chicago
Machine uses the gangs for voting,protection, and earning. NEVER will lawless Cook County kill the golden goose.
Money is Power,
Which empowers Chicago politicians more: creating a living wage job, say $70K a year job, or sending someone to prison?
Well if they send a person to prison then that can be used as a tool to extract $143/day (according to preckwinkle) from the rest of the taxpayers to keep them incarcerated.
That is about $52,000/year.
On the other hand you would have to have someone earning about $1 mil/year to get $52,000 in tax revenue.
So if you're not making a million dollars you are more valuable to the politicians being sent to jail. They get their hands on more money that way to spend as they please and to build their empires.
Therefore, why worry about educating the next generation for some min wage job. The tax revenue is chump change to them.
Off Topic but very important:
Check out this video.
Watch this video. Then watch it again.
Do not believe the BS that it’s just a simple interview that’s no big deal. Don’t believe that you can save yourself some embarrassment by talking to the agent now clearing up a misunderstanding. Never ever, ever talk to the FBI without an attorney and a recording of the interview. You will be screwed if you do. This goes for all Federal agents.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jgDsbjAYXcQ
Play this at Roll Call and pass it on.
Rowan, Chief 0f Cicero (former CPD) used this about 10 years ago, and was rather successful against the Latin Kings.
Sounds great. Too bad you won't find any narcotics guys/detectives/Asa's willing or smart enough to implement it in cook county. The handful that could do this will they get stopped by a bogus judge.
Chicago coppers aren't the best at documenting all the details (myself included) to make something like this stick. I don't blame them. 26/cal is a joke
Go figure?
One year the city shuts down a beach when fights break out involving maybe 100 people, telling the public that they are concern for peoples safety because of the weather. Why it's 80 degrees out and we fear people will become dehydrated and get heat stroke. We're afraid that first responders will be unable to get to the people that need them.
Fast forward to Fri...
Over a million people will probably hit the streets. It will be 80 degrees and humid and we're gonna ban coolers in an effort to stop public drinking. Really? Yes really. No tolerance!!!
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. yeah?
This is a great idea. too bad Cook County as a whole need these lowlifes to get elected. Maybe this could be used against the other criminal racketeers...like the Daley/Madigan organisations. I wonder what signs they flash ?
Boone County is doing this...successfully. The mopes are even paying their civil penalties.
I'm no lawyer or cop, but if this is true. What happens to "freedom of association" ? As for loitering well that's subjective. But street lounging is is a violation. I remember way back in the 70's I thought chiraqastan passed an ordinance it was a violation for five or more people to be on the corner hanging around.
Might be a fight to make them stick
COs in Asset Forfeiture brought this up years ago, using counties in Texas and California as models. Unfortunately, after extensive briefings and meetings CPD couldn't convince the Cook County State's attorney's or the corp counsel to get on board.
ASAs are so much smarter than anyone from CPD.
Sarcasm/off
Civil RICO laws have been used for years to prosecute everybody from gangs , the outfit, and the KKK. It can be a useful tool against criminal organizations.
Over a million people will probably hit the streets. It will be 80 degrees and humid and we're gonna ban coolers in an effort to stop public drinking. Really? Yes really. No tolerance!!!
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. yeah?
Relax, just wait and see what happens. The parade is going to go on, so quit being such an alarmist
f Topic but very important:
Check out this video.
Watch this video. Then watch it again.
Do not believe the BS that it’s just a simple interview that’s no big deal. Don’t believe that you can save yourself some embarrassment by talking to the agent now clearing up a misunderstanding. Never ever, ever talk to the FBI without an attorney and a recording of the interview. You will be screwed if you do. This goes for all Federal agents.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jgDsbjAYXcQ
Play this at Roll Call and pass it on.
6/27/2013 12:54:00 AM
How about not doing stupid shit and the alphabet police won't come knocking on your door.
It's all about the Money! Rham's new quote should be "Show me the Money!"
Good idea. Politicians will fight it just for that reason.
It would never work in Cook County especially since Gangs are an integral part of Da Machine! In some wards gang members are the Get Out Da Vote Go To Guys! And this goes back to the days of Al Capone. The irony lies in the fact that those wards are the most violent wards in the City.
OT:
Something ain't right over at the old dslc/tn site.andy shaw back on the warpath?
Go figure?
One year the city shuts down a beach when fights break out involving maybe 100 people, telling the public that they are concern for peoples safety because of the weather. Why it's 80 degrees out and we fear people will become dehydrated and get heat stroke. We're afraid that first responders will be unable to get to the people that need them.
Fast forward to Fri...
Over a million people will probably hit the streets. It will be 80 degrees and humid and we're gonna ban coolers in an effort to stop public drinking. Really? Yes really. No tolerance!!!
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. yeah?
6/27/2013 01:16:00 AM
It's for less than two hours. Carry a water bottle and tough it out. No coolers, less likelihood of bombings.
Here's an article about Emmanuel's lies you're sure to enjoy:
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20130521/OPINION/130529982/emanuels-data-mayor-image-doesnt-add-up
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OT: George Zimmerman Trial.
Uhhhh-Ohhhh!
George Zimmerman Witness Can't Read Letter She 'Wrote' About Shooting
A teenage friend of Trayvon Martin was forced to admit today in the George Zimmerman murder trial that she did not write a letter that was sent to Martin's mother describing what she allegedly heard on a phone call with Martin moments before he was shot.
In a painfully embarassing moment, Rachel Jeantel was asked to read the letter out loud in court.
"Are you able to read that at all?" defense attorney Don West asked.
Jeantel, head bowed, eyes averted whispered into the court microphone, "Some but not all. I don't read cursive....
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-witness-read-letter-wrote-shooting/story?id=19504826#.UcxZK_nVB8E
OT: George Zimmerman Trial.
By the way. Now go to the Chicago Tribune site and read their headline on this story.
"Witness heard Trayvon Martin say 'get off!'"
Yeah, it's the same witness.
Sounds great. Too bad you won't find any narcotics guys/detectives/Asa's willing or smart enough to implement it in cook county. The handful that could do this will they get stopped by a bogus judge.
Chicago coppers aren't the best at documenting all the details (myself included) to make something like this stick. I don't blame them. 26/cal is a joke
6/27/2013 01:13:00 AM
And that's why you'll never make detective! Failure to comprehend what you just read. It's a civil lawsuit, it has nothing to do with 26th st, detectives or narcotics officers. People who should file the law suit; city of Chicago, state of Illinois, the Illinois attorney general and the cook county states attorney. Good luck on you next promotional exam, remember read all of the question, understand the question and then answer the question.
OT: Democratic Party Communication Issues.
Here we have Gov. Quinn glorifying Illinois high sulfur polluting coal exports.
http://www3.illinois.gov/PressReleases/ShowPressRelease.cfm?SubjectID=2&RecNum=11150
“Illinois coal is in high demand overseas and we have the resources and infrastructure to take advantage of this opportunity for economic growth,” Governor Quinn said. “Our rail lines and river ports, which we continue to improve under the Illinois Jobs Now! capital construction program, give us a unique export advantage over other states in the region.”
Illinois exported a record 13 million tons of coal in 2012, a five-fold increase from 2.5 million tons in 2010, according to Realizing Illinois’ Coal Export Potential, a report conducted by Energy Ventures Analysis Inc. for the Illinois Office of Coal Development. The report was released at a meeting of coal industry leaders today at Parks-Downtown St. Louis Airport near the Mississippi Riverfront.
That propaganda goes on and on about "economic growth" and all the benefits of exporting it around the globe.
We are told that coal exports are creating jobs in Illinois. HA, now go over to the BLS and try and find the increase in mining jobs in Illinois from this so-called five fold increase in coal exports hype.
No material increase in the number of people employed in the transportation sector either as one might expect from the propaganda.
More hype..
Illinois primed for more export coal growth, Gov. Quinn says
www.progressiverailroading.com/.../Illinois-primed-for-more-export-coa...
May 6, 2013 – Rail Industry Trends article about: Governor Pat Quinn, coal by rail. From the editors of Progressive Railroading Magazine.
Now let's look at Obama's just announced policy on energy.
OH LOOK !!!
HE HATES COAL!!! hahaha..
Obama orders new rules on coal-fired plants, sets condition for ...
www.foxnews.com/.../obama-to-unveil-new-climate-regulations-as-advis...
2 days ago – President Obama pressed ahead Tuesday with his climate change agenda, calling for new regulations on coal-fired power plants and setting a .
Obama orders new rules on coal-fired plants, sets condition for ...
www.foxnews.com/.../obama-to-unveil-new-climate-regulations-as-advis...
2 days ago – President Obama pressed ahead Tuesday with his climate change agenda, calling for new regulations on coal-fired power plants and setting a .
WHAT A BUNCH OF PHONEY"S
If Obama was truly concerned about climate change why not cap coal production!?
Instead it's okay if we export the coal overseas to be burned? WTF is that? Not only are we still pumping the poison into the air now we have all the energy used to ship the toxic fuel halfway around the globe being pumped into the air.
Out of sight our of mind right?
Who made this happen ? The CEO of WTA-Alpha girls.
We consult all over the country to help the departments.
Judy
I totally agree and I have been saying this for years that the city should do this. Hey if it is working in Lgin w should try it here. The city might not get much money from them because of a lack of verifiable income, but they can be stopped from being with each other.
IT'S WORTH A TRY.
Start recommending civil suits against gangs to all victims of gang violence. These gangs have very deep pockets. Then get the IRS after them.
because in Chicago and cook cty, you can only sue the police.
Good luck in federal court with this one. Will never work here. Let the IRS handle this not fucking me
How about not doing stupid shit and the alphabet police won't come knocking on your door.
6/27/2013 09:25:00 AM
You are naive. They target you, it doesn't matter that you "don't do stupid shit."
You go on believing that all you have to do is 'do everything by the book' and you'll be alright.
without juice, this department has you on the list of expendables when it needs pawns or fodder to toss to the wolves on a platter when it needs to look like it's gonna get serious about cleaning things up. That's when they throw you into a spin, and too bad for you that your efforts will be to do what you can to clear your name. By then, you're either at call back, or waiting for the indictments, or both.
Dat be rascst to target my gang. Why they be always against the brothas?
LAPD has used civil injunctions for some time. In fact, they have the info on their webpage listing which gangs have injunctions against them. Civil court = preponderance of evidence, so the burden of proof is lower.
We won't use it here because it's not from the NYPD. BTW, how is stop-and-frisk doing there today? Effectively shut down.
03:28:00 PM
The only gang that the irs would go after is the consrvative vice lords.
sorry meant conservative.
If prosecution's remaining witnesses in the Zimmermann trial are anything like the lying stump Rachael who had a tude during her testimony we will see a NOT Guilty and rightfully so. Fool Trayvon was the instigator with or without Skittles. Never should have even been charged.
Anonymous said...
Civil RICO laws have been used for years to prosecute everybody from gangs , the outfit, and the KKK. It can be a useful tool against criminal organizations.
6/27/2013 09:01:00 AM
Like Daley and his clan ?
If we do all these things then we will lose "the tools" that gary and rahm use against conceal carry. That simple.
We also lose "the tool" to extract more tax dollars to make the public safe. Fear is a powerful motivator.
This is a billion dollar business that is being run here!
When I saw that witness person in the Trayvon case I cringed. She got a bad attitude and is a lying ass lazy thug-ess. And that neck...jeez WTH.
onymous said...
Sounds great. Too bad you won't find any narcotics guys/detectives/Asa's willing or smart enough to implement it in cook county. The handful that could do this will they get stopped by a bogus judge.
Chicago coppers aren't the best at documenting all the details (myself included) to make something like this stick. I don't blame them. 26/cal is a joke
6/27/2013 01:13:00 AM
And that's why you'll never make detective! Failure to comprehend what you just read. It's a civil lawsuit, it has nothing to do with 26th st, detectives or narcotics officers. People who should file the law suit; city of Chicago, state of Illinois, the Illinois attorney general and the cook county states attorney. Good luck on you next promotional exam, remember read all of the question, understand the question and then answer the question.
6/27/2013 01:13:00 PM
Was your response to the original post a joke? Or were you inebriated?
First, if you could read, you would have read the article begins with Kane County Prosecutor/States Attorney Joe McMahon filed....blah blah blah.
Second, criminal and civil cases must have a crime in order to file. Who do you think conducts the investigation? The Organized Crime Division works very closely with Asset Forfeiture States Attorneys, because the investigation is multi-faceted with the dope, guns, gang association, and monies. The states attorneys happen to work out of 26th street.(heard they were moving from Daley Center, unsure cuz I retired)
Third, why in your first sentence did you say this has nothing to do with 26th street, and in your next sentence you say this has to be filed by states attorneys?
Fourth, you sound like a detective, and one that has never worked in OCD. Some of the best detectives originated out of OCD. There truly is alot to learn in OCD, and in its a tremendous base to becoming a good detective someday. You have a a lot of investigative resources and techniques in that are utilized in OCD that you will never use, nor the majority even know exist in the D unit.
Meaning, in the D unit, you are handed an investigation with a crime handed to you = which included at least one name (victim, and you follow up to solve the crime. In OCD, you have to initiate the investigation with absolutely nothing handed to you, and you have to follow up = all while being undercover. (and I'm talking short and long term investigations) I always said OCD personnel should be receiving at least D-1 salary, if not D-2.
I didn't write the original post, but I felt the need to respond. I must say I do agree with the original post in that cpd officers are definitely not the best report writers. Less is not more nowadays. However, the exempts never liked long term investigations, which require alot of time and tons of documentation. So that doesn't help officers to learn proper investigative writing skills when everything is rushed today by our exempt.
Anonymous said...
Sounds great. Too bad you won't find any narcotics guys/detectives/Asa's willing or smart enough to implement it in cook county. The handful that could do this will they get stopped by a bogus judge.
Chicago coppers aren't the best at documenting all the details (myself included) to make something like this stick. I don't blame them. 26/cal is a joke
6/27/2013 01:13:00 AM
And that's why you'll never make detective! Failure to comprehend what you just read. It's a civil lawsuit, it has nothing to do with 26th st, detectives or narcotics officers. People who should file the law suit; city of Chicago, state of Illinois, the Illinois attorney general and the cook county states attorney. Good luck on you next promotional exam, remember read all of the question, understand the question and then answer the question.
6/27/2013 01:13:00 PM
The CPD won't have anything to do with the casework going into these RICO cases or have to give civil court testimony? Thanks for the clarification.
Sounds great. Too bad you won't find any narcotics guys/detectives/Asa's willing or smart enough to implement it in cook county.
The point that was made and missed is the original poster made it seem that states attorneys at 26th street,detectives and OCD officers are to stupid to file such paper work. My point was that they don't file the civil suits. It's the city of Chicago(Mara Georgas)state of Illinois, the Illinois attorney general(Lisa Madigan) and the cook county states attorney(Anita Alvarez. I'm pretty sure she doesn't work at 26th st.
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