Undermanned Again? (UPDATE)
We teased a bit last week about the Department handing out Mass Arrest kits for the potential Blackhawks celebrations, pointing out that last time, disturbances were kept to a minimum. Of course, alcohol makes people do stupid things and last night was no exception as parts of the northside bar scene got stupid:
- Not all of Chicago's Stanley Cup celebrations were peaceful Monday night.
There were a number of arrests and some property damage. Hundreds of gunshots were fired into the night sky right after the Blackhawks won the Stanley Cup. Incredibly, no one was hurt by falling bullets.
However, when throngs of fans -- and just-plain-partiers -- began spilling onto North Side streets, Chicago police suddenly found themselves dodging cans and bottles.
Thank goodness the south and west sides remained calm.
In any event, quite a few observations have made their way into our comment sections and seem to point out a worrying trend that we and others have been pointing out for years - inadequate manpower:
In any event, quite a few observations have made their way into our comment sections and seem to point out a worrying trend that we and others have been pointing out for years - inadequate manpower:
- God help us if the bulls ever win. IT took over six hours to control a bunch of unruly Lincoln parkers. [...] It was an eembarrassment. Countless businesses, vehicles and residences damaged and several officers hurt.
- Very poor preparation for tonight's possible Hawks win. Poor execution after they did win. Too many chiefs and not enough Indians. Where were the arrest teams and prisoner processing areas? Sorry but that was embarrassing.
- During the live broadcast of the mayhem, the NBC reporter even commented that he was told that the Police were prepared for the win. He then went on to say he did not think so, "there are not enough Police out there"
- Apparently they didn't learn anything from the 2010 celebration. In that one, we never knew it would be as big as it was and the exempts back then just kept getting more and more teams until they had it under control. Wouldn't you think they would have done a little research and realized that you need a LOT of manpower to control these idiots????
Hopefully, no serious injuries to the Officers involved, but once again, underestimating manpower needed for things like this and lack of an available large scale response unit is going to get people hurt.
We expect the parade Friday will be different - daylight, families, less heavy drinking.
UPDATE: Here's the article about damage - not much in scale, but pretty much nothing in the way of a police response to the area.
We expect the parade Friday will be different - daylight, families, less heavy drinking.
UPDATE: Here's the article about damage - not much in scale, but pretty much nothing in the way of a police response to the area.
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
91 Comments:
Heard they shutdown the red line to prevent more idiots from showing up, but this also prevented people from leaving as well. Is the CTA not smart enough to run shuttle trains out of the area? If your cut off points are Wilson and Fullerton, any trains running towards belmont/addison run empty. Pick up their passengers and drop them off at Wilson or Fullerton. They would then have to transfer to other trains for the rest of the journey. Cluster yes, but it gets people who want to leave out of the area.
Though, this is dependent on CTA having manpower to organize such effort, and then be willing to sweep trains of passengers to prevent knuckleheads from coming into the neighborhood.
Long story short, SCC is right. Manpower. All the huggy lovey crap doesn't mean shit when they've been drinking for hours.
Way to go Northsider's proving that there's idiots up north just like everywhere else.
No No No SCC!
We're not "undermanned!"
Not while the "smart people" at University of Chicago are conducting their multi-year experiment into how far you can bend a Police Department by starving it of manpower and properly functioning equipment before it breaks.
We honestly think the mayor and stupidintendent are hoping for a major event to take our measure.
Word always was that the powers that be wanted CPD to be shrunk to a total manpower compliment of 5k to 6k.
Problem is they can't get their people (and folks) to stop shooting at everything that moves.
Agreed. Just by watching the news coverage, it was obvious there were not enough police. Especially when they were using the (real) horses to clear Clark street.
The crew of police that composed the front line would push the crowd back forcing them back onto the sidewalks, and at the same time put the metal/steel horses back up separating the crowd on the sidewalk and the now empty portion of the street. Then the 20 police on horses would move up a few feet. What was unbelievable to me was that I only saw about 8 cops on the front line!
Plus I loved how before the Hawks game even started, the media said that CPD brass said they learned so much from the last Hawks win and put super secret precautions in the streets for this year's win. Apparently that was the metal/steel horses set up along Clark Street from Belmont to Addison, which was supposed to keep the people on the sidewalks. We all saw how well that worked.
Bottom line, it was obvious to us nobodys that there was not enough police out there.
We need the Alpha girls out there to show us how it's done.....
We are not undermanned when we have Seiser,he equals 2000 police officers.I once heard that Seiser was amongst an unruly crowd throwing cans and bottles of beers and caught everyone recycling the left over beer into a keg which he drank from,than threw back at the unruly crowd thus making them disperse.Seiser refuses to see Man of Steel,cause in his eyes steel can break,thus making Superman a puss*So says the Man of Titanium,HEIL SEISER!!!
I was proud to be part of different crowd situations over the years where, even though sometimes it took a little "one C.R for the whole event" make-your-presence-felt tactics, the job got done, you'd have a laugh later, and move on to the next day. But those situations, now in hindsight, and in contrast, proved successful due in large part to the rows and rows and throngs of blue shirts awaiting bar patrons after this or that big game, protesters for this or that cause, or any crowd thinking they'd get the better of us.
I still can't believe a silly hockey game on a Monday night almost slipped away. Even though "it could have been worse," it still shouldn't have been what people saw on their screens and what I saw from inside a neighboring district waiting on standby to be deployed. Shameful. You don't wait to see how bad it might be. We should have already lined up beforehand in the usual places (particularly that one), waiting lined up deep with our usual look of, "don't even think about it."
Instead, it was, "bring this, send that, see if you can get streets and san down here with this, get more cars over there for that..."
Too little, too late.
But they'll pat themselves on the back for saving a few bucks.
Embarrassing.
well commander EV did get hurt, the crowd pushed back the barricades onto him
the best was when a high ranking boss got on the air and needed help and wanted cars to came to a corner. No cars were available so the dispatcher told him Boss I guess your on your own!
Experience retired and clout moved up
Did those mffers get called into action
34 business store fronts broken out, Savages. I'm sure the bosses that read your posts Scc are fuming right now. It was embarrassing. I was there from the start to the finish and utterly embarrassing. We are very luck that only two officers were injured.
We expect the parade Friday will be different - daylight, families, less heavy drinking.
Hopefully you are correct but this is part of the problem. We shouldn't expect things to go well we should expect the worst.
I don't know if this department could handle a bull's riot anymore. So much has changed since the 90's.
I’m glad you’re addressing this S.C.C. Monday night was ridiculous, these big-brained white shirts are going to get coppers hurt, plain and simple. These were a bunch of liquored up yuppies and could have easily been handled with adequate manpower and proper leadership. And speaking of poor leadership… Beat 1900 should be ashamed of himself for the nonsense surrounding his ankle injury, hanging coppers out to dry like that, thanks Boss.
Why didn't they redirect the vri cars to help with crowd control. That's right, there to busy guarding are hard paying tax citizens
People that study police tactics and procedure will study Chicago. They will conclude that even good people need a police presence.
It will be too late for Chicago. We are criminally undermanned. I say "criminally" because the reason we are undermanned is because the politicians have stolen us blind and we cannot afford the number of police we pay for and need.
Keep voting the same way. It can get worse and will.
We expect the parade Friday will be different - daylight, families, less heavy drinking.
Don't bet on that.
The last BH celebration was carefully coordinated with ALL city agencies taking part. AND it still was mayhem.
Really??? Lead story on CH 5 news at 630 am. "Police open fire on suspect". Nice reporting.
Ha hay hay Greek boys running the dept !
You sure showed us how to f up things !
Steve and Eli you be da main men's now !
Don't forget a brand new lockup facility within eye sight of all that mayhem on Clark st. and Halsted Bars.
But, if you arrest anyone you have to drive stupid a few miles away to an old lockup at Belmont and Western! Lost time for sure, who thinks this shit up!
25 million dollars for a new Police station and you can't use the fucking lockup! Such a waste of resources!
Time to send McJersey packing! He don't know shit about Chicago!
They are trying to do more with less and they get burned every time.
Wrigleyville was a complete mess. After the win, the crowds poured out onto the streets. There were metal barricades set up. There was one officer every half a block. Sure enough, a few people defied the artificial barricade and then the entire crowd poured onto the streets. Then the usual drunken idiocy ensued. But nothing terrible. God help us if the Bulls win next year. Or if people decide to riot if George Zimmerman is found not guilty.
Everyone thought it was going to go to 7 games and we got caught with our pants down.
according to the inspector general, there are 292 cops working out of title.
try using these cops who do everyone elses job!!!
Shocked they don't call the ISP to come help. We used to come down and help with the Immigration rallies and such. Now after NATO we don't get called as much........
Wicker Park got a bit crazy, but it got handled just fine. Maybe because there was a plan?
Anonymous said...
Heard they shutdown the red line to prevent more idiots from showing up, but this also prevented people from leaving as well. Is the CTA not smart enough to run shuttle trains out of the area? If your cut off points are Wilson and Fullerton, any trains running towards belmont/addison run empty. Pick up their passengers and drop them off at Wilson or Fullerton. They would then have to transfer to other trains for the rest of the journey. Cluster yes, but it gets people who want to leave out of the area.
Though, this is dependent on CTA having manpower to organize such effort, and then be willing to sweep trains of passengers to prevent knuckleheads from coming into the neighborhood.
Long story short, SCC is right. Manpower. All the huggy lovey crap doesn't mean shit when they've been drinking for hours.
Way to go Northsider's proving that there's idiots up north just like everywhere else.
6/26/2013 12:26:00 AM
You are 100% correct about the lack of thinking by CTA and police. Put Addison and Belmont on bypass for regular runs and bring in empty trains to get people out.
But this is the same CTA that calls the police with a crime in-progress on a train but won't hold the train for police while the offender is still on board.
I heard out of the thirty four businesses damaged, not one was a Starbucks.
Remember, those 2,000 plus officers we're short is 2,000 plus contributing to the pension fund. You know what irks me the most. It's when the Mayor or the Supe can stand there and look you in the eye and say "family first" or "your safety is our #1 concern". I say BULLSHIT. We're all expendable to them.
Just A Citizen: I'm sick and tired of reading about the morons who have to act like wild animals after a team wins a game. Vandalism, rioting, etc. For God sake, celebrate and then get your ass home, get to sleep and go to work the next day. Stupid effing idiots.
Just A Citizen says Part 2: And furthermore, why are the police responsible for Every Single Thing any moron does in this city? They can't be everywhere people and just so you know, the Police are NOT babysitters. God Bless All Of You out there!
the metal barricades were a ridiculous and dangerous error...it was anticipated that the spill-out crowds would take the street...the barricades work when there is a flow - such as swarms of people exiting or entering an arena (they have a destination and just need safe contained passage) or as safe contained passage for parade units-----whichever nimrod boss approved barricades needs to be demoted back to a watch in patrol
I didn't see one copper on the ground with a helmet on. Was that an order by the bosses to not put it on or just piss poor planning?
Anyone?
I was wondering why squad cars were left in the middle of the crowds? I saw a few that were surrounded for hours. Wtf is that?
This is an EMBARASSMENT - not only to CPD, but to all who watch the CPD in action.
New general training order - ALL whiteshirts will be required to watch METV from 3PM to 4PM for remedial leadership and operational training.
Yeah, that's right, watch a half hour of Dragnet and ADAM-12 to learn what you should have learned before being meritoriously promoted.
This is a real cheap way (no cost to the city) to educate those who should have learned practical police procedures on the job instead of being whisked into a leadership position with no experience.
Emulate Joe Friday - you'll be doing a lot better than what you have done so far.
"Not while the "smart people" at University of Chicago are conducting their multi-year experiment into how far you can bend a Police Department by starving it of manpower and properly functioning equipment before it breaks."
Must of had Bill Ayers do the study....
Retired now but worked 4 bulls celebrations and crowd and traffic control at Addison/Clark areas down to Clark/Diversey Intersection. The big difference I saw on television was the lack of a large Police presence on the streets. I thought the police did a great job with the little manpower they had to work with. During the Bulls celebrations the whole of Clark street was lined with Police in helmuts and large reserve units were on hand to send to areas that got out of control. People were not allowed into the streets and were arrested if they attempted to block traffic or started throwing bottles or garbage cans. It seems this time the brass thought that they would substitute police officers with barricades to keep the people off the streets. That didn't work too well.
Although most of the problems in the area are with drunken partygoers, when bottles start flyin at the police and the crowd then arrests and clearing the streets are a must. Once the police(which were greatly outnumbered for such a large crowd) lost the streets they lost control of the situation. Again the police and horse units did all they could with the limited manpower available to them. The brass surely were unprepared for this one. Just hope the Cubs don't win the World Series, the whole city will go up for grabs.
I don't think we have to worry about that happening. Stay safe out there and be careful.
OT...Don't know if anyone caught this by our Idiot mayor who said...17 seconds left in the game and we won(paraphase).And this one...I grew up in the Bobby Hull/Stan Makita era...I'm sure Hull is Looking down and SMILING RIGHT NOW...This Goof has No CLUE ABOUT SPORTS.....BUT...I'm sure he could tell ya starting line ups for the Chicago Ballet troup............
Once again, it would be nice to have 13,23,33000 sworn members. But when will you realize that "that" will never happen? Ever again. You had better learn to deal with what you have with the people you have. Besides, when the "big one", whatever that may be, occurs, it won't matter if we have 100,000 police. Either it will be total anarchy, or the police will be the arm of an oppressive regime. Society gets the police protection it deserves.
PO Crossing Guard Supervisors
************Schools out**********
No more weekends and holidays off Time to go to 7, 11 0r 3 and make arrests!!!!!
Where was Dean Andrews? Waiting to get to his next spot!!!!!
I’m glad you’re addressing this S.C.C. Monday night was ridiculous, these big-brained white shirts are going to get coppers hurt, plain and simple. These were a bunch of liquored up yuppies and could have easily been handled with adequate manpower and proper leadership. And speaking of poor leadership… Beat 1900 should be ashamed of himself for the nonsense surrounding his ankle injury, hanging coppers out to dry like that, thanks Boss.
How did he hang them out to dry?
A Blackhawks Championship win could only mean one thing,,,,, A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE
No, we were not undermanned. Had the manpower available, just didn't send them out. by our own admission we have the manpower which is stated on this blog Below says it all
I still can't believe a silly hockey game on a Monday night almost slipped away. Even though "it could have been worse," it still shouldn't have been what people saw on their screens and what I saw from inside a neighboring district waiting on standby to be deployed. Shameful. You don't wait to see how bad it might be. We should have already lined up beforehand in the usual places (particularly that one), waiting lined up deep with our usual look of, "don't even think about it."
Instead, it was, "bring this, send that, see if you can get streets and san down here with this, get more cars over there for that..."
Too little, too late.
Those cubs fans on Clark just don't know anything about victory celebrations, obviously no practice for over 100 years
Great play-by-play of the night on the Crime in Boystown/Wrigleyville blog:
http://crimeinboystown.blogspot.com/2013/06/now-updating-coverage-of-stanley-cup.html
...the whole blog is an interesting read in itself, BTW. It contends that crime on the north side has gotten much worse as Rahm increased police presence on the south side.
Civilian here.
Where does it say that a city must throw a celebratory parade for a private enterprise sport franchise?
WTF?
This is all bread and circuses. While our attention and resources are diverted towards this silly parade - breathlessly promoted by the media - you can bet that the ruling class be will be conniving and thieving.
Another sign of the apocalypse!
When the Blackhawks won in 2010 I walked up Lincoln Ave. soaking in the atmosphere. The bars between Belden and Webster were full and people were celebrating and having fun but in control. The difference? A solid police presence up and down the streets that was friendly but firm.
Multiple squad cars were damaged/tagged by the unruly crowd. Old 019 and new 019 were filled with POs processing arrestees. I wonder how many POs were injured from this mess.
If Supt Wies was still the boss, us Alpha girls would of been out in force and as you all know we are the Delta force of the CPD.
When the department wakes up and make us "AG" the strike force we are thing will change. Crime will fall because we are the elite trained girks of the department.
Our enrollment to way up and we are training.
We had to reject 5 males that wanted in. Totally not commited to our CEO' goals.
Judy
I agree with the previous post about the department sacrificing public and officer safety by saving a few dollars. That's the bottom line in this town- how much will it cost to prevent the problem vs. how much will we pay for it after the fact. I read a book awhile back "Delay, Deny, Hope They'll Die", about the blatant mistreatment and neglect of the police and firemen who worked the 9/11 site, and how the government hid behind bureaucratic bs to deny medical benefits/treatment for those that developed chronic problems, and cancer, from days and weeks of inhaling the dust and smoke. This cost many first responders their lives because their health quickly deteriorated while waiting approval, and allowing these men and women to die would save them millions. Although there is no comparison obviously between that and what happens here, the mindset is exactly the same; the powers that be see us all as expendables. Our lives will never carry the same importance as their bottom line- money. It's a shame we live in this kind of atmosphere, but it does not diminish the truth. We were told in the academy that the city has actuaries who calculated that is more cost effective to pay for officers funerals than to implement certain safety measures. The fact that the city has let police manpower decline to dangerous numbers while overworking the active officers is certainly no shocker. Many of us have been pointing this fact out for years, on this blog no less. Anyone who has more than 5 min on this job has to look no further than his/her squad car to see how little this city actually cares about you. And our bosses care only about their own career and personal advancement, no matter who's back it was built on. I've read comments about "we wouldn't be able to handle a bull's riot"; that would be a birthday party compared to a major terrorist event here. And the sad thing is there are no repercussions for these politicians who are the cause of the problem.
http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20130625/lakeview/mob-beats-man-unconscious-outside-belmont-cta-station
Where is the media coverage on this?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why didn't they redirect the vri cars to help with crowd control. That's right, there to busy guarding are hard paying tax citizens
6/26/2013 03:29:00 AM
Please don't post when you are drunk. And if you were sober, OMG!.
I don't know if this department could handle a bull's riot anymore. So much has changed since the 90's.
6/26/2013 02:45:00 AM
not to worry.
i'd take care of everything.
at no extra charge.
Chalkie
Keep voting the same way. It can get worse and will.
6/26/2013 05:31:00 AM
happy, happy.
joy, joy.
Chalkie
The last BH celebration was carefully coordinated with ALL city agencies taking part. AND it still was mayhem.
6/26/2013 05:56:00 AM
that was the source of the mayhem.
My question is, why the hell weren't the officers on the line wearing helmets! The fkn mounted unit had em on! Just a miracle that no officer was hurt (as fa as i know) by one of the many bottles thrown at them! And if they were ordered not to wear them, where the fk is the FLOP with filing a safety grievance??? I'm sick and tired of the pussy bosses worrying about us looking to "intimidating"! Listen up assholes, maybe if we did "intimidate" these morons a little more, they wouldn't face off and throw bottles at us!
You guys did a FANTASTIC job considering the overwhelming odds!
What's going to happen when Zimmmerman's found not guilty?
It could have been worse. What fucking numbskull put iron barricades along the street? Didn't they look at the crowd video from 2010 to see the kind of mentality they were dealing with? Didn't see what happened at NATO with the barricades. Same thing again! God blessed us that they only passed around the irons overhead and didn't throw at the cops seriously hurting, or even killing one of us. Hey bosses - next time 2 rows of cops, a couple hundred at least in each row. With flexcuffs, wagons and MK9 gas cans should be used. Leave the irons in the garage!!!!
Hmm, I did not see anyone shooting at the police or did I see anyone looting (really burglarizing) any stores. It looked like a bunch of drunks on TV. Although I would've had to hospitalize the assholes that threw stuff at the horses.
5:56am, you obviously did not work the bulls "celebrations", THAT was mayhem.
Anonymous said...
What's going to happen when Zimmmerman's found not guilty?
6/26/2013 02:52:00 PM
LINK people are not going to be happy....
PO Crossing Guard Supervisors
************Schools out**********
No more weekends and holidays off Time to go to 7, 11 0r 3 and make arrests!!!!!
WTF they must be on Furlough
Let that crazy copper lady three wheel over everyone and then we can clear away the carnage like in 2010.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
PO Crossing Guard Supervisors
************Schools out**********
No more weekends and holidays off
Ha Meahler's boy Z still does this in 017 No wonder there are no cars avail when we have this nonsense going on. Get real there is crime and a lot of cops live in 17
Watch for the Rain and the CHAOS
CPD Schankel 911 have No Plan
Im quitting CPD to go into the gay weddin planner business Screw the Hawks
This was a bull shit disturbance. Been at all the bulls riots and that's when we still had the old school police and bosses.
The new breed midget MBA degree police will be shitting their pants
after the trial in FL is done.
There are few to none of the old police left. We all retired in the last 10 years.
I see nothing but out of control mutts in the usual districts going out of control after the FL trial.
They just needed the excuse to burn and shop.
Bless the people who will be on the front line. There will be deserters in the ranks for sure. The Missy kind will flee and quit.
Where's ray RAy
Will Lt Ray Hamilton be there his LOA has ended Right Ladner
PO Crossing Guard Supervisors
************Schools out**********
No more weekends and holidays off Time to go to 7, 11 0r 3 and make arrests!!!!!
You are dreaming, you still a PPO? They will be carried on some made up assignment with week ends off during the summer. Its the CPD way
Remember, those 2,000 plus officers we're short is 2,000 plus contributing to the pension fund. You know what irks me the most. It's when the Mayor or the Supe can stand there and look you in the eye and say "family first" or "your safety is our #1 concern". I say BULLSHIT. We're all expendable to them.
Get over the 2,000 short. 1,400 or so were written out of the budget this year. Those vacancies will never be filled. The CPD is no longer 13,500 so get over it and start figuring out how the department is going to operate with the current strength.
What's going to happen when Zimmmerman's found not guilty?
6/26/2013 02:52:00 PM
were i to tell you, it would spoil the surprise.
Chalkie
The group breaking out the windows at Fullerton and Clark were young gangbanger opportunists who decided to take advantage of the situation.
Mr. SouthSide said...
I heard out of the thirty four businesses damaged, not one was a Starbucks.
6/26/2013 08:35:00 AM
you heard wrong http://crimeinboystown.blogspot.com/2013/06/photos-blackhawks-aftermath-in-lincoln.html
I was there.
POOR planning.
Not enough coppers.
All the foot guys that were out were awesome. I only saw one P.O. who did not help any one she just stood around with a radio in her hand (useless).
Who ever did the barricades needs his head examined.
The Mounted Unit Horses.took a lot of s$&t.....priceless
PO Crossing Guard Supervisors
************Schools out**********
No more weekends and holidays off Time to go to 7, 11 0r 3 and make arrests!!!!!
Is there such a unit and how do I bid into it?
Keep hiring the most educated and little people. Veterans and and males over six foot need not apply. Right LANDER ??
Anonymous said...
Mr. SouthSide said...
I heard out of the thirty four businesses damaged, not one was a Starbucks.
6/26/2013 08:35:00 AM
you heard wrong http://crimeinboystown.blogspot.com/2013/06/photos-blackhawks-aftermath-in-lincoln.html
6/26/2013 07:44:00 PM
I'm not the original poster, but even a blind man could figure out that first post was sarcastic.
http://chicagojustice.org/blog/more-on-the-police-manpower-debate
You are dreaming, you still a PPO? They will be carried on some made up assignment with week ends off during the summer. Its the CPD way
LoL
Meahler's boy Z 017 says Thanks and SSSSSSsssssssssshhhhh!
I do No Work
Anonymous said...
My question is, why the hell weren't the officers on the line wearing helmets! The fkn mounted unit had em on! Just a miracle that no officer was hurt (as fa as i know) by one of the many bottles thrown at them! And if they were ordered not to wear them, where the fk is the FLOP with filing a safety grievance??? I'm sick and tired of the pussy bosses worrying about us looking to "intimidating"! Listen up assholes, maybe if we did "intimidate" these morons a little more, they wouldn't face off and throw bottles at us!
You guys did a FANTASTIC job considering the overwhelming odds!
6/26/2013 02:41:00 PM
I love how people scream for FOP to file safety grievances, like it is their job to be everywhere and to file grievances for things seen and reported by anonymous posters.
Did you ever look in your FOP book? There are exact instructions in there on how to file a safety grievance. Did you know that? If you witness something, YOU file the grievance and send it to FOP. Or YOU bring it to your rep but first you must fill out a to-from as described in your FOP book. The procedures have been well hidden in there for years.
Anonymous said...
I was there.
POOR planning.
Not enough coppers.
All the foot guys that were out were awesome. I only saw one P.O. who did not help any one she just stood around with a radio in her hand (useless).
Who ever did the barricades needs his head examined.
The Mounted Unit Horses.took a lot of s$&t.....priceless
6/26/2013 08:05:00 PM
I saw that. She was wearing a sweater as hot as it was and walking around with a radio as if she was leading and directing coppers on the scene.
Anonymous said...
I agree with the previous post about the department sacrificing public and officer safety by saving a few dollars. That's the bottom line in this town- how much will it cost to prevent the problem vs. how much will we pay for it after the fact. I read a book awhile back "Delay, Deny, Hope They'll Die", about the blatant mistreatment and neglect of the police and firemen who worked the 9/11 site, and how the government hid behind bureaucratic bs to deny medical benefits/treatment for those that developed chronic problems, and cancer, from days and weeks of inhaling the dust and smoke. This cost many first responders their lives because their health quickly deteriorated while waiting approval, and allowing these men and women to die would save them millions. Although there is no comparison obviously between that and what happens here, the mindset is exactly the same; the powers that be see us all as expendables. Our lives will never carry the same importance as their bottom line- money. It's a shame we live in this kind of atmosphere, but it does not diminish the truth. We were told in the academy that the city has actuaries who calculated that is more cost effective to pay for officers funerals than to implement certain safety measures. The fact that the city has let police manpower decline to dangerous numbers while overworking the active officers is certainly no shocker. Many of us have been pointing this fact out for years, on this blog no less. Anyone who has more than 5 min on this job has to look no further than his/her squad car to see how little this city actually cares about you. And our bosses care only about their own career and personal advancement, no matter who's back it was built on. I've read comments about "we wouldn't be able to handle a bull's riot"; that would be a birthday party compared to a major terrorist event here. And the sad thing is there are no repercussions for these politicians who are the cause of the problem.
6/26/2013 12:51:00 PM
Bush-Republican;Pataki-republican;Giuliani-republican.
I wish I had my bug out bag that night
LoL
Meahler's boy Z 017 says Thanks and SSSSSSsssssssssshhhhh!
I do No Work
Man, stop hatin'. This "Z" guy had been in special assignmnents /Task Forces. I'm pretty sure he will be an asset to 017th District with all his police knowledge and experience.
I love how people scream for FOP to file safety grievances, like it is their job to be everywhere and to file grievances for things seen and reported by anonymous posters.
Did you ever look in your FOP book? There are exact instructions in there on how to file a safety grievance. Did you know that? If you witness something, YOU file the grievance and send it to FOP. Or YOU bring it to your rep but first you must fill out a to-from as described in your FOP book. The procedures have been well hidden in there for years.
Hi Chief!!
Never saw so many stupid white people "celebrating" a win by a sports industry team.
The sports-entertainment industry and organized-religion racket are huge meaningless distractions.
The police did as well as could be expected without proper leadership.
The msm sugar-coated the entire mess.
Why is this cash-strapped city throwing a party for the Hawks?
Meahler's boy Z 017
Meahler still has pull?
Sad and this PO does no work When will the madness end I work every night in the duce for what
If Supt Wies was still the boss, us Alpha girls would of been out in force and as you all know we are the Delta force of the CPD.
When the department wakes up and make us "AG" the strike force we are thing will change. Crime will fall because we are the elite trained girks of the department.
Our enrollment to way up and we are training.
We had to reject 5 males that wanted in. Totally not commited to our CEO' goals.
Judy
GOD DOESN'T THIS DEPT., GIVE PSYCH TESTS ANYMORE PRIOR TO HIRING???? HOW DID THIS LOONEY SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS????
GOD DOESN'T THIS DEPT., GIVE PSYCH TESTS ANYMORE PRIOR TO HIRING???? HOW DID THIS LOONEY SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS????
7/01/2013 01:57:00 AM
going through life without a sense of humor is just like trying to chew without teeth.
The Alpha Girls rejected me because I am too pretty.
I feel so dejected.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
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