Lombard to Save Junkies
- An upsurge in heroin deaths means all Lombard, IL, police will begin carrying Narcan misters to counter the effects of heroin overdoses.
Coroner Richard Jorgensen said heroin overdoses killed 46 across DuPage County last year. Lombard Deputy Chief Tom Wirsing says heroin overdoses are a community issue, affecting everyone.
Chief Wirsing says police often beat paramedics to an overdose scene and will be able to tell from the victim’s symptoms, companions and surrounding paraphernalia if heroin is the victim’s problem.
Why bother at all? Junkies contribute to all sorts of crime. They carry diseases. When apprehended, they suck up tax dollars for their incarceration and when released, they relapse at an incredible rate. Like it or not, an overdose is a net positive for society.
If families want to keep paying for their relatives, they're entitled to spend that money any way they see fit. But when they get tired of buying grandma a new TV every year or so when hers gets stolen or that nice piece of jewelry that's been in the family for generations disappears after Uncle Junkie comes to visit, maybe they'll wake up and realize supporting bad habits only gets them more of the same.
We speak from personal experience here, so don't lay any crap on us about "...if it was your family member...." It was, and we have zero sympathy for the years of problems he brought to our doorstep.
If families want to keep paying for their relatives, they're entitled to spend that money any way they see fit. But when they get tired of buying grandma a new TV every year or so when hers gets stolen or that nice piece of jewelry that's been in the family for generations disappears after Uncle Junkie comes to visit, maybe they'll wake up and realize supporting bad habits only gets them more of the same.
We speak from personal experience here, so don't lay any crap on us about "...if it was your family member...." It was, and we have zero sympathy for the years of problems he brought to our doorstep.
Labels: dumb ideas, suburban
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
109 Comments:
Couldn't agree with you more scc. I too have a junkie in the family and all they do is shit on the whole family so if she ever over doses in Lombard please same your medicine for someone else.
Then Obama can fine them for not having health insurance! The junkies won't pay, our rates go up and the tax payer ends up footing bill. Brilliant Watson! ....wait thats how it is now, im confused?
"Uncle Junkie". LMAO!
If it would please the court, I would have the officer describe the depth of his medical training to the jury.
.....I watched this awesome roll call training video and I stayed at a holiday Inn express last night.
No further questions, your honor.
Got to save the lives of potential democratic voters.
I am sure that saving a junkie's life gives each and every LPD member a warm and fuzzy feeing at the end of shift. Just feel the love.
You seem to put junkies in the same class as rats and cockroaches.
Because it's DuPage County and the kids dying out there left and right are prototypical suburban kids that don't "look like" they should have a drug problem. They don't see them as junkies. They see them as kids who are having a problem that can be lethal. Just like Oprah just had some show about kids being "tricked" into doing heroin...tricked because they ONLY thought it was oxy, vicodin or cocaine. If they want to pay for it, oh well, give the coppers narcan kits.
Cops aren't paramedics... Who's to say that even though the scumbag flopping about like a fish out of water is on heroin, or something else? The spoons, lighters, needles, etc. could be used for some other drug...
I agree - they decided to take this crap, fuck 'em... let them make their own bed with it. We need to stop paying for this revolving door...
Experienced it first hand also and I can tell you that my grandparents would have done anything to save their son, the son that had a heart of gold as a child and would bring any stray home and nurse it back to health, the son that was the star athlete in high school, the son that was an airborn paratrooper, the son that was the father to two of their grandchildren, the son that they buried after years of trying to get help for him. A cop with narcan may have saved him at the moment but in the long run nothing would.
That said, we can not be all things to all people. Should we carry EpiPens for those with severe allergic reactions, insulin for diabetics, psych meds for the crazies, bibles for atheists? Where does it end and who decides who should be saved and who should not?
Why? Because it is the right thing, the decent thing, and the American thing to do.
Narcan for recreational abusers, but no pain medication for those who need it. Can't catch Willie rocketing up the gangway luggin a TV, but the hapless pharmacy customer is quietly standing right there at the counter, just asking for it.
Thus --
https://www.ilpmp.org/
...and thus...
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wthr/PDF/WalgreensGFDdocuments.pdf
...and CVS will be next. Mark my words.
Not good for the coppers.
Slowly being merged into the role of a half-assed EMT.
Exactly! Junkies are cheaper dead than alive! Why bother! Police are never gonna stop them from using heroin!
When you let junkies live, you frustrate the laws of nature by letting the sick of mind continue to live.
Then you compound the problem by subsidizing their lives with government handouts, giving them an incentive to procreate....so the taxpayer can support the next generation of fuckups/Democrats.
The American way for decades. "Great Society" Bwaahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!
Like everything that involves a serious issue, I'm ambivalent. I too knew a great kid who OD'd, but I wouldn't let him in our house. I hate those commercials for the "free" phones to be used for emergencies only, but I know when I call a friend of mine in a nursing home, that's what he's using. Kind of tough being human, eh?
Thank you for this, SCC. I have 2 people like this in my extended family and I feel the same way. People often think I'm some cold-hearted bitch but they clearly have never gone through what I have.
It was provided for in legislation in 2010, and is clearly an answer in search of a question. The fact is that about zero of the kids who died would have had a different outcome if the narcotic antidote would have been administered two minutes earlier. Most of them were DRT. But it's a feel-good, "we've got to do SOMETHING!"
Maybe we could save a whole bunch of tax dollars by ending the complete and utter failure that is the War on Drugs.
Or maybe we should repeal the 21st Amendment and try to fight demon rum all over again.
Why? Because it is the right thing, the decent thing, and the American thing to do.
There is help and there is enabling and allowing the addict to continue in his or her addiction. I am not sure where to draw the line, but allowing an addict to continue in his addiction indefinitely is not the right thing to do. I had a cousin that was addicted to meth -- he got off after a jail/prison sentence and essentially being disowned by the family until he cleaned up his act. He did. Could he have died in the interim? Most certainly. Could he still be an addict if they didn't take a hard line? Most certainly.
I'm all for this. If I can save someone's life, even a shitty life, then I will. I'm not a holy roller, but who am I to sit idly by and watch someone die if I can help. Who am I to pass that judgement?
I hope this is just a lot of anonymous computer tough guy talk at home.
I think we've all had that person in our life that was on drugs, but I'd never be cool with some cop letting him die if he could help because he didn't approve of his life choices.
3.50AM-I bet you voted for Obama, Quinn, Durbin and the rest of the bleeding heart left.
I too, have a junkie in the family. He and his mom-my Aunt avoid me like the plague because I call him on his bullshit and his excuses. He gradually stole just about all of the family owned valuables that were in the house to sell for dope money.
He actually dropped my name once when he got pinched and the copper made the courtesy call. One thing he truly regretted after he bonded out of the county.
They are a blight, go look at the areas in Europe where the junkies hang out and are "supervised" by social workers.
Fuck 'em----they can get off the public payroll.
3:13 a.m. ...absolutely brilliant.
3:50 a.m. ...absolutely liberal. You are probably the lawyer waiting to sue the poor copper for drugging a diabetic.
Thank god. Now the people of Lombard can sleep peacefully knowing that someone will be breaking into their garages at 3am to steal their lawnmower while they are sleeping so they can go pawn it for drugs.
Couldn't agree with you more scc. I too have a junkie in the family and all they do is shit on the whole family so if she ever over doses in Lombard please same your medicine for someone else.
3/13/2014 12:10:00 AM Your a Heartless Jagoff
I agree with 03:13:00. Why the fucking junkie ? Why not the person with allergy issues, the diabetic, the psycho, the atheist? I also had a heroin junkie in my family. She never stopped using. You can help a person that doesn't want help. Another waste of hard earned tax dollars. How many democrats are in Lombard?
Cops aren't paramedics... Who's to say that even though the scumbag flopping about like a fish out of water is on heroin, or something else? The spoons, lighters, needles, etc. could be used for some other drug...
I agree - they decided to take this crap, fuck 'em... let them make their own bed with it. We need to stop paying for this revolving door...
If it was your son or daughter would you being saying the same thing asshole
If all the heroin junkies die there is no longer a demand for product, no need for supply and therefore no profit. Bury them and move along.
That said, we can not be all things to all people. Should we carry EpiPens for those with severe allergic reactions, insulin for diabetics, psych meds for the crazies, bibles for atheists? Where does it end and who decides who should be saved and who should not?
You summed up my thoughts exactly.
Anonymous said...
If it would please the court, I would have the officer describe the depth of his medical training to the jury.
.....I watched this awesome roll call training video and I stayed at a holiday Inn express last night.
No further questions, your honor.
Now that's funny! Thank You
Heroin use in the burbs is on the rise, and it's moving through channels that one normally wouldn't expect. Heroin in pill form is profitable and easy to move, and is sought after by 40-somethings when the Vicodin doesn't do the trick anymore.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/02/us/heroin-use-rising/
Still not sure if I believe that many coppers will go in the door first to an EMT call.
Why? Because it is the right thing, the decent thing, and the American thing to do.
3/13/2014 03:50:00 AM
Until the first lawsuit is filed!
I'm a suburban cop and it's getting forced on DuPage and Will Co departments. Political feel good motives, it's not like the cops asked for or pushed for this crap. Also being issued and using it 2 totally different matters.
Anonymous said...
You seem to put junkies in the same class as rats and cockroaches.
3/13/2014 01:21:00 AM
And...?
I am opposed to the police being asked to do the work of doctors or paramedics. The police are not medics. The police fight/investigate crime. Medics treat sick/injured people.
In the 1960's England dealt with the heroin problem by allowing doctors to give junkies heroin, along with clean needles, (reducing disease) for pennies, (reducing crime)and knowledge of the amount they're taking, (reducing overdose).Dealing with it as a health problem seemed to work fairly well until libnannyism forbade it. They figure it's better to stretch law enforcement resources and throw money at it than to let these people learn about negative behavior like they do alchoholics. Politicos' every where are control freaks.
I did not write this but it was in the Dead Weight thread. SCC, this should be a "sticky". This guy is SPOT ON. Every Chicagoan should read this once in the morning and once before bed, until they get it through their thick heads.
"It's all bullshit."
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
sounds like a quota system. except they'll have to come up with a different name for it because y'all know what gary says.
you have to be careful about the words you use because the words conjure up images.
and so in the end if you wipe out crime for example then you should get written up for you successes cuz you're not writing enough tickets, contact cards, etc, etc.. when there's no reason for it anymore.
in other words fuck the crime then.
the city wants revenue generated via fines and fees. crime is a tool.
it's about the money and cpd are the strong arm enforcers for this corrupt clouted cult with a mission of shaking down the citizens.
bust the piss bums for public urination because the city is more likely to collect a fine from that. put a bullshit academic 'broken windows' marketing label on it to sell it as making progress on violent crime.
on the other hand you bust a thug and send them to the county that's costing the city big bucks baby.
what was it again something like 140 dollars a day to keep them in jail.
you're on the wrong side of the financial ledger my friend
bust the apple-picking bandits for snatching a smart phone and you're hurting apple, motorola mobility, samsung, att, or t-moblie's or some other politically connected corporations sales.
like how the hell do you expect these companies to fund the mayors, the aldermans, the state rep's or any other clouted political persons campaign fund raiser if they don't have customers buying replacements for their stolen phones.
we can't report chicago's gdp /economy is growing by busting the smart phone thief. nah man. bust the piss bum and stop fucking with the cities economy..lol
not to mention the economic impact of taking the street corner drug selling king-pins off the streets.
like it or not these people attract money and economic activity to the city and the political apparatus needs it and wants it anyway they can get it. so bust the piss bums
ergo, people with money that buy illicit drugs are attracted to this city by the gang bangers selling.
tourism.
no-one comes to chicago to see the piss bum so bust the very dangerous public urinators instead. that's the mission right
the city gets rewarded with federal obamacare money each time a person gets shot in chicago too -- don't they.
so don't take the shooters off the streets. they're creating jobs
these are you chicago job creators. not the clouted ivy-league ceo's and corporate exec's
i'd like to see an analysis of how many people those highly-educated corporate exec's and politicians with the so-called higher math and science scores have pulled out of poverty in places like englewood and westlawn compared to the illicit gang banger drug apparatus pulling hoodrats out of poverty over the last few years.
nah, i don't like it. don't want to glorify it. but it is what it is.
there's a recent report that ranks worst cities for upward mobility and chicago is number 11. the report states that it requires a min-wage worker to work 40 hours a week in order to afford just one city college class to better themselves.
now, what percentage of min. wage jobs even offer 40 hours a week today considering the corporate obamacare avoidance trick.
sure you can take a 2nd, a 3rd min wage job to get that tuition. but then who has the time to go to school.
the american dream is dead. 0110 squad, get a paper car, notify the crime lab
/sarcasm
3/12/2014 06:23:00 AM
why be so kind and just use the narcon mister--- the turkey baster needle right into the heart was much more entertaining--- they would start kicking and screaming in the back of the ambo when the ceiling lights hit them in the eye after they were brought back from the dead....
Every time you hear a siren blaring, a junkie gets his life saved unnecessarily. Wow just the opposite in "it's a wonderful life". This is all such a silly idea. Liability written all over it.
If you screw up and the junkie dies, get ready for the lawsuit.
Keep them alive for what? Sure it's a heartache for the family members but sometimes it is better to just 'rip the bandaid off quickly' and let 'em go. What message does this send to the kids? "Heroin don't kill, the cops can save you"? and what liability for the city when the cop administers it wrong? "They coulda SAVED my baby!!"
Whose bright idea was this? follow the money...who manufacturers those kits?
Anonymous said...
You seem to put junkies in the same class as rats and cockroaches.
3/13/2014 01:21:00 AM
----------------------------------Not at all....Rats and Roaches don't burglarize houses rob people.
@ 0350:
Read 0313's comments.
Anonymous said...
Why? Because it is the right thing, the decent thing, and the American thing to do.
3/13/2014 03:50:00 AM
I hope some strung out junkie climbs thru your window some night as you lay in bed unable to reach the phone to call 911 or unable to reach your gun (doubt your liberal ass owns one or would use it on a home invader if you did).
Ya see, the RIGHT thing to do, the DECENT thing to do... the AMERICAN thing to do would be to NOT victimize your own family; I don't recall stealing granny's prescriptions or your parents cash, jewelry and electronics to support your drug habit being part of the Pledge of Allegiance. Not crawling through someone's window to burglarize their home to get your next bag of dope is also the right, decent American thing to do.
Now don't get me wrong, I believe in giving people a chance. But if you fail to maintain sobriety after one trip to rehab you should be on your own, completely ostracized from the normal, productive, non-addict segment of society. In a perfect world, chronic junkies who regularly overdose costing the taxpayers tens of thousands of dollars for every trip to the ER would be euthanized like mangy dogs. I won't even begin to discuss the amount of money junkies cost taxpayers in the legal system due to their rates of recidivism.
And allow me to give you a big, preemptive "fuck off" for claiming that addiction is a sickness or disease. While it may be classified as such in the medical world, addiction is a choice. And making choices comes with consequences.
The 'medical experts' claim tobacco addiction - particularly cigarette smoking - is harder to beat than opiate addiction. If true, why do you hear about so many successes when it comes to totally quitting smoking, yet so many addicts relapsing on heroin? Simple. IT'S THEIR CHOICE TO REMAIN A DOPE FIEND.
Next time you wonder why health care premiums are so high or homeowners insurance premiums are out of control or crime is through the roof in certain parts of any given city in this country... THANK A JUNKIE.
The continual denial of the existence of a drug epidemic and treating repeat drug offenders and users with "kid gloves" is one of the biggest contributors to the demise of our great nation, simple as that.
Any new thing that comes down the bullshit pike, why just give it to the police, deal with the mentally ill, sure, we'll give 'em a class, stop heroin overdoses, no problem, defib people having the big one but not our own officers, sure why not. Every fucking thing society wants to do for the downtrodden but cannot afford to fund, just slide that shit downhill until it falls on first responders.
Sure, shoot them up with the narcane, then keep them alive long enough to get the CB number so they can sue. More training on properly administering Narcane (Naloxone) to a dying junky. Just so they can do it again next week.
Anonymous said...
Why? Because it is the right thing, the decent thing, and the American thing to do.
3/13/2014 03:50:00 AM
Start carrying some ass wipe with you so you can wipe their ass when they shit themselves. That's decent too. Make it Charmin.
You are right on the money.
MS
I think that's great. We are all gods crew and deserve to live. I think we should carry refrigerators too in case someone is starving or thirsty ing themselves to death. I think that the reclusive life saving award would be more easeable attainable and would complete a bar nicely on my uniform with maybe an accompanying community service award if the junky died. Win win! God sometimes calls his creatures back home.
Why? Because even if paernts do everything right, their teenager might get a case of the " stupids" just once, and as a mother I can tell you I'd do anything in my power to save my childs life.
And every junkies like a setting sun, oh oh, the damage done Mr Young !
1259 is 100% correct, wait til the first one dies, who's fault, why the cops of course, let the paramedics do it.
William burroughs was a junkie. Barney ross was a junkie. People can be saved.
If it wouldn't be for the 'no borders' and amnesty crowd, there'd not be so much cheap mexican heroin on the streets.
So, liberal/progressive, pro amnesty eric holder vows to fight the new heroin epidemic how again?
Law suits and liability are what the officer is setting himself up for,knowing symptoms like a doctor or nurse and then giving life saving antidotes,oh my ,we are nurses,doctors,marriage councelors and police officers,on your way out take out the trash,my good man!
And we help other countries when it's none of our business,so why stop there!
Better use for that mist might be as an air freshener.
How the hell do I know for sure someone is od'ing on heroin? Not my problem, I'm not a paramedic or doctor.
Isn't Eric Holder behind this?
Policemen are not paramedics and have more than enough responsibilities as it is; this is a paramedic's job. I can foresee liabilities with this policy, and I would hate to see an officer become the scapegoat of some drug addict's death. I've never been an advocate of the social work that has become an ever increasing burden on the shoulders of law enforcement, and this is another example of misplaced responsibility. We live in a society that grows more dependent on government resources, both local and federal. Services do not appear out of thin air- manpower, skill, training, supervision, and equipment (including maintenance/repair/replacement) all cost money and time. The more money and time the police dept spends on someone who cannot or does not want to be saved is money and time taken away from those who can be saved. And I'm not necessarily just referring to drug addicts- it could be the victim of a crime fighting for his/her life.
If I use my experience toward police work, it would be called racial profiling. Seems a certain people have a higher propensity for crime and violence...
Junkies are an important demographic for the community organizers to round-up and take to the polls. The welfare state must be overloaded if we have any chance of collapsing the system.
sad to say but your right on SCC they are saving people who potentially could can and will commit felonies and cause bodily harm to countless innocent people this is a bad idea It all sounds good on paper but in reality it could come back to bite the officers and jurisdiction in the ass if they administer and one of these people die ie: Lawsuit.
Let’s say drug dealers were given an opportunity to turn their lives around. Let’s say obamacare funding for this public health crisis i.e. the manufacture and the delivery of Controlled Substances, could fund a street- level pharmaceutical navigator internship program. Let’s say all their real world street experience could be used to legitimately sell legalized medicinal weed. In order to qualify, a cannabis distributor must comply with Title VII requirements and must not discriminate based on race, sexual preference or gender. Maybe the City Colleges could offer an accredited curriculum and certification program funded by taxpayers. Former drug dealers could be offered housing vouchers, nutritional assistance, utility subsidies,essential legal assistance from Lasalle Street not public defenders and unspecified cash money stipends if they pretty please promise to attend classes. All this could be sold to the public as another “Anti-Violence” program or essential crime reduction strategy much like a “Project Safe Neighborhood.”
Oh yeah, druggies DO prey on all family members and TAKE what the rest of us WORK for. They chose that life and know it could kill them so if that's the way it goes.........
aiding and abiding.
waiting for the first lawsuit when a beat cop mis-diags an o/d and applies meds.
of course this is the shoe in the door to get society comfortable to the idea of police administering intravenous injections.
what drugs will be next eh.
dangerous territory my friends.
how'd ya like some cop injecting your kids if someone like a teacher decides they are too hyperactive. it's okay cuz it's the law, the brothers keepers law. right.
just the tip. like taxes. like stealing pensions, home equity, jobs, freedoms of assembly, press, speech, gun rights.
just a lil' now...then a lil' more.
the department should have something like a batman utility belt with all kinds of drugs in case they need them as standard issue.
like what if someone on medical marijuana is in extreme pain. people should be able to call 911 and have a cop deliver a joint...right..right....
anti-psychotics all those ssri drugs that the mass shooters and 'the children' are on for adhd.
the central planner and chief, your children belongs to them they will decide.
Quite frankly, Lombard does not give a rats ass what SCC or it's minions think. Hopefully one of your relatives comes out here and OD's and we can ship him/her back to you in a bag so you can put it in the ground and hang a sad face, as if. BTW, we'll send you the bill for the trouble, asshat.
follow the money.
i wouldn't doubt that every time a shot gets administered there's a check cut for a fed obamacare payment issued to the police dept's that are doing this
follow the money.
if that is the case gary and rahm could add it to the compstat list of contact cards, tickets, anovs, etc.
hey, you guys are not shooting up enough people. we probably couldn't say it like that tho cuz of the images the words conjure up. like quota talk.
nevertheless y'all get it right.
it's not about saving a junky. it's about revenue generation like speed trap cameras is about revenue generation.
Can we "deport" ours to Lombard?
just thinking.
cops are the first on the scene when someone tags a building too.
so why not have the cops remove the graffiti while they are on scene instead of rolling someone else out as a clean-up crew.
i'm tellin' ya man.
a batman utility belt with assorted drugs, a mop, scrub brushes, cleaners, a plunger.
broken windows baby. we're cleaning this town up.
/sarcasm
what kind of deal did the political hacks get with the big pharma's to turn cops into their pushers.
is it any wonder why the source of the heroin is not addressed.
why isn't rahm going after the drug dealer's bankers like rahm tried doing against gun manufacturers bankers.
the bankers are laundering this drug money and the d.o.j. does nothing. it will hurt our economy and gdp if they do.
Can somebody give Dougherty the shot? He's flopping like a fish out of water desperate to make $200000 a year plus a free car. Billy boy and Marky Mark aren't going to change anything.
You take the effort to save a junkie shitbird, you may wind up getting sued for their death anyway!
Just give me an R.D. for a 5084
Much easier to do, and get an M.E. number, notify the Dics!
Come clear! Go to lunch! That is all!
Does this mean paramedics are going to write parking tickets?
It won't work in this city.
Most of the time, the "bambulance" is already on scene when a police car pulls up.
Dupe it to C.F.D. Amb ##
I'm clear and heading for lunch, squad!
I'm NOT trained to be an EMT life saver!
I'm NOT trained to give medicine!
I do NOT want to risk being sued for blah! blah! blah!
I'm trained to take people to jail and create revenue for the city!
15-Ida! VRI! That is all!
Paramedics have carried Narcane for years, why is this news? I first saw CFD bring a dope fiend back from the dead in the middle of Western Ave at Washington. One pre-filled syringe under the tongue and he was like before, a screaming raving good for shit low life junky thief piece of shit with Hep C and HIV. Wonderful. Let's save more of 'em.
That guy on Western had just got out of prison, he still had his IDOC ID, release papers and black state issued work boots, black denim jacket and blue denim shirt. Fresh off the prison bus. He took his get out of jail money and bought a bag and got a few feet when he flopped in the street.
I was working CTA Special and watched two 013th District cars slow down and keep on going. So I stopped and called for fire. I declined the lifesaving award just the same.
"They are a blight, go look at the areas in Europe where the junkies hang out and are "supervised" by social workers."
3/13/2014 07:08:00 AM
This fad is called "harm reduction." There is abusers-only public housing in Seattle, St. Paul, and other cities where you can drink/use yourself to death.
http://www.twincities.com/ci_16774107
http://justice.uaa.alaska.edu/forum/27/1spring2010/b_housingfirst.html
New Zealand has "centers" for inhalant users where they can "huff" solvents "under supervision." Hell, here is a list of instructions to help you live a little longer while you rot your brain, destroy your liver, and give yourself leukemia.
http://www.drugfoundation.org.nz/inhalants-solvents/reducing-the-harm
"Social work." Buys a nice luxury BMW sedan, I can tell you.
Anonymous said...
You seem to put junkies in the same class as rats and cockroaches.
3/13/2014 01:21:00 AM
Rats and cockroaches have persevered and endured and earned a place in the food chain. As have vultures and jackals. Junkies have no such valid claim.
what a fkn joke..how bout u carry a 5th of Jack Daniels so when i go into withdrawal passing thru your libtard town i can have a shot out of your flask!!!
OT: 1233 First watch 3/13: Must share Kudos for outstanding professionalism - methinks you don't hear them enough.
Outstanding PO - highly competent and knowledgeable with wonderful communication skills. Deeply empathetic but not sympathetic. Kept this citizen calm in a stressful situation. This is the type of officer who will make a GREAT white shirt. Sending a letter of appreciation to the DC tonight.
THX SCC for the forum.
NAC
Conceal and carry narcan mist. Great idea! As the junkie is assaulting you, you can put him/her in instant withdrawal. They will puke, sweat, convulse.... Just think, you'll disable them and be congratulated for it.
They may require us to carry, but I wouldnt use it. Overdose is a medical condition* that requires medical attention. Leave medical care to trained professionals.
Junkies are a dime a dozen, such are cockroaches.
(* does not apply to medical emergencies pertaining to self or buddy aid. Use heroin wisely as it may cause loss of employment. Typical reactions may cause drowsiness, vision impairment and unconsciousness. If you experience a reaction lasting longer than 8 hours seek medical attention. If you are taking nitrates, using heroin may cause a sudden drop in blood pressure. If you are allergic to opiates, do not take heroin. Talk to your doctor. Heroin and most other addictions are covered by ObamaCare®.
So the police will be able to assist the junkie that overdoses 2 doors away, but not my child that experiences a severe allergic reaction to a bee sting? Or be able to save my child having an asthma attack. Doesn't seen right.
If it would please the court, I would have the officer describe the depth of his medical training to the jury.
.....I watched this awesome roll call training video and I stayed at a holiday Inn express last night.
No further questions, your honor.
I agree with this. I am not doing this unless i am properly trained. That means no bull shit roll call training video. Better be some classroom training with some real instructor. Who knows how to do this.
Anonymous said...
And every junkies like a setting sun, oh oh, the damage done Mr Young !
3/13/2014 10:28:00 AM
...once the needle goes in, it never comes out.
Decriminalize heroin. Then the addicts get it for cheap at a clinic, controlled dosage, controlled purity, clean/sterile means of administering the drug. They don't OD near as much, they register as drug addicted, they don't have to steal and rob to support the habit. And the corner dope slinger has far fewer customers. A huge dent is put into the heroin trade.
The problem then might become that legitimate drug companies might not be able to enough opium base to make the heroin.
Already, the pharmaceutical companies cannot get enough opium product to make the morphine, codeine etc. needed for prescription pain medication.
"Law suits and liability are what the officer is setting himself up for,knowing symptoms like a doctor or nurse..."
3/13/2014 10:58:00 AM
Walgreens has ads up in their stores now. "Over 65? Have such-and-such symptoms?
"Have you seen a pharmacist?"
Uh, no. I have a DOCTOR.
Even the checkout gals have T-shirts about how they're "saving lives every day" by selling you shampoo and pretzels.
Walgreens wants to be your doctor. Walgreens also wants to get into the health insurance business while the gettin is good.
Too big for their britches. Watch 'em.
"At the corner of crazy and crazier."
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'..teenager might get a case of the "stupids" just once..'
Nope, sorry, disagree. Case of the stupids does not include shooting up.
It's about keeping the D voters alive! Not the poor kid with an allergic reaction.
Thanks for your perspective - I sometime think I'm screaming in a vacuum. Law enforcement needs to focus our mission.
Cops aren't paramedics... Who's to say that even though the scumbag flopping about like a fish out of water is on heroin, or something else? The spoons, lighters, needles, etc. could be used for some other drug...
I agree - they decided to take this crap, fuck 'em... let them make their own bed with it. We need to stop paying for this revolving door...
If it was your son or daughter would you being saying the same thing asshole
3/13/2014 07:58:00 AM
I have news for you - I have a son and a daughter. When they're old enough to understand - about 7 - I'm going to explain drugs and alcohol to them.
I will tell them that if they ever touch meth, heroin, coke, ecstacy, or PCP - I'll break their fucken arms.
If they get addicted, until they're 18 - I'll work to get them help.
Once they're 18 - F U C K T H E M... I've seen what this shit does to people, very, very, very few times is there any redemption. I'm not going to waste my time fighting a losing battle.
And in fact, if we stopped trying to save these fucks, then maybe more of them would realize that it's a bad idea BEFORE starting up with this crap.
Oh, and sorry that your kid is a junkie - but that's not my fault, and may not be yours. Stop trying to be so high and mighty because you feel you screwed up...
"Conceal and carry narcan mist...instant withdrawal..."
3/13/2014 08:18:00 PM
Responsible "public policy" would be to prevent overdoses before they even happen. Contract with that mosquito-spraying outfit -- the one with those buzzing nozzles in the backs of the trucks -- to lay down a thick fog of Narcan through whole areas on summer nights.
If a little is good, a whole lot must be better.
Talk about clearin a corner...
Quite frankly, Lombard does not give a rats ass what SCC or it's minions think. Hopefully one of your relatives comes out here and OD's and we can ship him/her back to you in a bag so you can put it in the ground and hang a sad face, as if. BTW, we'll send you the bill for the trouble, asshat.
3/13/2014 03:55:00 PM
....and yet you are on here reading the blog you say you don't care about. Life is short, flip back to u-tube.
Not to mention the liability to the officers. We are not paramedics !
And who's cousin got the contract for those Narcon misters?
Talk about clearin a corner...
3/14/2014 01:31:00 AM
Love it
When you enable a dysfunctional family member you are only putting off the evitable. Use tough love. I know, I speak from personal experience with two family members. If they steal from you and you continue to do nothing about it they will continue to steal from you and laugh about it and laugh at you. Yes, that is what they do and they brag about it to their probation officers. I know, I speak from experience.
Years ago went to an assist the ambulance call. Dude was on his way to checking out; CFD administered Narcan and he 'miraculously' woke up....Hotter than a motherfucker for CFD ruining his high. Ranting and raving about how he wasted $10. Girlfriend wanted him to go to the hospital; he signed the refusal and we couldn't leave fast enough. He had no idea how close to death he came. Hey, live by the sword, die by the sword.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
And who's cousin got the contract for those Narcon misters?
3/14/2014 08:04:00 AM
The Vanecko and Daley Anti-Dope Fiend Overdosing Shit Misting Company.
About ten years, ago, some dumbass mixed himself a cocktail of Xanax, vicodin, and cocaine and went into cardiac arrest. His pig of an old lady was more worried about getting busted with drugs in the apartment than she was with Mr Moneybags boyfriend.
Our best guess is that he was dead 11 min before the EMT's supercharged his ass and brought him back from the dead.
Today he has the IQ of a potted plant.
You're right on spot with this, SCC. Too many liberal do-gooder types, some of which like to flaunt some type of "masters degree" (in ... sociology, psychology, crim. justice, whatever...), but absolutely zero street experience, are often the ones to espouse this issue quite loudly, and demand that society should take care of it because it's all our fault. I've seen this shit on LinkedIn criminal justice forums, and these clueless people are truly scary.
.and yet you are on here reading the blog you say you don't care about. Life is short, flip back to u-tube.
I like reading the blog, especially the stupid comments by guys like you, fuckwit. Go back to watching cat videos brainless.
Right on !! This shit will go right next to all the other stuff I'm never using. All these chiefs just keep hopping on the bandwagon for the newest crisis. Feel good bullshit for the guys who never have to handle a call and were promoted after two years.
Why don't we start saving the decent hard working taxpayers!
one word: enabling
Amen to that SCC. Had a brother that was a leech and now his sons are the same way. Two white boys who dropped out of school and are into that ridiculous ghetto rap crap.
They're not using heroin, but their drinking and getting high…….same difference.
I get a laugh because they always have an "emergency" on Saturday nights…….
Idiots.
These junkies have made it so we can't even get decent pain management when legitimately injured or sick. AMA catering to the lowest common denominator.
"These junkies have made it so we can't even get decent pain management when legitimately injured or sick. AMA catering to the lowest common denominator."
3/16/2014 06:12:00 PM
Whole "healthcare" establishment ignoring -- encouraging -- the criminal problems and shooting at sitting ducks instead. Easier.
Doctor? Prescription? Last character wanted a lot of oxycontin rolled to driveup window and said "Fill up the drawer and shove over. I got a bomb in the sto." They did, too.
Official response here --
http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wthr/PDF/WalgreensGFDdocuments.pdf
See what I mean?
There are certain other people who shouldn't be saved from their own demise. Some fat guy having a heart attack, for example, doesn't deserve the time and resources that would be wasted by a paramedic trying to revive his sorry ass. Similarly, why spend the money trying to treat people with "depression" (read: moral weaknesses and character flaws)?
20 ILCS 301/5-23!!! Let's follow the law and our creed to serve and protect! Who knows, it might be catchy to be more regularly seen as lifesavers!
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